Quotes of the day

posted at 9:01 pm on December 27, 2012 by Allahpundit

How perfect can you get? Mr. Gregory interrogates Mr. LaPierre on the subject of whether to ban a magazine that it is illegal for Mr. Gregory to display but apparently easy enough to acquire in time for a Sunday morning broadcast. So here we have a possible indictment that would be entirely nonsensical of a journalist who was trying to embarrass an NRA official over an ammunition ban whose impact would be entirely symbolic.

Various media are also reporting that an online petition is underway on the White House website calling for Mr. Gregory’s indictment. It isn’t clear that Mr. Gregory is guilty of anything other than perhaps overzealousness in pursuit of the conventional gun-control wisdom, which is not a crime unless we want to empty newsrooms and fill up jails from coast to coast.

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Let’s get real here. People who don’t like Gregory, or his network, or the media, or gun control are using his little stunt to express a bit of manufactured outrage, as though he were some kind of criminal…

This reminds me of when investigative reporters sneak weapons or banned material through airport security and then get accused of breaking the law.

Gregory had no intent to commit a crime; he was committing journalism instead. Gun owners often say they want the government to leave them alone; why then are some clamoring for Gregory to be prosecuted?

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One of the problems with the ever expanding gun laws advocated by Gregory and others is that otherwise law-abiding citizens get caught up inadvertently violating the law, like this soldier on leave from Afghanistan, while criminals do what they please and powerful people don’t get prosecuted.

The guns laws, as presently constituted and as proposed, turn us into a nation of men not of laws.

What Greta doesn’t understand is that David Gregory isn’t being investigated because he’s David Gregory; if he were anyone else, he’d already be in jail.

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The media’s argument in favor of treating Gregory differently from any other citizen who does not anchor a popular Sunday news broadcast is, essentially, “come on! Really?”

Yes, really. The media’s defense of Gregory is entirely personal – he is a member of the media simply doing what the media does. Even if this law is applicable to Gregory (a fact which the media seems prepared to debate), this particular infraction should not result in any penalties. At no point has any member of the media asked if Washington D.C.’s law, which is aimed at reducing the glamour of these extended magazines, is absurd…

L’affaire de Gregory has exposed an unseemly sense of entitlement in the elite media. If the post-Newtown debate over gun control has shown that the media is somewhat out of touch with average Americans, the Gregory episode has revealed that they do not regard themselves as average Americans.

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Culturally, one of the things lots of Americans detest about the elite journalistic culture is the idea that reporters are above the law. Usually, this self-regard manifests itself in debates over revealing sources. Many journalists honestly believe they have special rights and privileges not enjoyed by all Americans. As a matter of law and logic, that’s not the case (which is why some journalists want to see the licensing of journalists). We all have the right to commit journalism…

And here we have David Gregory breaking exactly the sorts of gun laws he’s advocating (and, yes, Gregory is serving as an advocate in one side of a debate while pretending otherwise — which annoys some people too). His defense — and Kurtz’s — is that his intentions were good. Well, yes, I’m sure that’s true. It’s also true of roughly 99.99% of legal gun owners. But, unlike those legal gun owners, Gregory knowingly broke the law he expects the rest of us to obey (he asked the cops if it was okay and they said, “No.”).

Those legal gun owners must obey the law, even if they think the law is stupid or intended to stop people with bad motives. What rankles a little is the idea that somehow Gregory’s motives are more pure because he’s a journalist just trying to make a point. What rankles a lot is the suggestion that people keen to point out this double standard are easily dismissed as lunkhead partisans who don’t understand how special people like Gregory are who are unwilling to give him special dispensation.

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Thousands of people, many from outside Westchester, Rockland and Putnam counties, have taken to their computers and phones in rage after The Journal News posted an online database of local gun permit holders.

The database, legally obtained from the county clerks’ offices through a Freedom of Information Act request made after the shootings in Newtown, Conn., that left 20 children and eight adults dead, has been called irresponsible, dangerous and leaning toward intimidation by several online pundits…

Hundreds of callers have complained, claiming publication of the database put their safety at risk or violated their privacy. Others claimed publication was illegal. Many of the callers were vitriolic and some threatened members of the newspaper staff.

“New York residents have the right to own guns with a permit and they also have a right to access public information,” said Janet Hasson, president and publisher of The Journal News Media Group.

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Since that’s where I grew up, I went right to my old neighborhood and clicked on all the dots. While it brought a sense of nostalgia, it also felt like a complete privacy intrusion.

Are gun owners now going to be stigmatized like sex offenders?

