Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on December 29, 2012 by Allahpundit

New Yorkers of all income levels got a rude awakening yesterday when they saw in The Post how much more they will pay in taxes next year without a fiscal-cliff deal by Jan. 1.

“It’s that much higher?” asked IT worker Vikas Kataria, 34, who discovered that his combined household income of about $250,000 per year will cost him nearly $10,000 more in taxes.

“I thought it was a couple thousand — but that’s a lot,” said Kataria, who works at Merrill Lynch in Manhattan and is married to a systems analyst for a brokerage firm. “That’s huge!”…

“What am I supposed to do, work harder?” Hagon said. “I don’t want to find myself in front of my store dead with a heart attack!”

***

Whether or not a Senate deal can be reached is anyone’s guess, though it seems unlikely considering all the false starts that have characterized negotiations up to this point. Whether McConnell would allow for an up-or-down vote on a Democratic-authored bill is even less certain. On Friday evening, Reid’s office announced that it was preparing such a bill for a Monday vote as a contingency plan…

[A White House] official argued that any final deal that emerged from the Senate would have to be crafted with an eye toward garnering Democratic support in the House. Reid, after all, wouldn’t sign off on a bill that set the threshold for tax hikes too high. And since Boehner’s failed “Plan B” proposal showed he was unable to pass legislation raising rates only on millionaires, Democratic votes in both chambers would be needed.

“Whatever McConnell and Reid cook up is something that Nancy Pelosi has to support,” the official said. “The Minority Leader will have a powerful role in these discussions.”

***

The last-minute tax and spending deal being discussed in the Senate would do little to reduce the deficit, and could actually expand it, leaving difficult choices about Medicare, Social Security, and the country’s borrowing limit until next year…

This weekend, with talks moving closer to the deadline, the only item being discussed that would reduce the deficit is a White House proposal to let the Bush-era tax cuts expire for upper-income households. White House officials believe raising tax rates on income above $250,000, combined with changes in capital-gains, dividend, and estate-tax rules, would raise roughly $950 billion over 10 years, a level that is short of their $1.2 trillion goal. That means the White House is likely to try and pursue more tax increases as part of any subsequent budget debate in 2013…

The other items being discussed as part of the slimmed-down package would cost the government. One would extend emergency unemployment benefits for one year, at a cost of roughly $30 billion. Another would prevent Medicare payments to doctors from being cut close to 27%. This change would cost another $10 billion, according to estimates.

***

The big-ticket item hanging over the Reid-McConnell talks will be the income level at which taxes can rise. Boehner failed to win sufficient GOP support for a plan to increase taxes for income over $1 million, and Obama has previously upped his offer from $250,000 to $400,000. McConnell and Reid are also trying to agree on the level to set taxes on estates that are transferred after the death of an owner.

At the meeting, Boehner made clear any efforts to eliminate pending cuts to defense and domestic programs — about $109 billion next year — must be replaced by spending cuts to other programs. Republicans later said it appeared that the so-called sequester would not be addressed in a final agreement. A final deal appears unlikely to include an increase of the $16.4 trillion national debt limit, which will be reached on Monday, meaning that Congress will almost certainly renew the battle over taxes and spending immediately in the new year.

***

Multiple GOP lawmakers indicated that their goal now is to get through the fiscal cliff standoff one way or another, at which point Republicans can regroup and focus their efforts on extracting concessions from the White House in exchange for a debt-limit boost.

“Give the president whatever he wants [on taxes],” Grassley said hypothetically. “All it covers is somewhere between eight and 12 percent of the $1.1 trillion deficit.

“When you get beyond this fiscal cliff deal, the public starts looking at what we’re trying to do to cut down on spending as opposed to increasing taxes, that strengthens our hand,” he added.

A House GOP aide said the debt limit provides a “natural venue” for Republicans to continue to push for preferred fiscal policies, once the fiscal cliff is in the rearview mirror.

***

“A top Obama administration official” told The Huffington Post that “they don’t view an unresolved debt ceiling fight as too generous a concession because, as a matter of principle, the president will not negotiate with Republicans over raising it down the road.”…

If Obama drops the debt ceiling demand, he’s setting the stage for another round of budget talks in late February, during which the GOP will demand long-term spending reforms in exchange for an immediate increase in the debt ceiling.

***

A pair of GOP senators, confident Congress will head off the tax hikes set to kick in within days, are already turning their attention to entitlements and the debt ceiling.

Tennessee Sens. Bob Corker and Lamar Alexander pitched a plan on Friday to cut federal spending by $1 trillion — much of it from Medicare — in exchange for increasing the nation’s borrowing limit by that amount. The plan would raise the Medicare eligibly age to 67 and require wealthier Medicare users to pay higher premiums. Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner has estimated extraordinary measures can push the necessity of Congress addressing the debt ceiling until perhaps February.

