George W. Bush continues to destroy privacy rights

posted at 8:31 am on December 29, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

One of the sad, lasting legacies of the previous administration was the destruction of personal liberty and privacy which followed in the wake of the 9/11 attacks. Washington began treating everyone as a suspect, prying into private phone conversations and recording your every move. Unfortunately, though he’s been out of office for more than four years and working with injured veterans on a remote Texas ranch, George W. Bush continues to hold America under his intrusive thumb.

Congress approved a measure Friday that would renew expansive U.S. surveillance authority for five more years, rejecting objections from senators who are concerned the legislation does not adequately protect Americans’ privacy.

The bill passed the Senate 73 to 23…

The lopsided Senate vote authorized a continuation of the government’s ability to eavesdrop on communications inside the United States involving foreign citizens without obtaining a specific warrant for each case.

For the life of me, I can’t figure out how Bush pulled this one off. (I mean, it has to be his fault, right? It couldn’t be the Democrats.) Seventy five votes in the Senate? When the Democrats have more than half the seats and the Majority Leader’s chair? Democrats hate this stuff! It’s the destruction of the American dream. But we can at least take some comfort knowing that President Obama will swat this down like a diseased tsetse fly.

The House approved it in September and President Obama is expected to sign it before the current authority expires on Monday.

Everything old is new again I suppose. The FISA Amendments Act was one of the mostly hotly debated bones of contention in its day, and Democrats made hay over it for a couple of election cycles. But now that they’ve got their hands on the tiller? It’s business as usual, baby.


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SurferDoc on December 29, 2012 at 12:10 PM

^^^THIS!^^^

The trucons have fallen hook, line and sinker for the democRAT propaganda.

Solaratov on December 29, 2012 at 1:26 PM

When will you two understand that the country has rejected Bush and the Bush types of GOP elitist that surrounded him not once not twice but 3 times now. those that think Bush will be “remembered” in the history books as some kind of great mind are nuts. He will be remember like Hoover was remembered and for the same reasons.

unseen on December 29, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Bush did very well on certain things. He sucked badly on others. Too much get along grow government crap. Pretty good pitching arm though.

Bmore on December 29, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Bush did very well on certain things. He sucked badly on others. Too much get along grow government crap. Pretty good pitching arm though.

Bmore on December 29, 2012 at 4:09 PM

And they’re a fine family, w/ exemplary records of service and they’re great Americans.

I just don’t want any of ‘em voting in the priamaries…much less running in ‘em.

Tim_CA on December 29, 2012 at 4:20 PM

He [Bush] will be remember like Hoover was remembered and for the same reasons.

unseen on December 29, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Enjoy that fantasy, as that is all it is–a fantasy.

zoyclem on December 29, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Monitoring cell phone traffic was a golden opportunity to get intelligence from terrorist organizations and it worked well until it was discovered and blabbed to the world and then the golden goose was dead. Zero traffic, thanks msm you were right, dead right.

mixplix on December 29, 2012 at 5:14 PM

There’s only one community the US government should’ve been spying on after 9/11-the Muslims, obviously. It wasn’t the Christians, Buddhists, Atheists, Hindus, NRA, The TEA Party, ie-normal Americans (non-muslims) that smashed planes into the towers-yet we’re all being treated like criminals and in essence creating the police state we had fought hard to avoid.

This is what happens when political correctness dominates foreign and domestic policies. After Pearl Harbor the US detained the Japanese rather than treat every American as a threat, which is the rational course to take.

We should be spying on Chinese immigrants or not allow them to work in our high-tech companies-how many of them need to be caught with laptops full of US top secret technology sneaking out of the country before we wise up?

Unfortunately things are getting uglier and uglier because no one wants to acknowledge the truth which is that Islam is today’s Nazism and the greatest threat to the West and the rest of humanity.

thinkagain on December 29, 2012 at 10:28 AM

Amen Bro!

Bulletchaser on December 29, 2012 at 5:47 PM

unseen on December 29, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Just keep suckin’ on that left te@t.

Solaratov on December 29, 2012 at 8:53 PM

And they’re a fine family, w/ exemplary records of service and they’re great Americans.

I just don’t want any of ‘em voting in the priamaries…much less running in ‘em.

