Reid: Yeah, a fiscal cliff deal probably isn’t happening at this point

posted at 1:31 pm on December 27, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

President Obama arrived back in DC on Thursday morning after having cut short his vacation in Hawaii, following late-night calls with top Congressional leaders:

Obama made calls from Hawaii late Wednesday to Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.), Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), White House spokeswoman Amy Brundage said. Obama was seeking an update on the state of fiscal cliff talks before departing on an overnight flight back to Washington, Brundage said.

The White House provided no details about the conversations. The House is in recess pending action in the Senate, which convened Thursday amid a sense of gloom about chances for a deal to avert more than $500 billion in spending cuts and tax hikes set to hit in January.

McConnell “is happy to review what the president has in mind, but to date, the Senate Democrat majority has not put forward a plan,” a spokesman for the Republican leader said. “When they do, members on both sides of the aisle will review the legislation and make decisions on how best to proceed.”

And of course, this morning we were treated to the usual cockeyed floor rant from Harry Reid about how, if Speaker Boehner would only stop ruling with such an iron fist, the version of Obama’s cliff proposal he wants to see happen would undoubtedly pass with the requisite centrist-Republican votes it would need.

Senator Harry Reid delivers a statement on the fiscal cliff condemning the actions of Republican leadership, saying he “can’t imagine their consciences. They are out there, wherever they are … and we’re here trying to get something done.”

“Everyone knows that if they had brought up the Senate-passed bill, it would pass overwhelmingly. But the speaker says, no we can’t do that,” Reid said on the Senate floor this morning. “It’s [the House] being operated by a dictatorship of the speaker.”

In response, a spokesman for Boehner said in a statement,  “Senator Reid should talk less and legislate more. The House has already passed legislation to avoid the entire fiscal cliff.  Senate Democrats have not.”

While the barb-trading about to whom the real onus belongs is to be expected, I don’t know about Reid’s point about the clock just running too short; we still have almost five days to go to make a deal, and with all of the deep-seated political fallout at stake here, a ‘compromise’ probably wasn’t ever going to happen until the eleventh hour when the political pressure was maxed out. That said, the possibility of going over the cliff is gaining its own momentum, and as reliably eager as Reid is to put all of the blame on Republicans, he could easily make more of his own moves if he had any real desire:

“The House has acted on two bills which collectively would avert the entire fiscal cliff if enacted. Those bills await action by the Senate,” House GOP leaders said in their statement. “If the Senate will not approve and send them to the president to be signed into law in their current form, they must be amended and returned to the House. Once this has occurred, the House will then consider whether to accept the bills as amended or to send them back to the Senate with additional amendments. The House will take this action on whatever the Senate can pass, but the Senate first must act. The lines of communication remain open, and we will continue to work with our colleagues to avert the largest tax hike in American history.” …

The intransigence of both sides has made a deal against the clock seem increasingly unlikely. But if anything gets brokered, it likely now has to come from the Senate, where Reid and McConnell largely negotiated the August 2011 debt deal that helped bring Congress into the situation it finds itself now. Senate Republican aides suggested McConnell might get involved in talks but that Senate Democrats have to bring something else to the table than the tax bill they’re pushing.


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How about passing a budget?

acyl72 on December 27, 2012 at 1:32 PM

“Everyone knows that if they had brought up the Senate-passed bill, it would pass overwhelmingly. But the speaker says, no we can’t do that,” Reid said on the Senate floor this morning. “It’s [the House] being operated by a dictatorship of the speaker.”

OK, I have clearly missed something big time. What are the details of the Senate bill?