“Here we are on Dec. 29 without a serious proposal before us to deal with the biggest issue, which is entitlements,” Corker said. “There’s been a lot of discussions about figuring out a way to deal with the … revenue side and at least getting that portion out of the way. Since we know it’s going to happen either before the 31st or after.”

***

Cliff-jumping also would mean that instead of spending the early weeks of January laying out big plans for a second-term agenda, Obama and his staff will be bogged down with negotiations over the myriad issues wrapped up in the cliff, including everything from the tax cuts and across-the-board spending cuts to the alternative minimum tax and the “doc fix,” the formula under which physicians receive reimbursement for treating Medicare patients. In the White House’s preferred scenario, a deal addressing key elements of the fiscal cliff would have been clinched by the end of this year and that could have been used to tee up negotiations in 2013 over a grand bargain on the budget. Obama has set a goal of reaching a long-term budget deal by the first half of next year and hopes to notch up an agreement as part of his legacy.

Not only will the grand-bargain discussions need to await an eventual resolution of the fiscal cliff, but other items on Obama’s second-term agenda risk getting pushed to the back burner, too, including gun control and immigration.

***

“I think everyone is trying to look busy, so when we go over, they can say, well, we tried,” Brooks said. “He came back from Hawaii. He had to do something. And so they had a meeting. If you don’t have new offers, you are not really making progress. You could have a nice frank exchange, but they are in the business of making a deal. And there is really, as far as we know, no real evidence that they moved. So I remain convinced, as I have been, that we are probably going to go over.”

***

Under the most likely scenario, Republicans will get nothing — nothing — in return for giving in on tax rates for the highest-income Americans. No spending cuts, at least no serious spending cuts beyond what are already included in sequestration, would be part of the deal done on Sunday or Monday, if that is indeed what happens…

As for spending cuts, particularly in entitlements, some Senate Republicans say they will press for those in January or February, during the coming battle over raising the nation’s debt ceiling. They believe that fight will give them leverage to extract real concessions from the White House and Democrats on spending. It’s not entirely clear why they believe that so strongly; Republicans will certainly take a beating in the press if they appear ready to push the nation toward default to win unpopular cuts. Nevertheless, some in the GOP are readying themselves for that fight…

So a deal will most likely be done. But the bottom line is that the fiscal cliff fight will not end happily for Republicans. They will have given in on what was an article of faith — that taxes should not be raised on anybody, poor or rich — in return for essentially nothing. All they will have is a plan to fight again, soon.

***

It’s difficult to find a Republican operative who is willing to say on the record that going over the fiscal cliff next Tuesday is a good idea. Provoking a crisis is bad politics: Republicans are resigned to taking the blame. And it’s bad for their policy agenda: They will likely be cornered into a broader tax hike than the best deal they could get from President Barack Obama today, and with none of the spending cuts that might now be on the table.

And yet, the dominant emotion among most Republicans here is one of sheer resignation.

“It’s a shit show,” one prominent Republican told BuzzFeed of the GOP’s messaging position. “Tax rates are going to go up on everyone, and we’re going to get the blame.”

***

Congress can prevent it from happening, if they act now. Leaders in Congress are working on a way to prevent this tax hike on the middle class, and I believe we may be able to reach an agreement that can pass both houses in time.

But if an agreement isn’t reached in time, then I’ll urge the Senate to hold an up-or-down vote on a basic package that protects the middle class from an income tax hike, extends vital unemployment insurance for Americans looking for a job, and lays the groundwork for future progress on more economic growth and deficit reduction.

I believe such a proposal could pass both houses with bipartisan majorities – as long as these leaders allow it to come to a vote.

***

The Republican-controlled House has taken a step in the right direction. The House has already passed bills to protect all Americans from burdensome tax increases. In addition, they’ve passed legislation to replace damaging across-the-board spending cuts with responsible targeted ones, and to bring our nation’s record debt under control. But instead of working across the aisle and considering the House-passed plan to protect taxpayers, Senate Democrats have spent months drawing partisan lines in the sand.

The President’s proposal to raise taxes on the top 2 percent of Americans won’t even pay one-third of the annual interest that’s now owed on this massive $16 trillion debt. In fact, the President’s tax hike would only fund the government for eight days. Americans deserve to know: What does the President propose we do for the other 357 days of the year?


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But…but…they said they were the smartest people in the room.

Huh.

Solaratov on December 29, 2012 at 9:15 PM

They were when Pelosi locked out the Republicans – remember that?

News2Use on December 29, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Too bad Texas won’t be so happy tomorrow when Washington whips them Boys…………..

Rovin on December 29, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Okay . . . . . now for TCU and Michigan State
.
A person just can’t get “too much” NCAA football.

listens2glenn on December 29, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Spread the pain equally for all to enjoy.

