Piers Morgan ends by actually saying debate should always be respectful, and that “the moment it becomes dis-courteous and rude, you never achieve anything.” Seriously, has this guy never seen a mirror before?

Good post. mazer9 claims to be a non-leftist, but you cannot tell that by the way it converses.

I have friends who are atheists, agnostics, of different religions, Christian denominations, and political leanings than me – what we have in common in respect for each other whether or not we agree. It is blatantly apparent that mazer9 does not understand this concept, which is why I find mazer9 to be self-important, boring, and too stupid to take seriously.

I could never be friends with such people, much less engage them for long in discussions about our opinions/beliefs. Can you remember running into these arrogant schmucks, who have painfully underdeveloped social skills, at parties, conventions, or other social gatherings? No one wants to interact them! :)

Anti-Control on January 2, 2013 at 4:35 AM

What’s more “arrogant” than thinking that people who don’t share your beliefs are going to burn in hell? Isn’t that precisely why you consider yourselves “saved”?

You can’t make this stuff up…

You’re a heckler then, plain and simple.

It’s easy to criticize the beliefs of others, all we know about you so far is that you boil Christianity down to solely its mystical elements without giving any pause to how these inform its philosophical ones.

You are a coward who chooses to attack what even religious adherents describe as mysteries in lieu of explaining your own belief system for the critical review of others.

I’m quite certain you believe in more than a few absurd tales yourself, but no, lets talk about your beefs with well-established, infinitely discussed Christian mysticism instead. Surely your sarcastic detraction will add something new to a practice rehashed over two millenia.

BKennedy on January 2, 2013 at 1:31 AM

Good post. mazer9 claims to be a non-leftist, but you cannot tell that by the way it converses.

I have friends who are atheists, agnostics, of different religions, Christian denominations, and political leanings than me – what we have in common in respect for each other whether or not we agree. It is blatantly apparent that mazer9 does not understand this concept, which is why I find mazer9 to be self-important, boring, and too stupid to take seriously.

I could never be friends with such people, much less engage them for long in discussions about our opinions/beliefs. Can you remember running into these arrogant schmucks, who have painfully underdeveloped social skills, at parties, conventions, or other social gatherings? No one wants to interact them! :)

“Bad faith”? Do you not believe such things? It’s ridiculous I know. I can believe in “goodwill towards men” without believing any of the tales of the bible.

mazer9 on January 2, 2013 at 1:06 AM

You’re a heckler then, plain and simple.

It’s easy to criticize the beliefs of others, all we know about you so far is that you boil Christianity down to solely its mystical elements without giving any pause to how these inform its philosophical ones.

You are a coward who chooses to attack what even religious adherents describe as mysteries in lieu of explaining your own belief system for the critical review of others.

I’m quite certain you believe in more than a few absurd tales yourself, but no, lets talk about your beefs with well-established, infinitely discussed Christian mysticism instead. Surely your sarcastic detraction will add something new to a practice rehashed over two millenia.

You probably can – but you sound like an ignorant child when you, in bad faith, diminish Christianity to being about virgin births and talking serpents.

“Bad faith”? Do you not believe such things? It’s ridiculous I know. I can believe in “goodwill towards men” without believing any of the tales of the bible.

I said nothing about politics. Outside of not believing in fairy tales, no one would mistake me for a liberal.

mazer9 on January 1, 2013 at 3:02 PM

My problem with your posts is mostly that you are choosing to focus anger and hatred on what you think are the illogical and stupid things Christians believe without acknowledging the legion and useful things that are also inspired by that religious outlook and philosophy.

It is highly convenient to think you can separate a religion that holds there is a physical, supernatural evil from its attached precepts that the existence of such requires physical, supernatural goodness towards fellow human beings.

You probably can – but you sound like an ignorant child when you, in bad faith, diminish Christianity to being about virgin births and talking serpents.

Given a choice between the two of them, I’ll take the person who thinks a demon in serpent form could talk over the person who thinks pregnant human women aren’t carrying human babies. The former is internally consistent, the latter is objectively errant and impossibly stupid.

BKennedy on January 1, 2013 at 12:43 PM

I’m glad to see you at least can tell the difference between a consistent and non-destructive belief system and one that is as consistent as a bowl of Jell-O and is like sulfuric acid on the pillars of civilized society.

Think what you will about Christian beliefs; but know that they do not inevitably result legalized theft, blatant doublespeak, and DEATH. Liberalism does.

BKennedy on January 1, 2013 at 12:43 PM

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Sir, you’re obviously a right-wing evangelical extremist (like myself), and as such, our opinions are “invalidated”.

listens2glenn on January 1, 2013 at 1:47 PM

I said nothing about politics. Outside of not believing in fairy tales, no one would mistake me for a liberal.

Let’s assume you’re right and this is the sum total of Christianity.

Those beliefs affect no one.

Whereas the leftist religion believes that humanity is the source of bad weather and massive government (ironically made of men) is required to solve it, that a man should not be the principle benefactor of his own labor, that children made of human parents in a human womb is not human, and that there is no objective difference between the relationships of men and men, men and women, and women and women respectively.

Given a choice between the two of them, I’ll take the person who thinks a demon in serpent form could talk over the person who thinks pregnant human women aren’t carrying human babies. The former is internally consistent, the latter is objectively errant and impossibly stupid.

You do realize you don’t have to choose either one. Right?

BKennedy on January 1, 2013 at 12:43 PM

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Sir, you’re obviously a right-wing evangelical extremist (like myself), and as such, our opinions are “invalidated”.

