Hmmm: Obama to send “scaled-back” fiscal cliff plan to Senate? Update: House back in session Sunday

posted at 3:01 pm on December 27, 2012 by Allahpundit

Scott Brown wrote on Facebook that O had something in the works, the White House and Harry Reid’s office quickly denied it, and now CNN’s citing sources on both sides who say, yep, there’s a new offer coming.

The tedium-to-suspense ratio of this clusterfark is now approaching that of a “Scooby Doo” episode. And not a good episode, either. One with Scrappy.

A Republican senator said Obama told Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, that the president’s plan would arrive on Thursday, and a Senate Democratic leadership member also said that was the approach being taken. Both sources spoke on condition of not being identified further.

The move would answer McConnell’s call for the president or Senate Democrats to make the first move in the political standoff over how to prevent or soften automatic tax hikes and spending cuts of the fiscal cliff set to take effect in the new year — just five days away…

Last Friday, Obama proposed a scaled-back agreement that included his call for extending tax cuts on households with incomes under $250,000, as well as an extension of unemployment insurance.

However, there were no immediate details available on the exact components of the measure that the sources said was headed to Congress on Thursday.

If there’s an offer in the works — and that’s a big if — why would the White House play it close to the vest? That’s the sort of thing you do when you’re serious about negotiations and want to give the other side time to huddle without having to deal with public pressure. There’s no reason for O to be serious about this until next month. Matt Yglesias is unfortunately right that his hand will get stronger, not weaker, once we go over the cliff:

Conrad wants to split the difference between the President’s last offer and Boehner’s last offer. Then once something like that difference-splitting bill passes the Senate, Boehner gets to take it up as the new baseline for negotiations and pull the ultimate resolution even further to the right.

But that’s exactly why Obama would be foolish to take any such thing seriously. Starting in the New Year, the Senate gets more liberal. The House also gets more liberal. And the policy baseline also gets more liberal. The White House isn’t going to pull the plug on negotiations, but unless Boehner comes back to the table with something new to say they have no incentive to further weakn their hand.

Why would O quietly put a credible offer on the table now when he can do a big, showy “tax hikes on everyone who makes more than $250K” take-it-or-leave it ultimatum, wait a week while the media goes to work on how this is all the GOP’s fault, and then come back to the table with even more Democrats in the Senate and the House? And remember, Boehner’s Speakership is on the line on January 3; if O’s plan insists on a relatively low bar for new tax hikes (i.e. $250,000) and Boehner brings it to the floor anyway, that may be the end of his tenure. He needs to be re-elected Speaker first, which means we’re headed over the cliff — unless Obama’s “scaled-back” plan raises the tax-hike bar enough ($500,000? $600,000) to make it kinda sorta acceptable to Boehner and centrist House Republicans. But then you get into a new issue: How far can the bar rise before liberals in the House start to walk away? Getting 30 Republicans to vote yes on a bill that raises taxes on earners over $600,000 isn’t inconceivable, but getting the entire Democratic caucus to vote yes with them might be. The tax-hike “sweet spot” here is narrow; see Nate Silver’s graph today to understand why. How hard is Obama planning to twist Democrats’ arms to get them to back a plan he has no real incentive to offer in the first place?

Then again, Conn Carroll makes a good case that there are enough RINOs in the Senate to pass virtually anything:

Just this Sunday, Politico reported that Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Ga., has gone on record in favor of a bill that would extend tax rates for incomes below $250,000. “If we get down to the end of this year and the only choice we have is to save taxes going up on the middle class, then I would support that,” Isakson said. And Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, committed to a similar policy Friday. “One of the beauties of that bill is it wouldn’t require a vote to raise anybody’s taxes, and I think that is a major advantage,” Cornyn said of a bill that would prevent middle class tax hikes.

That’s two Republican Senate votes Obama’s fall-back plan right there. Now Obama only needs five.

Maine’s Sens. Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins are gimmees. Now Obama only needs three.

Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, is always easily bought and Sen. Scott Brown, R-Mass., will be desperate to vote with Obama while running for a special election in a blue state. That is two more votes right there. Now Obama only needs one.

That last vote will be cast by Dick Lugar, of course. That makes 60 in the Senate, although it’s an open question whether they need even that many. McConnell hasn’t said yet whether O’s plan will be filibustered; Rand Paul, for one, has called on the GOP to let Democrats pass whatever tax hikes they want with Republicans voting “present” to keep their fingerprints off of the results. Assuming it does pass with a low-ish income bar for new taxes, that’ll bring most (or all) of the House’s Democrats onboard. The only mystery then will be whether Boehner’s prepared to hold out, a la Yglesias’s prediction, and demand an entirely new bill with a higher bar or whether he’ll say “to hell with it” and let centrist Republicans vote to push it through. My money’s on the latter — but not before January 3.

