Are you ready for the big fiscal cliff summit?

posted at 12:31 pm on December 28, 2012 by Allahpundit

3 p.m. ET in the White House. No reporters, no cameras, just five people sitting around a table wasting each other’s time while an excruciatingly bored pundit class waits for smoke signals afterward.

This is the part of the Scooby Doo episode where Shaggy and Scoob get chased by the “monster.” I wonder how it’ll end.

Lawmakers seemed as pessimistic as ever about averting the fiscal cliff Thursday evening despite the White House scheduling a meeting with the top four congressional leaders for Friday afternoon.

The White House announced that President Barack Obama would meet with Speaker John A. Boehner, R-Ohio; House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.; Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.; and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky…

Republican Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., said the GOP had expected the White House to deliver a new proposal Thursday, which never arrived, and that the meeting with the White House was originally supposed to be in the morning and was later pushed to the afternoon. Corker said that suggests to him the meeting might be more for “optics” than for cutting a deal, and he said it’s becoming more likely that the next Congress will have to deal with the cliff. The failure to address a problem two years in the making is a total “dereliction of duty,” Corker said.

Two obvious possibilities. One is that they’ll try to hash out a short-term deal that will extend the Bush tax cuts across the board for another few months while they continue broader negotiations, possibly including tax reform. Why jump off a fiscal cliff today when you can jump off another in the spring? A short-term fix might appeal to both sides since Boehner won’t have to worry about the upcoming Speaker election and O will have more Dems in the House and Senate to add to his leverage. Two is that Obama might unspool that last-minute “scaled-back” plan that people were whispering about yesterday but which never happened. According to Politico, Republicans are saying privately that they want Obama to up his offer on the new threshold for tax hikes from $250,000 to $500,000. (One Republican senator told NRO that a bill with a $500K cut-off would pass both chambers.) I don’t know why he’d do that now when he can dive off the cliff next week and then give a big speech proposing “the Obama middle-class tax cut” for those who earn less than $250K. House Democrats would support it unanimously (or nearly unanimously) and there’d likely be 30 panicked Republicans willing to join them.

Just one hitch, though: If you believe Boehner, he won’t bring any bill to the floor unless a majority of the Republican caucus supports it.

On the packed GOP members-only call, Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., asked Boehner, R-Ohio, whether he would allow Democrats to carry a bill if the Senate passed a bill to which most House Republicans would object.

“I’m not interested in that,” Boehner remarked, according to a source on the call.

The speaker’s intention to stay steadfast means a rocky final stretch before Congress plummets off the fiscal cliff. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada tried to put pressure right back on Boehner by asking him to take up the bill the Senate passed earlier this year that extends the 2001 and 2003 tax rates on the first $250,000 of American’s annual income.

Could be he’s lying and just saying that now in order to pressure Obama into upping his offer, but having committed to it publicly, it’d be hard for him to walk away later. Question, then: How does Boehner get Obama to come off his $250,000 offer when O will have more leverage by going over the cliff, not less? One possible answer is to sweeten the pot by agreeing to raise the debt ceiling for another year. But could Boehner get a majority of Republicans to go along with that? Supposedly he had around 180-190 votes for Plan B; how many more would he lose for a compromise bill with Obama that lowers Plan B’s threshold for new taxes from $1 million to $500K and gives O what he wants on the debt ceiling?

Exit question via Marc Thiessen: Why not let it burn instead?

Update: HuffPo’s hearing rumbles that Obama will indeed make a “scaled-back” proposal at the meeting:

House Republicans expect Obama may offer to extend the Bush-era tax rates for incomes under $400,000, as he had done previously before negotiations blew up. The president had originally argued that any scaled-back deal should set that threshold at $250,000. Republicans still may insist that it be set at $500,000.

In addition, Republicans would be granted an extension of the current estate tax, which is a 35 percent rate over a $5 million threshold. The president wants a 45 percent rate on a $3.5 million threshold but would likely be willing to bend, in part because congressional Democrats are skittish about his proposal.

The deal would include an extension of unemployment benefits and various tax breaks for businesses and lower-income workers. In a concession to Republicans, it would not include the infrastructure funding that the president has requested to help stimulate economic growth. It would also allow the current payroll tax cut to expire, meaning that individuals would see larger withholdings in their paychecks.

The deal would delay sequestration, which if left in place would result in roughly $1 trillion in spending cuts over the next decade. It would leave the debt ceiling issue unresolved.

O’s going to come off of his $250K offer and hand the debt-ceiling issue back to the GOP so that we can go through another standoff over spending cuts in the spring? I know how I’d vote on that if I were a Republican legislator. And I know how I’d vote on it if I were a Democratic one.

Update: Hmmmm:


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John the Libertarian on May 24, 2013 at 2:33 AM

lolz..Good deal!..Let’s pass it on to our children and we will have completed the circle..:)

Dire Straits on May 24, 2013 at 2:45 AM

canopfor on May 24, 2013 at 2:41 AM

Thanks for the link friend..:)

Dire Straits on May 24, 2013 at 2:47 AM

Dire Straits on May 24, 2013 at 2:45 AM

Goodnight, Dire!