DaveDief on December 27, 2012 at 1:34 PM

President Obama arrived back in DC on Thursday morning after having cut short his vacation in Hawaii

Paula Priesse writes:

A CEO has been warned for years he can’t keep borrowing 40 cents on every dollar the company spends. And now the fed-up bank is about to call the loan, meaning bankruptcy. You tell him he needs cut spending and talk to the bank immediately! Instead, he takes his family on a luxurious company-paid vacation. Before he leaves you ask: “Well, you’ll talk to the bank from the resort, right?” CEO: “Nah, I’ll just fly back when things get sticky. Sure it will cost more, but it will look great to our employees. And if we go under, I’ll just blame the bank. Our workers are so stupid I’ll still be a hero.” So President Obama, who’s largely responsible for this mess, has flown back from Hawaii to save us poor dolts from fiscal doom. Give me a break! Hope he gets a nice photo op.

itsnotaboutme on December 27, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Did they patch the damn AMT? That is going to absolutely steamroll thousands of families.

tom daschle concerned on December 27, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Stupid, stupid little snotty brats!
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letget on December 27, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Yeah bout those 2 bills collecting dust…o yeah media forgets to talk about that.

watertown on December 27, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Sure it could happen. It would have to be as “Important” as Obamacare, which this isn’t, but it could happen.

famous amos on December 27, 2012 at 1:37 PM

All going according to Obama and Reid’s plan.

They hate the middle and lower classes.

Wake up fools.

I love that you’ll feel the pain.

The Liars have you in the sheeple plantations, as they live like Loius XV and Madame de Pompadour.

Pitchfork them, alas.

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Here comes the bill, America. And it’s just getting started.

Chuck Schick on December 27, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Reid’s flaming pants should help aide the burning we so desperately need.

And the Stupid-Americans will still blame those Wascally Wepubwicans…

Myron Falwell on December 27, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Just wait it out, go over the cliff if needed. Reid has not passed any piece of legislation, so put up a “gone fishing” sign until he does.

Daemonocracy on December 27, 2012 at 1:38 PM

It’s only Dec. 27.

Ain’t seen nada, yet.

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Reid: Yeah, a fiscal cliff deal probably isn’t happening at this point

By design. Reid doesn’t want a fiscal cliff deal obviously.

HotAirian on December 27, 2012 at 1:39 PM

It is very difficult for the Senate under the “leadership” of Harry Reid to get a deal done because they are doing nothing.

Dasher on December 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM

All going according to Obama and Reid’s plan.

They hate the middle and lower classes.

Wake up fools.

I love that you’ll feel the pain.

The Liars have you in the sheeple plantations, as they live like Loius XV and Madame de Pompadour.

Pitchfork them, alas.

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 1:37 PM

I’ll get the guillotine. A more practical and direct method…

Myron Falwell on December 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM

I think it’s funny as hell that the GOP was so scared getting the blame for shutting down the government during the debt ceiling crisis.

They kissed Obama’s royal ass to make sure that didn’t happen.

Now … he’s gonna run this thing off the tracks and assign the blame to the GOP.

Way to suck GOP! Too cowardly to stand up for your principles – now you’ll die in a soup made by the man you appeased!

HondaV65 on December 27, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Reid manages to combine an unpleasant disposition with an eerie incompetence.

pat on December 27, 2012 at 1:43 PM

Just what Obama and the dems want. My idiot senator patty murray as been wanting this to happen too. The repubs will be blamed for it, as well as a weak economy and any future recession now.

Jack_Burton on December 27, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Dems have wanted broad tax hikes all along; they’ve just done a good job of convincing the public otherwise via class warfare.

theperfecteconomist on December 27, 2012 at 1:46 PM

That said, the possibility of going over the cliff is gaining its own momentum, and as reliably eager as Reid is to put all of the blame on Republicans, he could easily make more of his own moves if he had any real desire:

The rat-eared wonder and the Senate Dems never EVER were bargaining in good faith. We all know that. But, mark my words. The Dems think they can pin all the blame on Republicans but I don’t think that is true.

1. Obamacare taxes are about to kick in at the same time that Bush Era and Social Security tax relief expires. Even the stupid parasites that voted for the rat-eared wonder are going to notice they are paying more and making less.

2. The US credit rating will be downgraded again. The economy is going to slip into a full-fledged depression. Presidents and not Congress own the economy.

