Sure sounds like that fiscal cliff summit ended badly; Update: Obama wants vote on his plan if Senate can’t reach deal

posted at 5:10 pm on December 28, 2012 by Allahpundit

No comment yet from the Republican side, but I’m thinking … this doesn’t bode well:

Pelosi said afterward that she thought the meeting was “candid” and “constructive” and “moved us forward, so yeah — bad vibes galore.

Oh, and contrary to this morning’s expectations, Obama reportedly did not plan to float a new offer at the meeting. His strategy was to ask Boehner, McConnell, Reid, and Pelosi for a viable counterproposal and, if none was offered, to then request an up-or-down vote on his old offer of tax hikes on earners who make $250,000 or more. Which makes sense: As I’ve explained ad nauseam, he really has no incentive to compromise before January 1. He’s now basically daring Boehner to let the GOP caucus vote down his plan before Tuesday — the “Obama middle-class tax cuts,” as I assume he’ll now be calling it — and then let the media go to work on them if they do. And if they don’t, if he gets 30 Republicans to cave and join Democrats in passing this thing, then he’ll have furthered his secondary goal of driving a wedge in the House GOP caucus.

Via the Daily Caller, here’s Krauthammer last night grimly saluting Obama for his skill in achieving that secondary goal. Stand by for updates as congressional aides start whispering about what really happened at today’s meeting.

Update: The One speaketh. 5:45 p.m. ET.

Update: Hmmmm.

Update: Looks like the baton has been formally handed to Reid:

Update: Key bit from O’s presser: He’ll let Reid and McConnell try to reach a deal on the income threshold for tax hikes, but if they can’t then he wants Reid to bring the Obama plan for tax increases on everyone who makes $250K or more up for a vote. That’s a win/win/win situation for him potentially if it comes to that. Could be that he’ll get enough panicky Republican votes in both chambers to actually pass the thing at the last minute. Could be that Senate Republicans will filibuster it, in which case he gets to blame the GOP. Or it could be that the Senate will pass it with Republican votes and then the House GOP will kill it, in which case he gets to blame the GOP and tout the fact that those darned “tea-party radicals” wouldn’t approve a bill that even Senate Republicans voted for.

Per that last point, the real angle here, I think, is to use the Senate as leverage against the House. If O’s bill (or the Reid/McConnell bill) passes the upper chamber, it’ll place all the pressure of avoiding the cliff on the House and give Republican fencesitters there some bipartisan cover to vote for it.

Update: A little extra pressure from O on Boehner and McConnell, bully-pulpit style:


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kim roy on December 28, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Elections have consequences..unfortunately..:(

Dire Straits on December 28, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Of course, the GOP is off to the links instead of putting out a stern message prior to the rat bastard taking the podium. And some people wonder why we lose elections…

Mr. Arrogant on December 28, 2012 at 6:06 PM

I think that Avik Roy has sound advice for the GOP members of the House and the Senate.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/336568/dont-drink-inside-beltway-fiscal-cliff-kool-aid-avik-roy

onlineanalyst on December 28, 2012 at 6:07 PM

renalin on December 28, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Why laugh on the inside when you can laugh on the outside? Better than crying for our Republic.

Fenris on December 28, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Why do tax cuts have an expire date. And laws for that matter. Nothing but to create a trap for the loser and that side changes for the topic. Remove the expire date and set it and do not touch it for points on you base.

tjexcite on December 28, 2012 at 6:08 PM

I hate it when they pre-empt The Five for this little Marxist punk.

petefrt on December 28, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Meanwhile: http://joshuapundit.blogspot.com/2012/12/a-game-change-in-syria.html

davidk on December 28, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Obama offering aid and comfort to a sworn enemy of the USA and not being executed for treason?

Must be another day.

tom daschle concerned on December 28, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Viva la fiscal cliff!
I look forward to the spending cuts in the sequestration and the Democrats can take the blame for the tax increases.

FloatingRock on December 28, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Shut it down.

