Reid, McConnell working on new fiscal-cliff plan

posted at 11:31 am on December 29, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Looks like John Boehner may get his wish.  After his Plan B collapsed, Boehner has insisted that the ball is in the Senate’s court, as the House has already passed legislation that would resolve the fiscal cliff.  The Hill reports that Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell are now working on a plan that they will reveal sometime tomorrow — as the eleventh hour ticks away:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) are working on an agreement to avoid across-the-board tax hikes and plan to show it to colleagues Sunday.

Senate leaders emerged optimistic from a Friday afternoon meeting at the White House with President Obama, Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.). Vice President Biden and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner also attended. …

Both Reid and McConnell sounded hopeful they could craft an agreement over the next 24 to 36 hours, although Reid said he was under no illusion that members of his caucus would accept it without complaint.

“I’m going to do everything I can. I’m confident Sen. McConnell will do the same. But … whatever we come up with is going to be imperfect. Some people aren’t going to like it. Some people will like it less. But that’s where we are,” Reid said.

Reid has scheduled a Democratic caucus meeting for Sunday afternoon to give his colleagues a chance to weigh in on a potential deal.

McConnell said he would do the same.

“We are engaged in discussions — the majority leader and myself and the White House — in the hopes that we can come forward as early as Sunday and have a recommendation that I can make to my conference,” McConnell said. “And so we’ll be working hard to try to see if we can get there in the next 24 hours.”

I’ll guess at the relative terms of the deal.  It will lock in the Bush-era tax rates permanently for those earning below $400,000 — a heady bit of symbolism, as that’s the salary for the President — and allow rates above that to rise to 39.6%.  It will patch the AMT — again — and address the other less-known aspects of the fiscal cliff.  There probably won’t be much done to fix the sequester cuts at all, at least not immediately.  That will end up waiting for the debt-ceiling fight, which will come in a couple of months, unless Democrats are willing to sweeten the pot to get a one-year extension as part of this deal.

If that’s the proposal, will Boehner go for it?  Almost certainly; according to The Hill, he’s agreed in principle to allow an immediate floor vote on any bill the Senate can pass.  If the Senate gets a bill passed purely on Democratic votes, then Boehner will probably instruct his caucus to vote “present” and let Democrats own the results.  If it gets significant Republican support, the House vote will probably flow smoothly enough to allow conservatives worried about primary challenges to oppose it, and have Democrats do the heavy lifting for passage.

If that sounds as if this deal could have been struck weeks ago — or perhaps years ago — well, that just means you’ve been paying attention. Now all sides are worried about the fallout from failure, and anything will look better than nothing to some.  Not to all, of course, and there will be still some substantial effort made on both sides to hold out for total victory, but leadership on both sides have squeezed out all of the painless good will they can from this standoff.  The sooner they get this off the table, the more time they have until the next election for everyone to forget what a joke this turned out to be.

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…hold hands and jump off you senile asse$…!!!

KOOLAID2 on December 29, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Is it wrong that I hope they end it? Thelma and Louise style?

steebo77 on December 29, 2012 at 11:36 AM

…those two should just sit on C-Span in their jockey shorts and reveal themselves to America!

KOOLAID2 on December 29, 2012 at 11:36 AM

they all suck

DanMan on December 29, 2012 at 11:37 AM

This is a bug hunt! Game over man, game over! Why don’t they put Newt in charge? (Not Gingrich, Newt from Aliens) Stay frosty!

50sGuy on December 29, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Just remember – the NY Slimes says the tea party is dying. So those 50 or so GOPers in the House who campaigned on no-new-taxes have nothing to fear if they renege.

In other news, another flock of pigs was spotted today over Madagascar. That brings to four the number of sightings in just the last two months.

platypus on December 29, 2012 at 11:42 AM

Let’s face reality folks. Everything you see from every politician at this point is POLITICAL THEATER, and we’re all getting played like a fiddle. Harry, Barry, and the Democrats want to keep on spending and taxing every available American to keep the status quo. Conservatives are looking for a balanced approach to reform both entitlements and the tax code, but the Dems are having none of that. Some of our liberal friends here are arguing that Bush did his share of spending without raising revenues, and they would be right—but it does not justify today’s pace of federal government spending.