I think it’s an attempt at intimidation. I wonder if any of those whose addresses were published are immediate family members of federal officials or employees, and covered by 18 USC Section 119, which prohibits publishing home addresses for intimidation. Or if the internet publication of home addresses of gun owners can be considered cyber stalking, cyber-bullying, harassment or invasion of privacy under state laws? Just because the information is available under a FOIA request, does that mean it can be publicly disseminated? I’m sure they checked with their lawyers and felt like they were on safe ground, but I hope somebody sues them.

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Over the weekend, The Journal News newspaper published maps with the addresses and names of pistol permit holders in Westchester and Rockland Counties. The information for the map was legally obtained by the paper through a Freedom of Information Act request, but it sparked a nationwide controversy among those who considered the map a privacy violation. This morning, State Senator Greg Ball weighed in by proposing legislation to keep gun records private and prevent the publication of similar stories in the future. He also blasted “the asinine editors at The Journal News” who published the map…

“The Journal News has placed the lives of these folks at risk by creating a virtual shopping list for criminals and nut jobs,” Mr. Ball said. “Publishing this information on a website provides criminals with a map of where they can steal firearms from lawful owners for later use in the commission of crimes. Preventing the theft of guns and their criminal misuse is an important public-policy goal. This map is bad for the good guys and good for the bad guys.”

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I am not a big fan of the maps that show sex offenders, but at least there is a logical reason for posting them, even though the offenders often no longer live where the maps show them to be. And even when they do, how much risk do they pose? The maps can’t know that. The difference between the sex offender maps and the gun permit maps is that sex offenders have been convicted of a crime. The permit holders are accused of nothing…

If publishing the data because it is public and the public seems to be interested in the topic right now is reason enough, then there are endless databases to exploit…

I like it when journalists take heat for an explosive, necessary, courageous investigation that exposes important wrongdoing. There is journalistic purpose and careful decision-making supporting those stories. But The News Journal is taking heat for starting a gunfight just because it could.

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Via the Mediaite.

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Via the Daily Caller.


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Gregory is such a useless tool.

John the Libertarian on December 27, 2012 at 9:05 PM

The Press does what it wants.

That’s always been “Freedom of the Press.”

cane_loader on December 27, 2012 at 9:08 PM

So here we have a possible indictment that would be entirely nonsensical of a journalist who was trying to embarrass an NRA official over an ammunition ban whose impact would be entirely symbolic.
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Heres the Full article,Subscription my *ss!
(sarc)

REVIEW & OUTLOOK
December 26, 2012, 6:32 p.m. ET

Free David Gregory
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Moving right along in America’s gun control, er, “conversation,” we now have the illuminating debate over the alleged criminality of “Meet the Press” host David Gregory. Somehow this seems appropriate to the quality of the rest of the gun debate.

The Washington Post reported Wednesday that Washington, D.C. police are investigating the notorious NBC News crime boss for using an unlawful rifle magazine as a prop for his Sunday program. The Post says Mr. Gregory had asked police for permission to acquire the 30-round rifle magazine, which is banned under D.C. law, but police refused. Mr. Gregory displayed the ammo anyway during his interview with Wayne LaPierre of the National Rifle Association.

This has created an uproar, with gun rights advocates calling for Mr. Gregory’s indictment, if not yet the death penalty, and police acknowledging their probe.

How perfect can you get? Mr. Gregory interrogates Mr. LaPierre on the subject of whether to ban a magazine that it is illegal for Mr. Gregory to display but apparently easy enough to acquire in time for a Sunday morning broadcast. So here we have a possible indictment that would be entirely nonsensical of a journalist who was trying to embarrass an NRA official over an ammunition ban whose impact would be entirely symbolic.

Various media are also reporting that an online petition is underway on the White House website calling for Mr. Gregory’s indictment. It isn’t clear that Mr. Gregory is guilty of anything other than perhaps overzealousness in pursuit of the conventional gun-control wisdom, which is not a crime unless we want to empty newsrooms and fill up jails from coast to coast.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324669104578203613386495482.html

canopfor on December 27, 2012 at 9:08 PM

But what do we do now that the press has become a Fifth Column for the destruction of the Republic?

Hang ‘em High if they deserve it.

Convict for treason and hang.

cane_loader on December 27, 2012 at 9:08 PM

which is not a crime unless we want to empty newsrooms and fill up jails from coast to coast.

There’s a down side to this?

Kraken on December 27, 2012 at 9:10 PM

It isn’t clear that Mr. Gregory is guilty of anything other than perhaps overzealousness in pursuit of the conventional gun-control wisdom, which is not a crime unless we want to empty newsrooms and fill up jails from coast to coast.

I vote yes.

predator on December 27, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Gregory is such a useless tool.