Tim_CA on December 29, 2012 at 4:20 PM

So, you don’t mind them serving in the military to preserve YOUR right to vote…or run for office…

you just don’t want THEM to have that same right.

Solaratov on December 29, 2012 at 8:57 PM

PierreLegrand on December 29, 2012 at 2:00 PM

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You trucons have the answer all right. You’re the only real ‘keepers of the flame’.
Bull! If it wasn’t for your hope of legal dope, you’d never get off the couch.

You assclowns run all over the boards, calling people names if they don’t agree with you, worship ronpaul and long for isolationism as a foreign policy.
You’ve become a tiresome lot. Thoroughly boring…and undependable.

God help us if there’s a second revo;ution…because your sort certainly won’t.

Solaratov on December 29, 2012 at 9:06 PM

So, you don’t mind them serving in the military to preserve YOUR right to vote…or run for office…

you just don’t want THEM to have that same right.

Solaratov on December 29, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Not at all.

I’d just prefer that they didn’t vote in the primaires.

They’ll vote as “Establishment” as possible….their world-view is different than mine.

I respect, heck, even admire them.

I just don’t want another Bush as pres.

BTW…how do you feel about Obama voters? – I’m betting you’d have prefered many of them not turn out?

Racist.

(lol)

Tim_CA on December 29, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Dems may be shameless liars, but they’re not stupid.

Their Machivellian sliminess slides them into power very effectively.

They know what works [waterboarding, Gitmo, et al], even as they lie and swear it doesn’t.

And the proof is their complete lockstep usage of the anti-terror toolbox put in place by BUSH… as they vilify his legacy and memory.

This cynically naked two-facedness works wonders with the progressive half-wits who mechanically vote the scum back into office each election.

profitsbeard on December 30, 2012 at 1:22 AM

LMFAO – The GOP can’t agree on a plan to reduce entitlements – but they CAN agree with Dims to continue undercutting liberty in this nation?

This is YOUR GOP!!

HondaV65 on December 30, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Washington began treating everyone as a suspect, prying into private phone conversations and recording your every move.

Really, Jazz? Everyone? Your every move?

Buy Danish on December 30, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Jazz sarcasm: Washington began treating everyone as a suspect, prying into private phone conversations and recording your every move.

Buy Danish whined: Really, Jazz? Everyone?

Does everything need a /sarc tag for you to get it?

Jazz sarcasm: (I mean, it has to be his fault, right? It couldn’t be the Democrats.)

Try harder to be less dense.

Terp Mole on December 30, 2012 at 12:47 PM

There’s only one community the US government should’ve been spying on after 9/11-the Muslims, obviously. It wasn’t the Christians, Buddhists, Atheists, Hindus, NRA, The TEA Party, ie-normal Americans (non-muslims) that smashed planes into the towers-yet we’re all being treated like criminals and in essence creating the police state we had fought hard to avoid.

This is what happens when political correctness dominates foreign and domestic policies. After Pearl Harbor the US detained the Japanese rather than treat every American as a threat, which is the rational course to take.

We should be spying on Chinese immigrants or not allow them to work in our high-tech companies-how many of them need to be caught with laptops full of US top secret technology sneaking out of the country before we wise up?

Unfortunately things are getting uglier and uglier because no one wants to acknowledge the truth which is that Islam is today’s Nazism and the greatest threat to the West and the rest of humanity.

thinkagain on December 29, 2012 at 10:28 AM

The guy who wants crescent badges on Muslims calls Islam today’s Nazism. This is just incredibly brilliant.

Do you possibly share a religion with certain 12th century Europeans? Could it be you’re missing the good old days of Pope Innocent III?

lester on December 30, 2012 at 12:51 PM

This kind of crap is always so amusing… in an I-can’t-believe-how-utterly-stupid some people can be. The left has SEIZED our medical records as of 2014, to the extent that if you tell your doctor about your last BM some bureaucrat down at HHS will know its size and consistency! They’ve FORCED religious people to violate their conscience, and forced us all to purchase the commercial insurance product of THEIR choice. The public discussion in Washington for the last two weeks has been about how they’re going to disarm honest citizens. We’ve got a Supreme Court judge who’s not too sure she can’t force-feed us our broccoli. And we’re supposed to get our panties all bunched up because some terrorist might have his phone calls eavesdropped upon?