At a one hour meeting yesterday, President Obama tells Harry Reid to come up with a plan that will pass in the Senate and the House—-wink, wink—–and if that won’t work then he wants HIS ORIGINAL PLAN, (raising taxes on everyone above 200k with only 400 billion in government cuts OVER TEN YEARS). Obama knows full well that “his plan” won’t even get out of the Senate. This way O and the Dems (along with their liberal media) can all say Republicans let us all go over the cliff.

To add insult to injury, Obama passes—by executive order—a pay raise Congress, federal workers and Vice President Joe Biden. The pay-raise is really peanuts to the over-all budget, but it’s a slap in the face to all Americans who are struggling to find work or make their monthly bills. Congress can’t find a reasonable way to rein in spending, but by God, (Obama), they’re going to get that pay raise. This is leadership? This is a sign of fiscal responsibility? NO, IT’S ALL POLITICAL THEATER. And we’re all paying a huge price for a seat.

Rovin on December 29, 2012 at 11:45 AM

The new era of new big government. Embrace it.

Mr. Arrogant on December 29, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Is the world upside down? The biggest threat to the economy is the looming debt crisis and this would worsen it.

If Americans want big government, let them pay for big government.

EddieC on December 29, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Speaking of pay raises, I’m convinced that federal pensions are unconstitutional. Don’t ask me to explain it but suffice it to say that the constitution does not authorize payment for no work/service. In other words, when you’re done you’re done. Good bye and go home.

platypus on December 29, 2012 at 11:49 AM

So if 400 thousand is the new “millionaire” how long will it take for that to be 300,200,100, or anyone who has a job?

sandee on December 29, 2012 at 11:51 AM

Ok, work with me on this, because I know it’s a bit complicated, but here’s my proposed plan:

Raise taxes on everyone. Use the money to drill a fault line around the area of DC that includes the three branches of government. Split it off and push it (fully populated by government) into the middle of the Atlantic. Declare our independence from it and make it a separate country. Declare war on it, and drop a nuke on it.

Problem solved.

The Rogue Tomato on December 29, 2012 at 11:55 AM

platypus on December 29, 2012 at 11:49 AM

You don’t seriously believe anybody in the federal government actually cares what the constitution says, do you?

AZCoyote on December 29, 2012 at 11:56 AM

It’ll be a deal, straight from the jump-off-the-cliff book. The can will go over first, then as it hits bottom a few States will follow, dragging the rest along. That is when the real screaming starts. God help us all.

Limerick on December 29, 2012 at 11:58 AM

John “Bonehead” Boehner is a damned Marxist infiltrator he has no intention what so ever of solving the fiscal problems of America, it is all Kabuki Theater to deceive the American People.

Dianne Feinstein wants to violate the US Constitution. Yea, real shocker…

SWalker on December 29, 2012 at 12:00 PM

…why aren’t there Senile Hearings for those two POS ?

KOOLAID2 on December 29, 2012 at 12:00 PM

You don’t seriously believe anybody in the federal government actually cares what the constitution says, do you?

AZCoyote on December 29, 2012 at 11:56 AM

I don’t. IMO, the USA has passed the point of no return. We’re now an oligarchy; a lawless, hopelessly corrupt, banana republic. Sooner or later, the economy is going to collapse and the real hammer is going to fall on us peons. I’m hoping to have found a place to relocate by then, but I’ll probably be stuck here when it happens.

The Rogue Tomato on December 29, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Yay! McConnell is the one who brokered the original deal to give the president all this leverage!!! he’s sooooo!! freakin’ smart!

/

SouthernGent on December 29, 2012 at 12:06 PM

So if 400 thousand is the new “millionaire” how long will it take for that to be 300,200,100, or anyone who has a job?

sandee on December 29, 2012 at 11:51 AM

About six months, give or take.

dogsoldier on December 29, 2012 at 12:08 PM

SENATE NEGOTIATIONS:

McConnell: So, Harry, I propose to…

Reid: NO!

McConnell: But what I’m trying to…

Reid: NO!! NO NO NO!!

