Hmmm: Obama to send “scaled-back” fiscal cliff plan to Senate? Update: House back in session Sunday
posted at 3:01 pm on December 27, 2012 by Allahpundit
Scott Brown wrote on Facebook that O had something in the works, the White House and Harry Reid’s office quickly denied it, and now CNN’s citing sources on both sides who say, yep, there’s a new offer coming.
The tedium-to-suspense ratio of this clusterfark is now approaching that of a “Scooby Doo” episode. And not a good episode, either. One with Scrappy.
A Republican senator said Obama told Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, that the president’s plan would arrive on Thursday, and a Senate Democratic leadership member also said that was the approach being taken. Both sources spoke on condition of not being identified further.
The move would answer McConnell’s call for the president or Senate Democrats to make the first move in the political standoff over how to prevent or soften automatic tax hikes and spending cuts of the fiscal cliff set to take effect in the new year — just five days away…
Last Friday, Obama proposed a scaled-back agreement that included his call for extending tax cuts on households with incomes under $250,000, as well as an extension of unemployment insurance.
However, there were no immediate details available on the exact components of the measure that the sources said was headed to Congress on Thursday.
If there’s an offer in the works — and that’s a big if — why would the White House play it close to the vest? That’s the sort of thing you do when you’re serious about negotiations and want to give the other side time to huddle without having to deal with public pressure. There’s no reason for O to be serious about this until next month. Matt Yglesias is unfortunately right that his hand will get stronger, not weaker, once we go over the cliff:
Conrad wants to split the difference between the President’s last offer and Boehner’s last offer. Then once something like that difference-splitting bill passes the Senate, Boehner gets to take it up as the new baseline for negotiations and pull the ultimate resolution even further to the right.
But that’s exactly why Obama would be foolish to take any such thing seriously. Starting in the New Year, the Senate gets more liberal. The House also gets more liberal. And the policy baseline also gets more liberal. The White House isn’t going to pull the plug on negotiations, but unless Boehner comes back to the table with something new to say they have no incentive to further weakn their hand.
Why would O quietly put a credible offer on the table now when he can do a big, showy “tax hikes on everyone who makes more than $250K” take-it-or-leave it ultimatum, wait a week while the media goes to work on how this is all the GOP’s fault, and then come back to the table with even more Democrats in the Senate and the House? And remember, Boehner’s Speakership is on the line on January 3; if O’s plan insists on a relatively low bar for new tax hikes (i.e. $250,000) and Boehner brings it to the floor anyway, that may be the end of his tenure. He needs to be re-elected Speaker first, which means we’re headed over the cliff — unless Obama’s “scaled-back” plan raises the tax-hike bar enough ($500,000? $600,000) to make it kinda sorta acceptable to Boehner and centrist House Republicans. But then you get into a new issue: How far can the bar rise before liberals in the House start to walk away? Getting 30 Republicans to vote yes on a bill that raises taxes on earners over $600,000 isn’t inconceivable, but getting the entire Democratic caucus to vote yes with them might be. The tax-hike “sweet spot” here is narrow; see Nate Silver’s graph today to understand why. How hard is Obama planning to twist Democrats’ arms to get them to back a plan he has no real incentive to offer in the first place?
Then again, Conn Carroll makes a good case that there are enough RINOs in the Senate to pass virtually anything:
Just this Sunday, Politico reported that Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Ga., has gone on record in favor of a bill that would extend tax rates for incomes below $250,000. “If we get down to the end of this year and the only choice we have is to save taxes going up on the middle class, then I would support that,” Isakson said. And Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, committed to a similar policy Friday. “One of the beauties of that bill is it wouldn’t require a vote to raise anybody’s taxes, and I think that is a major advantage,” Cornyn said of a bill that would prevent middle class tax hikes.
That’s two Republican Senate votes Obama’s fall-back plan right there. Now Obama only needs five.
Maine’s Sens. Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins are gimmees. Now Obama only needs three.
Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, is always easily bought and Sen. Scott Brown, R-Mass., will be desperate to vote with Obama while running for a special election in a blue state. That is two more votes right there. Now Obama only needs one.