3. The GOP still has to agree to raise the debt ceiling by Monday. They deserve the blame if they cede on that point in order to cut a deal with the filthy Dems who have no intention of following through on entitlement reform. Seriously. Any agreement had damned well include cuts to the stupid greedy people who voted for Obama because they thought it was the best way of ensuring they don’t have to get off their lazy asses.

4. People are so disgusted with Congress and the gridlock in DC that we are very close to the “throw all the bums out” kind of mentality.

Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Dems have wanted broad tax hikes all along; they’ve just done a good job of convincing the public otherwise via class warfare.

theperfecteconomist on December 27, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Having an electorate made up of stupid greedy morons didn’t hurt either.

Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 1:47 PM

“Everyone knows that if they had brought up the Senate-passed bill, it would pass overwhelmingly. But the speaker says, no we can’t do that

What Senate bill was passed? I’m out of the country, what did I miss?

JPeterman on December 27, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Reid…the man who hasn’t brought a bill to the floor of the Senate regarding anything budgetary that passed the House, complains?

Weak sauce, Reid, weak sauce.

But unfortunately, those LIV (Low Info Voters) don’t care about that fact…

ProfShadow on December 27, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Did they patch the damn AMT? That is going to absolutely steamroll thousands of families.

Let it happen. Elections have consequences and so far dems have been able to avoid any of them.

Hey Harry, show us your 2010 budget. Then after you reconcile that, show us your 2011 budget. Then after that show us your 2012 budget. After you reconcile that debate the 2013 budget sitting on your desk.

No more.

DanMan on December 27, 2012 at 1:51 PM

OK, I have clearly missed something big time. What are the details of the Senate bill?

DaveDief on December 27, 2012 at 1:34 PM

You’d have to ask Senator Nelson directly.

Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Broad tax hikes give Dems the opportunity to clamor for even more spending so that taxpayers “have something to show” for their more expensive government. Doesn’t help that we are heading for recession with or without a deal and that the tiny spending cuts will take the blame for it.

theperfecteconomist on December 27, 2012 at 1:51 PM

HondaV65 on December 27, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Ed, can we dispense of this troll? He lies, provokes and adds nothing to our conversation. His comments are like a kid tossing bricks through windows and running away.

DanMan on December 27, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Having an electorate made up of stupid greedy morons didn’t hurt either.

Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Stupid enough that the Dem leadership is betting they don’t notice the betrayal.

theperfecteconomist on December 27, 2012 at 1:55 PM

This was officially doomed when it was put in Reid’s hands.

One of the worst mistakes of the hard right was going for Angle when just about anyone else could have beaten him.

blue13326 on December 27, 2012 at 1:57 PM

What Senate bill was passed? I’m out of the country, what did I miss?

JPeterman on December 27, 2012 at 1:48 PM

You have as much information as we do. There has been no senate bill presented, debated or passed that I am aware of either. I still say Reid doesn’t have the votes for the $250k threshhold and the only offer that moved off that was Obama’s nod to go to $400k which the house rejected. Senate has held no vote on a budget.

DanMan on December 27, 2012 at 1:58 PM

They kissed Obama’s royal ass to make sure that didn’t happen.

Now … he’s gonna run this thing off the tracks and assign the blame to the GOP.

Way to suck GOP! Too cowardly to stand up for your principles – now you’ll die in a soup made by the man you appeased!

HondaV65 on December 27, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Says the idiot who bragged about voting for Obama and sent money to Elizabeth Warren, the Commie from Massachusetts.

JPeterman on December 27, 2012 at 1:59 PM

These A-Hole senators sit back and dump on Boehner –
While they sit on their hands, and do Nothing.

Why are they even getting paid ?

FlaMurph on December 27, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Stupid enough that the Dem leadership is betting they don’t notice the betrayal.

theperfecteconomist on December 27, 2012 at 1:55 PM

And that could well be the case. But I still think that even stupid greedy people are going to notice when the pink slips start flying even as they are making less in their paychecks (the few of these people who work), and everything costs more.

Short term stupid greedy people may not notice but over the long-term this is not going to be a boon for the Dems and left.

Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 2:04 PM

right now the Senate is working on the FISA and later today Hurricane Sandy $60B bill votes at 5:30pm.