John the Libertarian on December 27, 2012 at 9:05 PM

If taken literally…would this be a contradiction in terms?

(discuss quietly amongst yourselves)

Tim_CA on December 27, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Gregory had no intent to commit a crime; he was committing journalism instead

Does this apply to James O’Keefe too ?

burrata on December 27, 2012 at 9:11 PM

which is not a crime unless we want to empty newsrooms and fill up jails from coast to coast.

There’s a down side to this?

Kraken on December 27, 2012 at 9:10 PM

It isn’t clear that Mr. Gregory is guilty of anything other than perhaps overzealousness in pursuit of the conventional gun-control wisdom, which is not a crime unless we want to empty newsrooms and fill up jails from coast to coast.

I vote yes.

predator on December 27, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Further proof that the great minds congregate at Hot Air. ;)

predator on December 27, 2012 at 9:12 PM

do you think Gregory could go scrounge up 30 Benghazi survivors and interview them if he wanted to???? they’re not illegal, are they?

ted c on December 27, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Let’s get real here. People who don’t like Gregory, or his network, or the media, or gun control are using his little stunt to express a bit of manufactured outrage, as though he were some kind of criminal…

Which is what he is if he broke the law. The same sort of anti-gun laws you idiots want to foist on everyone. Let’s get real here.

ddrintn on December 27, 2012 at 9:13 PM

The screen shot of David Gregory reveals him to be just another self-righteous “journalist” prig determined to make an inanimate object a symbol for all that is wrong with the US.

onlineanalyst on December 27, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Le Ops!

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canopfor on December 27, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Gregory had no intent to commit a crime; he was committing journalism instead. Gun owners often say they want the government to leave them alone; why then are some clamoring for Gregory to be prosecuted?

Dontcha love it when a hypocrite calls you a hypocrite for pointing out their hypocrisy?

Midas on December 27, 2012 at 9:16 PM

No post about Schwarzkopf`s passing?

ThePrez on December 27, 2012 at 9:17 PM

If taken literally…would this be a contradiction in terms?

(discuss quietly amongst yourselves)

Tim_CA on December 27, 2012 at 9:11 PM

* mumblemumblemumble*

davidk on December 27, 2012 at 9:18 PM

POsted on wrong thread – sorry! Reposting it here:
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I don’t want to unduly hang any member of the media.

I want to duly convict and hang those who conspired to throw the 2012 presidential election.

And yes, it was thrown. The huge imbalance in coverage enabled the small victory margin, many times over, by purposely deceiving voters who are too busy, working three jobs, to spend hours a day prowling the blogs to learn the truth.

You betcha I want to see journalists hang over this someday.

If conspiring to throw an American presidential election is not a capital offense against the Republic which so many have died to preserve, I don’t know what is.

cane_loader on December 27, 2012 at 9:15 PM

cane_loader on December 27, 2012 at 9:18 PM

No post about Schwarzkopf`s passing?

ThePrez on December 27, 2012 at 9:17 PM

How soon they forget.

davidk on December 27, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Gregory had no intent to commit a crime; he was committing journalism instead. Gun owners often say they want the government to leave them alone; why then are some clamoring for Gregory to be prosecuted?

Dontcha love it when a hypocrite calls you a hypocrite for pointing out their hypocrisy?

Midas on December 27, 2012 at 9:16 PM

I love the spectacle of a bunch of out-of-touch libs getting blasted by some good ol’ blunderbuss backlash.

ddrintn on December 27, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Gregory is such a useless tool.

John the Libertarian on December 27, 2012 at 9:05 PM

A high capacity tool that jams a lot..
And needs constant attention…
And a beating from time-to-time…

Electrongod on December 27, 2012 at 9:19 PM

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canopfor on December 27, 2012 at 9:19 PM

See, we’re supposed to only be on the receiving end of their behavioral directives; if we take exception to them, and point out where they are not living up to their own desired and oft-stated standards, it is we who are hypocrites because we bothered to point out that they are not living up to the standards they desire for us, that we do not desire for ourselves.

So – its not *they* who are hypocrites, its us – do I understand that correctly?

Midas on December 27, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Gregory had no intent to commit a crime; he was committing journalism instead

Does this apply to James O’Keefe too ?

burrata on December 27, 2012 at 9:11 PM

If someone were to break into Gregory’s home and root around to see if he had any more weapons…in the name of journalism, do you think the MSM would be cool with that too?

29Victor on December 27, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Gregory had no intent to commit a crime; he was committing journalism instead

Does this apply to James O’Keefe too ?

burrata on December 27, 2012 at 9:11 PM

*APPLAUSE*

Nicely done :)

cane_loader on December 27, 2012 at 9:20 PM

No post about Schwarzkopf`s passing?

