Quotes of the day
posted at 9:01 pm on December 27, 2012 by Allahpundit
How perfect can you get? Mr. Gregory interrogates Mr. LaPierre on the subject of whether to ban a magazine that it is illegal for Mr. Gregory to display but apparently easy enough to acquire in time for a Sunday morning broadcast. So here we have a possible indictment that would be entirely nonsensical of a journalist who was trying to embarrass an NRA official over an ammunition ban whose impact would be entirely symbolic.
Various media are also reporting that an online petition is underway on the White House website calling for Mr. Gregory’s indictment. It isn’t clear that Mr. Gregory is guilty of anything other than perhaps overzealousness in pursuit of the conventional gun-control wisdom, which is not a crime unless we want to empty newsrooms and fill up jails from coast to coast.
Let’s get real here. People who don’t like Gregory, or his network, or the media, or gun control are using his little stunt to express a bit of manufactured outrage, as though he were some kind of criminal…
This reminds me of when investigative reporters sneak weapons or banned material through airport security and then get accused of breaking the law.
Gregory had no intent to commit a crime; he was committing journalism instead. Gun owners often say they want the government to leave them alone; why then are some clamoring for Gregory to be prosecuted?
One of the problems with the ever expanding gun laws advocated by Gregory and others is that otherwise law-abiding citizens get caught up inadvertently violating the law, like this soldier on leave from Afghanistan, while criminals do what they please and powerful people don’t get prosecuted.
The guns laws, as presently constituted and as proposed, turn us into a nation of men not of laws.
What Greta doesn’t understand is that David Gregory isn’t being investigated because he’s David Gregory; if he were anyone else, he’d already be in jail.
The media’s argument in favor of treating Gregory differently from any other citizen who does not anchor a popular Sunday news broadcast is, essentially, “come on! Really?”
Yes, really. The media’s defense of Gregory is entirely personal – he is a member of the media simply doing what the media does. Even if this law is applicable to Gregory (a fact which the media seems prepared to debate), this particular infraction should not result in any penalties. At no point has any member of the media asked if Washington D.C.’s law, which is aimed at reducing the glamour of these extended magazines, is absurd…
L’affaire de Gregory has exposed an unseemly sense of entitlement in the elite media. If the post-Newtown debate over gun control has shown that the media is somewhat out of touch with average Americans, the Gregory episode has revealed that they do not regard themselves as average Americans.
Culturally, one of the things lots of Americans detest about the elite journalistic culture is the idea that reporters are above the law. Usually, this self-regard manifests itself in debates over revealing sources. Many journalists honestly believe they have special rights and privileges not enjoyed by all Americans. As a matter of law and logic, that’s not the case (which is why some journalists want to see the licensing of journalists). We all have the right to commit journalism…
And here we have David Gregory breaking exactly the sorts of gun laws he’s advocating (and, yes, Gregory is serving as an advocate in one side of a debate while pretending otherwise — which annoys some people too). His defense — and Kurtz’s — is that his intentions were good. Well, yes, I’m sure that’s true. It’s also true of roughly 99.99% of legal gun owners. But, unlike those legal gun owners, Gregory knowingly broke the law he expects the rest of us to obey (he asked the cops if it was okay and they said, “No.”).
Those legal gun owners must obey the law, even if they think the law is stupid or intended to stop people with bad motives. What rankles a little is the idea that somehow Gregory’s motives are more pure because he’s a journalist just trying to make a point. What rankles a lot is the suggestion that people keen to point out this double standard are easily dismissed as lunkhead partisans who don’t understand how special people like Gregory are who are unwilling to give him special dispensation.
Thousands of people, many from outside Westchester, Rockland and Putnam counties, have taken to their computers and phones in rage after The Journal News posted an online database of local gun permit holders.
The database, legally obtained from the county clerks’ offices through a Freedom of Information Act request made after the shootings in Newtown, Conn., that left 20 children and eight adults dead, has been called irresponsible, dangerous and leaning toward intimidation by several online pundits…
Hundreds of callers have complained, claiming publication of the database put their safety at risk or violated their privacy. Others claimed publication was illegal. Many of the callers were vitriolic and some threatened members of the newspaper staff.
“New York residents have the right to own guns with a permit and they also have a right to access public information,” said Janet Hasson, president and publisher of The Journal News Media Group.
Since that’s where I grew up, I went right to my old neighborhood and clicked on all the dots. While it brought a sense of nostalgia, it also felt like a complete privacy intrusion.