Bmore on December 29, 2012 at 8:41 PM

people voted for bigger gov’t and free stuff … show exactly how much
it is going to cost em ….

conservative tarheel on December 29, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Here’s some good news, for a change. Piers Morgan wants to deport himself. Don’t let it hit you.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2254758/Deport-If-America-wont-change-crazy-gun-laws–I-deport-says-Piers-Morgan.html

Philly on December 29, 2012 at 10:25 PM

New Yorkers of all income levels got a rude awakening yesterday when they saw in The Post how much more they will pay in taxes next year without a fiscal-cliff deal by Jan. 1.

“It’s that much higher?” asked IT worker Vikas Kataria, 34, who discovered that his combined household income of about $250,000 per year will cost him nearly $10,000 more in taxes.

nelson

kim roy on December 29, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Philly on December 29, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Oh yes !! yet another reason not to change anything …

conservative tarheel on December 29, 2012 at 10:28 PM

New Petition Calls For Sen. Feinstein To Be Tried For Treason For Attack On Second Amendment
http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/new-petition-calls-sen-feinstein-be-tried-treason-attack-second

A new petition posted on the “We the People” page of the White House website calls for trying Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif) in federal court for treason.

It reads:

WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO:
Try Senator Dianne Feinstein in a Federal Court For Treason To The Constitution

The text of the petition states:

“The Constitution was written to restrain the government. No amendment is more important for this purpose than the 2nd amendment. The 2nd amendment was written so the power could be kept with the citizenry in the face of a tyrannical government. It was well understood the Constitution acknowledged certain rights that could not be limited by government.

Senator Dianne Feinstein has made it clear she does not believe in the Constitution or the inalienable rights of Americans to keep and bear arms. She is actively working to destroy the 2nd amendment with her 2013 assault weapons ban. For this reason we the people of the united States petition for her to be tried in Federal Court for treason to the Constitution.”

Southern by choice22 on December 29, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Philly on December 29, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Is it possible to go all of the way back to the UK by way of Waaaaahmbulance?

Gingotts on December 29, 2012 at 10:28 PM

I am just thankful the R’s have our backs./

Bmore on December 29, 2012 at 10:29 PM

I am just thankful the R’s have our backs./

Bmore on December 29, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Absolutely!

KCB on December 29, 2012 at 10:30 PM

In that ‘preacher voice of his’ ala Rev. W,

I guess those chickennnnnnns are comin’ home to roost !

jersey taxpayer on December 29, 2012 at 10:30 PM

What is the real “fiscal cliff”? It’s got NOTHING to do with taxes. The REAL “fiscal cliff” is a story of the joke “growth” in the American Socialist Superstate’s economy for the last 4 years, during which we have borrowed and spent upwards of 8% of GDP every single year in order to turn around and crow about less than 2% “growth” in GDP each year.

Imagine that. We borrow and spend 8 dollars in order to claim that our economy grew by 2 dollars. What sort of a brin-dead idiot would ever accept such lunacy? Well … the same lunatics who voted the Indonesian Dog-Eating Retard in for a second illegitimate term and the same lunatics who are behind this stellar policy of calling borrowed money “economic growth”. If you tried to do this at home you’d be thrown in the loony bin, if not jail. This is the real fiscal cliff – the fact that the core US economy has been shrinking every year but that it’s been laughably papered over with printed dollars and borrowed bills. What’s the multiplier on this, BTW – borrow and spend $1.2 trillion in order to claim revenue growth (GDP) of $300 billion. LOL.

The sooner we end this charade the better the chance this nation has of actually recovering from it, but if we keep putting it off (“borrow and spend another $1.4 trillion next year, dammit!!”) then we risk going over the real cliff and having a truly broken and irreparable monetary system. That is the real problem. But all we hear from the Indonesian Dog-Eating scum and his junta are tax, tax, tax …

Of course, this nation certainly deserves whatever’s coming to it if it even treats any ideas seriously coming out of the head of a retard who doesn’t know what P/E ratios are – heck, he doesn’t even know what ratios are, in general – has the mathematical sophistication of a slow 8th grader, can’t even do basic manipulations with fractions and percentages, and has a less than stellar record with basic English, to boot. Barky is a stone-cold idiot who I wouldn’t let tutor a 4th grader. I laugh every time someone acts as if that moron has any clue what the hell he’s talking about. A friggin 84 IQ affirmative action slug with a chip on his shoulder about the West. Friggin great …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 29, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Southern by choice22 on December 29, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Lots of walls to be put into use. Let’s pray this moves forward hastily.

tom daschle concerned on December 29, 2012 at 10:32 PM

To Obama

-FloatingRock

FloatingRock on December 29, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Somebody posted this article: the other day, and I can’t personally vouch for the veracity of any of it. It’s been worrying the beejeebus out of me.

But coincidentally, the next night I had a long and unexpected conversation with a high-ranking active-duty army officer I met (he was just in town visiting an old friend of mine) who’s currently working in DC as a political advisor. Having just read that article I had a lot of questions for him. Based on that conversation, (and this guy is in a position to know alot more than he could say to me) – I can’t refute much of what that the article is asserting – pretty much everything he said bolstered the article’s assertions, and even went beyond.