ThePrez on December 27, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Did King Obama say something about it?

Then it didn’t happen..

Electrongod on December 27, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Obviously, the government needs to start licensing journalists. Thorough background checks, and journalists need to be certified in their area of reporting (sports, local news, entertainment, weather, etc.).

Only then can we be safe from the likes of the MSM.

malclave on December 27, 2012 at 9:21 PM

“L’affaire de Gregory has exposed an unseemly sense of entitlement in the elite media.”

You think…?

Seven Percent Solution on December 27, 2012 at 9:21 PM

No post about Schwarzkopf`s passing?

ThePrez on December 27, 2012 at 9:17 PM

How soon they forget.

davidk on December 27, 2012 at 9:18 PM

davidk:)
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Defense Secretary Leon Panetta on death of Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf: We recall that enduring legacy and remember him as one of the great military giants of the 20th century – statement via @NBCNews

19 secs ago by editor
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http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/gen-norman-schwarzkopf-dies

canopfor on December 27, 2012 at 9:21 PM

blunderbuss backlash.

ddrintn on December 27, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Awesome late-’60s rock ‘n’ roll band name :)

cane_loader on December 27, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Send him to prison and let him share a cell with Jerry Sandusky. I don’t know that Gregory deserves that for breaking a stupid law but the schadenfreude involved in that situation would more than make up for my potentially guilty conscience.

alchemist19 on December 27, 2012 at 9:22 PM

I love the spectacle of a bunch of out-of-touch libs getting blasted by some good ol’ blunderbuss backlash.

ddrintn on December 27, 2012 at 9:18 PM

lol, brought to mind a cartoonish scene of David Gregory drawing a bead on Mr. NRA in the name of gun control, having the thing blow up in his gave (blackface, hair standing on end and smoldering, etc), then turning to the camera and saying, “see – I told you these things are dangerous!”

Midas on December 27, 2012 at 9:22 PM

“L’affaire de Gregory has exposed an unseemly sense of entitlement in the elite media.”

You think…?

Seven Percent Solution on December 27, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Just to play devil’s advocate:

Hasn’t Gregory just done gun-rights folks a backhand favor by pointing out the oppressive nature of the D.C. gun ban?

cane_loader on December 27, 2012 at 9:23 PM

What Greta doesn’t understand is that David Gregory isn’t being investigated because he’s David Gregory; if he were anyone else, he’d already be in jail.

Good point..:)

Dire Straits on December 27, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Interesting, the press hides behind the First Amendment when they idiotically break the law.

And we law-abiding citizens are blamed for adhering to the Second Amendment when we, well, abide by the law.

dugan on December 27, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Obviously, the government needs to start licensing journalists. Thorough background checks, and journalists need to be certified in their area of reporting (sports, local news, entertainment, weather, etc.).

Only then can we be safe from the likes of the MSM.

malclave on December 27, 2012 at 9:21 PM

And then like lawyers, doctors, and accountants, they can be held liable – criminally and civilly – for malpractice. What a great day that will be.

Midas on December 27, 2012 at 9:24 PM

How come liberal neighborhoods never declare themselves “gun free zones”? Since a lot of Democrat families don’t own a gun because they feel safe in the knowledge that their neighbors own enough guns to keep the home invaders out of their neighborhood, I don’t expect they are too happy about publishing names. It sort of narrows it down for the home invaders.

Buddahpundit on December 27, 2012 at 9:24 PM

We need to review the First Amendment, there may be changes or improvements we could make. Iowahawk says that when the 1st Amendment was written “journalists” were rubbing ink on wooden blocks…LOL.

d1carter on December 27, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Gregory had no intent to commit a crime; he was committing journalism instead

Does this apply to James O’Keefe too ?

burrata on December 27, 2012 at 9:11 PM

No, because James O’Keefe has standards and wouldn’t do something that criminally dumb.

Myron Falwell on December 27, 2012 at 9:25 PM

All seriousness, as a former print journalist, I actually approve Gregory’s technique. I would have done the same thing. He’s pointing out the dissonace between the laws and the availability.

Again, he’s backhandedly defending the 2nd Amendment.

I won’t sign the petition, and I hate his guts, but I see where he’s coming from, and one this one I will actually defend Gregory from an investigative-reporting perspective.

Yes, he is committing journalism.

Now the conclusions he’s drawing between the 30-capacity mag and killings, no I don’t defend.

But I don’t defend prosecuting him, no.

cane_loader on December 27, 2012 at 9:26 PM

blunderbuss backlash.

ddrintn on December 27, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Awesome late-’60s rock ‘n’ roll band name :)

cane_loader on December 27, 2012 at 9:21 PM

name for your junk?