That last vote will be cast by Dick Lugar, of course. That makes 60 in the Senate, although it’s an open question whether they need even that many. McConnell hasn’t said yet whether O’s plan will be filibustered; Rand Paul, for one, has called on the GOP to let Democrats pass whatever tax hikes they want with Republicans voting “present” to keep their fingerprints off of the results. Assuming it does pass with a low-ish income bar for new taxes, that’ll bring most (or all) of the House’s Democrats onboard. The only mystery then will be whether Boehner’s prepared to hold out, a la Yglesias’s prediction, and demand an entirely new bill with a higher bar or whether he’ll say “to hell with it” and let centrist Republicans vote to push it through. My money’s on the latter — but not before January 3.
Exit question: What sort of guarantees will Boehner need to make to the GOP caucus about the fiscal cliff to survive the Speaker vote? House conservatives won’t vote for him if they expect him to cave on Obama’s tax-hike plan the day after. He’ll have to give them some sort of assurance to make it through.
Update: Double hmmmm:
House Republican leaders are bringing the House back into session on Sunday, lawmakers were told in a Thursday conference call…
“We are waiting on the Senate,” [Boehner] told lawmakers on a call restricted to the 241 lawmakers in the House Republican Conference.
My gut reaction when I saw that was that maybe there really is a scaled-back Obama plan after all and Boehner’s getting ready in case he needs to vote on it. But maybe not. One of the big GOP worries in all this is that they’ll take the blame if we head off the cliff; if the House isn’t even in session when it happens, it’ll make the media’s inevitable “Republicans aren’t serious” narrative that much easier for them. Best to have all hands on deck and prepared to act even if nothing happens.
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Rats. LOL!
Difficultas_Est_Imperium on May 19, 2013 at 12:03 AM
“You Know”
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 12:03 AM
Did now.
Resist We Much on May 19, 2013 at 12:04 AM
Hitler. Won. Democratically.
Schadenfreude on May 19, 2013 at 12:04 AM
:-)
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 12:05 AM
*opens book*
*records miss*
*closes book*
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 12:05 AM
Schadenfreude on May 19, 2013 at 12:06 AM
*he reopens book*
Resist We Much on May 19, 2013 at 12:06 AM
lol, Schad
Resist We Much on May 19, 2013 at 12:06 AM
News of the day: He has books.
nobar on May 19, 2013 at 12:07 AM
Suite!
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 12:09 AM
Someone tell Obama that “It’s the law” is not 3 words.
You is dumb…is.
Schadenfreude on May 19, 2013 at 12:10 AM
While looking for this….
Foolin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prq29w52AYQ
Found this….
Good morning Freedom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jACrmwTsi08
had not heard it before
CW on May 19, 2013 at 12:10 AM
Awesome! :)
Difficultas_Est_Imperium on May 19, 2013 at 12:11 AM
Doing the first part, skipping mantra->The Prodigy – Narayan
Then doing this->The Prodigy – Firestarter
Then checking back in with KCB and everything.
Too tired for carefulness. :) RWM, you get tired, feel free to plop down next to me. My eyes are closed, but I’m not sleeping.
And someone, turn on the damned neon.
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 12:11 AM
I can’t believe that so many fools in America fell for the “It’s the law”. How stupid are the people?
Schadenfreude on May 19, 2013 at 12:11 AM
Links reversed, but
I meant what you knew.
Difficultas_Est_Imperium on May 19, 2013 at 12:12 AM
-_-
*Cheeto*
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 12:12 AM
For real?
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 12:14 AM
*sigh*
Fine.
“*sip*”
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 12:15 AM
Obama was corrupt before he had power, and now he’s corrupt with power.
Albert Arthur on May 19, 2013 at 12:15 AM
Just won Eurovision
Schadenfreude on May 19, 2013 at 12:16 AM
Crunchy or puffs? (Please say crunchy!)
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 12:16 AM
A Libertarian@jfktruther2m
White House sends out provocative tweet today, #ObamacareInThreeWords: “It’s The Law”. GO 2 HELL #obama & #obamacare
Schadenfreude on May 19, 2013 at 12:17 AM
Always crunchy, dude. :)
Puffs = Cheeto Zima. :)
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 12:17 AM
I need a lover. Vinyl.
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 12:19 AM
Yes!! Er, dude…Please?
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 12:19 AM
That one made me laugh out loud. Nice.
Difficultas_Est_Imperium on May 19, 2013 at 12:21 AM
. . . *reluctantly hands KCB, frequently called Ken, entire bag of . . . delicious Cheetos*
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 12:22 AM
And then wonder why his loaf of bread now costs $5.
kim roy on May 19, 2013 at 12:24 AM
Me, too. lol
Resist We Much on May 19, 2013 at 12:24 AM
Crunchy or puffs? (Please say crunchy!)