He said what worries him most at this point, is the fact that we now have the infrastructure in place for the most invasive police control state imaginable, that would make Lenin drool with envy. He’s operated electronic surveillance equipment in the sandbox that would be illegal to even plug in here, and armed drones are proliferating at all levels of law enforcement all over America – while DHS and TSA are the scariest part of it.

I know that as a permitted gun owner and ccw holder I am already on numerous lists, but this game is changing fast. I’ve been convinced for quite some time that the dollar is going to vaporize virtually overnight, but now it seems it’s going to be forced to happen far sooner than we all think. Spring, 2013? Just look at how Obama doesn’t seem to give a sh!t about what’s happening in congress – he knows that soon, it won’t matter. He’s just going through the motions now. I’m girding as fast as possible.

Harbingeing on December 29, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Southern by choice22 on December 29, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Lots of walls to be put into use. Let’s pray this moves forward hastily.

tom daschle concerned on December 29, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Yup.

Southern by choice22 on December 29, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Bo’s face looks a little ruff. Your face gives away your soul.

Hummer53 on December 29, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Harbingeing on December 29, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Your link is bad.

FloatingRock on December 29, 2012 at 10:44 PM

L.i.B.

davidk on December 29, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Howdy, y’all!

annoyinglittletwerp on December 29, 2012 at 10:46 PM

GOPe

“It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.”~Dr. Thomas Sowell

davidk on December 29, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Howdy, y’all!

annoyinglittletwerp on December 29, 2012 at 10:46 PM

Yo…

Electrongod on December 29, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Oh for heaven’s sake. That comment went into moderation>?

tom daschle concerned on December 29, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Interesting times, wouldn’t you say…?

… Obowma is arming the Caliphate in the Middle East, Japan and China are about to go at it, our Ambassadors and citizens are abandoned and slaughtered and no one bats an eye, legislation is signed giving the government the power to arrest us without cause indefinately, our economy is about to collapse under the weight of Trillions of dollars of debt, the Senate hasn’t passed a budget in over three years but the House gets the blame, Obowmacare taxes and regulation strangulation is going to kill small businesses, Hillary has a headache, and Obowma has just been re-elected and now can fully take off the mask.

Good bye 2012, we hardly knew ye…

Seven Percent Solution on December 29, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Yo…

Electrongod on December 29, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Word…

annoyinglittletwerp on December 29, 2012 at 10:50 PM

“Resolved, that the several States composing the United States of America, are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to their general government . . . whensoever the general government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force.”~Thomas Jefferson, /Draft Kentucky Resolutions/ [1798]

davidk on December 29, 2012 at 10:51 PM

To Obama

-FloatingRock

FloatingRock on December 29, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Another one to Obama:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atBg9zLI2bA

Night Owl on December 29, 2012 at 10:52 PM

“[G]overnment, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without government, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.”~Thomas Paine [Emphasis added]

davidk on December 29, 2012 at 10:56 PM

We’re not sure how we’re going to deal with an extra $600-$700 per month in taxed plus healthcare costs rising for ourselves and our business. We’ve already cut pretty deeply in anticipation of things to come. We employee 12 people. We care about them and their families. My husband cant sleep at night. If we need to go down so be it but I blame both parties. Looking busy so people will think your doing something is just pathetic. My 10 year old is more mature.

ldbgcoleman on December 29, 2012 at 10:58 PM

There will be a deal.

Boehner, Reid, and Barky will have a 3 way in the Lincoln Bedroom and emerge looking proud and satisfied.

The lifeless and horrifically violated cadaver of the American taxpayer (and his entire family) will be quietly removed by corpse-men.

CorporatePiggy on December 29, 2012 at 10:58 PM

MSU is not looking good so far (:-<)

KOOLAID2 on December 29, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Word…

annoyinglittletwerp on December 29, 2012 at 10:50 PM

:)

Electrongod on December 29, 2012 at 11:01 PM

“They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a…guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power….millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations; and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains…! The war is inevitable²and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come. It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace²but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”

– Patrick Henry, ‘Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death’

Night Owl on December 29, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Well,ahem…(sarc),I guess its time for my Southern Patriots to
dust this off!

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canopfor on December 5, 2012 at 5:54 AM

canopfor on December 29, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Interesting times, wouldn’t you say…?

… Obowma is arming the Caliphate in the Middle East, Japan and China are about to go at it, our Ambassadors and citizens are abandoned and slaughtered and no one bats an eye, legislation is signed giving the government the power to arrest us without cause indefinately, our economy is about to collapse under the weight of Trillions of dollars of debt, the Senate hasn’t passed a budget in over three years but the House gets the blame, Obowmacare taxes and regulation strangulation is going to kill small businesses, Hillary has a headache, and Obowma has just been re-elected and now can fully take off the mask.

Good bye 2012, we hardly knew ye…

Seven Percent Solution on December 29, 2012 at 10:50 PM

…and what is the media doing?