John the Libertarian on May 24, 2013 at 2:49 AM

Holy BOINK:

Moscow Shaker:

Carry On,…….Night once again Patriots:)

Update: Tremors were felt in central Moscow, prompting some people to evacuate from buildings – @AP

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canopfor on May 24, 2013 at 2:50 AM

John the Libertarian on May 24, 2013 at 2:49 AM

It has been my honor..Good night..:)

Dire Straits on May 24, 2013 at 3:06 AM

Bureaucrats NEVER unilaterally undertake illegal, politically explosive operations.

The day before the IRS started attacking Americans in a bid to deny them their 1st amendment rights, Obama met at the WH with the rabidly anti-Tea Party president of the National Treasury Employees Union, Colleen Kelley. Kelley’s Union has inordinate influence within the IRS. Their meeting was not coincidental. They did not meet to exchange recipes…

The organization True the Vote was attacked by the IRS, FBI, ATF and OSHA. That degree of coordination comes from the WH. True the Vote is a Texas based organization seeking non-profit status. It’s focus is voter verification. It’s founder worked at voting stations and was appalled at the amount of voter fraud she witnessed in 2009.

True the Vote was targeted because it threatened to derail attainment of the left’s goal; Texas’ electoral college votes moving into the democrat column would guarantee effective one-party rule in America. This bid to deny American’s their 1st amendment rights came straight from Obama. Only ideological apologists and the willfully obtuse can deny it. Obama’s handprints are all over the greatest political scandal in American history.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on May 24, 2013 at 4:27 AM

MUST-SEE VIDEO AT BREITBART:

Wow… Just. Effin’. Wow.

<a href="http://“>Senator Obama calls for the Attorney General to step down

PointnClick on May 24, 2013 at 5:28 AM

good morning HA crew!

hope all is well for our HA family in seattle, wow just heard about the bridge collapse on I5….

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:34 AM

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:34 AM

Happy Friday, fave morning person!

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:36 AM

Obama’s previously unreported speech:

Good evening fellow travelers. Allah be with you all. Jihad is working, my Muslim brothers and sisters. We need a little more time. We have three and a half years. The national debt of the Great Satan is growing. By the end of my term America will be on her knees. We are counterfeiting American currency as fast as we can. Future generations of the Infidel will be weak and broken. Allah Akbar. Death to America. I am doing my best with Marxism. There is resistance. Well, there is no resistance from the Democrats–not surprising. We are dumbing down the children of the Infidel as fast as we can. We have full control of the public schools. We have the media. We have Hollywood. We have the unions. We are in control. America will be dead in ten years. Allah is smiling on us.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on May 24, 2013 at 6:38 AM

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:36 AM

aw shucks

morning Liam :)

so do we have a pool going for what the 5pm friday afternon news dump is going to be? its a holiday weekend so who knows what they’ll drop

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:38 AM

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on May 24, 2013 at 6:38 AM

+1

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:40 AM

morning Liam :)

so do we have a pool going for what the 5pm friday afternon news dump is going to be? its a holiday weekend so who knows what they’ll drop

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:38 AM

Whatever it is, it’s going to suck. Liberals can’t be any other way.

Hey — Did you see the Weiner thread? If you want a long laugh, the puns were flying! I bookmarked it.

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:42 AM

when dear leader makes eric holder investigate eric holder something is seriously wrong….will the lsm actually question this or just let it go with dear leader is showing leadership, he’s awesome!

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:43 AM

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:42 AM

i did….as Ed said Drudge won the day for internet headlines…

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:45 AM

he’s awesome!

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:43 AM

Much the same way as a pothead saying, “I took an awesome sh*t this morning!”

Sorry that I’m not impressed.

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:47 AM

nyt praising dear leader’s terrorism speech…it was awesome, one of his best and the mj crew agrees natch

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:47 AM

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:47 AM

yup

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:49 AM

i did….as Ed said Drudge won the day for internet headlines…

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:45 AM

Our fellows, with all their puns, had me in stitches for more than an hour. I’m a fiend for puns, and they had me laughing so hard I could barely type.

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:49 AM

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:49 AM

:) HA rocks!!

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:53 AM

:) HA rocks!!

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:53 AM

To be sure!

Except for the trolls.

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:57 AM

Happy Friday, y’all!

I don’t look to a man to get pride in myself. It’s not about having a black president, it’s about having a good president, and I think that’s the most important thing.

Lt. Col. Allen West

Obama Runs the Ol’ Bait ‘n Switch “Oh, Look…Squirrel!” My take.

kingsjester on May 24, 2013 at 6:58 AM

kingsjester on May 24, 2013 at 6:58 AM

great take KJ :)

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:01 AM

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:53 AM

Now that it’s Friday, how about you kidnap hubby again? He’ll never expect it!

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 7:02 AM

mj crew following the squirrel this am KJ..only wants to talk about his speech…most important speech evah!!