Exit question: What sort of guarantees will Boehner need to make to the GOP caucus about the fiscal cliff to survive the Speaker vote? House conservatives won’t vote for him if they expect him to cave on Obama’s tax-hike plan the day after. He’ll have to give them some sort of assurance to make it through.

Update: Double hmmmm:

House Republican leaders are bringing the House back into session on Sunday, lawmakers were told in a Thursday conference call…

“We are waiting on the Senate,” [Boehner] told lawmakers on a call restricted to the 241 lawmakers in the House Republican Conference.

My gut reaction when I saw that was that maybe there really is a scaled-back Obama plan after all and Boehner’s getting ready in case he needs to vote on it. But maybe not. One of the big GOP worries in all this is that they’ll take the blame if we head off the cliff; if the House isn’t even in session when it happens, it’ll make the media’s inevitable “Republicans aren’t serious” narrative that much easier for them. Best to have all hands on deck and prepared to act even if nothing happens.


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When the gang pulls the mask of Obama, I wonder who the true villain will be.

Jeddite on December 27, 2012 at 3:04 PM

As long as were making deals, I want an Xbox.

Chuck Schick on December 27, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Scaled back: Same tax increase on the top 2%, spending proposal lowered by .001 percent.

sadatoni on December 27, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Remember when Obama said something about “don’t call my bluff?”

He is out of his league, playing way above his weight class…and Obama expects everybody else to compensate for him.

Boehner should just walk away…and should have weeks and months ago.

The faster we can show the world Obama is either corrupt to the core or incompetent to the max, or both, the better off all of us will be in the long run.

I’d like to see a four-year lame duck presidency after January.

Would any other American, or any other President of the United States, ever be given such a pass on a litany of screwed up major issues than Obama has been granted?

coldwarrior on December 27, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Why would O quietly put a credible offer on the table now when he can do a big, showy “tax hikes on everyone who makes more than $250K” take-it-or-leave it ultimatum, wait a week while the media goes to work on how this is all the GOP’s fault, and then come back to the table with even more Democrats in the Senate and the House?

He won’t. Zero must be bored in Hawaii. He’s just doing this to add one more swat at the GOP. He and the other socialists won’t be satisfied until the GOP is utterly crushed. Bonehead and company are helping that destruction along.

dogsoldier on December 27, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Would any other American, or any other President of the United States, ever be given such a pass on a litany of screwed up major issues than Obama has been granted?

coldwarrior on December 27, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Like, say Clinton?

dogsoldier on December 27, 2012 at 3:09 PM

Boehner is chomping at the bit to help obama raise taxes – and avoid any spending cuts.

America desperately NEEDS to go over obama’s cliff – which means it probably won’t happen.

Pork-Chop on December 27, 2012 at 3:10 PM

We don’t know anything but it doesn’t look good. The nobles will negotiate. If they do a deal, then we go home. And if not, we charge.

Bishop on December 27, 2012 at 3:10 PM

So I guess the Republicans goal is to make Obama a hero. He cuts his vacation short, offers up a bill, Republicans abstain or get just enough Republican votes to pass Obama’s bill. The Bush tax cuts now becomes the Obama middle class tax cuts.

If Obama throws a bunch of stimulus, UE extensions, student debt forgiveness, whatever into the bill, the Republicans will let it through anyway, so long as they don’t have to go on record as voting for it. The end result is something much, much worse than Plan B, but hey, they didn’t vote for it.

GCM on December 27, 2012 at 3:11 PM

As long as were making deals, I want an Xbox.

Chuck Schick on December 27, 2012 at 3:05 PM

bored with lego?

sesquipedalian on December 27, 2012 at 3:11 PM

As long as were making deals, I want an Xbox.

Chuck Schick on December 27, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Careful, video games will make you kill someone.

Bishop on December 27, 2012 at 3:13 PM

Hand America the bill for Obama going Blutarski on the buffet line. It’s well past due.

Chuck Schick on December 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM

The country is gonna be screwed no matter what so could we just do this cliff thing. It’s got everything Obama wants. Tax increases and spending cuts. I am not thrilled with paying more taxes but at least there will be people paying taxes that are getting a free ride at this point.

DaveDief on December 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM

The scrooming of the middle class proceeds, one way or another.

Obama hates the middle and lower classes.

All else is a big fat lie.

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Boehner should just walk away…and should have weeks and months ago.