Bmore on December 28, 2012 at 6:13 PM

it’ll place all the pressure on avoiding the cliff on the House and give Republican fencesitters there some bipartisan cover to vote for it.

wonderful/

cmsinaz on December 28, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Better than watching the country implode that’s for sure.

gophergirl on December 28, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Great point..I will be rooting for your teams..:)

Dire Straits on December 28, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Why do tax cuts have an expire date. And laws for that matter. Nothing but to create a trap for the loser and that side changes for the topic. Remove the expire date and set it and do not touch it for points on you base.

tjexcite on December 28, 2012 at 6:08 PM

it was the only way Bush could get them passed, otherwise, they would have never passed through congress. If I remember correctly
Mccain threatening and other congressmen were threatening to vote against them,

ChunkyLover on December 28, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Which makes sense: As I’ve explained ad nauseam, he really has no incentive to compromise before January 1.

When did you start explaining this ad nauseam Allahpundit? I told you AND Ed long ago that when you two were holding out hope could fashion a deal that would be accepted by Obama if we only would do this or that were being foolish. You also seemed to both reject and accept the Republicans fate in negotiations from the MSM by stating that the Republicans would no doubt get the blame but could avoid the blame with Plan B which is contradicted if you think that kind of inside baseball doesn’t move numbers. I give you the Ryan Budget and the Senate not passing one for a CLEAR example that Republican good works in passing legislation isn’t rewarded and you guys both acknoweldge that at the same time.

We ALWAYS were going over the cliff and there was nothing to do to prevent it and Obama just used this pre-Jan 3rd period to tie you both along with much of the pundit class in knots.

Conan on December 28, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Elections have consequences..unfortunately..:(

Dire Straits on December 28, 2012 at 6:06 PM

For sure. It seems to be too much to ask that the GOP at least have their heads in the game and be able to work the media to at least get their words out or at least seem to have a plan. It’s impossible to see if there was any idea of a coherent idea on to deal with this on the GOP side.

At this point they are just grabbing their ankles and let the narrative be taken over. If we are going to have to accept that elections have consequences (which is expected), at least be able to articulate how the liberals are screwing up.

They can’t even do that right.

kim roy on December 28, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Bmore on December 28, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Good evening friend but I think you mean “Dive off the cliff”..:)

Dire Straits on December 28, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Whoa! The president is going to sit down with a potential criminal that has illegal contraband?!?!?!?!?!?

ButterflyDragon on December 28, 2012 at 6:19 PM

kim roy on December 28, 2012 at 6:16 PM

In reality there is no reason for Boehner to run out and issue a statement with Obie speaking..The noise will drown Boehner message out..I would have waited also..:)

Dire Straits on December 28, 2012 at 6:19 PM

Shut it down.

Bmore on December 28, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Last one out, turn off the lights and lock the door.

Heck, leave the lights on and the door open. That way, it’ll be easier for the looters and moochers to find and take stuff Weeeee!

Fallon on December 28, 2012 at 6:19 PM

kim roy on December 28, 2012 at 6:16 PM

But I see your point..:)

Dire Straits on December 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Gregory better leave the “high cap” mag at home Sunday. Otherwise, Secret Service will be all over him.

Wait a minute. No they won’t. He’s part of the royalty.

Never mind.

FiveG on December 28, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Obama wants vote on his plan if Senate can’t reach deal

Another 97-0 NO vote?

22044 on December 28, 2012 at 6:22 PM

My guess a deal gets done

$400,000 cut off on taxes
1 year increase of debt ceiling
No stimulus
Cuts come from defense, ObamaCare, Sandy aid package and creative war accounting

No one will be happy and it will split the country even further.

gophergirl on December 28, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Repubs are M.I.A

No leadership
No message
No agreement
No idea on what foot to put forward.

Watched the speak and out Obama just did….man, this is going to be a long 4 yrs for republicans. You are being talked to like the children that you are acting like.

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on December 28, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Excited to announce that President @barackobama will be my exclusive guest this Sunday on @meetthepress nbcnews.to/W9Ykim #MTP

— David Gregory (@davidgregory) December 28, 2012

Will be wearing *MY* little blue dress from @GAP and kneepads from @Blackhawk to perform a tactical chakra release
#commie
#inthecloset
#felon
#disgracetojournalism
nbcnews.to/694Uok#MTP

— David Gregory (@davidgregory) December 28, 2012

CorporatePiggy on December 28, 2012 at 6:28 PM

He’s now basically daring Boehner to let the GOP caucus vote down his plan before Tuesday — the “Obama middle-class tax cuts,” as I assume he’ll now be calling it — and then let the media go to work on them if they do.