McConnell: If you…

Reid: NO!! NONONONONONOO!! *bangs shoe on table*

McConnell: But if…

Reid: ZZZ-ZZIP IT!!

PRESS CONFERENCE:

Reid: It’s the Republicans’ fault. Their stonewalling and obstruction is endangering the country.

cane_loader on December 29, 2012 at 12:15 PM

So if 400 thousand is the new “millionaire” how long will it take for that to be 300,200,100, or anyone who has a job?

sandee on December 29, 2012 at 11:51 AM

About six months weeks, give or take.

dogsoldier on December 29, 2012 at 12:08 PM

…fixed it for you!

KOOLAID2 on December 29, 2012 at 12:16 PM

According to Quin Hillyer at Amspec blog, there is a rumor that the GOP has already caved to no spending cuts. He does caution that it is just a rumor.

Wethal on December 29, 2012 at 12:17 PM

SENATE NEGOTIATIONS:

McConnell: So, Harry, I propose to…

Reid: NO!

McConnell: But what I’m trying to…

Reid: NO!! NO NO NO!!

McConnell: If you…

Reid: NO!! NONONONONONOO!! *bangs shoe on table*

McConnell: But if…

Reid: ZZZ-ZZIP IT!!
McConnell:…oh!…O K !…

PRESS CONFERENCE:

Reid: It’s the Republicans’ fault. Their stonewalling and obstruction is endangering the country.

cane_loader on December 29, 2012 at 12:15 PM

…fixed it for you!

KOOLAID2 on December 29, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Harry Reid reacting to McConnell’s attempt to negotiate:

LINK

cane_loader on December 29, 2012 at 12:22 PM

According to Quin Hillyer at Amspec blog, there is a rumor that the GOP has already caved to no spending cuts. He does caution that it is just a rumor.

Wethal on December 29, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Well Bonehead and Old MacDonald to be sure, whether they can get the required votes in the house is yet to be seen.

SWalker on December 29, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Both of these incompetent DC thieves need to get the pork out of the Sandy relief bill. What a bunch of disgraceful a**holes. Congress makes me sick. These are ALL the boobs who have ignored our problems for years because of ideology. Both of these duplicitous bast*rds need to be tarred and feathered and run out on a rail…. God save us from our “representatives”.

ultracon on December 29, 2012 at 12:27 PM

Reid, McConnell working on new fiscal-cliff plan

Thank goodness……nothing to worry about now. d/

tencole on December 29, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Cap and Trade, U.N’s Millenium which removes all hand guns from earth among other things will be put into this bill.

I have a feeling

Philo Beddoe on December 29, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Well Bonehead and Old MacDonald to be sure, whether they can get the required votes in the house is yet to be seen.

SWalker on December 29, 2012 at 12:24 PM

…even if we had won the Senate in November…we wouldn’t have… WON the Senate!…wouldn’t have been a dime of difference!

KOOLAID2 on December 29, 2012 at 12:30 PM

According to Quin Hillyer at Amspec blog, there is a rumor that the GOP has already caved to no spending cuts. He does caution that it is just a rumor.

Wethal on December 29, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Maybe the GOP caucus wants to “let it burn”? Run against the Democrats posting continuous trillion dollar deficits in 2014 and 2016.

WashJeff on December 29, 2012 at 12:32 PM

If Americans want big government, let them pay for big government.

It’s already way too big to actually be paid for. They’ve already spent more money than there is. And it wasn’t their money in the first place!

We cannot afford “big government,” either financially or morally.

Steve Stoddard on December 29, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Ramirez on bho and the cliff. Great as usual.

http://www.investors.com/editorial-cartoons/michael-ramirez/638802
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letget on December 29, 2012 at 12:36 PM

…you know how they say that couples who are in love…and over a lengthy span of time…start looking like each other?
…tighten up McConnell’s 3 chins…new glasses…and there you have… Mrs. Harry Reid!

KOOLAID2 on December 29, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Every single dollar plus that is raised by this bill will also be spent by this bill, and not for reduction. Why is that so hard for people to get? Washington is a flim-flam and yet the peeps sign the contract every single time. Isn’t that the definition of insanity? America is a looneybin.

Limerick on December 29, 2012 at 12:39 PM

I am comforted, yes I am….