KOOLAID2 on December 29, 2012 at 11:05 PM

MeanWhile,talk about hitting the Cliff(I’m Kidding)

Video of Moscow plane crash as seen from highway where plane crash-landed; at least 4 dead in crash – via wwwm24ru YouTube channel

4 hours ago from http://www.youtube.com by editor
==============================================

Published on Dec 29, 2012

Вашему вниманию предлагаются эксклюзивные кадры момента аварии Ту-204 в аэропорту Внуково. Кадры сняты очевидцем, чью машину зацепил самолет, выкатившийся на Киевское шоссе.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zaqi5DwCYE

canopfor on December 29, 2012 at 11:07 PM

…and what is the media doing?

KOOLAID2 on December 29, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Fellating the DNC and all the elected democrats.

tom daschle concerned on December 29, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Good bye 2012, we hardly knew ye…

Seven Percent Solution on December 29, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Seven Percent Solution:

Pours drink,toasts….throw’s glass into fireplace,*Clink*
————————————:)

canopfor on December 29, 2012 at 11:09 PM

…and what is the media doing?

KOOLAID2 on December 29, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Lying their asses off to provide cover for Obama’s Marxist coup.

SWalker on December 29, 2012 at 11:10 PM

I’m going to watch the Orange Bowl-despite finding football to be boring-because if it wasn’t for NIU…I would’ve never met my husband. *we were set up on a blind date, by a guy that I went to Hebrew school with-who was also a former frat brother of his. BOTH are NIU alumni*. Go Huskies!

annoyinglittletwerp on December 29, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Not reaching a “deal” seems to be about the ONLY thing that will cut spending at all, so I say let’s never have a deal.

VorDaj on December 29, 2012 at 11:11 PM

State of Maine go’s Same Sex Marriage last night,and now
Obama is calling for………and the Cultural War Continues…

President Obama urging Illinois state legislature to legalize gay marriage – @Suntimes

3 hours ago from blogs.suntimes.com by editor
=================================================

on December 29, 2012 6:07 PM

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2012/12/obama_urging_state_lawmakers_t.html

canopfor on December 29, 2012 at 11:12 PM

This is the link that harberinging posted.

tom daschle concerned on December 29, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Oh, $#!+.

davidk on December 29, 2012 at 11:13 PM

…and what is the media doing?

KOOLAID2 on December 29, 2012 at 11:05 PM

KOOLAID2:

They are busy…..LollyGagging on their Lilly Pads,and Free-Lancing
their Bulrushs!
(snark)

canopfor on December 29, 2012 at 11:15 PM

This is the link that harberinging posted.

tom daschle concerned on December 29, 2012 at 10:55 PM

yup, thanks. Don’t know how that one failed. That article bugs the hell out me. I was really hoping the guy I was talking to would or could put my concerns to rest, but instead it’s even worse. It was a strange sort of relief in a way, to know better what to prepare for.

Harbingeing on December 29, 2012 at 11:16 PM

SWalker, you read this?

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/print-friendly/52005

davidk on December 29, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Hey the libs have publicly pined in the mournful way for the Clinton tax rates, Crying that the Bush cuts are why we have this terrible deficit and in every way our lousy economy is his fault and if only we went back the 90s rates everything would be wonderful again.

Here you go, its the Willy’s notion of blood draw, for everybody.

Pretty great huh? No? Its what you loons dreamt about.

Don’t the Democrats own the Clinton tax rates?

Speakup on December 29, 2012 at 11:17 PM

SWalker on December 29, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Hey I have a link for you.

Your piece at your blog re: Diane “The treasonous” Feinstein made me think of it.

tom daschle concerned on December 29, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Cliff-jumping also would mean that instead of spending the early weeks of January laying out big plans for a second-term agenda, Obama and his staff will be bogged down with negotiations over the myriad issues

This would be very good. I’d like to see Obama and his whole gang in a bog, preferably a bottomless one.

VorDaj on December 29, 2012 at 11:19 PM

It was a strange sort of relief in a way, to know better what to prepare for.

Harbingeing on December 29, 2012 at 11:16 PM

It scares the crap out of me. I’ve been expecting it for a long time–I knew that’s why Obama was so lackadaisical in the first debate; he knew already he was going to win no matter what.

But to see their agenda presented so starkly … .

God help us.

davidk on December 29, 2012 at 11:20 PM

SWalker, you read this?

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/print-friendly/52005

davidk on December 29, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Yup, if and I heavily stress IF true, then we are in for a serious world of hurt. It has more than a bit of conspiracy theory sound and feel to it. Sadly, Obama and his Marxist cronies have every bit as much of a conspiracy theory feel to them as well. Which makes a story as improbable as this difficult to dismiss out of hand.

SWalker on December 29, 2012 at 11:20 PM

President Obama urging Illinois state legislature to legalize gay marriage ……..
canopfor on December 29, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Mooch the beard, will be out as soon as he exits the White House. His new ‘life-partner’.?.?.. Hmmm… Will it be Reggie Love? Or maybe Hot Air’s own contributor, the Professor of Transgender African poetry of the 1950s? (or whatever.)