It does not have to be that way. If the House GOP would just pass a tax cut for the middle class (under $500 K, nice round number that looks balanced)that is bigger than the Bush Tax cuts (and thus Obama’s tax cuts) with spending cuts and dare the Senate and Obama to kill it. Obviously don’t deal with the debt ceiling now because that is a useful chip for the GOP for more spending cuts.

In order to do that the GOP leadership would have to be smart, which they are not, and the hardcore fiscal conservatives who hopefully will have more power soon in the GOP if Boehner goes, will realize they have to play the cards they have right now. Still got the debt ceiling to play with (which is more important then the cliff and tax rates at this point) but there are bigger battles that must be won before then…like a leadership change in the GOP.

And if the Senate kills it…it is on them….

William Eaton on December 28, 2012 at 6:28 PM

I think we have a winner in fenris

cmsinaz on December 28, 2012 at 6:02 PM

I like the cut of his jib.

Jaibones on December 28, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Barry CANNOT have a deal… the Obamacare taxes kick in Jan 1st, and he needs them hidden by the expiration of the Bush cuts…

the “deal” will come before the Inauguration, but certainly not before anyone who makes less that $150k/year gets to see there first check of the year.

phreshone on December 28, 2012 at 6:32 PM

LOL – paid obama propagandist and fellow gun-grabber, David Gregory, get’s the “exclusive”!

Commie turds … ACTIVATE!

Pork-Chop on December 28, 2012 at 6:33 PM

But I see your point..:)

Dire Straits on December 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM

;) It’s not only today, but the last four years I’m yammering away about. Today’s a lost cause to get the message out, I do agree.

kim roy on December 28, 2012 at 6:34 PM

gophergirl. I hope that the Rs don’t give up the debt ceiling. About six months, not a year seems right.

can’t I be in the middle. I agree that the Rs aren’t doing good messaging. But I don’t what you and the No Labels crowd want.. bowing before Obama and completely capitulating is wise strategy.

Illinidiva on December 28, 2012 at 6:35 PM

Good evening friend but I think you mean “Dive off the cliff”..:)

Dire Straits on December 28, 2012 at 6:16 PM

What could go wrong?

Fallon on December 28, 2012 at 6:36 PM

kim roy on December 28, 2012 at 6:34 PM

To be honest with you the GOP gambled that they would win the election(s) and lost..:(

Dire Straits on December 28, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Jaibones on December 28, 2012 at 6:31 PM

I just wrote what you all were thinking anyway. Good Lord Obama’s so transparent, but people love him. Gotta go, I’m missing “The Rifleman”.

Fenris on December 28, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Fallon on December 28, 2012 at 6:36 PM

Very good analogy..:)

Dire Straits on December 28, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Why laugh on the inside when you can laugh on the outside? Better than crying for our Republic.

Fenris on December 28, 2012 at 6:08 PM

i was in a work setting, so have to keep renalin in a box.

outside of work i’d definitely laugh on the outside…to hide the tears inside.

renalin on December 28, 2012 at 6:39 PM

David Gregory peed in his pants before he tweeted that about MTP didn’t he?

Traitorous media

PappyD61 on December 28, 2012 at 6:43 PM

How about the Senate pass a budget first.

CW on December 28, 2012 at 6:45 PM

One key graf from the Avik Roy link above:

The most common conservative rejoinder to these arguments is political: that Republicans will be blamed if we go over the cliff, and that will cost them in the next election. I don’t agree with that argument, as I’ve written previously, for two reasons: (1) the next election is as far away as an election can be; (2) Republicans will never be able to build a political case for less spending if most Americans are insulated from the cost of that spending.

Obysmal has been protected from his profligate spending because the Bush rates were extended. Too many taxpayers have no idea how deeply into debt we are because they have not paid for Preezy Credit Card’s spree.

No way should there be any weakening. The next “game” that Obysmal plans to play with his honcho Geithner is an upping of the credit ceiling. Just say NO!

onlineanalyst on December 28, 2012 at 6:45 PM

David Gregory peed in his pants before he tweeted that about MTP didn’t he?

