Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on December 29, 2012 by Allahpundit

New Yorkers of all income levels got a rude awakening yesterday when they saw in The Post how much more they will pay in taxes next year without a fiscal-cliff deal by Jan. 1.

“It’s that much higher?” asked IT worker Vikas Kataria, 34, who discovered that his combined household income of about $250,000 per year will cost him nearly $10,000 more in taxes.

“I thought it was a couple thousand — but that’s a lot,” said Kataria, who works at Merrill Lynch in Manhattan and is married to a systems analyst for a brokerage firm. “That’s huge!”…

“What am I supposed to do, work harder?” Hagon said. “I don’t want to find myself in front of my store dead with a heart attack!”

***

Whether or not a Senate deal can be reached is anyone’s guess, though it seems unlikely considering all the false starts that have characterized negotiations up to this point. Whether McConnell would allow for an up-or-down vote on a Democratic-authored bill is even less certain. On Friday evening, Reid’s office announced that it was preparing such a bill for a Monday vote as a contingency plan…

[A White House] official argued that any final deal that emerged from the Senate would have to be crafted with an eye toward garnering Democratic support in the House. Reid, after all, wouldn’t sign off on a bill that set the threshold for tax hikes too high. And since Boehner’s failed “Plan B” proposal showed he was unable to pass legislation raising rates only on millionaires, Democratic votes in both chambers would be needed.

“Whatever McConnell and Reid cook up is something that Nancy Pelosi has to support,” the official said. “The Minority Leader will have a powerful role in these discussions.”

***

The last-minute tax and spending deal being discussed in the Senate would do little to reduce the deficit, and could actually expand it, leaving difficult choices about Medicare, Social Security, and the country’s borrowing limit until next year…

This weekend, with talks moving closer to the deadline, the only item being discussed that would reduce the deficit is a White House proposal to let the Bush-era tax cuts expire for upper-income households. White House officials believe raising tax rates on income above $250,000, combined with changes in capital-gains, dividend, and estate-tax rules, would raise roughly $950 billion over 10 years, a level that is short of their $1.2 trillion goal. That means the White House is likely to try and pursue more tax increases as part of any subsequent budget debate in 2013…

The other items being discussed as part of the slimmed-down package would cost the government. One would extend emergency unemployment benefits for one year, at a cost of roughly $30 billion. Another would prevent Medicare payments to doctors from being cut close to 27%. This change would cost another $10 billion, according to estimates.

***

The big-ticket item hanging over the Reid-McConnell talks will be the income level at which taxes can rise. Boehner failed to win sufficient GOP support for a plan to increase taxes for income over $1 million, and Obama has previously upped his offer from $250,000 to $400,000. McConnell and Reid are also trying to agree on the level to set taxes on estates that are transferred after the death of an owner.

At the meeting, Boehner made clear any efforts to eliminate pending cuts to defense and domestic programs — about $109 billion next year — must be replaced by spending cuts to other programs. Republicans later said it appeared that the so-called sequester would not be addressed in a final agreement. A final deal appears unlikely to include an increase of the $16.4 trillion national debt limit, which will be reached on Monday, meaning that Congress will almost certainly renew the battle over taxes and spending immediately in the new year.

***

Multiple GOP lawmakers indicated that their goal now is to get through the fiscal cliff standoff one way or another, at which point Republicans can regroup and focus their efforts on extracting concessions from the White House in exchange for a debt-limit boost.

“Give the president whatever he wants [on taxes],” Grassley said hypothetically. “All it covers is somewhere between eight and 12 percent of the $1.1 trillion deficit.

“When you get beyond this fiscal cliff deal, the public starts looking at what we’re trying to do to cut down on spending as opposed to increasing taxes, that strengthens our hand,” he added.

A House GOP aide said the debt limit provides a “natural venue” for Republicans to continue to push for preferred fiscal policies, once the fiscal cliff is in the rearview mirror.