(just sayin’)

Tim_CA on December 27, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Rest in peace, General Schwarzkopf.

You were among the great men that this country produced.

It just seems as though as each day passes, this nation dies just a little bit both literally and figuratively.

But we still have our God in the White House, don’t we?

All’s well, isn’t it?

turfmann on December 27, 2012 at 9:27 PM

No post about Schwarzkopf`s passing?

ThePrez on December 27, 2012 at 9:17 PM

R.I.P. Gen. Schwarzkopf.

ddrintn on December 27, 2012 at 9:28 PM

This reminds me of when investigative reporters sneak weapons or banned material through airport security and then get accused of breaking the law.

They are breaking the law. Why do “journalists” think that the laws don’t apply to them? The fact that we’ve let them get away with clear treason is a good part of the reason. They are one of the dumbest segments of society and they think that they lord over all others.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 27, 2012 at 9:29 PM

If I had been LaPierre, I would’ve snatched the magazine from Gregory and shoved it up his ass, while repeating over and over, “Lock and load.”

TXUS on December 27, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Yes, he is committing journalism.

Now the conclusions he’s drawing between the 30-capacity mag and killings, no I don’t defend.

But I don’t defend prosecuting him, no.

cane_loader on December 27, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Any other laws from which journalists should be exempt?

malclave on December 27, 2012 at 9:29 PM

On my way to rob the liquor store, almost forgot my press pass. Whew! That was a close one!—
David Burge

d1carter on December 27, 2012 at 9:29 PM

lol, brought to mind a cartoonish scene of David Gregory drawing a bead on Mr. NRA in the name of gun control, having the thing blow up in his gave (blackface, hair standing on end and smoldering, etc), then turning to the camera and saying, “see – I told you these things are dangerous!”

Midas on December 27, 2012 at 9:22 PM

LOL, that would be great. Paging Mr Ramirez.

ddrintn on December 27, 2012 at 9:29 PM

d1carter on December 27, 2012 at 9:29 PM

not this a-hole again.

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(lol)

Tim_CA on December 27, 2012 at 9:32 PM

They are breaking the law. Why do “journalists” think that the laws don’t apply to them? The fact that we’ve let them get away with clear treason is a good part of the reason. They are one of the dumbest segments of society and they think that they lord over all others.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 27, 2012 at 9:29 PM

The freedom of the press is an venerable and critical scalpel of truth to maintain the Republic. That’s why it’s in the 1st Amendment.

The problem comes when it’s wielded dishonorably, with intentional bias. The Founders screwed up by not making some mention of this.

Then, it can throw elections, as happened last month.

Then it becomes a major problem.

During my lifetime, I want to see some media folks given long sentences or executed for conspiring to throw the American presidential election of 2012.

I am serious as a heart attack.

cane_loader on December 27, 2012 at 9:33 PM

RIP GEN Stormin Norman

Don’t you just love Iowahawk. Boom, taste that biotch!

D-fusit on December 27, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Tim_CA on December 27, 2012 at 9:32 PM

LOL…jus’ call me “A” for short…

d1carter on December 27, 2012 at 9:34 PM

TXUS on December 27, 2012 at 9:29 PM

lolz..:)

Dire Straits on December 27, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Gregory had no intent to commit a crime; he was committing journalism instead.

There is a portion of Virginia near Reagan National Airport that is officially Washington, DC. Should a law-abiding Virginian with a concealed handgun permit be stopped by Metro Airport Police in that area and be carrying, he would be subject to DC law and prosecuted.

Intent has nothing to do with it. The patchwork of ridiculous laws applies to all. And we all must know them and deal with the consequences.

But then again, that’s what 2A is all about – the right to keep and bear arms – not for the elites to dictate what is and what is not a right. Or be above it.

dugan on December 27, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Any other laws from which journalists should be exempt?

malclave on December 27, 2012 at 9:29 PM

It’s a fine line. Freedom of the Press is.

I studied it in depth in college and so I’m not just making it up.