PersonFromPorlock on December 29, 2012 at 12:47 PM

This is disgusting to me: Increased taxes for some, a win for class-warfare proponents, and no immediate and real spending cuts.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 29, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Don’t think it’ll happen. Reid is too much of a partisan, more than Obama or Pelosi. Over the cliff we go.

tommy71 on December 29, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Reid: NO!! NONONONONONOO!! *bangs shoe on table*

PRESS CONFERENCE:

Reid: Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you! Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you: “The proletariat is the undertaker of capitalism.”

cane_loader on December 29, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Translated Marxist code words for dim (but I repeat myself) Obama voters …

ShainS on December 29, 2012 at 12:51 PM

If Boehner and McConnell can just find the spine to let the present bipartisan deal stay in place, we get spending reductions and a tax-increase caused recession. The Democrats will be blamed by the voters for the recession and the GOP will get credit for the spending cuts. No deal is necessary and no deal will help us, since the baked-in ObamaCare tax increases are going to put us into recession no matter what. Any deal will make us complicit in that recession. Let it burn!

MTF on December 29, 2012 at 12:51 PM

That will end up waiting for the debt-ceiling fight, which will come in a couple of months, unless Democrats are willing to sweeten the pot to get a one-year extension as part of this deal.

I think the debt ceiling fight will be much sooner than a couple of months. Geithner announced that we will reach the debt limit on 12/31/2012.

IMO, the repubs should die on the debt ceiling hill. Shut off the spigots. Take the heat and do what is right.

HalSandro on December 29, 2012 at 12:57 PM

The ultimate irony would be if the so-called ‘truecons’ vote for this crappy deal. They shut down PlanB, and they’ll vote for this $400,000 crappy deal? Nah, they’ll give themselves cover by letting the House dems do the heavy lifting. Real hypocrisy! I’d really like to see their ‘Conservative Principles’ at work. Lol

tommy71 on December 29, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Why do we need a deal? I can’t believe any new deal is going to be better than the current deal in effect. Any new deal is bound to do less to restrain the government and will simply kick the can further down the road. My proposal is let the Clinton tax hikes return and cut spending 40% across the board. Anything else is playing with the deck chairs.

Over50 on December 29, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Read Avik Roy from the headlines section: he makes another great argument for going over the cliff.

MTF on December 29, 2012 at 1:02 PM

The word among some Senate Republicans is that a fiscal cliff deal is likely to be struck by Sunday, or Monday at the latest. (And Monday, being December 31st, is in fact the latest a deal could be struck to avoid January 1 tax increases.) Those Senate Republicans hope the final deal will make permanent current tax levels — Bush tax cut levels — for everyone who makes below $500,000.

The $500,000 figure is not set in stone. It could be $400,000, as President Obama is reportedly willing to agree to, or it could be higher, as some Senate Democrats have suggested in the past. But it will be more than the $250,000 that is the president’s current position. In addition, big spending cuts, the sequestration cuts scheduled to go into effect in the new year, would not be affected and would go forward as planned.

If such a deal is made, it would mean that many Republicans would be backing off their longstanding position against raising taxes on anyone, including top earners. Some Republicans are dead set against changing their stand. Some Republicans would be open to the change, but would only want to give up their position in return for serious spending concessions from the administration. And some Republicans would be open to giving in on top-earner tax rates in order to get a deal done now, and worry about spending later.

It appears that it is the last group, working with Democrats and the White House, that will prevail. Under the most likely scenario, Republicans will get nothing — nothing — in return for giving in on tax rates for the highest-income Americans. No spending cuts, at least no serious spending cuts beyond what are already included in sequestration, would be part of the deal done on Sunday or Monday, if that is indeed what happens.

Instead, Republicans will tout their accomplishment in making nearly all of the Bush tax cuts permanent. Those cuts were always temporary, first in a ten-year form that expired in 2011, and then with a two-year extension. Now, in a fiscal cliff deal, they would be permanent for those who make less than $500,000 a year. Or at least as permanent as any tax rate can be; rates can always be changed by Congress, at any time.