***

“A top Obama administration official” told The Huffington Post that “they don’t view an unresolved debt ceiling fight as too generous a concession because, as a matter of principle, the president will not negotiate with Republicans over raising it down the road.”…

If Obama drops the debt ceiling demand, he’s setting the stage for another round of budget talks in late February, during which the GOP will demand long-term spending reforms in exchange for an immediate increase in the debt ceiling.

***

A pair of GOP senators, confident Congress will head off the tax hikes set to kick in within days, are already turning their attention to entitlements and the debt ceiling.

Tennessee Sens. Bob Corker and Lamar Alexander pitched a plan on Friday to cut federal spending by $1 trillion — much of it from Medicare — in exchange for increasing the nation’s borrowing limit by that amount. The plan would raise the Medicare eligibly age to 67 and require wealthier Medicare users to pay higher premiums. Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner has estimated extraordinary measures can push the necessity of Congress addressing the debt ceiling until perhaps February.

“Here we are on Dec. 29 without a serious proposal before us to deal with the biggest issue, which is entitlements,” Corker said. “There’s been a lot of discussions about figuring out a way to deal with the … revenue side and at least getting that portion out of the way. Since we know it’s going to happen either before the 31st or after.”

***

Cliff-jumping also would mean that instead of spending the early weeks of January laying out big plans for a second-term agenda, Obama and his staff will be bogged down with negotiations over the myriad issues wrapped up in the cliff, including everything from the tax cuts and across-the-board spending cuts to the alternative minimum tax and the “doc fix,” the formula under which physicians receive reimbursement for treating Medicare patients. In the White House’s preferred scenario, a deal addressing key elements of the fiscal cliff would have been clinched by the end of this year and that could have been used to tee up negotiations in 2013 over a grand bargain on the budget. Obama has set a goal of reaching a long-term budget deal by the first half of next year and hopes to notch up an agreement as part of his legacy.

Not only will the grand-bargain discussions need to await an eventual resolution of the fiscal cliff, but other items on Obama’s second-term agenda risk getting pushed to the back burner, too, including gun control and immigration.

***

“I think everyone is trying to look busy, so when we go over, they can say, well, we tried,” Brooks said. “He came back from Hawaii. He had to do something. And so they had a meeting. If you don’t have new offers, you are not really making progress. You could have a nice frank exchange, but they are in the business of making a deal. And there is really, as far as we know, no real evidence that they moved. So I remain convinced, as I have been, that we are probably going to go over.”

***

Under the most likely scenario, Republicans will get nothing — nothing — in return for giving in on tax rates for the highest-income Americans. No spending cuts, at least no serious spending cuts beyond what are already included in sequestration, would be part of the deal done on Sunday or Monday, if that is indeed what happens…

As for spending cuts, particularly in entitlements, some Senate Republicans say they will press for those in January or February, during the coming battle over raising the nation’s debt ceiling. They believe that fight will give them leverage to extract real concessions from the White House and Democrats on spending. It’s not entirely clear why they believe that so strongly; Republicans will certainly take a beating in the press if they appear ready to push the nation toward default to win unpopular cuts. Nevertheless, some in the GOP are readying themselves for that fight…

So a deal will most likely be done. But the bottom line is that the fiscal cliff fight will not end happily for Republicans. They will have given in on what was an article of faith — that taxes should not be raised on anybody, poor or rich — in return for essentially nothing. All they will have is a plan to fight again, soon.

***

It’s difficult to find a Republican operative who is willing to say on the record that going over the fiscal cliff next Tuesday is a good idea. Provoking a crisis is bad politics: Republicans are resigned to taking the blame. And it’s bad for their policy agenda: They will likely be cornered into a broader tax hike than the best deal they could get from President Barack Obama today, and with none of the spending cuts that might now be on the table.

And yet, the dominant emotion among most Republicans here is one of sheer resignation.

“It’s a shit show,” one prominent Republican told BuzzFeed of the GOP’s messaging position. “Tax rates are going to go up on everyone, and we’re going to get the blame.”

***

Congress can prevent it from happening, if they act now. Leaders in Congress are working on a way to prevent this tax hike on the middle class, and I believe we may be able to reach an agreement that can pass both houses in time.