The faster we can show the world Obama is either corrupt to the core or incompetent to the max, or both, the better off all of us will be in the long run.

I’d like to see a four-year lame duck presidency after January.

Would any other American, or any other President of the United States, ever be given such a pass on a litany of screwed up major issues than Obama has been granted?

coldwarrior on December 27, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Boehner is the only man I’ve seen in a long while that can lose a negotiation with himself.

Which answers your last question. Plus a corrupt media.

kim roy on December 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM

So I guess the Republicans goal is to make Obama a hero. He cuts his vacation short, offers up a bill, Republicans abstain or get just enough Republican votes to pass Obama’s bill. The Bush tax cuts now becomes the Obama middle class tax cuts.

GCM on December 27, 2012 at 3:11 PM

That’s where I think this is going. Who wants to bet Boehner managed to twist enough arms to get the House Republicans to vote for whatever Obama throws on the table? Obama wouldn’t be coming home unless Boehner was going to give him a big victory.

Hopefully we’ll be lucky, and find Boehner miscalculated again.

Doomberg on December 27, 2012 at 3:15 PM

bored with lego?

sesquipedalian on December 27, 2012 at 3:11 PM

A single lego is pretty dull. ~gosh~

Jeddite on December 27, 2012 at 3:15 PM

The tedium-to-suspense ratio of this clusterfark is now approaching that of a “Scooby Doo” episode. And not a good episode, either. One with Scrappy.

AP that was snarkoliscous!

Head fake by them Dem’s, Boehner will fall into trap, and on a good note, he will be booted from his Lleadership.

D-fusit on December 27, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Why would O quietly put a credible offer on the table now

Because he is afraid of Bonehead Boehner losing his position as speaker of the house. Obama knows that a large segment of the GOP is 100 percent on board with the Let it Burn concept. He knows that he can blame the GOP in the short term, but that is all he can do.
Once over the cliff and when things start getting really ugly, there will be no memory of the GOP, only Obama’s ownership of the economy.

SWalker on December 27, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Boehner should’ve listened to Krauthammer. Just walk away and vote present! Let them choke on it already.

batter on December 27, 2012 at 3:18 PM

A true president would have remained in DC to solve the land’s incredible challenges, alas.

He and her are Louis XV and Madame de Pompadour, not the Roosevelts.

Other presidents were derided by the media for playing so much golf.

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 3:20 PM

And you thought the ‘ball drop’ at Time square at midnight was a bang, just wait till those worthless slugs in dc give us their ‘bang’ on what they are going to do to us? The last minute get together by that bunch always ends up horrible for the US!

A major BOHICA is coming and we don’t get a nice meal or flowers with it!
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letget on December 27, 2012 at 3:21 PM

bored with lego?

sesquipedalian on December 27, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Wow, I’d hate to be on the business end of that burn- hey wait a minute!

Chuck Schick on December 27, 2012 at 3:21 PM

May Obama, Boehner and their minions all go to Hades, pronto.

The rest, starve the Looters, always.

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Leftards, dictators always come for your heads first. They absolutely despise weasels. Otherwise they’d never be dictators.

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Dems are playing chess with Repubs and want to win, while
Repubs are playing checkers with Dems and want to lose.

burrata on December 27, 2012 at 3:23 PM

If this article The Myth of Fingerprints by Ramesh is correct and House Republicans are more concerned about whether they vote for higher taxes than if taxes actually go higher, then I say pass two bills:

1. Maintain tax cuts for those under $250k
2. Maintain tax cuts for those over $250k

The Senate/Obama will pass the first, but not the second. The end effect is the same as passing the Senate/Obama bill, but at least you can claim you passed the middle class tax cuts and can blame any economic problems on Obama vetoing the second bill.

GCM on December 27, 2012 at 3:24 PM

The tedium-to-suspense ratio of this clusterfark is now approaching that of a “Scooby Doo” episode. And not a good episode, either. One with Scrappy.

This is why we love you, Allahpundit.

vegconservative on December 27, 2012 at 3:27 PM

Best to have all hands on deck and prepared to act even if nothing happens.

They don’t let me run the House (and I don’t blame them), but it would be lovely to have the house in session and sitting silently, waiting, as the clock strikes midnight on 12/31.

Of course it would only be Republicans sitting there, but all the better (after all, at this point, it’s all about optics anyway).

IndieDogg on December 27, 2012 at 3:27 PM

Would any other American, or any other President of the United States, ever be given such a pass on a litany of screwed up major issues than Obama has been granted?

coldwarrior on December 27, 2012 at 3:07 PM

It is the ultimate form of racism, to ask this little of the not even half black first president of AmeriKa.