It’s not that their exempt… it’s that they have a certain shielding, akin to cops being allowed to carry weapons into a gun-free zone. It’s just not well defined, hence some of our current problems.

cane_loader on December 27, 2012 at 9:35 PM

But I don’t defend prosecuting him, no.

cane_loader on December 27, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Oh, I wouldn’t either, just as the “deport Piers” stuff is silly. Leave suicidal overkill to the moonbats, who do it best.

ddrintn on December 27, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Gotta go, I’ll check back in later!

cane_loader on December 27, 2012 at 9:36 PM

It’s not that their THEY’RE exempt… it’s that they have a certain shielding, akin to cops being allowed to carry weapons into a gun-free zone. It’s just not well defined, hence some of our current problems.

cane_loader on December 27, 2012 at 9:35 PM

cane_loader on December 27, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Does this apply to James O’Keefe too ?

burrata on December 27, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Both barrels, good shot.

davidk on December 27, 2012 at 9:36 PM

The freedom of the press is an venerable and critical scalpel of truth to maintain the Republic. That’s why it’s in the 1st Amendment.

cane_loader on December 27, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Freedom of the Press means freedom of political speech, not freedom from the law. The law applies to all, including the press.

You have to be totally crazy to think that the press would be excused from following the law. That’s just nuts.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 27, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Oh, I wouldn’t either, just as the “deport Piers” stuff is silly. Leave suicidal overkill to the moonbats, who do it best.

ddrintn on December 27, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Actually – parting thought – I don’t think the “deport Piers” stuff is silly. Different story – an alien trying to use his personal bias to shape our 2nd-Amendment debate.

In many countries, he would already be jailed, deported, or worse.

cane_loader on December 27, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Gregory had no intent to commit a crime

Did he intend to posses the magazine? Then he possessed the criminal intent necessary to be prosecuted. Now, if he was suffering under a delusion that he thought he was waiving around a pencil, then he could argue that he lacked criminal intent. Is Gregory delusional?

Blake on December 27, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Actually – parting thought – I don’t think the “deport Piers” stuff is silly. Different story – an alien trying to use his personal bias to shape our 2nd-Amendment debate.

In many countries, he would already be jailed, deported, or worse.

cane_loader on December 27, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Nah, it’s silly. He’s not going to be deported, and all that deportation stuff is doing is giving the guy free publicity. He’s eating it up.

ddrintn on December 27, 2012 at 9:41 PM

You have to be totally crazy to think that the press would be excused from following the law. That’s just nuts.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 27, 2012 at 9:37 PM

And that, my friend, is the creative, tightrope danger of being a journalist.

You can squeak by doing what Gregory did, when officials use discretion to decide whether to prosecute.

When you have gone a full year without breaking the law, get back to us.

You don’t seem to understand that journalists do take some risks – and break some laws – in the course of reporting. This is how it ALWAYS has been. Always has, always will. War reporters are famous for it.

If you honestly think Gregory should be prosecuted, I have some speeders’ license plates to give you next.

;-)

Gotta go.

cane_loader on December 27, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Gregory had no intent to commit a crime

Lacking intent to break the law or ignorance of the law has never been a defense. This is like the scribblings of a four year old. I can’t believe that such a fool is taken seriously by anyone.

Gregory needs to be have the book thrown at him for the law that he supports and wants to have forced on the rest of us. He should get the full year in jail, along with the rest of the crew at NBC who touched, planned, carried out that segment to get the illegal magazine ina nd out of the studio.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 27, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Gregory had no intent to commit a crime

Did he intend to posses the magazine? Then he possessed the criminal intent necessary to be prosecuted. Now, if he was suffering under a delusion that he thought he was waiving around a pencil, then he could argue that he lacked criminal intent. Is Gregory delusional?

Blake on December 27, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Well, as a commenter at that site pointed out, intent is irrelevant anyway, at least for us peasants.

ddrintn on December 27, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Gregory is guilty of practicing liberalism.

Morgan is a ungrateful guest.

They have alot in common, hypocracy being just one of them.

D-fusit on December 27, 2012 at 9:44 PM

And that, my friend, is the creative, tightrope danger of being a journalist.

cane_loader on December 27, 2012 at 9:41 PM

That’s beyond silly. Journalists have no license to break the law. The First Amendment didn’t give it to them. Common sense doesn’t give it to them.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 27, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Did he intend to posses the magazine? Then he possessed the criminal intent necessary to be prosecuted. Now, if he was suffering under a delusion that he thought he was waiving around a pencil, then he could argue that he lacked criminal intent. Is Gregory delusional?

Blake on December 27, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Try passing through airport security with a brass case in your pocket and see how well the “intent” argument works with TSA.

We’re preaching to the choir. The point of the Second Amendment is to protect the average American from the elitist, statist class in this country. Gregory will never understand this – he’s part of the protected class.

dugan on December 27, 2012 at 9:45 PM

In many countries, he would already be jailed, deported, or worse.

cane_loader on December 27, 2012 at 9:38 PM

I propose that Piers be deported ASAP to his homeland if his homeland refuses to lift their stupid ban on Dr. Savage .
Piers will be pretty content rubbing shoulders with the elite jihady scum that is welcome with open arms by his homeland !!!!

burrata on December 27, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Everyone should congratulate me, I just got a Journalists Certification from some online joint based out of Manchuria.