But if an agreement isn’t reached in time, then I’ll urge the Senate to hold an up-or-down vote on a basic package that protects the middle class from an income tax hike, extends vital unemployment insurance for Americans looking for a job, and lays the groundwork for future progress on more economic growth and deficit reduction.

I believe such a proposal could pass both houses with bipartisan majorities – as long as these leaders allow it to come to a vote.

***

The Republican-controlled House has taken a step in the right direction. The House has already passed bills to protect all Americans from burdensome tax increases. In addition, they’ve passed legislation to replace damaging across-the-board spending cuts with responsible targeted ones, and to bring our nation’s record debt under control. But instead of working across the aisle and considering the House-passed plan to protect taxpayers, Senate Democrats have spent months drawing partisan lines in the sand.

The President’s proposal to raise taxes on the top 2 percent of Americans won’t even pay one-third of the annual interest that’s now owed on this massive $16 trillion debt. In fact, the President’s tax hike would only fund the government for eight days. Americans deserve to know: What does the President propose we do for the other 357 days of the year?


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We saw how the MSM handled Romney’s treatment of Benghazi

J_Crater on May 22, 2013 at 7:24 PM

“…with Precious’s sweet ass on the line…”

cynccook on May 22, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Wouldn’t matter..
Obama was scheduled to know about the IRS candelas 8 months from then..

Electrongod on May 22, 2013 at 7:25 PM

I honestly wasn’t aware of this mess until this year. Don’t recall much being reported on Hotair let alone in the MSM.

jawkneemusic on May 22, 2013 at 7:26 PM

“Everybody knew about this investigation long before the election.”

Stop that slander of Dear Reaper, I mean Dear Leader. Dear Leader didn’t know. In fact, he didn’t even find out until he heard about it on TV next Friday.

VorDaj on May 22, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Whew. For a moment I thought it said Karen Finley. It’s doesn’, so I guess that means the video’s safe to watch.

Oh, wait, it’s MSNBC…

CJ on May 22, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Am I the only person who’s never heard the phrase “lead-pipe cinch” before?

cynccook on May 22, 2013 at 7:28 PM

So everyone but Obama knew of the investigation right?

geojed on May 22, 2013 at 7:28 PM

I honestly wasn’t aware of this mess until this year. Don’t recall much being reported on Hotair let alone in the MSM.

jawkneemusic on May 22, 2013 at 7:26 PM

It was during that Fluck/whore thing last year..

Electrongod on May 22, 2013 at 7:29 PM

It was during that Fluck/whore thing last year..

Electrongod on May 22, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Slut…that is..

Electrongod on May 22, 2013 at 7:30 PM

May 22, National Random Act of Journalism Day.

hillsoftx on May 22, 2013 at 7:30 PM

What??? Blame Romney?

jake49 on May 22, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Preposterous on so many levels.

Curtiss on May 22, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Because Romney could barely raise his pulse enough to go after Obama on Benghazi.

portlandon on May 22, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Alex Wagner’s show.

Of Course. The defacto hotbed for progspiracies.

Hey! The Charlie Cook article is already working it’s magic!

Good job, Charlie!

Defense! Defense!

budfox on May 22, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Wait a second. isn’t it Bush’s fault? His crystal ball was blurry before Romney’s so says San Fran Nan.

Slainte on May 22, 2013 at 7:34 PM

The Left is desperate. Not only are they trying to blame Romney for the scandal going far as it did (like the LSM would have listened and not called him a liar), the NYT blames Rush for the media not covering any news of what was going on. The reason: Rush’s comment about Fluke was so huge that every reporter in the media was covering it. That’s right — if Rush didn’t call her what he did, every reporter would have been freed up to uncover what was going on at the IRS.

Right…

I love the smell of liberal fear in the evening as well as in the morning.

Liam on May 22, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Am I the only person who’s never heard the phrase “lead-pipe cinch” before?

cynccook on May 22, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Sorry, can’t help you out. I have heard of it before. Not sure now, however, what in the world it was ever created or what it means.

UnderstandingisPower on May 22, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Low Information Pundit

“The ‘D’OH!!!‘ is strong in this one.”