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:02 AM

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:53 AM

Now that it’s Friday, how about you kidnap hubby again. He’ll never expect it!

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 7:03 AM

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 7:02 AM

can’t this weekend…family stuff going on

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:04 AM

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:04 AM

Too bad Caesar’s Resorts no longer exist.

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 7:07 AM

so do we have a pool going for what the 5pm friday afternon news dump is going to be? its a holiday weekend so who knows what they’ll drop

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:38 AM

Lois Lerner, the lying Christian-hating whore, got put on paid administrative leave yesterday so it isn’t that. Nevertheless, my money is on some nagging little detail about the IRS using their authority to smite the enemies of the rat-eared coward.

Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 7:08 AM

joe is giddy, ‘this president has changed the structure on the war on terror’

oh yeah kj, they definitely have their squirrel…

Allah, it was a distraction that lasted more than 7 hours my friend….

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:08 AM

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 7:07 AM

:)

Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 7:08 AM

good one…

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:10 AM

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:01 AM

Thank you, ma’am!

kingsjester on May 24, 2013 at 7:10 AM

well that was quick…all the hemming and hawing over dear leader’s actions has turned back to a lovefest for him by the lsm…

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:28 AM

This is garbage. The Journolisters are defending The Magnificent One. Of Course the Chief Executive is responsible. Suddenly IRS, Justice and WH are losing memory.

Is someone telling me that when Bengazhi was happening, Presedent wasn’t aware. Heck… State was watching it Live.

Keep drilling.

Bengazhi is the biggest Scandal.

antisocial on May 24, 2013 at 7:30 AM

antisocial on May 24, 2013 at 7:30 AM

i guess that little meeting at the wh with the lib press worked…

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:41 AM

Lois Lerner, the lying Christian-hating whore, got put on paid administrative leave yesterday so it isn’t that. Nevertheless, my money is on some nagging little detail about the IRS using their authority to smite the enemies of the rat-eared coward.

Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 7:08 AM

You know its really bad news when the Friday News Dump starts on a Thursday or Wednesday… it’s been doing that for three weeks now.

And for the Special Prosecutor deal… well there is a true oversight function by Congress and it is a two-part affair. First is to find out what is going on in agencies and departments. You have to get to the bottom of things and find out what the problem is.

Part two is changing laws and budgets, with the former being the fastest and most effective as you can start axing entire sections of agencies and departments by not funding them and cutting personnel right out of the budget. If the R’s were smart and went back to the right way to budget, that is by agency or department, then this would be a precise tool to cut out rot and cancer in the government. Instead the multi-agency slush fund approach means that agencies can shift resources between themselves in the slush fund to make up for mandated losses in cash. The personnel part, however, hits no matter what. Congress can start out by saying that for every ‘I don’t know’ or ‘I can’t recall’ or ‘I only became aware of it last week’ they can cut 1% of the budget and personnel from an agency and for every 5th taken that is a 5% reduction: these people are supposed to answer questions to Congress about how they are carrying out the laws MADE by Congress. If the culture is one of deception, then the funding should start to dry up and hard.

Since the House starts the budget and has the purse strings, then that is where it must start and even with the Reidless non-budget agencies and departments look to the House for how they are to use funds. The problem now is Boehner and the House leadership being unwilling to do the hard work of by agency and department funding… which he promised to do leading into 2010 and then dropped the ball on the moment there was a Republican majority. If you want specific powers and functions cut off the place to start is the House and there the Democratic and Republican leadership are unwilling to do that. Once Upon A Time the US Congress used to be jealous of the power it held and keep everyone on a tight leash in the government. This is what happens when they get lazy and try to get the Executive to do their jobs for them.

These Congresscritters VOLUNTEER for their jobs and now seek to excuse not doing it via the abuse of power they have delegated improperly. Even to the dim bulbs lacking enough wattage to even get a glow in their heads, this needs to be stated directly to them: you wanted this job now DO IT AS YOU SAID YOU WOULD DO or QUIT and let the people find someone who is CAPABLE OF DOING IT.

ajacksonian on May 24, 2013 at 7:41 AM

ajacksonian on May 24, 2013 at 7:41 AM

well said aj

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:47 AM

The Republicans We at the heart of low information journalism, The New York Times, are not so much looking for “the truth” as they are looking for a resonant story line

The dumbest coming out of our journalism schools do like to project, don’t they?

MNHawk on May 24, 2013 at 8:21 AM

Interesting post. I found it through a link at Physics Geek’s website:

http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/05/18/is-the-irs-scandal-the-worst-political-scandal-in-american-history-i-say-yes/

The absolute worst scandal that’s emerged lately, and the worst administration scandal in American history is the IRS scandal. Why? Because you, the People, became the targets of a comprehensive federal government effort to stifle dissent, one made using the government’s overwhelming and disproportionate policing and taxing powers.

Fallon on May 24, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Whenever you change the founding principles of an organization you announce it’s doom!

RedLizard64 on May 24, 2013 at 10:44 AM

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