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 12:16 AM
I dig the flamin’ hot -crunchy.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 12:24 AM
I only wanted one. Um. These are good. ok a handful… Is my mouth orange?…I think I owe you a bag of cheetos….Not puffed.
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 12:26 AM
Skipped Foolin’ for Too late for love, but — I never heard this Good Morning Freedom, either. Wild. :)
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 12:26 AM
Puffs are for p ssies.
CW on May 19, 2013 at 12:27 AM
You are hot! Just sayin…
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 12:27 AM
Hi fair dwellers of The Glade………..
williamg on May 19, 2013 at 12:27 AM
Note what it takes to lure b9 back in. :) –lol
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 12:28 AM
‘sup g.
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 12:30 AM
That’s a feature not a bug!
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 12:30 AM
Axe , great songs.
I saw Def Leppard open for Ozzie at a small outdoor venue in Indiana a few years ago. Good times. It was my first outdoor concert. Def Leppard was much better than Ozzie.
CW on May 19, 2013 at 12:31 AM
Note what it takes to lure b9 back in. :) –lol
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 12:28 AM
Food always works! ;)Nah..just popped back in.
I had business to attend to.
(Good format)
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 12:31 AM
Hitch a ride
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 12:33 AM
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 12:27 AM
Should my self esteem ever need a boost, you and SP do it. :) Oh and Predator.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 12:33 AM
William!
Good morning.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 12:34 AM
Love having you on the night shift!!!!!
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 12:34 AM
So many times like that. :) I still remember . . . this opening act. Was great. :)
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 12:35 AM
‘sup!
*fist-bump*
williamg on May 19, 2013 at 12:36 AM
May I fist bump?
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 12:37 AM
@Ken, TY. :)
It always changes based on personal stuff.
Glad I see some of my faves when I do come to HA.
William, Did you go to the concert?
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 12:38 AM
Tribute
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 12:39 AM
@Resist — That was the Who you linked, wasn’t it? :)
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 12:41 AM
For Baba O’Riley a/k/a Teenage Wasteland? Yes.
Resist We Much on May 19, 2013 at 12:42 AM
You just reminded me to check EBAY for a value on my Boston picture disc. Thirty bucks or so. Won’t me rich but not complaining too much.
CW on May 19, 2013 at 12:43 AM
Best fist bump in all of history, evaahhhh.
Schadenfreude on May 19, 2013 at 12:44 AM
“Chiiiild-hood livin’ is Eaasy to do!…”
williamg on May 19, 2013 at 12:44 AM
. . . sooooooo . . . just Teenage Wasteland, then? :)
OK, link another one. :) I mean, that you actually like. Please. If you . . . blah blah blah
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 12:45 AM
It’s utter madness on both sides of the pond, sadly. :-(
Punchenko on May 19, 2013 at 12:46 AM
Absi-TIVELY, dude!
‘sup!
*fist-bump*
williamg on May 19, 2013 at 12:47 AM
I have linked this several times, cause I can. I just noticed that a lot of camera time is on the drummer. Is he Jason Bonham?
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 12:48 AM
I did not enjoy that memory.
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 12:49 AM
KCB nice catch
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/heart-jason-bonham-2013-tour-dates/?trackback=fbshare_top
CW on May 19, 2013 at 12:52 AM
Is that…….Patty Hearst? I didn’t Zero was in the SLA!
williamg on May 19, 2013 at 12:52 AM
Summer Breeze –lol — not for everyone
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 12:53 AM
Yeah, I have seen this a dozen times, and it finally occurs to me… Kid can play.
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 12:53 AM
Hey, B9!………….
Ya want sumpin’ tangy?
*red-hot cheeto*
Oooor – d’ya wan’t sumpin’ sweet!….
*screaming yellow zonker*
Take some, gurl…….
*shakes bag”……*shakes box*……
williamg on May 19, 2013 at 12:55 AM
Notwithstanding all of the above:
Two Party Evil Money Cult in Washington D.C. has spent U.S. broke on our ass.
Two Party Evil Money Cult in Washington D.C. via the RINO’s allowed it to happen.
So, for free on the intern nets liberal loons are put in their place in History,,,
Example in a mean ass joke:
Knock ,,, Knock,, real loud and late at night.
Charles Johnson of littlegreenf’up’sblog ” Who dat??”
“IRS” thunders the guy..