Now I can carry whatever guns I want, anywhere I want, and have no problems with the law because I can flash my press card and they have to let me go.

The crazy looking dude in the grocery store carrying the Barrett? Probably me.

Bishop on December 27, 2012 at 9:46 PM

‘It doesn’t take a hero”

I beg to differ Sir. Sometimes it does.

R.I.P.

wolly4321 on December 27, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Rest in peace, General Schwarzkopf.

You were among the great men that this country produced.

It just seems as though as each day passes, this nation dies just a little bit both literally and figuratively.

But we still have our God in the White House, don’t we?

All’s well, isn’t it?

turfmann on December 27, 2012 at 9:27 PM

I’m just glad we have Barry to guide us through these tough times. We used to have Generals and Admirals I respected. Now we have Powell, Wesley Clark and Petraeus—-who I’m mad about being chickenshit to his troops as well as family.

arnold ziffel on December 27, 2012 at 9:46 PM

“The Bold and the Brave–David Gregory”
http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/the-bold-and-the-brave-david-gregory-t10429.html

onlineanalyst on December 27, 2012 at 9:48 PM

It isn’t clear that Mr. Gregory is guilty of anything other than perhaps overzealousness in pursuit of the conventional gun-control wisdom, which is not a crime unless we want to empty newsrooms and fill up jails from coast to coast.

I can live with that.

Solaratov on December 27, 2012 at 9:48 PM

But I don’t defend prosecuting him, no.

cane_loader on December 27, 2012 at 9:26 PM

I do, make them live good and hard by the laws they support.

They want more of this, then remind them how stupid such laws can be by hammering them every time they so much as hold a rifle magazine.

Bishop on December 27, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Food for thought… just to throw evolving U.K. journalism law into the mix. If Gregory was exposing a hole in the system – which he actually was, in showing how easily he could get an illegal mag, ideas like these come into play:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/leveson-inquiry/9070654/Journalists-who-break-law-to-expose-injustice-will-not-be-prosecuted.html

cane_loader on December 27, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Lost in this discussion is any mention of Fast and Furious.

Patrap on December 27, 2012 at 9:51 PM

i know this is a little o/t…but not really in a way. I love this article from the NY Post about all the shocked NY libs discovering exactly what big government costs…i mean who Knew. No one in the press (e.g. David G) has every told them. All they know is that Bush is Evil…and that his Tax Cuts were for the Rich and they are Evil so screw them

lets go off the ‘cliff’ so these dumber-than-dirt libs begin to glimmer who the Left is, and why they have to Lie constantly…and why the Left needs an activist press to get the Truth out

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/jumping_out_of_their_kins_SpNwWIBDvSotYbcF7bQZ3O

now, the sad news is that obama will cut their taxes back to the bush rates…and barry will be Heralded by the leftist press and carried on their shoulders forward, a march for the future

r keller on December 27, 2012 at 9:52 PM

Let it burn.

Metanis on December 27, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Hasn’t Gregory just done gun-rights folks a backhand favor by pointing out the oppressive nature of the D.C. gun ban?

cane_loader on December 27, 2012 at 9:23 PM

For those that pay attention, yes…

… Too bad the same ‘journalistic integrity’ wasn’t practiced for ‘Fast and Furious’ and Benghazi.

Seven Percent Solution on December 27, 2012 at 9:54 PM

You don’t seem to understand that journalists do take some risks – and break some laws – in the course of reporting.

cane_loader on December 27, 2012 at 9:41 PM

If they’re not bound by the law, there’s no risk in breaking it.

No, I don’t expect him to be prosecuted… but he is a good poster child for liberals exempting themselves from the law.

malclave on December 27, 2012 at 9:54 PM

Not a thing is going to happen to this monkey pud-looking talking knob. It’s not really a question of accepting that annoying reality, but, rather, finding a more valuable target to engage.

M240H on December 27, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Gregory had no intent to commit a crime;

If that’s the standard then they can’t ban ammo magazines for any law abiding citizens because they have no intent to commit a crime, either. If the ruling class are above the law then so are the rest of us, but in the American way is that no man is above the law.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Gregory should investigate how easy prison shanks are to get, even though they are illegal. 1 year undercover report.

wolly4321 on December 27, 2012 at 9:59 PM

Gregory had no intent to commit a crime

Did he intend to posses the magazine? Then he possessed the criminal intent necessary to be prosecuted.

You don’t seem to understand the difference between the word and the spirit of the law. No one in law enforcement blindly follows the word of every law- if that were to occur, half the population would have a felony on their record.