I actually heard this morning that the Sandy Bill even if passed by the Senate was not done in the House, therefore, having to be taken up again next Congress.

They are just wasting time pretending to be doing something.

CoffeeLover on December 27, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Last I heard the dems in the senate had loaded up the Sandy bill upwards of $70 billion and the house was already threatening to cut it in half.

DanMan on December 27, 2012 at 2:10 PM

You have as much information as we do. There has been no senate bill presented, debated or passed that I am aware of either. I still say Reid doesn’t have the votes for the $250k threshhold and the only offer that moved off that was Obama’s nod to go to $400k which the house rejected. Senate has held no vote on a budget.

DanMan on December 27, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Well thanks for that, good thing I got most of my stocks out of the market before I left.

And I guess HA is ignoring the story about the newspaper who published the map of all the legal handgun owners?

JPeterman on December 27, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Good, it’s about time we take a step toward balancing the nations budget and getting our house in order and the so-called “fiscal cliff” is in reality just a small step in that direction.

Viva la fiscal cliff!!!

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Just got word, my and Mammys’ taxes go up 7% starting next week.

Bring on the deeper part of this 4 year recession.

Thank you OBAMA VOTERS.

PappyD61 on December 27, 2012 at 2:16 PM

These politicians should be in JAIL.

Will they throw us in jail first…..that’s the only question.

PappyD61 on December 27, 2012 at 2:17 PM

These politicians should be in JAIL.

PappyD61 on December 27, 2012 at 2:17 PM

You’re too kind.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Just got word, my and Mammys’ taxes go up 7% starting next week.

Bring on the deeper part of this 4 year recession.

Thank you OBAMA VOTERS.

PappyD61 on December 27, 2012 at 2:16 PM

One upside of the AMT. Most of the tax hikes won’t make a difference for alot of us.

Chuck Schick on December 27, 2012 at 2:22 PM

MeanWhile,back at the House………………

Speaker Pro Temp Rep LaTourette says House of Representatives is adjourned until 2pm on December 31 – @frankthorpNBC

11 mins ago from twitter.com/frankthorpNBC by editor
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https://twitter.com/frankthorpNBC

canopfor on December 27, 2012 at 2:22 PM

JPeterman on December 27, 2012 at 2:11 PM

this story has a reference to the senate passing a bill in July,

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/274417-pressure-grows-on-senate-to-act-on-fiscal-cliff

hey canopfer, can you dig this up? I sure don’t recall this.

DanMan on December 27, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Ed, can we dispense of this troll?

DanMan on December 27, 2012 at 1:54 PM

HondaV65 is correct. You want to ban “trolls” for speaking inconvienient truths about your corrupt political party?

Aren’t you the guy spouting conspiracy theories in another thread earlier about how the Democrats rigged the 2012 election?

If anything it’s you who should be banned as a conspiracy nut and troll, DanMan, except that I don’t think either one of you should be banned.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Let us be sure going over the cliff is as damaging to the Left’s reality-distortion field as possible.

They won 2012 because enough city-dwellers with jobs believe their taxes amount to a negligible latte a week that feeds the starving people in a ghetto in which they would not be caught dead.

They won 2012 because enough jobless people figured on using Uncle Sam’s generosity to ride them through the temporary setback until their jobs returned as before.

They won 2012 because enough minorities believed that 0bama was only going to stick it to Whitey.

May 2013 shatter those illusions.

Sekhmet on December 27, 2012 at 2:28 PM

The Mittbots were not the problem with the election. Ballot box stuffing in a few dozen precincts in four key states were.

DanMan on December 27, 2012 at 2:06 PM

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 2:31 PM

WOO HOO – my taxes are going up 17%

gophergirl on December 27, 2012 at 2:32 PM

…except that I don’t think either one of you should be banned.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 2:27 PM

pretty funny bub since you also post under the name GravityStone on occasion

DanMan on December 27, 2012 at 2:33 PM

Interesting update. Possible Obama cave afoot?