Are gun owners now going to be stigmatized like sex offenders?
I think it’s an attempt at intimidation. I wonder if any of those whose addresses were published are immediate family members of federal officials or employees, and covered by 18 USC Section 119, which prohibits publishing home addresses for intimidation. Or if the internet publication of home addresses of gun owners can be considered cyber stalking, cyber-bullying, harassment or invasion of privacy under state laws? Just because the information is available under a FOIA request, does that mean it can be publicly disseminated? I’m sure they checked with their lawyers and felt like they were on safe ground, but I hope somebody sues them.
Over the weekend, The Journal News newspaper published maps with the addresses and names of pistol permit holders in Westchester and Rockland Counties. The information for the map was legally obtained by the paper through a Freedom of Information Act request, but it sparked a nationwide controversy among those who considered the map a privacy violation. This morning, State Senator Greg Ball weighed in by proposing legislation to keep gun records private and prevent the publication of similar stories in the future. He also blasted “the asinine editors at The Journal News” who published the map…
“The Journal News has placed the lives of these folks at risk by creating a virtual shopping list for criminals and nut jobs,” Mr. Ball said. “Publishing this information on a website provides criminals with a map of where they can steal firearms from lawful owners for later use in the commission of crimes. Preventing the theft of guns and their criminal misuse is an important public-policy goal. This map is bad for the good guys and good for the bad guys.”
I am not a big fan of the maps that show sex offenders, but at least there is a logical reason for posting them, even though the offenders often no longer live where the maps show them to be. And even when they do, how much risk do they pose? The maps can’t know that. The difference between the sex offender maps and the gun permit maps is that sex offenders have been convicted of a crime. The permit holders are accused of nothing…
If publishing the data because it is public and the public seems to be interested in the topic right now is reason enough, then there are endless databases to exploit…
I like it when journalists take heat for an explosive, necessary, courageous investigation that exposes important wrongdoing. There is journalistic purpose and careful decision-making supporting those stories. But The News Journal is taking heat for starting a gunfight just because it could.
Via the Mediaite.
Via the Daily Caller.
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So if you and your wife have a pistol for home defense purposes, what happens if you’re incapacitated during the fight, on vacation, at work, running errands, et al.
I guess she’s just grist for the mill, eh libfree? nonpartisan, what about you? She deserves to die because her husband is out getting milk?
Washington Nearsider on May 17, 2013 at 6:03 PM
Make this known
Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 6:04 PM
May I repeat, Liberalism, where “thoughtful” legislation, unsubstantiated by empirical data, unfunded and unwanted by the majority of its law abiding, productive citizens, must be written in an effort to demonstrate “we did something”. (See Obamacare, Guns, War on Poverty, Dept of Ed.,Head Start, “Green” programs, Fannie Mae, Job Stimulus, etc).
hillsoftx on May 17, 2013 at 6:05 PM
Yeah, I’m sure somebody’s going to hack up the Colt 1911 they got from their grandfather just to try to please these whiners.
Something tells me the criminal’s gun won’t have this nifty feature.
CurtZHP on May 17, 2013 at 6:06 PM
Chocolate bullets, now that’s something women would die for.
antipc on May 17, 2013 at 6:06 PM
Probably be programmed to shoot conservatives.
justltl on May 17, 2013 at 6:06 PM
How about knives? Do they want to retrofit knives with this lovely technology?
Baseball bats?
Lead pipes?
How about being strangled by bare hands, do your hands need this as well?
ajacksonian on May 17, 2013 at 6:07 PM
gotta really start teaching gun owners how to double-tap. One in the pumphouse, one in the breakerbox.
kurtzz3 on May 17, 2013 at 6:07 PM
No charges expected against the homeowner.
cozmo on May 17, 2013 at 6:09 PM
Didn’t these clowns pass the ban on plastic guns because of a movie? What was that movie called with John Malkovich?
How can any self respecting human being take any democrat seriously? They live in a fantasyland!
jawkneemusic on May 17, 2013 at 6:09 PM
Isn’t that the point?
If anybody would want a gun like that, it’s the cops, since they face the constant threat of their gun being taken away by criminals and used against them. So, why don’t you see departments armed with them or laws requiring cops to have them? Simple: They don’t exist — at least not with levels of reliability needed when you life depends on them working.
You want us to have a James Bond gun, Congressman Tierney? Government first.
Socratease on May 17, 2013 at 6:10 PM
Once again. I’m humbled by the simple honesty and wisdom of children. :)
*pauses for effect*
I demand that all police officers and military personnel immediately load their guns with chocolate bullets.