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 3:27 PM

What exactly did boehner do before he graced us with his ruling brilliance? If he was a businessman that would be one I’d want to avoid investing in.

Now, community organizing… that’s a skill set that only the most brilliant can manage. That, an rolling really tight spliffs and doing deep bong hits wih your choom bros.

acyl72 on December 27, 2012 at 3:27 PM

I just watched Lord of the Rings. This reminds me of when the dwarf, er, midget, er, abnormally small person said, “Not much chance of success, and almost certain death? What are we waiting for?” Just get it over with, so we can move on to the next CRISIS!!!, and the next battle in which Republicans are going to really be tough, really!

Night Owl on December 27, 2012 at 3:28 PM

May Boehner lose his speakership on Jan. 3, 2013.

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Night Owl on December 27, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Should have just watched “Enemy of the State”.

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 3:28 PM

The tedium-to-suspense ratio of this clusterfark is now approaching that of a “Scooby Doo” episode. And not a good episode, either. One with Scrappy.
This is why we love you, Allahpundit.

vegconservative on December 27, 2012 at 3:27 PM

I have to admit I laughed out loud when I read that.

gophergirl on December 27, 2012 at 3:29 PM

So Obama gets his tax the rich desire, increase of debt ceiling and no spending cuts? LIB.

KCB on December 27, 2012 at 3:30 PM

“Life isn’t like a box of chocolates… it’s more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your azz tomorrow.”

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 3:31 PM

It’s not like we have a spending problem or anything. Makes me want to start drinking.

D-fusit on December 27, 2012 at 3:34 PM

They waited until there is literally no time to debate any spending cuts and cried doom so much about the fiscal cliff that the only considerations now are how much taxes go up and how much we extend the debt ceiling. That’s awesome goal post movement. And the public blames GOP. I only see one choice.

KCB on December 27, 2012 at 3:36 PM

IMPEACH BOEHNER.

What kind of weak stunt is it to re-convene the House on a Sunday, so there’s just 24hrs to consider and coerce a vote so all can go home for New Year’s Eve?? Just for the new session to start 4 days later?

IMPEACH BOEHNER.

rayra on December 27, 2012 at 3:37 PM

coldwarrior on December 27, 2012 at 3:07 PM

On the money! Boehner has no clue and could easily control his end, but has abrogated his responsibility as Speaker and let the WH dictate terms….ass backwards! The Senate, that hasn’t passed a budget in 4-years is AWOL as usual.What a CF! Reap what you sow taxpayers!

tomshup on December 27, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Someone needs to dredge up that exchange with Romney when Romney said the fiscal cliff was an example of how Obama could not reach across the aisle, and Obama swore, promised, crossed his heart, that we would not, under any circumstances go over the cliff.

We need our own propaganda arm to counter the msm narrative.

blue13326 on December 27, 2012 at 3:37 PM

untill the spending is cut taxes will be raised. the more you raISE TAXES THE MORE THE ECONOMY GOES IN THE HOLE.. we are now entering the final phase of total economic destruction. higher taxes less rev more spending to cover over the economic realities. untik the total house of cards fails. Pray that the $ doesn’t lose its status as the world currency. If that happens we will become a 3rd world nation overnight.
this is how empires die.

unseen on December 27, 2012 at 3:39 PM

The best things that could possibly happen for this country in the very near future would be to go over the cliff, and for Boehner to be replaced by a Republican with a spine and ‘balls’, regardless of the gender of the new Speaker.

The House needs to simply flip Obama/Reid/media the bird, pass a bill that addresses tax rate cuts for everyone and very, very dramatic spending cuts, along with promises to not fund anything the Dems want for the foreseeable future, send it over for them to sign it. If they don’t sign it, then it is *they* who will have allowed taxes to increase on everyone, etc.

F*ck them, and let it burn. Brightly.

Midas on December 27, 2012 at 3:40 PM

blue13326 – google “obama debate sequester will not happen”…

Midas on December 27, 2012 at 3:43 PM

May Boehner lose his speakership on Jan. 3, 2013.

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Too bad he doesn’t get an outbound ass kicking as well- like how gangs do it in L.A.

Chuck Schick on December 27, 2012 at 3:43 PM

DaveDief on December 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM
Ditto.

txmomof6 on December 27, 2012 at 3:46 PM

Happy New Year///

JPeterman on December 27, 2012 at 3:48 PM

Pray that the $ doesn’t lose its status as the world currency. If that happens we will become a 3rd world nation overnight.
this is how empires die.

unseen on December 27, 2012 at 3:39 PM

It’s what Iran wants, to change the petrodollars into something new. Obama’s brothers at work, succeeding apace.