PolAgnostic on May 22, 2013 at 7:36 PM

I bet Crowley would have jumped up and had papers to PROVE… PROVE that Obama… oh… they would have come up with something.

UnderstandingisPower on May 22, 2013 at 7:37 PM

if Issa or Romney had taken Finney’s advice here and accused Obama and the IRS last year of targeting tea partiers without any hard proof, they would have been capital-D Destroyed by the media for it.

Correct.

kunegetikos on May 22, 2013 at 7:37 PM

“Everybody knew about this investigation long before the election.”

Why didn’t you report it then?

davidk on May 22, 2013 at 7:37 PM

“Everybody knew about this investigation long before the election.”

Why didn’t you report it then?

davidk on May 22, 2013 at 7:37 PM

BOOM!

kim roy on May 22, 2013 at 7:39 PM

with Precious’s sweet ass on the line?

Allah, your snark gets better every day.

JusDreamin on May 22, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Right…

I love the smell of liberal fear in the evening as well as in the morning.

Liam on May 22, 2013 at 7:34 PM

I nominate Rush for the Nobel Peace Prize..
Why not..

Hold on…
HA is taking over my horizontal…
My vertical too..
Oh..

It’s a pop-up about gun control..

Electrongod on May 22, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Now a judge is apologizing for keeping James Rosen’s case under seal for 18 months…a review is being called for. LOL

d1carter on May 22, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Steer clear of royal welcomes, avoid a big toodoo A king who would slaughter the innocents will not cut a deal for you. But Herods always out there, hes got our card on file. Its a lead pipe cinch, if you give an inch then Harod likes to take a mile…Home by another way-James Taylor Does anyone believe that this is in ANY way Romneys fault? MSNBC just lost half its audience…all 12 of them

neyney on May 22, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Everyone and their dog knew about this long before the election…save Obama who just found out last week when he turned on the nightly news.

Kataklysmic on May 22, 2013 at 7:41 PM

She’s referring to the fact that Issa and his committee knew last year that the IG was investigating tea-party complaints, even though (a) they couldn’t know for sure at the time what the results of the investigation would be and the IG took care to make sure they didn’t find out before November,

Not to mention that Congresscritters are given heads up on secret stuff with the proviso that they don’t reveal it. At least publicly.

rbj on May 22, 2013 at 7:41 PM

He probably didn’t want his family harmed by Ogabe’s IRS— SS.

viking01 on May 22, 2013 at 7:42 PM

“Asked why he visited WH 118 times, Former IRS Commish Doug Shulman, cited the Easter Egg Roll as one reason.”

J_Crater on May 22, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Right.

It’s not like MSNBC is the media ar anything.

dthorny on May 22, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Cruz! You da man! “The senior senator of Arizona urged senators to trust House Republicans … and frankly, I don’t trust Republicans,” Cruz said. “It’s the leaders of both parties that got us in this mess. … A lot of Republicans were complicit in this spending spree

.”

http://thehill.com/video/senate/301329-cruz-i-dont-trust-republicans

davidk on May 22, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Well. You get the idea.

davidk on May 22, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Electrongod on May 22, 2013 at 7:39 PM

*clink*..:)

PS..I’m with you..:)

Dire Straits on May 22, 2013 at 7:48 PM

So Whorehouse Harry Reid can make a proclamation ( Talk out of his @$$) that Mitt paid no taxes for 20 years and it is perfectly OK according to the Drive By’s but if the Republicans brought this out before this before the election without proof they would have been laughed off by those same Drive By’s. So much BULL$h!T

hamradio on May 22, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Oh, good Lord…

ladyingray on May 22, 2013 at 7:49 PM

What’s on deck next for these LSM fools — The devil made the IRS do it? A case of demon-possession? Or maybe everyone in the media suddenly got religion and went holy rollin’ instead of doing their jobs?

Then again, they did their jobs — covering Obama’s azz.

Liam on May 22, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Dire Straits on May 22, 2013 at 7:48 PM

*clink*

What an interesting week or so..

So much corruption being exposed..