As for spending cuts, particularly in entitlements, some Senate Republicans say they will press for those in January or February, during the coming battle over raising the nation’s debt ceiling. They believe that fight will give them leverage to extract real concessions from the White House and Democrats on spending. It’s not entirely clear why they believe that so strongly; Republicans will certainly take a beating in the press if they appear ready to push the nation toward default to win unpopular cuts. Nevertheless, some in the GOP are readying themselves for that fight.

As for the immediate fiscal cliff agreement, the wild card is what will happen in the House of Representatives. Facing opposition from some conservative members, Speaker John Boehner has already had to back off pushing for a vote on a measure (“Plan B”) to extend current tax rates on all Americans who make less than $1 million. Given that, how could he pass a bill that would do the same thing, only for those who make less than $500,000?

There are two things to remember. The first is that Boehner had a big majority of Republican support for Plan B. An estimated 80 percent to 85 percent of the House GOP caucus was ready to vote for that bill. The second thing is that a Senate deal, presumably blessed by the White House, would have the support of Democrats as well as a significant number of Republicans, meaning House Democrats would undoubtedly vote for it. Put those Democrats together with even some of the Republicans who were prepared to vote for Plan B, and a bill would pass the House.

So a deal will most likely be done. But the bottom line is that the fiscal cliff fight will not end happily for Republicans. They will have given in on what was an article of faith — that taxes should not be raised on anybody, poor or rich — in return for essentially nothing. All they will have is a plan to fight again, soon.

Byron York at the Examiner on the GOP cave!!!!!!!

Wethal on December 29, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Onus? Typo? ANUS!?

Marco on December 29, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Read Avik Roy from the headlines section: he makes another great argument for going over the cliff.

MTF on December 29, 2012 at 1:02 PM

I did as you suggested, and you are correct.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 29, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Ok, work with me on this, because I know it’s a bit complicated, but here’s my proposed plan:

Raise taxes on everyone. Use the money to drill a fault line around the area of DC that includes the three branches of government. Split it off and push it (fully populated by government) into the middle of the Atlantic. Declare our independence from it and make it a separate country. Declare war on it, and drop a nuke on it.

Problem solved.

The Rogue Tomato on December 29, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Oh, h*** yes! The only thing I could add is that if we have the capability of doing this; do so along the eastern borders of the 3 West Coast states, and along the amended US-Mexican border. No nukes needed. Might need to work a quiet deal with the government of Canada to help them drill along the Washington State-Canada border. Or not, if they are willing to absorb them.

Just remember – the NY Slimes says the tea party is dying. So those 50 or so GOPers in the House who campaigned on no-new-taxes have nothing to fear if they renege.

platypus on December 29, 2012 at 11:42 AM

And if any stand fast, they may become the core of a new Party that is not subservient to the Democrats. That party may not win many elections [as if Institutional Republicans winning the odd election seriously discommodes the Left's seizure of power]; but it can be the non-electoral nucleus of a resistance to that seizure.

Yay! McConnell is the one who brokered the original deal to give the president all this leverage!!! he’s sooooo!! freakin’ smart!

/

SouthernGent on December 29, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Boehner is getting too much heat, and may actually get some resistance to being reinstalled as the House collaborator-in-chief if the deal has his name on it. So McConnell is stepping in to sign the surrender because it is his turn.

Subotai Bahadur on December 29, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Let it burn… Obama owns it… let him have it all…

Khun Joe on December 29, 2012 at 1:26 PM

If it’s unconstitutional and unfair to raise taxes on one group of individuals in France, wouldn’t that be true here as well?

scalleywag on December 29, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Oh, h*** yes! The only thing I could add is that if we have the capability of doing this; do so along the eastern borders of the 3 West Coast states, and along the amended US-Mexican border. No nukes needed. Might need to work a quiet deal with the government of Canada to help them drill along the Washington State-Canada border. Or not, if they are willing to absorb them.

[snip]

Subotai Bahadur on December 29, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Alernate solution:

Formally cede California, Arizona and New Mexico to Mexico.

Then declare war on Mexico due to repeated invasions of America and Mexican nationals killing Americans on the street every day.