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 3:51 PM

How much did Michelle/kids’ delay in HI cost the national kitty?

“Who cares” –Madame de Obamanette

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 3:52 PM

Happy New Year///

JPeterman on December 27, 2012 at 3:48 PM

Indeed, with lots of glee…

“Life isn’t like a box of chocolates… it’s more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your azz tomorrow.”

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 3:53 PM

If there’s an offer in the works — and that’s a big if — why would the White House play it close to the vest? That’s the sort of thing you do when you’re serious about negotiations and want to give the other side time to huddle without having to deal with public pressure. There’s no reason for O to be serious about this until next month. Matt Yglesias is unfortunately right that his hand will get stronger, not weaker, once we go over the cliff:

When you get to the point where you accept Matt Yglesias’s analysis of anything, you might as well pack it in.

Again, all Boehner has to do to keep the speakership is make a deal where he releases enough Republican votes to pass the Dem plan, and Pelosi releases enough votes to give Boehner the speakership. His position is much stronger than people think.

The President and the Democratic leadership don’t want to go over the cliff. It would be a disaster for them, no matter what the polls say. The elephant in the room is the debt ceiling. We hit it on Monday, and if that is not dealt with along with the tax cuts and the sequester, everyone has big problems, including Obama.

The only people with exactly zero leverage and zero options are House conservatives, who relegated themselves to the back bench with their stupid intransigence over Plan B.

A deal will be done, a deal that is less palatable to conservatives because of their amateur night theatrics last week.

Mr. Arkadin on December 27, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Should have just watched “Enemy of the State”.

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 3:28 PM

If it’s as convoluted as it sounds on Wikipedia, I think I’ll pass! Following this stupidity is already starting to make my eyes glaze over. I don’t believe there is a political solution to the problems we face, at least not one anyone in DC has the guts to pursue.

Night Owl on December 27, 2012 at 3:55 PM

P R E S E N T…!!!

KOOLAID2 on December 27, 2012 at 3:56 PM

One of the big GOP worries in all this is that they’ll take the blame if we head off the cliff;

The MSM are going to ensure the GOP takes the blame anyway, how many times do we have to say this. Vote “present”, let the Dems own it. Eventually the takers that voted obama back into office will feel the pain and maybe wake up to their mistake. What’s that saying “When you’re young and Republican, you don’t have a heart; when you’re old and a Democrat, you’re stupid”. When the one’s that voted obama back into office realize it was the dem’s all along that caused this, they’ll turn from young Democrat’s to older Republicans. Might as well start that conversion now.

TulsAmerican on December 27, 2012 at 4:01 PM

The tedium-to-suspense ratio of this clusterfark is now approaching that of a “Scooby Doo” episode. And not a good episode, either. One with Scrappy.

anybody remember when Mr. Douglas adopted the precocious neighbor kid Ernie? same deal, Ernie had to play it straight after that, that’s how tedious this has become

DanMan on December 27, 2012 at 4:05 PM

It’s what Iran Valerie Jarret wants, to change the petrodollars into something new. Obama’s brothers at work, succeeding apace.

DanMan on December 27, 2012 at 4:07 PM

The tedium-to-suspense ratio of this clusterfark is now approaching that of a “Scooby Doo” episode. And not a good episode, either. One with Scrappy.

Friggin’ Hilarious!

Tim_CA on December 27, 2012 at 4:08 PM

House Republican leaders are bringing the House back into session on Sunday, lawmakers were told in a Thursday conference call…

“We are waiting on the Senate,” [Boehner] told lawmakers on a call restricted to the 241 lawmakers in the House Republican Conference.

All RINO’s On Deck!

Cave Alert!

Cave Alert!

Tim_CA on December 27, 2012 at 4:11 PM

When the gang pulls the mask of Obama, I wonder who the true villain will be.

Jeddite on December 27, 2012 at 3:04 PM

It’s always the creepy janitor. In this case, Soros.

Fallon on December 27, 2012 at 4:14 PM

When the gang pulls the mask of Obama, I wonder who the true villain will be.

Jeddite on December 27, 2012 at 3:04 PM

getalife.

Chuck Schick on December 27, 2012 at 4:15 PM

‘Popular’

Goebbels has another orgasm in his grave.

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 4:24 PM

Midas on December 27, 2012 at 3:40 PM

+1

dogsoldier on December 27, 2012 at 4:25 PM

It’s what Iran wants, to change the petrodollars into something new. Obama’s brothers at work, succeeding apace.