Maybe Obysmal will appear wearing a holster with two six-shooters in order to make a dramatic statement.

onlineanalyst on December 28, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Watched the speak and out Obama just did….man, this is going to be a long 4 yrs for republicans. You are being talked to like the children that you are acting like.
Can.I.get.it.in.the.anal on December 28, 2012 at 6:25 PM

It will be a long 4 years for working people. Obama’s layabout base will be fine. Nice English, btw.

The Count on December 28, 2012 at 6:47 PM

test

wyntre9 on December 28, 2012 at 6:51 PM

ZOMG… The above troll’s hero.. Jon Huntsman will totally like save us..

Illinidiva on December 28, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Why in the world would the House repubs go along with a $450,000 threshold for tax increases when they turned down Boehner’s Plan B of $1 million?

I don’t get it.

wyntre9 on December 28, 2012 at 6:53 PM

I thought NBC announced Gregory would NOT be hosting this Sunday’s show because he was scheduled for “vacation.” (In light of the “crime” of brandishing a multi-cartridge rifle magazine on last week’s MTP).

wyntre9 on December 28, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Why in the world would the House repubs go along with a $450,000 threshold for tax increases when they turned down Boehner’s Plan B of $1 million?

I don’t get it.

wyntre9 on December 28, 2012 at 6:53 PM

The other problem with Plan B for many fiscal conservatives was they wanted any tax increases paired with spending cuts in the government. Plan B was not good enough on that end and thus they opposed it.

So any plan the GOP leadership comes up with better have some solid spending cuts in it.

William Eaton on December 28, 2012 at 7:01 PM

William Eaton on December 28, 2012 at 7:01 PM

There WONT be any spending cuts that will get passed. Are you not paying attention? It would not matter. Dems will not vote for that.

watertown on December 28, 2012 at 7:04 PM

To be honest with you the GOP gambled that they would win the election(s) and lost..:(

Dire Straits on December 28, 2012 at 6:37 PM

That’s an excellent way to look at it. Gambling is like a “seat of the pants” way to deal with something and the GOP certainly looked disorganized, lost and unprepared.

You’d hope going into an election it would be less risk-based and more planned out and every possible scenario and issue that could happen be accounted for and ready to deal with.

Give the dems credit – they knew what they needed to do and the GOP didn’t.

kim roy on December 28, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Wasn’t ‘OBama’s plan’ voted down by the Senate several months ago by a vote of 99-0?

rayra on December 28, 2012 at 7:08 PM

And all of this could have been avoided by passing Plan B. But hey, why be smart?

Zaggs on December 28, 2012 at 7:18 PM

To be honest with you the GOP gambled that they would win the election(s) and lost..:(

Dire Straits on December 28, 2012 at 6:37 PM

I am glad someone else finally gets how we got here. Obama calculated he would win re-election and we would be where we are now and he could do what he is doing now.

Why did Obama extend the Bush tax cuts till Jan 3,2013? Because like he says it was a bad time to raise taxes on anybody? PLEASE!!! I hope the current Obama bluster tells all of those who believed it what he really thinks.

The current box the GOP is in is your answer and trying to get out of it is making it worse. Just go off the cliff boys and then deal with it. Stop making deals with Obama about where you will START after Jan 3rd.

Conan on December 28, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Don’t forget your bib that matches your kneepads, David Gregory.

gsherin on December 28, 2012 at 7:21 PM

It’s like watching a couple of kids after they went on a rampage and vandalized all the neighbors houses and wrecked their cars and racked up their credit cards. They got caught and now the neighbors want restitution and have given them 24 hours to come up with an acceptable plan. Only the kids don’t have any money and they have no idea how to get themselves out of this mess except to borrow money to pay for it. That’s our government for you.

scalleywag on December 28, 2012 at 7:32 PM

So if Reid gets something through the senate and it then goes to the House and it includes tax hikes on everyone making, say, $400G a year, what makes anyone think the house will pass it after they threw out Boehner’s plan?

I don’t get it. Do the repubs have a death wish? Does Boehner?

Or is that the plan. Vote it down and then the pos gets the super gavel to pound repubs with for raising everyone’s taxes?