When these so-called “civil libertarians” have dispensed with the list above, maybe then they’ll have some credibility in order to protect the privacy of those who would consort with terrorists. In the interim…. *yawn*.

Murf76 on December 29, 2012 at 11:53 AM

BINGO. And gmail reads our email, but hey, it’s George Bush who’s the problem.

And anyone doing so would be correct in doing so. In supporting the Patriot Act you have fallen hook line and sinker for the psychological deception at the heart of the Marxist agenda. Ceding to the government the responsibility and authority for your own personal protection.
SWalker on December 29, 2012 at 11:30 AM

There’s so much stupid in that statement. No wonder the Tea Party is out of favor. What began as a bunch of salt-of-the-earth people fed up with the greed and rapacity of government spending/taxation has been taken over by a bunch of conspiracy theorists and assorted loons (many of whom are Paulnuts)whose sights seem to beset primarily on the GOP. Rather than focus on the Red Diaper Baby in the White House and his circle of Red Diaper Baby Chicago friends you (and your comrades) keep pointing fingers at us. Bush? A Marxist! Romney? A Marxist! Boehner! A Marxist! Buy Danish? A Marxist! Anyone who’s not an anarcho-libertarian is a Marxist!

And if only New York City residents had taken responsibility for their personal security 9/11 never would have happened! Who needs the FBI/CIA/NSA/Army/Navy/Air Force/Marines? All we need is a well-armed militia or something!

Buy Danish on December 30, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Argh. …whose sights seem to be set – two words…

Buy Danish on December 30, 2012 at 12:57 PM

HondaV65: The GOP can’t agree on a plan to reduce entitlements

Rubbish. Gingrich’s Contract with America ended welfare as we know it.

Recall, FoodStamp POTUS Obama (not “The GOP“) gutted TANF reform in July 2012.

Terp Mole on December 30, 2012 at 1:05 PM

The guy who wants crescent badges on Muslims calls Islam today’s Nazism. This is just incredibly brilliant.

Do you possibly share a religion with certain 12th century Europeans? Could it be you’re missing the good old days of Pope Innocent III?

lester on December 30, 2012 at 12:51 PM

You tend to get a little hysterical, don’t you?

Is that because you’re just a typical anti-American leftist who gets the vapors at calling murderers murderers…

or are you just that much of a delicate little flower?

Solaratov on December 30, 2012 at 1:08 PM

lester sneered: The guy who wants crescent badges on Muslims calls Islam today’s Nazism

Here we see a classic specimen of psychological projection. Leftists defending genocidal Islamo-supremacists invariably climb up on their hind legs and invoke Holocaust imagery.

Those interested in exploring the phenomenon in a more scholarly manner may read “Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left
[Library Stacks HN90.R3 H583 2004]

Try harder to avoid aping Chomsky, lester.

Terp Mole on December 30, 2012 at 1:19 PM

The GOP can’t agree on a plan to reduce entitlements – but they CAN agree with Dims to continue undercutting liberty in this nation?

Undercutting and destroying liberty receives true bi-partisan support in both houses.

Gee, wonder why.

CorporatePiggy on December 30, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Terp Mole on December 30, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Do you know what the word “whine” means? Anyhoo,Jazz’s piece was “sarcasm” – about the hypocrisy of the Left who express outrage at the GOP over their policies, but endorse the same policies when the Dem’s are in charge. I may have misconstrued his summary of the legislation, but I was not alone as commenters mostly broke into two camps: Those who disagreed with that assessment (like me) and those who made negative comments about Bush.

Buy Danish on December 30, 2012 at 2:02 PM

The President told the American people exactly what he would do if re-elected and he won. Better start getting used to it.
 
chumpThreads on December 29, 2012 at 9:56 AM

rogerb on December 30, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Two good things about GWB – he prevented bloated Gore and Gigolo Kerry to be presidents.

No more Obama, Clintons and Bushs, ever, unless the land becomes a kingdom or a tyranny.

Schadenfreude on December 30, 2012 at 2:17 PM

because G.W.Bush was right about most of his anti terrorism decisions.

as time passes we seem to forget.

the terrorists ARE out to get us.

as long as the law has to periodically be renewed i’m ok with it.

gerrym51 on December 30, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Two good things about GWB – he prevented bloated Gore and Gigolo Kerry to be presidents.