LegendHasIt on December 29, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on December 29, 2012 at 11:23 PM

This is the link that harberinging posted.

tom daschle concerned on December 29, 2012 at 10:55 PM

tom daschle:

Lovely,so I guess,these sort of websites are waiting
for Rev******n Day!
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About Us

We are group of concerned citizens who feel the threat to our country is too great to merely wait for 2016, and seek instead a legal path of civil disobedience and other tactics to institute that change. Stay tuned for a detailed manifesto.

http://www.revolution2013.net/About_Us.html

canopfor on December 29, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on December 29, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Dire Straits:Evening Dire:)

canopfor on December 29, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Dire Straits on December 29, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Dire…

KCB on December 29, 2012 at 11:27 PM

This is the link that harberinging posted.

tom daschle concerned on December 29, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Thanks.

It sounds like just another unconfirmed conspiracy theory to me. They’re certainly doing a great job destroying the dollar but if the ruling class tries to confiscate our weapons in the middle of a dollar crash or any other time they are toast.

FloatingRock on December 29, 2012 at 11:27 PM

canopfor on December 29, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Mooch the beard, will be out as soon as he exits the White House. His new ‘life-partner’.?.?.. Hmmm… Will it be Reggie Love? Or maybe Hot Air’s own contributor, the Professor of Transgender African poetry of the 1950s? (or whatever.)

LegendHasIt on December 29, 2012 at 11:21 PM

LegendHasit:

Lol,ya,Hopey and FLOTUS Sham marriage,…could be.
Maybe Changey is aligning his Unicorn Ducks in a row,
to leave FLOTUS,in 2016!(sarc):)

canopfor on December 29, 2012 at 11:30 PM

… Obowma is arming the Caliphate in the Middle East, Japan and China are about to go at it, our Ambassadors and citizens are abandoned and slaughtered and no one bats an eye, legislation is signed giving the government the power to arrest us without cause indefinately, our economy is about to collapse under the weight of Trillions of dollars of debt, the Senate hasn’t passed a budget in over three years but the House gets the blame, Obowmacare taxes and regulation strangulation is going to kill small businesses, Hillary has a headache, and Obowma has just been re-elected and now can fully take off the mask.

Good bye 2012, we hardly knew ye…

Seven Percent Solution on December 29, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Cheer up as in another 4 years, 2013 will be known as “The Good Old Days”.

VorDaj on December 29, 2012 at 11:32 PM

I knew that’s why Obama was so lackadaisical in the first debate; he knew already he was going to win no matter what.

davidk on December 29, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Barky wasn’t “lackadaisical” in the first debate. He’s just a friggin stone-cold retard. A truly stupid half-person. Barky was his own stupid self. He did so poorl;y in the first debate because it was almost like a real debate and he can’t think his way out of a wet paper bag. Barky needs to know what’s going to be asked and he needs the answers be constrained so he can be trained up to memorize them. On his own, though, Barky couldn’t pass for a normal junior high schooler. He’s that dumb and that’s exactly what happened in the first debate.

As to the rest of that article and the “fix being in” for the election, no one controlled the Benghazi treason. Barky and his gang of idiots screwed that up from beginning to end. But, it wasn’t Barky that made Romney treat Benghazi as if it didn’t even exist. Romney couldn’t bother to hit Barky on anything even though we had such an unbelievable POS in office (illegitimately) who has f#cked up everything he’s touched since sliming in. But Romney spent half of his time explaining how he agreed with Barky on so many issues and gave away the whole foreign policy debate to the a guy with the most destructive foreign policy in all of American history.

Anyone who portrays barky and his administration as being competent in anything is obviously in error as neither the Dog-Eater nor any of his minions has ever shown competence at anything. They are losers of the worst kind. There’s no doubt they are coming after us, but I take the words of anyone who thinks they are great planners of any sort with a huge grain of salt. Barky and Co stumble from one thing to another and get away with it by hiding behind Barky’s skin. That’s about the shape of it. There’s not much more to that angle. That’s all they have and that’s all they play. Just as in the election (with the assist from Romney’s retarded campaign, of course).

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 29, 2012 at 11:32 PM

HA was graced with genius today…

Somewhere, There Is A Motherland That Has Lost Its Idiot

Resist We Much on December 29, 2012 at 11:32 PM

I knew that’s why Obama was so lackadaisical in the first debate; he knew already he was going to win no matter what.

davidk on December 29, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Barky wasn’t “lackadaisical” in the first debate. He’s just a friggin stone-cold retard. A truly stupid half-person. Barky was his own stupid self. He did so poorly in the first debate because it was almost like a real debate and he can’t think his way out of a wet paper bag. Barky needs to know what’s going to be asked and he needs the answers be constrained so he can be trained up to memorize them. On his own, though, Barky couldn’t pass for a normal junior high schooler. He’s that dumb and that’s exactly what happened in the first debate.