Brown: Obama making proposal to Senate GOP on ‘fiscal cliff’

By Ian Swanson – 12/27/12 02:04 PM ET

President Obama is offering a proposal to Senate GOP leaders that would prevent looming tax hikes and spending cuts, according to Sen. Scott Brown (R-Mass.).

Brown said in messages on Twitter and Facebook that he had “learned” of the proposal.

“Heading back to dc. Just learned that the Pres. reached out to Senate GOP leadership with a proposal,” Brown wrote on Facebook. “It is the first such proposal to be put forth. Eager to see why it is. How it is serious.”

If Obama is making a proposal, it is not clear what would be included.

On Friday, the president said he would reach for a smaller deal that would extend tax rates on annual incomes below $1 million while allowing rates above that threshold to rise. Obama also said he would seek an extension of unemployment benefits, but would put off broader entitlement reforms until next year, as well as a hike to the debt ceiling.

Link

Chuck Schick on December 27, 2012 at 2:36 PM

But… but… Obama promised we wouldn’t go over the cliff! He promised the government supply companies they didn’t have to send out the legally-required 90-day notices of impending layoffs the week before the election because it would never happen!

I’m so, so, disillusioned!

Socratease on December 27, 2012 at 2:37 PM

pretty funny bub since you also post under the name GravityStone on occasion

DanMan on December 27, 2012 at 2:33 PM

I have never, ever posted under the name GravityStone here or elsewhere, and in fact I don’t recall ever seeing anybody else posting by that name here, either. You are a liar and a conspiracy nut, DanMan!

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Well it appears that the ‘jobless’ are getting more taxpayers money to pay for their health care!

The way things are going, more and more are going to be ‘jobless’ with bho in charge?

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/jobless-workers-getting-more-taxpayer-money-pay-their-health-insurance-premiums
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letget on December 27, 2012 at 2:38 PM

letget on December 27, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Work is for suckers!

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Honda and FloatingRock are under the delusion that the existence of the GOP is the only thing keeping the Libertarians from ruling the world.

Sekhmet on December 27, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Welcome to the big party, noisemakers and pointy hats for all!

Do your part by not buying a damn thing that you don’t have to. They can’t get blood from this stone any longer, all the takers/Bark voters can pound sand.

Bishop on December 27, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Honda and FloatingRock are under the delusion that the existence of the GOP is the only thing keeping the Libertarians from ruling the world.

Sekhmet on December 27, 2012 at 2:43 PM

I’ve never said that, you are a liar as well. I’m not even a Libertarian.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Honda and FloatingRock are under the delusion that the existence of the GOP is the only thing keeping the Libertarians from ruling the world.

Sekhmet on December 27, 2012 at 2:43 PM

You’re a typical RINO: instead of attacking our argument in open debate you attack us personally with lies and falsehoods. That is just one of the many reasons your such a looser.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Wait, didn’t Dingy Harry just get done calling Boner a sissy-pants who couldn’t control his caucus?

Now he is a dictator?

Which is it?

Never mind, silly me for expecting any kind of logic or consistency from that @$$hole.

novaculus on December 27, 2012 at 2:52 PM

nah, a couple of months ago FloatingRock and GravityStone had identical takes and I accused them of pillow talk. He got his bloomers in a wad and I figured it was the same guy.

what are the odds

DanMan on December 27, 2012 at 2:53 PM

No, Floater, you aren’t a Libertarian, you just wouldn’t shut up about Gary Johnson, the LIBERTARIAN candidate, the moment it became clear Ron Paul wasn’t the nominee. You are also standing up for Honda, an 0BAMA voter, whose big idea is to destroy the GOP so that…exactly who would be left—why the Libertarians, don’cha know.

Don’t get me wrong, Libertarians have some great domestic ideas, when they put the bongs down, but their foreign policy is sure to invite wars that will end up on our shores, at which point, they and their lefty bong-mates find some excuse still not to fight.

Sekhmet on December 27, 2012 at 2:54 PM

If you supported Gary Johnson wouldn’t that make you sort of a libertarian?