Point.

No more Obama, Clintons and Bushs, ever, unless the land becomes a kingdom or a tyranny.

Schadenfreude on December 30, 2012 at 2:17 PM

…and Match.

Tim_CA on December 30, 2012 at 3:06 PM

He [Bush] will be remember like Hoover was remembered and for the same reasons.

unseen on December 29, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Please don’t tell me that you believe that Hoover was anything other than a Big Gov Prog.

“The ideas embodied in the New Deal Legislation were a compilation of those which had come to maturity under Herbert Hoover’s aegis. We all of us owed much to Hoover.”

– Rexford Tugwell, economic adviser to and member of FDR’s Brain Trust, 1946

If You Want Obamavilles, Repeat What Hoover Did

In 1932, FDR’s running mate, John Nance Garner, ran around the country calling Hoover a SOCIALIST.

While the Democratic platform in 1932 endorsed several subsidies and regulations, IT DID NOT EMBRACE AN THE ENORMOUS EXPANSION OF FEDERAL POWER. The salient points:

1. “An immediate and drastic reduction of governmental expenditures by abolishing useless commissions and offices, consolidating departments and bureaus, and eliminating extravagance to accomplish a saving of not less than 25% in the cost of the Federal Government.”

2. DENOUNCED believing “WE OUGHT TO CENTRE CONTROL OF EVERYTHING IN WASHINGTON AS RAPIDLY AS POSSIBLE.”

3. Balanced budget. “We favor maintenance of the national credit by a Federal budget annually balanced on the basis of accurate Federal estimate within revenue.”

4. Freer trade and tariffs and low tariffs.

5. Strong dollar. “….a sound currency to be preserved at all hazards.”

6. Non-interventionist foreign policy. “…no interference in the internal affairs of other nations…”

He wanted nothing to do with Wilsonian intervention and did not want to spread democracy around the world. Good Jefferson. Bad Wilson, JFK, LBJ, Bush, Obama, etc. He was a Jeffersonian in foreign policy matters.

7. Free markets. “THE REMOVAL OF GOVERNMENT FROM ALL FIELDS OF PRIVATE ENTERPRISE EXCEPT WHERE NECESSARY TO DEVELOP PUBLIC WORKS AND NATURAL RESOURCES IN THE COMMON INTEREST.”

8. Prohibition. Repeal. Just say “No!” to the Nanny State!!!

9. The document ended with an Andrew Jackson quote: “Equal rights to all; special privilege to none.”

No affirmative action. No set-asides. No mandate to use union labour. No class warfare. No tax exemptions for FOUS (Friends of Uncle Sam).

I might have EASILY supported and voted for FDR in 1932 as opposed to that fat Prog, Hoover. Too bad that FDR didn’t keep his promises. The Great Depression would not have had to wait for alleviation until WWII. It would have been over years before Hitler and Stalin marched into Poland.

Scroll down to “As an aside…” to see how frightening the transformation of FDR was and almost overnight. It was reflected in a movie on which he was an adviser:

It Sure Isn’t The Archangel Gabriel Over The Obama White House

Resist We Much on December 30, 2012 at 3:24 PM

The President told the American people exactly what he would do if re-elected and he won. Better start getting used to it.

chumpThreads on December 29, 2012 at 9:56 AM

All that I can say.

Resist We Much on December 30, 2012 at 3:26 PM

those that think Bush will be “remembered” in the history books as some kind of great mind are nuts. He will be remember like Hoover was remembered and for the same reasons.

unseen on December 29, 2012 at 4:07 PM

+100

bw222 on December 30, 2012 at 3:35 PM

I have a message for Jazz:

If this is your idea of “sarcasm” – “sarcasm” has been confirmed to be generally harmful to a conversation and human development.

THIS kind of “sarcasm” is downright DESTRUCTIVE.

Quit being a jackass, quit publishing words that help The Enemy, and try just telling the straight truth for once – though perhaps, as with Joe Biden, this is not possible for you.

williamg on December 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM

williamg on December 29, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Facts are stubborn things.

Fact is although it may feel like Obama has been President forever he has not yet been President a full four years let along more than that.