Axe on May 17, 2013 at 6:10 PM
It’s tempting to say that Biden’s mind operates on the level of a 2nd grader, but more likely he was just being nice to the kid.
Socratease on May 17, 2013 at 6:13 PM
It’s not about gun control. Do not co-op the language. When they own the language, they own the argument. There is a reason they are doing this… ~ Don Bongino
Fallon on May 17, 2013 at 6:14 PM
A$$clowns.
jawkneemusic on May 17, 2013 at 6:16 PM
Well, my hands are registered as lethal weapons… /
squint on May 17, 2013 at 6:18 PM
Liberals are so dumb. Do they really believe in the sh!t they throw out there as ideas? What a complete waste of time they are.
tommer74 on May 17, 2013 at 6:19 PM
We are talking about the guy who has given notoriously illegal advice on using shotguns on at least two separate occasions. And despite his protestations to the contrary, if he could make chocolate squirt guns the most lethal machine available to the public, he would.
Fenris on May 17, 2013 at 6:20 PM
That’s easy. Tackling:
rogerb on May 17, 2013 at 6:21 PM
Then they’d regulate and penalize chocolate ownership.
catmman on May 17, 2013 at 6:22 PM
Just wait till a kid brings a couple of the chocolate rounds to school.
tommer74 on May 17, 2013 at 6:22 PM
It’s all funny until someone gets “fudged up”.
squint on May 17, 2013 at 6:24 PM
Tierney, sounds like tyranny. Can you imagine, tho, how many jobs in Big Chocolate this would create? With all the different calibers out there the jobs list is endless.
Kissmygrits on May 17, 2013 at 6:25 PM
Only if they have a creamy peanut butter center!
Kingfisher on May 17, 2013 at 6:26 PM
You can take down a unicorn with those chocolate bullets you know.
justltl on May 17, 2013 at 6:32 PM
I volunteer to test the quality of each caliber.
Do you think the bullet shortage will cause this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NPzLBSBzPI
Kingfisher on May 17, 2013 at 6:33 PM
Here’s a sneaky trick. Lick the grip of your handgun. Then, if a bad guy gets it, you’ll know that he is likely to get a really nasty sniffle.
(Don’t know what I’m trying to prove with this. Just made me chuckle when I thought if it)
kurtzz3 on May 17, 2013 at 6:33 PM
Dayum. Just Dayum.
notropis on May 17, 2013 at 6:39 PM
Just wait until they are fully regulated… and if you don’t ask permission for their use, why, they will have to make you mostly armless.
ajacksonian on May 17, 2013 at 6:40 PM
Back in the 1980s when I was an FFL licensed dealer, ammo manufacturer and gunsmith; a few people actually invented and marketed this concept, and a few silly cop shops and a few silly individuals actually purchased and implemented it.
Some were simple magnetic devices that operated from a magnet in a ring. Others were electronic, although I forget what the (un) locking mechanism was.
Batteries failed at inopportune times, Magnetic rings didn’t happen to be on the hand when bad guys broke in. Good people died because of it..
And while the concept might save lives of good guys who get disarmed in a fight, there is no way that a retrofitted firearm couldn’t be ‘unretrofitted’ in minutes, so that wouldn’t prevent crimes from being committed with stolen firearms.
LegendHasIt on May 17, 2013 at 6:45 PM
And as far as chocolate goes…. Milk chocolate may not be instantly lethal….
Lets see, a Hershey’s kiss is about .72 Caliber.
How long before one of the YouTube gun channels loads up a 12 ga shell with one and shoots it at a watermelon?
But some of that dark chocolate is awfully hard, and I don’t think I’d want to be hit by a chunk traveling 1000fps. (You would probably need a gas check and a refrigerated barrel to get much more velocity.. I wonder what Hoppe’s No. 9 and chocolate smell like in solution. ;-)
LegendHasIt on May 17, 2013 at 6:56 PM
This concept has been “developing” for the last 20 years. And has a long way to go before it becomes FOOLPROOF. Last time I checked, their reliability was still between 75-80%. So if you fell into that other 20% at a critical time, guess the manufacturer would give you your money back.
Tierney is a FOOL. Next thing you know, Teirney will be insisting that everyone use Teleporters to go from one place to another.
It works in the movies.