Ironically enough I think we would say that people who believe in virgin births, talking serpents, and the walking dead are “mentally ill”.

mazer9 on December 31, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Let’s assume you’re right and this is the sum total of Christianity.

Those beliefs affect no one.

Whereas the leftist religion believes that humanity is the source of bad weather and massive government (ironically made of men) is required to solve it, that a man should not be the principle benefactor of his own labor, that children made of human parents in a human womb is not human, and that there is no objective difference between the relationships of men and men, men and women, and women and women respectively.

Given a choice between the two of them, I’ll take the person who thinks a demon in serpent form could talk over the person who thinks pregnant human women aren’t carrying human babies. The former is internally consistent, the latter is objectively errant and impossibly stupid.

mazer9 on December 31, 2012 at 9:37 AM

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Jesus will show himself to you, but by then it will be too late for you to decide He’s “real”.

Why did America even waste one ounce of welcome on this fool.

Yep. What an attention-starved, oblivious creature mazer9 is!

mazer9 suffers from a God complex, has an unhealthy obsession with religion, is mentally ill to the point of being incapable of intelligent discussion, and has been reduced to speaking to itself because it is so boring.

Ironically enough I think we would say that people who believe in virgin births, talking serpents, and the walking dead are “mentally ill”.

And, you as well! :)

You have just spent days arguing against Someone whom you do not believe exists.

Methinks thou doth protest too much.

kingsjester on December 31, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Yep. What an attention-starved, oblivious creature mazer9 is!

mazer9 suffers from a God complex, has an unhealthy obsession with religion, is mentally ill to the point of being incapable of intelligent discussion, and has been reduced to speaking to itself because it is so boring.

Have a good day, kj. :)

You have just spent days arguing against Someone whom you do not believe exists.

Methinks thou doth protest too much.

Show me a talking serpent, “Satan”, “Jesus”, or an “angel” and perhaps, I’ll reconsider my stance…

Until then it’s just wishful thinking on your part.

-fixed

I’m “unserious” and “unscientific”, yet you are the one who believes in talking serpents, virgin births, and the, walking dead.

Talk about irony.

mazer9 on December 31, 2012 at 8:47 AM

Yes, that’s right, you are unserious and scientific!

I said to you, “You are a predictable, uninteresting, projecting fool. So, why don’t you try proving that I’m wrong about that? lol”, and “Do you know what “logical fallacies” are? What leads you to believe you are skilled enough to be able to spot them in your own statements? Show us a sign you are intelligent enough to provide evidence of your “talent” in this area.”

You were given the opportunity to prove that I was wrong about you – of course, you failed, miserably, and offered no sign that you are intelligently introspective. All you did was show that you only know how to talk at people, not with them, proving what a poor communicator you are, which is why I called you a babbler.

You continue to make me laugh with your denial, stupidity and incompetence – as I’ve already given you more attention than you deserve, that is all I have left to say to you! Bye now! :D

you are an unserious, babbling person with your own subjective axe to grind, and thus you waste everyone‘s time, including your own.

I’m “unserious” and “unscientific”, yet you are the one who believes in talking serpents, virgin births, and the, walking dead.

Talk about irony.

People like you aren’t interested in the truth.

This has already been said this about you as you unknowingly confuse your assertions with reality, to which you come back with a, ‘I know you are, but what am I?’ argument, and are too stupid to understand why I say that no one should take you seriously, as you chase your own tail like a dumb dog.

You are a predictable, uninteresting, projecting fool. So, why don’t you try proving that I’m wrong about that? lol

You rather believe in the voices in your head because you are afraid of the fact that you will die, so you take comfort in fairy tales. “Personal experiences” are just that: personal. If god exists his existence would be evident to all. Not just a fortunate few who can conjure ghosts.

mazer9 on December 30, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Do you know what “logical fallacies” are? What leads you to believe you are skilled enough to be able to spot them in your own statements? Show us a sign you are intelligent enough to provide evidence of your “talent” in this area.

I see that you are a poor debater. You know why I say that? You obviously don’t examine your premises before you make them – you don’t bother concerning yourself with how unprovable they are before you accept them at face value. For instance, how do you know I am the least bit afraid of death? What kind of moron would say with a straight face that personal experiences are only personal and never objectively real – would you care to continue down this route, and say that eyewitness testimony is never accurate?

You are not a scientific person, no more than AGW diehards are, yet you believe this about yourself despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary – as I’ve already said, you are an unserious, babbling person with your own subjective axe to grind, and thus you waste everyone‘s time, including your own.

If god exists his existence would be evident to all. Not just a fortunate few who can conjure ghosts.

mazer9 on December 30, 2012 at 7:54 PM

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It is “self evident” to all.

That includes you.

People like mazer9 are not interested in your personal experiences, and believe they understand them better than you even though they cannot prove they do – this doesn’t stop them from grinding their axes though, does it?

That is why I have emphasized in this thread the wisdom of not taking such pseudo-scientific hypocrites seriously – they believe their opinions are superior to yours in a rude manner, showing that they are arrogant, unserious, and a waste of time.

It is obvious that proselytizing antitheists like mazer9 are insecure and discontented – any defensive denials by them only reaffirm the assertion.

People like you aren’t interested in the truth. You rather believe in the voices in your head because you are afraid of the fact that you will die, so you take comfort in fairy tales. “Personal experiences” are just that: personal. If god exists his existence would be evident to all. Not just a fortunate few who can conjure ghosts.