Seize Mexico and rule it.

cane_loader on December 29, 2012 at 1:27 PM

BTW, yes still tow D.C out to sea and nuke it.

cane_loader on December 29, 2012 at 1:28 PM

/
/

obviously, I guess

cane_loader on December 29, 2012 at 1:29 PM

DO NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS OR DEMOCRATS!!

YOU CANNOT NEGOTITATE WITH SOMEONE WHO SAYS:

“WHAT’S MINE IS MINE AND WHAT’S YOUR IS NEGOTIABLE”!!

AGREE TO VOTE DOWN WHATEVER THEY COME UP WITH!!!!!!!!!!

williamg on December 29, 2012 at 1:32 PM

McConnell & Boehner should refuse to pass anything until Reid, Pelosi & 0bama call a press conference and perform Gangnam Style.

Then they should renege and still refuse.

Make then own it.

LET. IT. BURN.

cane_loader on December 29, 2012 at 1:41 PM

About the only thing the GOP can do now to retain any respect I have left is to cut a deal, then renege and open the trap door under these baztards.

cane_loader on December 29, 2012 at 1:42 PM

I still think that the House should re-pass the Ryan budget, send it to the Senate, and then go home.

cane_loader on December 29, 2012 at 1:43 PM

If that’s the proposal, will Boehner go for it? Almost certainly; according to The Hill, he’s agreed in principle to allow an immediate floor vote on any bill the Senate can pass.

LMFAO!

Do fish swim?
Does a bear sh!t in the woods?
Is feckless, unprincipled, RINO-leadership killing the GOP?

Winner of the most obvious question of the year award!

Tim_CA on December 29, 2012 at 1:45 PM

Winner of the most obvious question of the year award!

Tim_CA on December 29, 2012 at 1:45 PM

I don’t understand why turnabout isn’t fair play.

The House should vote DOWN any Reid bill – smash it back over the net by repassing the Ryan budget.

cane_loader on December 29, 2012 at 1:47 PM

I don’t understand why turnabout isn’t fair play.

The House should vote DOWN any Reid bill – smash it back over the net by repassing the Ryan budget.

cane_loader on December 29, 2012 at 1:47 PM

That would take a lucid conservative speaker with b@lls, the ability to effectively communicate EXACTLY what he’s doing and why, and the conviction to draw a line in the sand and stick to it.

We get none of that with boner.

Tim_CA on December 29, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Read Avik Roy from the headlines section: he makes another great argument for going over the cliff.

MTF on December 29, 2012 at 1:02 PM

This message cannot be repeated enough times.

There should be no “bipartisan” GOP fingers attached to any “deal” pushed by Obysmal, Reid, Pelosi, McConnell, or Boehner. Period.

Then everybody pays for BIG GOVERNMENT, and well will see how much skin that they want in the game.

onlineanalyst on December 29, 2012 at 2:00 PM

Detest Reid and McConnell equally, on topic and on this.

Schadenfreude on December 29, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Gd all of them, Boehner, Reid, McConnell.

The land needs a leader, just one good one, alas.

There are only eunuchs in the land and in DC.

Enjoy the royal flukeing. I hope it’s very painfull for all who brung these fools. They will live it up and you will pay.

Schadenfreude on December 29, 2012 at 2:10 PM

On twitter:

[John Harwood ‏@JohnJHarwood
Uh-oh...asked how deal negotiations are coming along today, Senate Dem aide says: "Not"]

GCM on December 29, 2012 at 2:24 PM

God, please take Reid and McConnell into a creche, in Depends, give them lots of toys. Let them scroom with each other instead of scrooming the entire once good land.

Schadenfreude on December 29, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Opa Gangnam Styre!

cane_loader on December 29, 2012 at 3:00 PM

An article by Avik Roy, which one commenter helpfully linked to yesterday, should be considered a MUST-READ for all our inept and politically-unsavvy leaders. He makes a very strong case for going over the cliff and refusing to pass a subsequent tax cut bill for anyone… at least without any serious spending cuts.

Link: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/336568/dont-drink-inside-beltway-fiscal-cliff-kool-aid-avik-roy

The key excerpt:

The most common conservative rejoinder to these arguments is political: that Republicans will be blamed if we go over the cliff, and that will cost them in the next election. I don’t agree with that argument, as I’ve written previously, for two reasons:

(1) the next election is as far away as an election can be;

(2) Republicans will never be able to build a political case for less spending if most Americans are insulated from the cost of that spending.