GarandFan on May 17, 2013 at 6:59 PM
Again when the FBI and the Presidential Security Detail adopt both the Chocolate Bullet and this Personalization Technology, I will adopt it…
BTW, a chocolate .40 cal pistol round is just a dangerous at 5-10 metres as a metal, I would imagine. Chocolate, like water isn’t “soft” at hi speeds….1-2 grams of ANYTHING moving at several hundred metres per second is going to hurt and do some damage.
JFKY on May 17, 2013 at 7:06 PM
I was hoping for the Holodeck, first, myself….Veronica Zemanova and I have a “rendezvous” if you know what I mean….
JFKY on May 17, 2013 at 7:06 PM
Ray Nagin was mayor of “Chocolate City”.
Biden wants to be VP of “Chocolate Nation”.
Bitter Clinger on May 17, 2013 at 7:25 PM
Has the race card been played yet? Chocolate bullets has to be code words for something bad.
meci on May 17, 2013 at 7:26 PM
I say we go the whole “Dredd” route….IIRC, when a baddie tried to use the rookie’s gun on her, it exploded, taking off the baddie’s arm! I’dd prefer that I think…
Also, can anyone explain how the Judge’s weapons worked? I’m puzzled how one small ammunition module could produce such a plethora and multiplicity of rounds…..
JFKY on May 17, 2013 at 7:31 PM
They can have my hands when they can pry them from my cold dead wrists!
squint on May 17, 2013 at 7:37 PM
Until the day comes when you find out your kids ate all the ammunition.
Bishop on May 17, 2013 at 7:51 PM
Ok, say this technology was available and my husband was the one the gun was fitted for.
He goes out of town, someone breaks into the house. The gun is of no use to me.
Idiots!!!!
Barred on May 17, 2013 at 8:20 PM
Even earlier, in the Seventies, some (redacted) tried to sell the magnetic ring version to several of our local PDs here. Trouble was, it consistently failed to work when the batteries in the revolver’s butt got weak. And since the default was “fire”, that meant that it would probably work if the perp tried to use the revolver on the officer.
By comparison, we solved the problem on the multi-county level by teaching weapon retention techniques. I.E., if perp tries to grab the sidearm, instead of pulling away, thrust forward with it like a knife. A gun barrel punch in the guts hurts. (Squeezing the trigger at the same time is optional.)
Probably the best solution was, and is, the Smith & Wesson autos with the magazine safety. If you’re about to lose control of the weapon, hit the mag release. It drops out, and the perp can’t fire the round in the chamber. I carried a 645 on duty for years for just that reason. Plus, I’d already come to appreciate the feature on my backup, a P-35 High Power.
I’ve always held that a second loaded gun is the fastest reload there is. And it should have a decently large magazine capacity. The reason being that if you’re in a situation where you need that “fast reload”, there’s a good chance you’re up against multiple assailants. And reloading either the primary or the backup might be a practical impossibility, because you’re in one of those situations in which, as the old river pilot’s saying goes,
cheers
eon
eon on May 17, 2013 at 8:51 PM
Silly, you can poop, pee and vomit on yourself, it’s not like you are DEFENSELESS, *SHEESH*
JFKY on May 17, 2013 at 9:02 PM
Multiplicity, yes; plethora, no. The Lawgiver was based on an idea they apparently snitched from the original novel Logan’s Run by William F. Nolan and George Clayton Johnson, written back in the Sixties.
Never mind the (stupid) movie and (stupider) TV show. The original Sandman Gun was a six-shot revolver, with a cylinder that could be replaced like the magazine in an automatic. Old idea, that; the Remington and Adams revolvers had that feature, and came with spare cylinders, back in percussion days. Watch the Clint Eastwood movie Pale Rider to see the Preacher (Clint) use that feature of the Remington 1861 Army (metallic-cartridge conversion) to “speedload” during the final gunfight.
The Sandman revolver held four types of rounds;
Tangler; fired a ‘net’ of very tough fibers that entangled the target.
Gas; trank round.
Ripper; Basically a Glaser prefragmented round, except with an actual explosive charge in it. Nasty.
Homer; an infra-red homer like a Sidewinder air-to-air missile, with a Ripper “warhead”. It homed on the exact heat of a human body, 98.6 degrees F.
A set of buttons on the grip let the Sandman select the round. Usual load was two Gas, one Tangler, two Ripper, one Homer.