As to the rest of that article and the “fix being in” for the election, no one controlled the Benghazi treason. Barky and his gang of idiots screwed that up from beginning to end. But, it wasn’t Barky that made Romney treat Benghazi as if it didn’t even exist. Romney couldn’t bother to hit Barky on anything even though we had such an unbelievable POS in office (illegitimately) who has screwed up everything he’s touched since sliming in. But Romney spent half of his time explaining how he agreed with Barky on so many issues and gave away the whole foreign policy debate to the a guy with the most destructive foreign policy in all of American history.

Anyone who portrays barky and his administration as being competent in anything is obviously in error as neither the Dog-Eater nor any of his minions has ever shown competence at anything. They are losers of the worst kind. There’s no doubt they are coming after us, but I take the words of anyone who thinks they are great planners of any sort with a huge grain of salt. Barky and Co stumble from one thing to another and get away with it by hiding behind Barky’s skin. That’s about the shape of it. There’s not much more to that angle. That’s all they have and that’s all they play. Just as in the election (with the assist from Romney’s retarded campaign, of course).

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 29, 2012 at 11:33 PM

canopfor on December 29, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Good evening Friend..Hope you and your family are enjoying the Holiday Season..Do you have the Grandchildren this weekend?..:)

Dire Straits on December 29, 2012 at 11:34 PM

KCB on December 29, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on December 29, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Pours drink,toasts….throw’s glass into fireplace,*Clink*
————————————:)

canopfor on December 29, 2012 at 11:09 PM

*clink!*

This is the link that harberinging posted.

tom daschle concerned on December 29, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Yup…

Seven Percent Solution on December 29, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on December 29, 2012 at 11:23 PM

…*Hot Air crowd…coast to coast starts doing THE WAVE…standing up and yelling*…Dire…!!!

KOOLAID2 on December 29, 2012 at 11:36 PM

“It’s that much higher?” asked IT worker Vikas Kataria, 34, who discovered that his combined household income of about $250,000 per year will cost him nearly $10,000 more in taxes.

LoLz..You just have to laugh..Wait to these folks find out about ObieCare..:)

Dire Straits on December 29, 2012 at 11:36 PM

As for spending cuts, particularly in entitlements, some Senate Republicans say they will press for those in January or February, during the coming battle over raising the nation’s debt ceiling. They believe that fight will give them leverage to extract real concessions from the White House and Democrats on spending. It’s not entirely clear why they believe that so strongly; Republicans will certainly take a beating in the press if they appear ready to push the nation toward default to win unpopular cuts. Nevertheless, some in the GOP are readying themselves for that fight…

LOL, man, these f*ckwits aren’t very smart, are they?

Midas on December 29, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Seven Percent Solution on December 29, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Hope you and little 7% had a Merry Christmas..:)

Dire Straits on December 29, 2012 at 11:37 PM

There’s not much more to that angle. That’s all they have and that’s all they play. Just as in the election (with the assist from Romney’s retarded campaign, of course).

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 29, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Maybe Romney’s retarded campaign was part of the fix. ;)

kim roy on December 29, 2012 at 11:38 PM

KOOLAID2 on December 29, 2012 at 11:36 PM

lolz..Jut give me a bar where “Everybody knows your name”..:)

Dire Straits on December 29, 2012 at 11:39 PM

I summon SparkPlug.

SparkPlug on December 29, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Hi everyone! What is going on?

SparkPlug on December 29, 2012 at 11:42 PM

OMG. It worked.

SparkPlug on December 29, 2012 at 11:43 PM

SparkPlug on December 29, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Think it will work?

KCB on December 29, 2012 at 11:43 PM

KCB on December 29, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Too slow…

KCB on December 29, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Oh, $#!+.

davidk on December 29, 2012 at 11:13 PM

$#!+, indeed.

Solaratov on December 29, 2012 at 11:46 PM

SparkPlug on December 29, 2012 at 11:42 PM

I was born in a wagon of a travelling show
Momma used to dance for the money they’d throw..:)

Dire Straits on December 29, 2012 at 11:47 PM

canopfor on December 29, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Good evening Friend..Hope you and your family are enjoying the Holiday Season..Do you have the Grandchildren this weekend?..:)

Dire Straits on December 29, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Dire Straits:

Thank you for asking,and I hope your Christmas went smoothly,
and yes,only one grandson,he came tonight!:)

canopfor on December 29, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Published on Dec 29, 2012

Вашему вниманию предлагаются эксклюзивные кадры момента аварии Ту-204 в аэропорту Внуково. Кадры сняты очевидцем, чью машину зацепил самолет, выкатившийся на Киевское шоссе.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zaqi5DwCYE

canopfor on December 29, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Probably doesn’t add much, and a Google translation would be less crappy, but gotta practice…

Exclusive catastrophe footage:

Offered for your attention exclusive footage of the moment of the accident of the Tupolev-204 at Vnukovo airport [VIA - Moscow]. Footage shot by an eyewitness, whose car the plane hooked as it rolled out onto the Kiev [Kiev Highway - Moscow].