Bishop on December 27, 2012 at 2:55 PM

Way to suck GOP! Too cowardly to stand up for your principles – now you’ll die in a soup made by the man you appeased!

HondaV65 on December 27, 2012 at 1:42 PM

You mean the same one you voted for, idiot?

Go away, Obama voter. You are no better than the ObamaPhone lady.

kim roy on December 27, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Honda and FloatingRock are under the delusion that the existence of the GOP is the only thing keeping the Libertarians from ruling the world.

Sekhmet on December 27, 2012 at 2:43 PM

You’re a typical RINO: instead of attacking our argument in open debate you attack us personally with lies and falsehoods. That is just one of the many reasons your such a looser.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 2:48 PM

In his defense, it is rather hard not to personally attack a loser who is unable to spell ‘loser’.

M240H on December 27, 2012 at 2:58 PM

You’re a typical RINO: instead of attacking our argument in open debate you attack us personally with lies and falsehoods. That is just one of the many reasons your such a looser.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Looser? Tighten up, there, Sekhmet.

Honda is a DB who voted for Obama. Why would you want to associate any of your arguments with his/her/its?

What is your argument anyways? The one that allowed Obama a second term? Your argument failed. Your alliance with libertarianism failed. You have allowed socialism to get a foothold and it will never leave. That means libertarianism is going to be more difficult to achieve.

Fail. Every one of your arguments failed.

The one thing that you and yours fail to understand and willfully ignore is that it’s so much easier to change after infiltration. Why do you think the liberals and marxists have infiltrated and insinuated themselves into the system? They changed it from within, so slowly that people didn’t really notice and dumbed them down to the point where when they did notice most didn’t care.

Fail. You have failed. You will never see a libertarian society in the US. It’s too late. But you keep abusing that chicken because that’s the only comfort you are going to get – empty words.

kim roy on December 27, 2012 at 3:04 PM

BTW, that’s 7% MORE on the Gross income.

And for some more than 7%.

Imagine another 7-12-17% of your gross being taken out of your income.

Thank you Obama.

PappyD61 on December 27, 2012 at 3:06 PM

If you supported Gary Johnson wouldn’t that make you sort of a libertarian?

Bishop on December 27, 2012 at 2:55 PM

No that would make you a nutter.

JPeterman on December 27, 2012 at 3:07 PM

The Honda V65 is really a poor excuse of a motorcycle. An embarrasment to a company that has produced some rather great motorcycles.

However, I’m sure it looks really good with you riding on it and “2012″ and “I bark for barack” bumper stickers on it.

acyl72 on December 27, 2012 at 3:16 PM

In his defense, it is rather hard not to personally attack a loser who is unable to spell ‘loser’.

M240H on December 27, 2012 at 2:58 PM

The fact that so many RINO’s here think criticizing a typo is a winning argument in a political debate is one of many reasons why RINO’s are a bunch of losers.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Excellent.

Maybe complacent folks will sit up and take notice for once.

Midas on December 27, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Maybe some of the RINO losers here would care to challenge the merits of what Honda actually said rather than resort to unjustified personal attacks?

Yeah, I didn’t think so, losers!

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 3:27 PM

Reid: Yeah, a fiscal cliff deal probably isn’t happening at this point

… and Harry Reidiculous getting his sanity back isn’t happening anytime soon, either.

stukinIL4now on December 27, 2012 at 3:37 PM

looks like the floating rock doesn’t anymore, burdened by his own density

DanMan on December 27, 2012 at 3:46 PM

How about passing a budget?

acyl72 on December 27, 2012 at 1:32 PM

…or THREE!
….MSM…quiet!

KOOLAID2 on December 27, 2012 at 3:52 PM

looks like the floating rock doesn’t anymore, burdened by his own density

DanMan on December 27, 2012 at 3:46 PM

Like I care what you think, conspiracy nut. If you want to be taken seriously try unwrapping the tinfoil from around your head.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Maybe some of the RINO losers here would care to challenge the merits of what Honda actually said rather than resort to unjustified personal attacks?