But yes as far as I am concerned GW Bush was a worst President than Obama. Though both are horrid. No one wants to go back to what it was like to be a Republican at the end of GW’s first term when we lost everything and almost became extinct as a party.

Tea Party thinking works. But seems that most in the GOP oppose that more than Harry Reid. So it is unlikely the GOP last another four years.

Steveangell on December 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM

gerrym51 on December 30, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Unfortuately, in our age of poltical correctness, Muslim TSA agents pad down nuns while 25 year old Muslims get a pass. How many hundeds of times did Bush43 refer to Islam as the “reigion of peace?”

bw222 on December 30, 2012 at 3:47 PM

But yes as far as I am concerned GW Bush was a worst President than Obama.

Steveangell on December 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM

You’re an idiot.

Solaratov on December 30, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Republicans are huge fans of Police States. Always have been. The political spectrum is a circle. Far Left, Far Right – they both wanna control you.

Slade73 on December 29, 2012 at 9:10 AM

What in the world do George W. Bush and the far right have in common?

bw222 on December 30, 2012 at 3:55 PM

But yes as far as I am concerned GW Bush was a worst President than Obama.

Steveangell on December 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM

You’re an idiot.

Solaratov on December 30, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Tru dat, Solaratov. I disagreed with Bush on most things, didn’t vote for him (wasn’t a citizen in 2000 and called away on an emergency in 2004), and consider him to be far from a great president, but it is just asinine to say that he was worse than Obama. Of course, consider the source…

“Sorry I am a Conservative and Romney is a Communist he actually was taught it by the master Saul Alinsky.”

Steveangell on October 23, 2012 at 12:15 AM

Stevie needs to go back to digging locks for the Panama Canal in the basement and yelling “CHAAAAARRGGE!” as he runs up the stairs known as “San Juan Hill.”

Batshyt crazy doesn’t even begin to describe him.

Resist We Much on December 30, 2012 at 4:09 PM

No more Obama, Clintons and Bushs, ever, unless the land becomes a kingdom or a tyranny.

Schadenfreude on December 30, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Please, please, please, with sugar on top…and chocolate sprinkles…and marshmallows…and pistachios…and Oreo crumbles…and chocolate chunks…and Reese’s Pieces…and walnuts…and M&Ms…and chocolate whipped cream…and Irish coffee-flavoured whipped cream…and a cherry…no, make that three cherries!

Resist We Much on December 30, 2012 at 4:17 PM

and Irish coffee-flavoured whipped cream

Dear lady, that’s “flavored” :)

Welcome to AmeriKa, and I’m so sorry.

Schadenfreude on December 30, 2012 at 4:27 PM

When Mitt was his fathers spokesman George really liked Saul Alinsky the literal writer of the book on how to establish communism in America.

You know you can deny the facts all you want but it does not change them.

Mitt Romney was in fact taught by Saul Alinsky. His followers here on Hot Air sure used his tactics as did Mitt himself against Republicans but not against Obama. Why? Mitt wanted Obama to win only logical answer.

Matt confirmed Mitt never wanted to be President.

Steveangell on December 30, 2012 at 4:57 PM

I read an article on Daily Kos bemoaning the FISA vote and the fact the media hasn’t said a thing about it. I commented that if they wanted the media to complain about the FISA renewal they should have voted for Romney.

Over50 on December 29, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Did your comment get moderated out of existence? ;)

Seriously, though, sticking cameras up everyone’s butt wasn’t/isn’t the solution but it’s more politically correct. The real solution not so much so.

Because of that here we are. Political correctness will be the death of us.

kim roy on December 30, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Steveangell on December 30, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Uh huh.

Buy Danish on December 30, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Wait democrats want privacy, yet they post gun owners addresses?

They want privacy, yet want to confiscate my property?

Screw you people. Go jump off a bridge with your privacy concerns. Bunch of shitbirds.

TX-96 on December 30, 2012 at 5:47 PM

When Joe “Stand Up, God Love Ya” Biden turns in his guns: http://www.rightwingnews.com/democrats/will-joe-biden-voluntarily-give-up-his-shotguns/ I will still cling bitterly to mine.

davidk on December 30, 2012 at 6:02 PM

But yes as far as I am concerned GW Bush was a worst President than Obama.

Steveangell on December 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM

You’re an idiot.