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 3:51 PM

not sure its just Iran more like the enemies of the USA Russia, china Iran, Obama admin.

And I’m not sure I can blame them. for too long the people in Dc assumed we would always have the $ as thwe world currency and have used that power unwisely. Going $16 trillion in debt, printing money out of thin air. Maybe the people of the USA need economic reality to sink in. I don’t kinow all I do know is this isn’t sustainablew and our kids will suffer whatever happens. Sad day for what was the greatest nation the world has ever seen. We screwed it all up and now only GOd can save us.

unseen on December 27, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Sad day for what was the greatest nation the world has ever seen. We screwed it all up and now only GOd can save us.

unseen on December 27, 2012 at 4:26 PM

The once freest land is now the stupidest.

God is mad and is punishing her.

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 4:30 PM

The only people with exactly zero leverage and zero options are House conservatives, who relegated themselves to the back bench with their stupid intransigence over Plan B.

Mr. Arkadin on December 27, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Why is it that so-called GOP “moderates” hate conservatives more than Democrats?

A classic example is Mr. Arkadin as evidenced in his comment.

Does it surprise anyone that his proposal for Boehner to keep his Speakership is as follows:

Again, all Boehner has to do to keep the speakership is make a deal where he releases enough Republican votes to pass the Dem plan, and Pelosi releases enough votes to give Boehner the speakership. His position is much stronger than people think.

I guess the “icky” fact that Plan B and any such plan passed with votes from Pelosi and Boehner will do nothing to stop our march into the real fiscal apocalypse… means absolutely nothing to Mr. Arkadin.

TheRightMan on December 27, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Sad day for what was the greatest nation the world has ever seen. We screwed it all up and now only GOd can save us.

unseen on December 27, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Who is this “we” that you speak of?

JPeterman on December 27, 2012 at 4:39 PM

May Boehner lose his speakership on Jan. 3, 2013.

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 3:28 PM

With our luck Pelosi will win it. I can see the GOP now saying they want to extend an olive branch and prove they’re not controlled by the racist and gun loving TEA party.

JellyToast on December 27, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Why is it that so-called GOP “moderates” hate conservatives more than Democrats?

TheRightMan

Because they ARE democrats.

xblade on December 27, 2012 at 4:42 PM

It’s a shame to see how this blog has now been turned into a complete joke by the few commenters leftover from the Nov 6th beat down.

While I may have disagreed with most of the folks who posted prior to the election, quite a few of them made some sense. Since election day, all you see here are childish comments to relatively well written articles by the HA staff. So sad.

HotAirLib on December 27, 2012 at 4:43 PM

The tedium-to-suspense ratio of this clusterfark is now approaching that of a “Scooby Doo” episode. And not a good episode, either. One with Scrappy.

With Boehner as Scrappy- chasing his own tail.

Frankly, the House should be in DC because the 112th Congress may be ending but there is still work to do. They should have been back today at the latest.

Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 4:46 PM

HotAirLib on December 27, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Written more in sadness than anger…

Night Owl on December 27, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Sad day for what was the greatest nation the world has ever seen. We screwed it all up and now only GOd can save us.

unseen on December 27, 2012 at 4:26 PM

We? My fingerprints are nowhere on any of this. The rat-eared wonder, Dems, and “moderate” Republicans own this one lock, stock, and crushing debt.

Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 4:48 PM

The tedium-to-suspense ratio of this clusterfark is now approaching that of a “Scooby Doo” episode. And not a good episode, either. One with Scrappy.

That’s just priceless!

scalleywag on December 27, 2012 at 4:51 PM

It’s a shame to see how this blog has now been turned into a complete joke by the few commenters leftover from the Nov 6th beat down.

While I may have disagreed with most of the folks who posted prior to the election, quite a few of them made some sense. Since election day, all you see here are childish comments to relatively well written articles by the HA staff. So sad.

HotAirLib on December 27, 2012 at 4:43 PM

What’s sad? That you’re realizing you’re supporting the most fiscally reckless administration in American history, or that you’re about to get the bill for it?

Chuck Schick on December 27, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Since election day, all you see here are childish comments to relatively well written articles by the HA staff. So sad.

HotAirLib on December 27, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Hey, Election Day saw a combination of greedy stupid parasites such as you and not a little bit of corruption at the polling places. The right has every right to be pissed off that you moochers who contribute nothing to the world were able to get the free ride extended another four years.

Nevermind the generational theft you support. Nevermind the economy about to tank. You’re still getting free stuff and expecting others to pay. I hate all of you greedy selfish takers. I don’t understand why you hate America and the Constitution and I really don’t care. You have to matter for that to be much of an issue.