And we have Obama pulling a Hans Solo..

“it’s not my fault….it’s not my fault”

Electrongod on May 22, 2013 at 7:51 PM

No wonder Scandalmania’s destroying their ratings.

Please AP. don’t make me laugh. MSNBC never had ratings to be destroyed.

Gracelynn on May 22, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Then again, they did their jobs — covering Obama’s azz.

Liam on May 22, 2013 at 7:50 PM

They not only covered his @$$ but kissed it so much that they became ChapStick addicts

hamradio on May 22, 2013 at 7:52 PM

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/lead-pipe-cinch.html

davidk on May 22, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Beat me to it, by a

copper riveted, lead pipe, copyrighted, air tight cinch.

AesopFan on May 22, 2013 at 7:53 PM

hamradio on May 22, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Noticed your handle..

Are you a ham operator?

Electrongod on May 22, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Fawning media leads Obama into illusions of invincibility.

From the City Journal.

esr1951 on May 22, 2013 at 7:56 PM

First of all… The targeting of TeaParty & other non RINO conservative groups started in 2010….

So it benefited not just Obama in 2012… But it benefited Romney nomination too….

Why didn’t Romney complain more or at all about the reports of CONSERVATIVE groups being targeted and sidelined by the IRS… Because it helped him as much as it help Obama later on…

Y314K on May 22, 2013 at 7:58 PM

“Everybody knew about this investigation long before the election.”

If only there were some way that everyday Americans could get information about important happenings in the country. I dunno say by television broadcast or maybe radio or even if there were such things as news items on papers that could be delivered door to door or something. We could have knowledgeable people report on what is happening everywhere.

Too bad Romney didn’t invent those things. Then the President of the United States and his loyal subjects wouldn’t have to wait around in the dark and wonder what important things were going on around them.

Lily on May 22, 2013 at 7:59 PM

While the IRS investigation was concluded about a year ago, the results were not presented to Congress until a few weeks ago.

bw222 on May 22, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Because Romney could barely raise his pulse enough to go after Obama on Benghazi.

portlandon on May 22, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Good grief, you’re such a dishonest anti-Mormon bigot. Romney went after Obama right away and the media ferociously closed ranks around Obama and attacked Romney for politicizing “a tragedy”. The story had no traction despite Romney’s efforts. The issue should have helped him but the majority wasn’t interested in pinning responsibility on Obama and Clinton, whose approval ratings were in the mid 60′s after the attack.

Basilsbest on May 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Am I the only person who’s never heard the phrase “lead-pipe cinch” before?

cynccook on May 22, 2013 at 7:28 PM

I’ve heard of it. Maybe it depends on where or when you were born.

INC on May 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

WI Gov. Walker Heads to Iowa

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker is gearing up for re-election next year, his third race in four years. But the Republican’s courting of out-of-state donors and conservatives, his plans to visit Iowa this week and his refusal to say whether he would serve out another full term if elected suggest he might be seeking a much bigger prize _ the presidency….

Maybe we’ll see some real hope and some good changes.

INC on May 22, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Maybe we’ll see some real hope and some good changes.

INC on May 22, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Dream ticket… Walker/Cruz 2016

Y314K on May 22, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Maybe Romney would have looked into it if you would have delivered the info in a Binder.

Karen, thy name is Grasping.

can_con on May 22, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Everybody knew about this investigation long before the election.”

If only there were some way that everyday Americans could get information about important happenings in the country. I dunno say by television broadcast or maybe radio or even if there were such things as news items on papers that could be delivered door to door or something. We could have knowledgeable people report on what is happening everywhere.

Lily on May 22, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Indeed. For the umpteenth time the media wonders how the American public doesn’t ‘know’ about an investigation, or whatever.
Geez Karen. Look in the mirror. It’s called reporting.

egmont on May 22, 2013 at 8:25 PM

MSNBC contributor wonders: Why didn’t Romney make a bigger deal about the IRS scandal last year?

Uh, because you guys wouldn’t have aired it.

Dream ticket… Walker/Cruz 2016

Y314K on May 22, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Yeah, sure.