Charles Johnson,,, “What you want with me, I ruined my blog, I lost my mind, I am insane, but I made no money, I owe no taxes and all my forms are in order, what could you possible want with me in the dark of the night…??”
IRS… “Dumb ass you sold out, you went progressive, you sucked up to Obama and the tax and spend cult ,,, “”
“WE CAME FOR YOUR SHITTY ASS LIVER”"”
APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 19, 2013 at 12:57 AM
Drums
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 12:58 AM
— BMORE — Need something for Major Minor Independent Short Film. I’m serious. :) I need a “My Progressive Little Pony Land” billboard (Pony Land, not Ponyland, ’cause trade marks), such that the Obama is on one side, and his symbol is on the other, with something in the middle that makes sense, but will be covered. By an actual pink pony in the foreground. :) Yes, I’m still serious. And it needs to be actual propaganda — not Satire. Heh — the satire comes in elsewhere. I just need the flat, interior graphic; I’ll be adding it to a CGI billboard.
Will you work for credit? :)
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 12:59 AM
You ok?
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:00 AM
.
Sooo ….. you’ve been watching ‘The Meaning Of Life‘, huh?
listens2glenn on May 19, 2013 at 1:02 AM
I LOVE that!
I can see people in 3-piece suits holding these sign at intersections everywhere:
“Will Work For Credit!”
………and somewhere in the back of my head I hear a Mark Knopfler riff growling……..
williamg on May 19, 2013 at 1:02 AM
.
Now that’s funny ! … : )
listens2glenn on May 19, 2013 at 1:04 AM
Someday
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:06 AM
very nice. no dry eye in the house.
jrsrigmvr on May 19, 2013 at 1:06 AM
I said I was moving “upstream.” :) People are about to find out what that means. –ha!
HA HA HA HA!
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 1:07 AM
Yes it is.
Drats.
CW on May 19, 2013 at 1:07 AM
*screaming yellow zonker*
Take some, gurl…….
*shakes bag”……*shakes box*……
williamg on May 19, 2013 at 12:55 AM
You made me laugh.
*screaming yellow zonker*
since I don’t know what it is.
I’ll take a risk.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 1:10 AM
You are scaring me..
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:11 AM
Where’s Resist go? She never sat by me. She pass out somewhere?
Everyone, look around for a chick with three blue eyes, steel skin, and a soft and caring nougat inside. She’ll probably smell like bananas or troll . . . no one trip or anything. She’s around here somewhere.
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 1:12 AM
3 AM
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:12 AM
.
I followed your link, KCB … but the disgust I have for the Wilson girls wouldn’t allow me to watch it … : (
listens2glenn on May 19, 2013 at 1:12 AM
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 1:07 AM
You are scaring me..
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:11 AM
See!!! :P
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 1:12 AM
She is not with me!
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:13 AM
.
Oh brother …..
listens2glenn on May 19, 2013 at 1:14 AM
Hey Darlin; Glad you are back.
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:14 AM
Jason Bonham can flat play – so pissed I missed him when he cam through with his tribute band a couple of years back……saw Zak Starkey with The WHO in 2006, though – Keith Moon was one of his teachers……..however, this sequence by Michael Shrieve has always been one of my favorites…….
williamg on May 19, 2013 at 1:14 AM
Be right back. Peanut butter sandwich is calling me. It’s all like, “Hey! I’m a peanut butter sandwich, and I’m all like, calling you, dude!”
And then, I’m all like that ^ to KCB.
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 1:14 AM
/Right back at you!
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:16 AM
Axe trippin out again? You need better quality choom, dude. ;-)
tommy71 on May 19, 2013 at 1:17 AM
Listen to this>>>>>>xxxxxx
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:17 AM
Tommy! Good to see you!
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:18 AM
Be right back. Peanut butter sandwich is calling me.
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 1:14 AM
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
;)
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 1:18 AM
Bright lights
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:21 AM
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:14 AM
:)
Bee bopping from chores to thread.
Also, thinking about decorating something.
Stuck.
Hot plans for tomorrow?
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 1:21 AM
Hiya Ken, how you doing?
tommy71 on May 19, 2013 at 1:22 AM
Screaming Yellow Zonkers were some of the Best Things EVER! Unfortunately – they don’t make them anymore……
williamg on May 19, 2013 at 1:23 AM
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:27 AM
What were they…spicy popcorn snacks? Like a Cracker Jack but not sweet?
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 1:28 AM
Not too shabby. B9 has been on my mind a lot..Don’t tell her I told you..
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:28 AM
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