Solaratov on December 30, 2012 at 3:54 PM

+1……..+10 with the fifth consonant in front of the “idiot”…

williamg on December 30, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Not really. The PATRIOT Act and Department of Homeland Security was a reasonable response to the 9/11 attacks. Only a fool witnesses 3,000 of their people die and then says “Clearly, we must not change policy!”

If it wasn’t for that “destruction of personal liberty” and “invasion of privacy” we never would have gotten Najibullah Zazi.

Stoic Patriot on December 29, 2012 at 8:41 AM

A policy change was appropriate but what we got was foolishness to the Nth power.

DFCtomm on December 30, 2012 at 6:12 PM

But yes as far as I am concerned GW Bush was a worst President than Obama.

Steveangell on December 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM

You’re an idiot.

Solaratov on December 30, 2012 at 3:54 PM

I voted for Bush twice, but I’m not sure steveangell is wrong. Bush made bad decisions for, I believe, the right reasons. We occupied two Muslim nations, and sacrificed untold American lives, and five years after we’ve finally left nothing will remain to indicate we were there. I believe that in the end it will prove to have been a waste of blood and money, and so far Obama hasn’t did any thing to come close to that foolishness.

DFCtomm on December 30, 2012 at 6:17 PM

People need to realize the truth of what Pat Buchanan said back in ’96, “The two parties are simply two wings on the same bird of prey.” George Wallace pretty much said the same thing in different words.

There is not enough difference between the two parties on government philosophy to matter. The Dimocrats pass laws that are seriously bad, and the GOP elites set them in concrete. The GOP started as a left wing party that birthed progressivism. The Dimocrats swallowed Progressivism and started the slide with Woodrow Wilson getting us involved in a war that did not concern us that resulted in World War 2. FDR gave us the “New Deal” and started the “takers vs Makers” war we still have now, and the country is rapidly losing.

In none of this has the GOP done anything useful to prevent the events that now stand at our door, and will revolutionize the way we live after they cause the country to descend into 3rd world poverty. If you think the GOP will ever be useful in preventing this, you are deluded. They are the ones that set this up back in the 1860s. A leopard can not change his spots, nor will the GOP ever change. That’s been tried, and the elites are invulnerable to the facts. They don’t care.

Quartermaster on December 30, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Unfortunately things are getting uglier and uglier because no one wants to acknowledge the truth which is that Islam is today’s Nazism and the greatest threat to the West and the rest of humanity.

thinkagain on December 29, 2012 at 10:28 AM

The greatest threat to Americans is our own government and the establishment. We need to learn to leave these other people lane, let them destroy each other. I’m tired of seeing American men and women die building them schools or training their police forces. I’m tired of seeing billions upon billions of our tax dollars got to these countries, or another country for that matter. Islam has just been an excuse to build upon the police state.

MoreLiberty on December 30, 2012 at 6:47 PM

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/s236

42 Republicans, out of 47, voted for this nonsense. Only 3 of those Republicans voted to protect our rights and privacy by voting nay. At one time republicans actually supported individual liberty. We once actually were the part of small government, individual liberty and minding our own business. Now the establishment Republicans aren’t much better than the progressives.

MoreLiberty on December 30, 2012 at 6:54 PM

So it’s better to be a corpse rather than safe just so no one listens in on my phone calls?

Stoic Patriot on December 29, 2012 at 9:09 AM

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. – Benjamin Franklin, 1775

ReformedDeceptiCon on December 30, 2012 at 7:20 PM

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. – Benjamin Franklin, 1775

ReformedDeceptiCon on December 30, 2012 at 7:20 PM

People just don’t seem to get the ideal that freedom is a two edged sword. Freedom to succeed is freedom to fail. Freedom to own guns means there will be an unavoidable amount of gun violence. We should seek to minimize, but we should never think that we can remove those negatives.

DFCtomm on December 30, 2012 at 7:27 PM

Hey, Anybody remember when we FORCED religious people to deny their conscience and allow their children medical care?

Hey, Anybody remember when we FORCED religious people to deny their conscience and allow people to eat at the same lunch counter?

Hey, Anybody remember when we FORCED religious people to deny their conscience and dropped an Atomic bomb on them to stop their war on the USA?