Let…it…burn!!!

TheRightMan on December 29, 2012 at 3:58 PM

If it gets significant Republican support, the House vote will probably flow smoothly enough to allow conservatives worried about primary challenges to oppose it, and have Democrats do the heavy lifting for passage.

Guess you think voters are really STUPID.

The GOP Leadership is really STUPID.

But not the voters. They will see this exactly for what it is total abandonment of Republican principals. They will punish those that allow this travesty.

Steveangell on December 29, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Let…it…burn!!!

TheRightMan on December 29, 2012 at 3:58 PM

We have reached a point of Felliniesque absurdity… at which none of our representatives will listen to us… the ruling class raises their pay. No onw knows what their taxes will be … the nation stuck in a morass as the president parties with Led Zeppelin and Jay-Z…

Shades of Paris, 1789.

I have nothing left to do but to resort to absurdity each time once of these traitors speaks:

Instead of “Let. It. Burn.,”
the watchword today is:


OPA GANGNAM STYRE!

cane_loader on December 29, 2012 at 4:11 PM

But not the voters. They will see this exactly for what it is total abandonment of Republican principals. They will punish those that allow this travesty.

Steveangell on December 29, 2012 at 4:00 PM

No… sadly.

the voters have tuned out.

They are too busy with Facebook and texting while driving.

Nothing will reach them except personal pain and an empty wallet.

Let. It. Burn.

Opa Gangnam Styre!

cane_loader on December 29, 2012 at 4:13 PM

What with te “Onus” remark?

Firstly, it’s spelled with an “A” not an “O” and since it’s two of them it’s plural with an “es” at the end.

TeaPartyNation on December 29, 2012 at 4:51 PM

I can’t look at a picture of Mitch McConnell any more without noticing his resemblance to this guy.

Without the glasses, of course.

Emperor Norton on December 29, 2012 at 5:07 PM

The reason these negotiations are held behind closed doors is so afterwards both sides can come out and blame each other. Put these negotiations on C-Span and let the taxpayers see for themselves just who is playing politics instead of looking out for the welfare of the country. Now comes the new joke, McConnell and Reid trying to straighten things out. The screwing of the American people knows no end. Career politicians are the scourge of our country.

savage24 on December 29, 2012 at 6:24 PM

The fiscal cliff is not the only thing the Senators are working on.

You’re going to hear a lot about the filibuster this week, but you won’t hear much about the real issue at the heart of this debate. The calls for filibuster reform are driven by one sad, yet undeniable truth: Senators love to hide the laws they pass.

The desire to hide their legislation is also why a new filibuster reform proposal was announced yesterday that will:

1.Shorten the time a bill is debated down to just two days; and

2.Eliminate all but two Republican amendments per bill.

You see, the plan only guarantees two Republican amendments and those amendments can only be offered by the Republican Leader and the top Republican on the committee with jurisdiction of the bill. This protects senior lawmakers, but it means a freshman like Ted Cruz (R-TX) won’t be allowed to offer his ideas.
And it’s not just the Democrats who want to make it easier to pass liberal legislation; many Republicans do too. In fact, the new filibuster reform plan is backed by U.S. Senator John McCain (R-AZ) and will likely attract support from other establishment Republicans.
http://www.senateconservatives.com/site/post/1698/senators-love-to-hide

bluefox on December 29, 2012 at 6:52 PM

And it’s not just the Democrats who want to make it easier to pass liberal legislation; many Republicans do too. In fact, the new filibuster reform plan is backed by U.S. Senator John McCain (R-AZ) and will likely attract support from other establishment Republicans.
http://www.senateconservatives.com/site/post/1698/senators-love-to-hide

bluefox on December 29, 2012 at 6:52 PM

…it’s going to become…US…and THEM!

KOOLAID2 on December 29, 2012 at 9:18 PM

I’ve already discounted the tax hikes . . . so now those moronic politicians can direct their self serving, destructive behavior in some other direction. Doesn’t it make you proud to be an American?

rplat on December 30, 2012 at 8:14 AM