Hearing 4 injured and 4 dead… probably a 204C (cargo plane) if that relatively small toll is true.

Also sidenote, insurance fraud is a fairly common occupation over there, so whenever something crazy like this happens, there’s usually a dashboard cam available to catch it.

Gingotts on December 29, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Oh, $#!+.

davidk on December 29, 2012 at 11:13 PM

$#!+, indeed.

Solaratov on December 29, 2012 at 11:46 PM

… coming soon to a fan near you.

Midas on December 29, 2012 at 11:50 PM

LOL, man, these f*ckwits aren’t very smart, are they?

Midas on December 29, 2012 at 11:37 PM

No shit, they can get any and every concession out of the Democrat/Marxists that they every could dream of getting IF they wanted to. The amount of leverage they hold right now is utterly unparallelled in American history.

The problem is that either they don’t have the testicular fortitude to apply that leverage, OR, they are in fact and reality on the exact same page fighting for the exact same agenda as the Democrats/Marxists.

Congress has not passed a budget in four years, consequently in order to pay out ANY money at all, they must pass a continuing resolution. This continuing resolution MUST be passed in the House, the senate cannot pass it and Obama cannot sign an executive order authorizing one single penny be paid.

The Speaker of the House could point blank refuse to allow the continuing resolution to come to the floor until the President and the Senate agreed to and passed all of the spending cuts entitlement reforms and hell even a flat tax and the President and the Senate would have no choice what-so-ever but to sign and pass them.

SWalker on December 29, 2012 at 11:51 PM

…gawd MSU is stinking up the tube!
…glad my son won’t see this post.

KOOLAID2 on December 29, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Dire Straits on December 29, 2012 at 11:47 PM

LOLZ. Wait! Let me summon Cher.

Poppa would do whatever he could
Preach a little gospel
Sell a couple bottles of doctor good (:

SparkPlug on December 29, 2012 at 11:54 PM

…gawd MSU is stinking up the tube!
…glad my son won’t see this post.

KOOLAID2 on December 29, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Snicker snicker… Just tweeted it to him… /evil grin

SWalker on December 29, 2012 at 11:54 PM

LOLZ. Wait! Let me summon Cher.

SparkPlug on December 29, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Ack, no! Send her back, send her back!!!

Midas on December 29, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Pours drink,toasts….throw’s glass into fireplace,*Clink*
————————————:)

canopfor on December 29, 2012 at 11:09 PM

*clink!*

Seven Percent Solution on December 29, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Seven Percent Solution:—:O

canopfor on December 29, 2012 at 11:55 PM

Dire Straits on December 29, 2012 at 11:47 PM

LOLZ. Wait! Let me summon Cher.

Poppa would do whatever he could
Preach a little gospel
Sell a couple bottles of doctor good (:

SparkPlug on December 29, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Gypsies Democrats tramps Marxist and thieves GOPe’s

SWalker on December 29, 2012 at 11:56 PM

canopfor on December 29, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Good deal..:):)

Dire Straits on December 29, 2012 at 11:57 PM

OMG. It worked.

SparkPlug on December 29, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Do it again.

I’ve almost got it figured out!

Tim_CA on December 29, 2012 at 11:58 PM

Hey I have a link for you.

Your piece at your blog re: Diane “The treasonous” Feinstein made me think of it.

tom daschle concerned on December 29, 2012 at 11:18 PM

swalker did you catch this?

tom daschle concerned on December 29, 2012 at 11:58 PM

LOLZ. Wait! Let me summon Cher.

Poppa would do whatever he could
Preach a little gospel
Sell a couple bottles of doctor good (:

SparkPlug on December 29, 2012 at 11:54 PM

SparkPlug: Only if Cher is straddled over a 16″ Gun!:)
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http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/attachments/naval-warfare/18370d1264395679-naval-quiz-cher-cropped.jpg

canopfor on December 29, 2012 at 11:59 PM

tom daschle concerned on December 29, 2012 at 11:18 PM

swalker did you catch this?

tom daschle concerned on December 29, 2012 at 11:58 PM

Yea, I’m a bit skeptical, but sadly it isn’t something that I find to be so inconceivable as to completely discount.

SWalker on December 30, 2012 at 12:00 AM

Questions for Gun-Grabbers

M2RB: Ian Hunter

Resist We Much on December 30, 2012 at 12:03 AM

WTFE. Done.

tom daschle concerned on December 30, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Snicker snicker… Just tweeted it to him… /evil grin

SWalker on December 29, 2012 at 11:54 PM

(:->)
…the way the game is going…he is going to be crabby all day tomorrow…and won’t talk to anybody…he acts like he lost the game or something!

KOOLAID2 on December 30, 2012 at 12:04 AM

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