But here’s the dirty secret you troll- sooner or later they are going to be going out after your “stuff.” Your kids will be stuck with the debt incurred by your greed. You can go to hell you worthless moocher. People like you aren’t entitled to have a say in this society because you contribute nothing.

Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 4:55 PM

…unless Obama’s “scaled-back” plan raises the tax-hike bar enough ($500,000? $600,000) to make it kinda sorta acceptable to Boehner and centrist House Republicans….
by Allahpundit

Well that is exactly what’s gonna happen.
This is really only and soley about upper income tax rates for the GOP.
They’d give the whole store away on that one issue that they view as the only ‘win/lose’ card in the deck.
They’ve become – have been for a while now, really – a single issue party. Obama will throw them enough of a bone for enough of them to chew on.

verbaluce on December 27, 2012 at 4:59 PM

That’s just priceless!

scalleywag on December 27, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Right?

Scrappy….the “Shemp” of the scooby Doo cartoons.

Tim_CA on December 27, 2012 at 4:59 PM

The ONLY reason for Boehner to convene the House on Sunday is to vote for a MASSIVE SPENDING BILL that no one will read until AFTER it has passed. This bill will include MANY pork projects for those SPECIAL congressional districts that Boehner needs to get votes, the entire ‘storm relief package’, and the new ‘stimulus’ spending Obama wants. The creation of a new ‘infrastructure bank’ that is never discussed is extremely likely.

Look for a MULTI-TRILLION dollar debt ceiling increase to cover all of the overspending Obama has planned for 2013 AND 2014. This will be large enough to last until AFTER the 2014 elections!

It is highly likely that there will also be a continueing resolution to complete the 2013 fiscal spending which ends in September.

Now, if that CR is dated through the 2014 fiscal year (by some unnoticed mistake), then even IF Boehner is removed as speaker, the House will be in a lame duck session until AFTER the 2014 elections!

Freddy on December 27, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Matt Yglesias is unfortunately right that his hand will get stronger, not weaker, once we go over the cliff:

Yep. Because then the Democrats get to be the champions of tax cuts for the middle class. And what are Republicans going to do? Oppose it because it doesn’t cut taxes for “the rich?” That’s a winner.

Conservatives should have gone along with Plan B. Probably wouldn’t have worked anyway, but it had a chance to keep taxes lower. Now they get to own any increased taxes on the $200K-$1M folks.

besser tot als rot on December 27, 2012 at 5:02 PM

May Boehner lose his speakership on Jan. 3, 2013.

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 3:28 PM

With our luck Pelosi will win it

JellyToast on December 27, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Pelosi “winning the Speaker of the House gavel?

Not a chance, so long as there is a Dem minority in the House.

The majority party (caucus) chooses the speaker, not the entire House.

But, unless Boehner pulls a mighty and glorious smack-down of Obama over the weekend…his days as Speaker are indeed numbered.

coldwarrior on December 27, 2012 at 5:02 PM

They’ve become – have been for a while now, really – a single issue party. Obama will throw them enough of a bone for enough of them to chew on.

verbaluce on December 27, 2012 at 4:59 PM

That’s an outright lie. But why expect more from yet another moocher who contributes nothing to society. Why do you hate the Constitution and America you parasite?

Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Chew on this and suffocate. You know who you are.

The problem, of course, is that the Tea Party’s power resides in Republican primaries, where conservative purists wreaked considerable havoc in the past two election cycles. This included, famously, McConnell’s home state of Kentucky, where the minority leader’s protégé was crushed in a 2010 GOP Senate primary by Rand Paul. Now McConnell has to worry about suffering a similar fate in two years, especially if his handling of the current fiscal impasse evokes cries of treason from the base. How could this square with claims of fading clout for the Tea Party?

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 5:03 PM

But, unless Boehner pulls a mighty and glorious smack-down of Obama over the weekend…his days as Speaker are indeed numbered.

coldwarrior on December 27, 2012 at 5:02 PM

I have no problem with that. I think that perhaps part of the post-election reorganization should be new leadership in the House. Boehner attempted to cut a deal with the devil without any communication with his fellow Republicans. That’s not leadership.

Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Boehner, internalize this. Out with you!!!

All of this is more than enough to instill real fear in Republicans on Capitol Hill who aren’t true believers – but who do like their jobs and want to keep them. McConnell falls in this category. Boehner evidently does too. And so do many, many other Republicans who don’t want to look back and regret the day they cast a vote that ended their careers. The fact that the Tea Party, as a literal entity, seems to be dying is actually a sign of how successful it’s been. Its spirit now rules the Republican Party.