And then, a couple of weeks down the road, he passes his own pos tax cuts?

D@mn it. If a political newbie like me can figure it out WTF is wrong with the idiots getting paid to do this.

It stinks.

Not to mention the inconvenient truth the dims have not even passed a budget in 4 years.

wyntre9 on December 28, 2012 at 7:33 PM

I think that Avik Roy has sound advice for the GOP members of the House and the Senate.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/336568/dont-drink-inside-beltway-fiscal-cliff-kool-aid-avik-roy

onlineanalyst on December 28, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Excellent link, onlineanalyst. This article is a definite MUST-READ for every GOP rep/senator… and especially our inept leaders.

It is the best argument for LetItBurn that I have read so far.

The key excerpt:

The most common conservative rejoinder to these arguments is political: that Republicans will be blamed if we go over the cliff, and that will cost them in the next election. I don’t agree with that argument, as I’ve written previously, for two reasons:

(1) the next election is as far away as an election can be;
(2) Republicans will never be able to build a political case for less spending if most Americans are insulated from the cost of that spending.

Now if only our leaders will take note and act accordingly.

Let…it…burn!!!

TheRightMan on December 28, 2012 at 7:34 PM

So when did THIS change?

DC police investigating “Meet the Press,” David Gregory, who will not be hosting Sunday

Politico

David Gregory will not be hosting “Meet the Press” this week because he is on vacation, reports Politico. His absence was planned before D.C. police started investigating the Sunday morning show and its host for displaying on-air what they described as a 30-round gun magazine. Police told ABC News that the network had requested permission to use “a high capacity magazine for their segment” and that “their request was denied.”

wyntre9 on December 28, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Excited to announce that President @BarackObama will be my exclusive guest this Sunday …

Yeah. I can hear the first question…. “How hard has it been on you personally to deal with stonewalling racist gun loving Republicans?”

Second question…. “When will you disband congress and appoint yourself King?”

JellyToast on December 28, 2012 at 7:43 PM

…suckers.

equanimous on December 28, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Just in case everyone needs a touch of deja vu for the day:

Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20026069-503544.html

B-Ri on December 28, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Why do tax cuts have an expire date. And laws for that matter. Nothing but to create a trap for the loser and that side changes for the topic. Remove the expire date and set it and do not touch it for points on you base.

tjexcite on December 28, 2012 at 6:08 PM

The house passed a bill earlier this year the made all of the Bush tax cuts permanent. The Senate has not done anything with the bill. Originally making the law temporary was the only way to get it passed.

Maybe the solution is to vote for the tax increase on say $400k and above but make it for one year only.

Dasher on December 28, 2012 at 7:47 PM

Oh and then vote present when it actually comes for a vote.

Dasher on December 28, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Ummm wasn’t David Gregory taking this Sunday off?

Dear leader says jump and lsm says how high

cmsinaz on December 28, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Could be that he’ll get enough panicky Republican votes in both chambers to actually pass the thing at the last minute.

Bet on it.

And we won’t forget it.

We slapped the RINO’s around in 2010, and we’ll do it again.

Tim_CA on December 28, 2012 at 7:57 PM

I thought NBC announced Gregory would NOT be hosting this Sunday’s show because he was scheduled for “vacation.” (In light of the “crime” of brandishing a multi-cartridge rifle magazine on last week’s MTP).

wyntre9 on December 28, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Oh that… That’s all behind David Gregory now. Just like the insider trading scandal is already behind Congress. Just like congress absolved itself of the Friends Of Angelo scandal. Just like the ruling class is never held accountable for any of their wrongdoing.

FloatingRock on December 28, 2012 at 7:59 PM

…just like Corzine’s Ponzy scheme is behind him now, just like Fast and Furious is behind Obama and the “Justice” Department now, and so on….

FloatingRock on December 28, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Dear leader says jump and lsm says how high

cmsinaz on December 28, 2012 at 7:48 PM

King Putt says S#it and they ask what color and consistency he would like.

Rio Linda Refugee on December 28, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Let.It.Burn.