The Lawgiver worked on a similar setup. a triple-stack magazine held three types of round; baton (rubber bullet), standard (armor-piercing), and explosive. The Judge selected the round he or she wanted by either flipping a lever on the side (in the comics) or by voice command (in the movie). The Lawgiver was also selective-fire in the comics; trouble was, once you’d selected the type of round (say, HE), and squeezed the trigger, the gun would cheerfully fire just that type on full-auto. Leaving you without that selection until you ejected that mag and put in a full one.
The mechanism inside apparently worked like the dual-feed on some automatic cannon like the old West German Gepard Flakpanzer anti-aircraft tank (dual Oerlikon/Contraves 35mm, firing 850 rounds per minute per barrel- nasty). That setup lets the gunner shift from, say, proximity-fuzed anti-aircraft to armor-piercing HE, if while he’s on overwatch for enemy tactical air an enemy tank suddenly pops over the next rise and bears down on him. Personally, I have my doubts about anything that sophisticated working consistently in a pistol, even one the size and weight of a freakin’ .50 Desert Eagle.
To add to the hilarity, the lower “box” on the movie version was apparently supposed to be some kind of grenade launcher, which was why when Dredd (Stallone) said “grenade”, its barrel extended, and it fired instead of the “regular” barrel. If you watched the “reimagined” Battlestar Galactica on Sci-Fi Channel, that funky little streamlined widget under the nose of their FN Five-SeveN pistols was supposed to be the same deal.
The problem with any version of the Lawgiver is that at best, its “multistack” magazine will only be able to hold about five or six rounds of any one type of ammo, total of fifteen to eighteen rounds. That’s about what most modern 9mm service pistols hold, and supposedly in Dredd’s Mega-City One a high-capacity 9mm isn’t a big enough gun, with enough firepower, to be survivable. Hence all the Judge firepower.
Maybe what they really need is more range time. I’ve found it can work wonders. Especially with classes of recruits who only know pistols, rifles, and shotguns from…TV cop shows.
(Yes, I’ve trained such. It was emphatically not an experience to calm one’s nerves.)
cheers
eon
eon on May 17, 2013 at 9:25 PM
Meh. Adele’s had much better songs that “Skyfall.”
Even this song by
the male AdeleThe Neighbourhood was better than “Skyfall.”Myron Falwell on May 18, 2013 at 12:49 AM
Clearly what we need is “Men” control.
ronsfi on May 18, 2013 at 7:08 AM
This has been discussed before with excruciating detail. In fact it comes up with nearly every mass shooting. Retrofitting 17th century technology with 21st is at best problematic… but most importantly, the technology is unreliable. It’ll be ready for prime time when the cops and the military adopt it.
John_G on May 18, 2013 at 9:40 AM
Because of the train wreck in Connecticut, I think we should ban trains that carry people. They are definitely dangerous, and Connecticut wants to ban anything that is dangerous. Just think about how many children are in danger because of wrecking trains!
Old Country Boy on May 18, 2013 at 10:57 AM
I know everyone loves the biometric locks on laptops. Why not implement that wildly successful technology on all our potentially life saving devices?
For that matter, if you’re going to have an electronic lockout on your weapon, why not a dual permission system that requires both the confirmed identity of the user and clearance from your local law enforcement agency to fire? They can simply be notified by the device that you have requested clearance to fire, and some lackey can press a little red button to clear you once they feel certain you’re not going to shoot an ex lover. Or any member of a historically disadvantaged or politically favorable group, union, or mostly peaceful protest. Or an animal with a treatable illness like rabies. And no shooting of any kind on Wednesdays, of course, or during regular school hours. Or within 1000 yards of an abortion clinic or mosque. They would of course be scrupulous in ascertaining that you are current in your Obamacare payments, and that you haven’t prayed to any unapproved Deities or donated to admittedly racist tea party groups.
Other than that it would be business as usual under the bill of rights. Carry on!
TexasDan on May 18, 2013 at 11:20 AM
Dude, considering you were answering a question related to a comic book… whoa. You officially know way too much stuff.
And, yes, this is stupid technology; it always has been. If it’s an issue of the gun being picked up while it’s “laying around” then it shouldn’t be “laying around”. If it’s an issue of losing the gun in close quarters, then you probably screwed up tactically to start with, and you should use good weapons retention techniques to keep the gun instead of counting on technology to save your bacon.
BTW, what do you think will happen once the bad guy takes your disabled gun away from you? Now you’re no longer armed. At best, he’s gonna take that handgun and shove it up your Biden. At worst, he’s going to take out his weapon and kill you with it. Better to just hold onto the thing.
(And, good info, LegendHasIt and eon.)
GWB on May 18, 2013 at 11:23 AM