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Pelosi “winning the Speaker of the House gavel?

Not a chance, so long as there is a Dem minority in the House.

The majority party (caucus) chooses the speaker, not the entire House.

coldwarrior on December 27, 2012 at 5:02 PM

I don’t know. Obama, Pelosi, and Reid together again? Talk about LiB.

besser tot als rot on December 27, 2012 at 5:07 PM

The fact that the Tea Party, as a literal entity, seems to be dying is actually a sign of how successful it’s been. Its spirit now rules the Republican Party.

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 5:05 PM

I don’t agree with that last statement. Not at all. Exhibit A: The Republican Party just nominated Mitt Romney.

besser tot als rot on December 27, 2012 at 5:08 PM

It’s all a scam on the people of the US.

albill on December 27, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Well, the power of the Tea Party also delivered a famous “shellacking” to the prez in 2010. Do the new Dems not remember this?

Just wait till America finds out what’s in Obamacare and the new tax rates.

PattyJ on December 27, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Just wait till America finds out what’s in Obamacare and the new tax rates.

PattyJ on December 27, 2012 at 5:17 PM

That is the only problem I have with the LiB plan. I want those idiots who voted for Obama to be able to tell the tax increase involved in the cliff from all the new taxes that are part of Obamacare and all the new regulatory fees they will be paying.

Night Owl on December 27, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Why do you hate the Constitution and America you parasite?

Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Far from it, spirited friend.
And oddly, you prove why.

verbaluce on December 27, 2012 at 5:23 PM

The fact that the Tea Party, as a literal entity, seems to be dying is actually a sign of how successful it’s been. Its spirit now rules the Republican Party.

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Well maybe a minority of a minority of it.
But enough to drive inaction on all.

verbaluce on December 27, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Why would O quietly put a credible offer on the table now when he can do a big, showy “tax hikes on everyone who makes more than $250K” take-it-or-leave it ultimatum, wait a week while the media goes to work on how this is all the GOP’s fault, and then come back to the table with even more Democrats in the Senate and the House?

Seriously, who cares?

If electoral college votes had been awarded based upon the vote in the Congressional districts, Romney would have won. In short, when Congress comes back, there will be more than 218 Republican House members where Romney won in their district.

It’s two years until they have to got in front of the voters again, but it’s less than that before they have to face Republican voters in a Primary.

Obama can shoot of his mouth all he wants. But at some point he’s going to want the debt limit raised, and he’s going to want a budget passed, and he can’t do that until 218 members of Congress vote to do it.

Unless the Democrats want to go two years with a balanced budget, they’re going to have to negotiate w/ the Republicans, as long as the Republicans are more afraid of their Primary voters than they are of the press.

Let Obama posture. Let the MSM bloviate. We have the winning hand.

Greg Q on December 27, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Why do you hate the Constitution and America you parasite?

Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 5:03 PM

you’re doing it wrong.

sesquipedalian on December 27, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Just tell all of those political bums to go home and stay out of our hair until the have a solution . . . I’m tired of the childish bickering and posturing.

rplat on December 27, 2012 at 5:32 PM

This is all smoke and mirrors
I don’t believe anything I am hearing or seeing

Delsa on December 27, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Seriously, who cares?

It’s two years until they have to got in front of the voters again, but it’s less than that before they have to face Republican voters in a Primary.

Greg Q on December 27, 2012 at 5:27 PM

This. An awful lot can change in 2 years. All of ObamaCare will be active before the 2014 election. Between seniors getting their Medicare slashed and the vast majority of already-insured America getting rate hikes, there’s going to be alot of unhappy people between now and then. That’s 100% on Democrat hands.

Plus if Democrats are stupid enough to try to ban guns again, let alone handguns, 2014 will be a wipeout.

Chuck Schick on December 27, 2012 at 5:33 PM

This is becoming absolutely disgusting . . . Obama and all the rest of those politicos are nothing but self serving, whiny pukes and they’re playing games at the people’s expense. How long are we going to put up with this crap?

rplat on December 27, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Happy New Year///

JPeterman on December 27, 2012 at 3:48 PM

Ssshhhh…. there is a separation of Church and State, we can’t say that anymore.
Now we say Happy kwanzaa
:D

burrata on December 27, 2012 at 5:45 PM

bored with lego?

sesquipedalian on December 27, 2012 at 3:11 PM

A single lego is pretty dull. ~gosh~

Jeddite on December 27, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Unless you step on it in your bare feet. Then it’s as sharp as broken glass.

Naturally Curly on December 27, 2012 at 5:48 PM

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