Solaratov on December 28, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Excited to announce that President @barackobama will be my exclusive guest this Sunday on @meetthepress nbcnews.to/W9Ykim #MTP

— David Gregory (@davidgregory) December 28, 2012

The vacay-prez with the scofflaw-journolister!

ajacksonian on December 28, 2012 at 8:17 PM

The other problem with Plan B for many fiscal conservatives was they wanted any tax increases paired with spending cuts in the government. Plan B was not good enough on that end and thus they opposed it.

So any plan the GOP leadership comes up with better have some solid spending cuts in it.

William Eaton on December 28, 2012 at 7:01 PM

http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/12/plan-b-fails-now-the-house-needs-to-consider-plan-c/

davidk on December 28, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Heh
Rio linda :)

cmsinaz on December 28, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Who’s up for some Sharia justice? http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/12/sharia-honor-code-.html

davidk on December 28, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Um, I know I’m being all legalistic here and everything, but aren’t bills that raise revenue supposed to originate in the House, as per Article I, Section 7 of that trifling little document known as the Constitution? I know it’s passe in Washington right now, but…

Athanasius on December 28, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Give the dems credit – they knew what they needed to do and the GOP didn’t.

kim roy on December 28, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Point granted..:)

PS..But the voters elected Obie..And as the saying goes..”Here we go!”..:)

PSS..The GOP has to get out of this “circular firing squad” approach..:(

Dire Straits on December 28, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Obama wants vote on his plan if Senate can’t reach deal

…if it’s anything like the budgets JugEars presented the last couple of years….

KOOLAID2 on December 28, 2012 at 8:28 PM

David Gregory✔
@davidgregory

Excited to announce that President @BarackObama will be my exclusive guest this Sunday on @meetthepress nbcnews.to/W9Ykim #MTP

…so he will have his knee pads on under his slacks, a bib on in case he can’t wipe his chin fast enough…and… an extra large container of salve?
…who will be responsible for the condoms?…or is that just not an issue?

KOOLAID2 on December 28, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Obama can blame the Republicans all he wants, as he blames all his shortcomings on others anyway, but we take in 6 billion daily and spend 10 billion, so the out of control spending is the problem. Taxing working people to support the over spending is wrong, and is not the answer.

Amazingoly on December 28, 2012 at 8:41 PM

cnbc

davidk on December 28, 2012 at 8:43 PM

I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT HOTAIRS POP UP ADS PISS ME OFF. ON IPAD OR WINDOWS THEY SHUT MY SYSTEMS DOWN AND I HAVE TO LEAVE THE SIGHT THEN RE-ENTER TO VIEW. I AM ABOUT TO GIVE UP ON THE SITE. USED TO BE BETTER BEFORE BIG BUSINESS TOOK OVER. HELP US OUT HERE CAP’N.

UncleZeb on December 28, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Put Obama in the Mustang with Thelma and Louise…

Let it burn…

Khun Joe on December 28, 2012 at 8:47 PM

UncleZeb on December 28, 2012 at 8:45 PM

I felt the same way.

Switched over to Firefox and AdBlock. BP down 10 points.

davidk on December 28, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Damn! That “community organizer” is good!

chumpThreads on December 28, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Why in the world would the House repubs go along with a $450,000 threshold for tax increases when they turned down Boehner’s Plan B of $1 million?

Because they do not want to be voting for the Obama tax cuts in January.

smokin hot politics on December 28, 2012 at 9:08 PM

There WONT be any spending cuts that will get passed. Are you not paying attention? It would not matter. Dems will not vote for that.

watertown on December 28, 2012 at 7:04 PM

Probably not…but this has nothing to do with passing anything this is about denying Obama his chance to claim credit for the middle class tax cut. You can only do that by the GOP purposing their own middle class tax cut that is bigger than the Obama (really Bush) version.

Have you been paying attention to the NRA these last two weeks? They did not sit on their hands and do nothing, and they did not just say we are against gun control…they changed the game and the narrative by purposing a plan and getting one every media outlet they could to confront MSM hosts who tried to denounce them. Thus it got their plan out to the people.

William Eaton on December 28, 2012 at 9:16 PM

William Eaton on December 28, 2012 at 9:16 PM

That’s called leadership. We have no leadership in the GOP.

davidk on December 28, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Damn! That “community organizer” is good!

chumpThreads on December 28, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Borrowing and blowing over 5 trillion dollars and still having the worst recovery since the Depression should take special skills.