Wait until Cruz gets hammered by the Lefties over his Natural Born status…he won’t get the same pass Obumbles did.

As for Walker and his particular version of Hope and Change:

Unfortunately, the U.S. Chamber, in a report released at the event, didn’t share Walker’s enthusiasm.

Its annual scorecard on state economies ranked Wisconsin 44th for overall economic performance and 50th — as in dead last — for short-term job growth as measured between September 2010 and November 2012. It also has Wisconsin 39th in “business climate” — on par with the state’s ranking under Gov. Jim Doyle.

And


Energy sales to the Milwaukee-based public utility company’s large commercial and industrial customers declined by about 3.9 percent in the first quarter compared with the first quarter of 2012. The main drivers were lower energy sales to the company’s largest customer category — iron ore mines in Michigan’s upper peninsula — and the impact of leap year in 2012, Klappa said.

Leap year? Really? Surprised Obama’s handlers didn’t think that one up to cover their own a$$es on sorry economic reports last year.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 22, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Why make MSNBC out to be more “important” than what they deserve?

If rightwing pundits stop watching MSNBC to pick on them, the viewership will drop to 1/3rd of the current number.

Sir Napsalot on May 22, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Re/ MSNBC’s ratings collapse:

The scandals might be coincidental to them hiring the nerd at 7pm Chris Hayes who has disastrous ratings versus O’Reilly and from what I read is bringing down Rachel Maddow’s and Crazy Larry’s from what they had when Sgt. Shultz had that time slot.

Marcus on May 22, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Headline answer
No one has the balls.
Time somebody had a talk with a Paul, a Cruz, a Perry, and said, what are you waiting for?
Time somebody stood up.

seesalrun2 on May 22, 2013 at 8:58 PM

This is completely insane.

This woman should be heavily medicated and in an institution that isolates society from the consequences of her behavior/

Yet – her opium-tinged, fever-dream maundering is accepted as “normal” conversation.

williamg on May 22, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Is she suggesting that the Republicans deliberately chose not to politicize this issue during the 2012 campaign?

NorthernCross on May 22, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Romney has class – he wanted to make it about what he could do FOR the country instead of what Obama was doing TO the country.

easyt65 on May 22, 2013 at 9:18 PM

The MSM have essentially been street whores for The Chosen One. MSNBC is an actual whorehouse.

GarandFan on May 22, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Basilsbest on May 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Romney didn’t go after Obama. He kept his mittens on and wouldn’t take his gloves off. No sarcasm.

Oh and I hate Romney because he is a Mormon. /sarc

SparkPlug on May 22, 2013 at 9:43 PM

Huh?

pat on May 22, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Karen & Pals…..bwahahahahahaha..

allow me to interrupt, to bring you a more intelligent analysis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_73NU6OlNuw

roflmmfao

donabernathy on May 22, 2013 at 9:58 PM

Dear MSNBC,

This is the type of shlock reporting you get when your talking heads are limited to reading headlines and can’t read type font smaller than 14 point.

The devil’s in the details, always has been, always will be.

Unless, of course, all you want to do is pander to the baser instincts of humanity . . .

EB

EdmundBurke247 on May 22, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Dear Ms. Finney,

Please go stand in front of a mirror and ask your question(s) again using only the first person and pronouns. Proper names not allowed.

HINT-It looks something like “I want to know why I didn’t make more of a deal about the IRS scandals since I knew . . .?

Only AFTER you have publicly answered that question can you even start to consider yourself a journalist.

Thanks,
EB

EdmundBurke247 on May 22, 2013 at 10:53 PM

I think this may have been a freudian slip. What she was really saying is hey whats the big deal we in the MSM have known about this stuff (but didnt report it ) for years.

neyney on May 23, 2013 at 12:07 AM

“Lying to get us into a war…” LIE! “outed Valerie Plame…” LIE. Yet the remainig Kool Aid slurping, MSNBC Kool Aid delusionistas will just look away. Let’s just get this over with…it was Bush’s fault. Time to Move On.

Kenz on May 23, 2013 at 1:10 AM