Hey, Anybody remember when we FORCED religious people to deny their conscience and marched in to shut down Auschwitz?

Yeah, those religious types don’t mind the farm, trailer, and project boys doing their dirty work for them as long as the USA keeps protecting their rights.

Observation on December 30, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Typical Jazz

Dante on December 30, 2012 at 8:32 PM

You sound like Obama…blame Bush. Come on, those years are gone, concentrate on what Obama is going to do…besides blame Bush.

rockerpeople on December 30, 2012 at 8:33 PM

You sound like Obama…blame Bush. Come on, those years are gone, concentrate on what Obama is going to do…besides blame Bush.

rockerpeople on December 30, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Bush gave us Obama through his utter failure to pursue conservative principals in his second term while destroying the GOP and losing the Senate and the House. He made the GOP toxic. So toxic we have not recovered but of course he is hardly alone McCain and Romney have kept the GOP toxic even after the Tea Party proved conservative Republicans have majority support in America.

I blame Bush for Obama and will never forgive him McCain or Romney for their selling out the GOP.

Steveangell on December 30, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Bush gave us Obama

The most fundamentally false and perseveratingly repeated memes of Lies by The Left EVER!

williamg on December 30, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Bush gave us Obama

The most fundamentally false and perseveratingly repeated memes of Lies by The Left EVER!

williamg on December 30, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Bush messed up so badly that almost no Republican won in 2008. Bush destroyed the GOP brand with increased spending. To argue any different is to simply ignore the facts of history. Bush was hated by a majority of Republicans when he finally left office.

Yes Bush gave us Obama and the Democrats a filibuster proof Senate and a large majority in the House. That is what happens when you have a horrible leader as President of a Party.

Steveangell on December 31, 2012 at 1:58 AM

Bush definitely gave us Obama. No question about it. It allowed the Dems to put up the absolute worst and most Leftist person they could find and elect him when this would normally be impossible.

MrX on December 31, 2012 at 3:01 AM

Bush definitely gave us Obama. No question about it. It allowed the Dems to put up the absolute worst and most Leftist person they could find and elect him when this would normally be impossible.

MrX on December 31, 2012 at 3:01 AM

Totally agree.

I admire both of the Bush Presidents for the way they respected the troops and conducted the war overseas. They also appointed a few good Supreme Court judges.

But what was so frustrating was this other extreme. Fighting the war on terror over seas but allowing our border open here. Handing Ted Kennedy our schools system. Bowing to the Democrats and creating both TSA and Homeland Security. He was opposed to both. But then caved for no reason at all. The public didn’t want TSA or Homeland either. The whole idea of creating another layer of bureaucracy to fix too much bureaucracy was a ridiculous proposal. There was no pressure from the public to do it. He said he was against it and then he just caved. Was it Karl Rove? God only knows.

JellyToast on December 31, 2012 at 8:14 AM

Will the next President also be able to get away with blaming everything on Bush too?

krome on December 31, 2012 at 11:19 AM

I am still glad that Dubya was president that horrible morning of 9/11/01, instead of Bubba or the Manchurian President we have now.

kingsjester on December 31, 2012 at 11:21 AM

Please don’t tell me that you believe that Hoover was anything other than a Big Gov Prog.

Resist We Much on December 30, 2012 at 3:24 PM

excatly. And please don’t tell me that you believe that Bush was anything other than a Big Gov Prog.

Like I said Bush will be remembered as Hoover and for the same reasons.

unseen on December 31, 2012 at 12:52 PM

And they’re a fine family, w/ exemplary records of service and they’re great Americans.

Tim_CA on December 29, 2012 at 4:20 PM

That’s hilarious.

Dante on December 31, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Bush gave us Obama

The most fundamentally false and perseveratingly repeated memes of Lies by The Left EVER!

williamg on December 30, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Only someone who is:

1. An Idiot, or
2. Is from another country, or
3. Lives here but hates America so much they have never learned about voting and The Constitution,

…would say anyone other than the majority of the electorate as delineated by the Electoral College, which BOOOOOSH does not control, gave us Obama.

williamg on December 31, 2012 at 6:15 PM

That’s hilarious.

Dante on December 31, 2012 at 3:38 PM

lol.

Now, now.

Tim_CA on December 31, 2012 at 6:38 PM

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