Yeah, I didn’t think so, losers!

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 3:27 PM

I don’t listen or hold any value to anything an Obama voter says because, well, they voted for Obama so their thought processes are already suspect.

Doubt if I’m alone in this assessment.

kim roy on December 27, 2012 at 4:05 PM

kim roy on December 27, 2012 at 4:05 PM

I look at it differently; I judge commentators based on the merit and truthfulness of their arguments rather than emotional considerations like a lib.

If the Republican Party can’t win conservatives like Honda back into the fold then they are lost. He’s been one of HA’s best conservative commentators for years, and if he voted for Obama people should pay attention.

If the GOP is to be the elusive domain of Romney voters then the GOP has a future of stagnation and decline to look forward to. Romney lost an election that was nearly impossible to lose.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 4:30 PM

well since Honda contradicted about everything he said prior to the election there isn’t much point in even giving any merit to his comments, much less challenge them

DanMan on December 27, 2012 at 4:38 PM

I look at it differently; I judge commentators based on the merit and truthfulness of their arguments rather than emotional considerations like a lib.

If the Republican Party can’t win conservatives like Honda back into the fold then they are lost. He’s been one of HA’s best conservative commentators for years, and if he voted for Obama people should pay attention.

If the GOP is to be the elusive domain of Romney voters then the GOP has a future of stagnation and decline to look forward to. Romney lost an election that was nearly impossible to lose.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 4:30 PM

So let me understand this. You want to judge commentators based on merits, etc, rather than emotional considerations? Like Honda.

But here you are advocating someone who made an extremely emotional decision of voting for Obama to “show them idiot republicans who’s boss”. Wheee heee heee heee we’re going to bust the country. WOOOOOOO!!! That kind of sane, rational and unemotional basis for decision-making?

That sounds rather contradictory, doesn’t it?

I do not trust the thought processes of someone like Honda. There’s nothing emotional about it – someone who should know better busts a nut and votes for an incompetent moron? And I should treat any opinion or comment from this person as worthy?

Nah. Come back when you have a linear rationale.

kim roy on December 27, 2012 at 5:08 PM

well since Honda contradicted about everything he said prior to the election there isn’t much point in even giving any merit to his comments, much less challenge them

DanMan on December 27, 2012 at 4:38 PM

On the contrary, Honda’s criticism has more merit now than ever and it’s conspiracy nut, RINO losers like yourself that have been discredited. Back in the tea party days when Honda was very popular here was the last time the GOP mattered.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 5:13 PM

But here you are advocating someone who made an extremely emotional decision

kim roy on December 27, 2012 at 5:08 PM

BZZZZZT!!!

Wrong!

That’s why you’re a RINO loser, because you argue just like a lib.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 5:14 PM

well since Honda contradicted about everything he said prior to the election there isn’t much point in even giving any merit to his comments, much less challenge them

DanMan on December 27, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Honda has always been a steadfast, reliable conservative, as you would know if you were one yourself, RINO.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 5:19 PM

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 5:13 PM

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 5:14 PM

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 5:19 PM

*in best William Shatner voice*

RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINOOOOOOOOOOOO

kim roy on December 27, 2012 at 5:21 PM

rationale.

kim roy on December 27, 2012 at 5:08 PM

The attacks against Honda in this thread are nothing but irrational emotionalism. There is nothing rational about your argument; personal attacks and smears are not even an argument. Honda has been a consistent champion of the conservative movement here at HotAir for many years. Back when the tea party was winning Honda was very popular. Back then nobody cared what “Kim Roy” or “DanMan” thought, but many people did care what Honda thought. He has made many excellent contributions to the conservative cause over the years, unlike some of the harpy jackals that have been attacking him.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 5:39 PM

kim roy on December 27, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Being a jackass suits you well, Kim Roy. You’re a natural.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Being a jackass suits you well, Kim Roy. You’re a natural.

Which is something you share with a number of Romney’s other biggest fans.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 5:43 PM

This emotional Romney fanaticism displayed in this thread is divisive and destructive to the GOP. They are turning into an online enforcers and brownshirts.