It’s the reason why you see racketeering cases brought against organized crime and not senior care bingo halls. A reporter showing an ammunition cartridge on TV to illustrate a point isn’t going to be targeted by any sane prosecutor.

bayam on December 27, 2012 at 9:59 PM

Prosecute Gregory. He is a liberal anti-gun zealot. He is not above the law. They passed this law, in DC, they are subjected to it. They don’t like it, tough.Maybe we’ll finally have liberals pushing to change it. What a sight that will be.

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 27, 2012 at 9:59 PM

Here’s a new gun law I can support, assuming it isn’t a law already: actual criminals should forbidden from using high-capacity magazines. If a crime is committed with such a magazine then sentences/fines may/should be harsher than criminals who only use a gimped, 10-round magazines. Law abiding citizens, like David Gregory (supposedly), have no such restrictions.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 10:00 PM

But I don’t defend prosecuting him, no.

cane_loader on December 27, 2012 at 9:26 PM

He.broke.the.law.

Knowingly. After being told NOT to do it by the DC Metropolitan Police.

He knew that what he was going to do was a crime, and what penalties were involved.

And.he.broke.the.law.anyway.

He should be subject to the same penalties as anyone else for the crime.

If he’s not prosecuted, no one else in DC can ever be prosecuted for the same “crime” again. And, everyone prosecuted and convicted for that “crime” stands a good chance of having the conviction overturned.

Which is not all bad.

Solaratov on December 27, 2012 at 10:00 PM

It isn’t clear that Mr. Gregory is guilty of anything other than perhaps overzealousness in pursuit of the conventional gun-control wisdom, which is not a crime unless we want to empty newsrooms and fill up jails from coast to coast.

.
I’ll go one step farther … imprison the journalists who break the law and you will suddenly find a lot more journalists willing to return to objectivity and reporting BOTH sides of a story fairly.

I’ll guarantee it happens.

There is NO journalistic exemption from obeying the law written in the law or established as a precedent.

The ruling regarding libel only worked when journalists were a “fourth estate” – spearate from the government and providing external oversight.

Now they are the equivalent of the kid returned from college without a job or the least desire to find one, living in the basement, paying no rent but perfectly willing to find fault with everyone else in the world.

PolAgnostic on December 27, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Does the bighouse commissary sell hairspray?

wolly4321 on December 27, 2012 at 10:03 PM

You don’t seem to understand the difference between the word and the spirit of the law.

bayam on December 27, 2012 at 9:59 PM

Some of us are getting sick and tired of the spirit of the law exempting liberals, though.

malclave on December 27, 2012 at 10:03 PM

You don’t seem to understand the difference between the word and the spirit of the law. No one in law enforcement blindly follows the word of every law- if that were to occur, half the population would have a felony on their record.

It’s the reason why you see racketeering cases brought against organized crime and not senior care bingo halls. A reporter showing an ammunition cartridge on TV to illustrate a point isn’t going to be targeted by any sane prosecutor.

bayam on December 27, 2012 at 9:59 PM

I have NEVER did anything that would subject me to felony prosecution. Why exactly do YOU think Gregory should be exempted from the law? He violated the law, he knew that possessing a high capacity magazine was illegal in DC, therefore he KNOWINGLY chose to disregard the law. He needs to be perp walked promptly and booked in jail.

Bingo parlors and racketeering? Are you an idiot or what? How exactly do bingo parlors commit racketeering?

Raquel Pinkbullet on December 27, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Check it out. MSM lied again. No AR15 was used in the Newtown massacre.

jawkneemusic on December 27, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Mission Accomplished/

JPeterman on December 27, 2012 at 10:05 PM

What would media reaction be if a newspaper published a map of residents getting food stamps.

earlgrey133 on December 27, 2012 at 10:09 PM

You don’t seem to understand the difference between the word and the spirit of the law. No one in law enforcement blindly follows the word of every law- if that were to occur, half the population would have a felony on their record.

bayam on December 27, 2012 at 9:59 PM

Yeah … DC cops and prosecutors save their ire and hate for really nasty people like returning veterans who are transporting their gun collection, all separated, locked, and properly stored, and happen to stop at Walter Reed. In that case, a mag like Gregory had gets you arrested. Because the prosecutors and law enforcement in DC don’t act blindly. Oh no. They act with their eyes wide open and pick and choose who they will prosecute.

Of course, you slugs have the worm in the White House who thinks that he can issue waivers to anyone he wants for any law he doesn’t like. I want a national divorce from scum like you. You deserve the hell you are building, but I want nothing to do with you, at all.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 27, 2012 at 10:10 PM

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