But it could just be gross incompetence.

Chuck Schick on December 28, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Put Obama in the Mustang with Thelma and Louise…

Let it burn…

Khun Joe on December 28, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Great idea!

Slight quibble..

Let’s make it better by making it the original ’66 T-Bird in the movie.

MUCH heavier car – much better impact and crater.

The momentum of 0bama’s ego alone will gouge out a pit that makes the Winslow, Arizona meteor crater look like a popped zit.

cane_loader on December 28, 2012 at 9:43 PM

That’s called leadership. We have no leadership in the GOP.

davidk on December 28, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Well we do, it’s just not the type conservatives—or anyone with sense is comfortable with.

arnold ziffel on December 28, 2012 at 9:44 PM

I think everyone involved has lost perspective.

The House proposes; the Senate disposes.

It needs to be kept VERY simple.

The House should resubmit the Ryan budget, pass it tonight, and re-submit it to the Senate.

If Harry Reid rejects it again, THEN IT’S ON HIM!!!!!!

No other intricacies required.

Were I a congressman right now, I would be raising the roof on the House floor to do exactly that.

There would be no way for the MSM to totally twist that….. a House budget that Reid refuses to allow to come to a vote.

Boehner et al have lost perspective.

KISS. Keep It Simple, Stupid.

cane_loader on December 28, 2012 at 9:48 PM

That’s called leadership. We have no leadership in the GOP.

davidk on December 28, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Correct and I agree with the Legal Insurrection post you linked to above see here

The point is the GOP needs a leadership change and that has more to do with Boehner who is not cut out for being a leader. Everyone is getting caught up in the Tea Party vs. Establishment debate or whatever, but my biggest problem with Boehner is his political skill and messaging. He always looks like he cringing and acting like he is about to get his ass kicked. The man is scared of the MSM, the democrats, and most of all Obama.

I mean maybe they should vote for Wayne LaPierre as the speaker of the house. Obviously that is not possible, but find someone with a clue on how to work the media to your own ends even when they hate you. Look at the NRA approval ratings. They are better than Obama’s ratings…

William Eaton on December 28, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Obama wants a vote on HIS plan if no deal can be struck…His plan? How does he get that, does Nancy Pelosi draw it up and introduce it to the House? who acts for the president in the House? Is it a courtesy that the Speaker puts out the presidents plan, and then they vote it up or down? Who writes it up? Obama has never put pen to paper in his life, he is as lazy as they come.

Fleuries on December 28, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Fallon on December 28, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Actually, I don’t disagree with your edits. My suggestion was only a path out of the woods for Bonehead, politically. He could point to the spending cuts to justify the tax cuts, while imposing higher rates (or rather reduced deductions) for all the rich Progressives in NY and CA. I would prefer to go over the cliff cleanly, letting everyone pay for the big government they voted for.

2ndMAW68 on December 28, 2012 at 10:02 PM

WHERE ARE THE PATHETIC Conservatives in Congress to oppose OJesus?

Politicians should be____________.

But of course………WE KEEP VOTING FOR THEM!!!!

PappyD61 on December 28, 2012 at 10:40 PM

I find it hilarious that GOP “leaders” are getting their assses handed to them by a 2-bit douchebag punk.

SouthernGent on December 28, 2012 at 10:49 PM

No deal is the best deal we will get.

The GOP needs to understand that no matter what they do, the MSM and half the population will blame them for all the country’s problems. Heck, the Democrats controlled all of Congress and the White House for 2 years and the GOP is still blamed for the results.

Over50 on December 28, 2012 at 11:48 PM

I find it hilarious that GOP “leaders” are getting their assses handed to them by a 2-bit douchebag punk.

SouthernGent on December 28, 2012 at 10:49 PM

I see, a fan of “Bizzaro World” like myself.

arnold ziffel on December 29, 2012 at 12:26 AM

May the Charlatan destroy all the Fools.

May they then all go diving into the cliff, heads first, him leading the pack.

The land has been robbed of the last shred of decency by Obamahood.

Schadenfreude on December 29, 2012 at 1:27 AM

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