Frankly, I think that if they keep hounding Honda they should be banned for trolling.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Romney and his fanatics are as like political used car salesmen.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Honda is a DB who voted for Obama. Why would you want to associate any of your arguments with his/her/its?

kim roy on December 27, 2012 at 3:04 PM

In a prior era somebody like you would ask why I would want to tarnish my reputation by associating with blacks or Jews.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 6:28 PM

rationale.

kim roy on December 27, 2012 at 5:08 PM

The attacks against Honda in this thread are nothing but irrational emotionalism. There is nothing rational about your argument; personal attacks and smears are not even an argument. Honda has been a consistent champion of the conservative movement here at HotAir for many years. Back when the tea party was winning Honda was very popular. Back then nobody cared what “Kim Roy” or “DanMan” thought, but many people did care what Honda thought. He has made many excellent contributions to the conservative cause over the years, unlike some of the harpy jackals that have been attacking him.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 5:39 PM

You put that internet law degree from Fered’s university to good use. Now get back to work you public sector employee. I’ve noticed that some stores in our town have some Christmas slogans on the window. Send out an OSHA or IRS employee to crack down on them.

acyl72 on December 27, 2012 at 6:29 PM

acyl72 on December 27, 2012 at 6:29 PM

If you think I’m a public sector employee then you obviously don’t know anything about me and are just pulling an insult out of your butt. You are a typical Romney-fanatic dirt bag who can’t win a debate and whose only recourse is lame, petty insults.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 6:37 PM

you obviously don’t know anything about me and are just pulling an insult out of your butt. You are a typical Romney-fanatic dirt bag who can’t win a debate and whose only recourse is lame, petty insults.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 6:37 PM

The only thing funnier than this is your talking to yourself above.

Wish I had a wooden nickel to give you as payment for this fine, fine performance art, but I need it to get my irony meter fixed.

kim roy on December 27, 2012 at 6:43 PM

kim roy on December 27, 2012 at 6:43 PM

Whatever, Romney.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 6:44 PM

kim roy on December 27, 2012 at 6:43 PM

You’re a slimy piece of Romney!

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 6:46 PM

: )

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 6:46 PM

The only thing funnier than this is your talking to yourself above.

That’s what’s known as rubbing it in, BTW. Your position in this debate is slimy and indefensible. All you are doing is giving yourself a reputation as one of Romney’s online Brownshirts.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 6:52 PM

From now on, if good people here at HotAir see people like DanMan and Kim Roy attacking fellow conservatives like jackals, following them from thread to thread, week after week, (as they have), please stop for a moment and ask them something like, “What are you, one of Romney’s online Brownshirts?”, or some variation thereof.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 6:55 PM

WOO HOO – my taxes are going up 17%

gophergirl on December 27, 2012 at 2:32 PM

And I suppose you wanted a job as a crash test dummy also. Lots of pain there too. I laughed out loud at your comment and enthusiasm( sarcasm) Well Done, adds a little humor to the moron clown circus we have going on in DC.

stormridercx4 on December 27, 2012 at 7:01 PM

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 6:55 PM

Seek help. Seriously. This will be my last response to you because you are clearly not well. While it’s fun to poke at idiots and Obama voters (redundant), I do set limits at the mentally unwell.

kim roy on December 27, 2012 at 7:01 PM

kim roy on December 27, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Hey, earlier you asked why I would want to defend Honda, which I’m proud to do in spite of the fact that we disagree on various issues, but my counter question to you is: why would you want to be associated with a conspiracy nutjob like DanMan? I’m defending a consistent conservative who was popular here when HotAir had a more tea party and less Romney-fanatic clientele. I’m defending Honda, who was popular with tea party winners, against Romney-fanatic losers. You, on the other hand, are defending a conspiracy whack-job, DanMan, who attacked a consistent tea party conservative, Honda.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 7:10 PM

This will be my last response to you

Hey, whatever, just stop harassing other commentators here from thread to thread and I won’t ask HotAir to ban you for being a troll.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 7:13 PM

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