Gallup: Opposition to handgun ban hits all-time high

posted at 12:01 pm on December 27, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

So how would Piers Morgan fare with his proposed constitutional amendment to repeal gun rights?  Amazingly, nearly three-quarters of Americans agree on handguns, anyway …  but not with Piers Morgan.  According to the latest Gallup survey taken within days of the Newtown massacre, a record number of Americans oppose a handgun ban, 74/24:

Despite Americans’ willingness to strengthen gun laws in the wake of Sandy Hook and other deadly mass shootings, Gallup finds public opposition to a broad ban on the possession of handguns at a record-high 74%. Conversely, the 24% in favor is the lowest recorded since Gallup first asked the question in 1959.

How about the “assault-rifle” ban?  Technically, an “assault rifle” is an automatic weapon, which is already banned.  Gallup asks respondents whether they are “for or against a law which would make it illegal to manufacture, sell, or possess semi-automatic guns known as assault rifles,” which is a badly-written question in several ways.  Even so, a majority opposes such a law, by just a slightly narrower gap than a year ago:

Two aspects of the Newtown shooting that have been a focal point of recent discussions about gun laws are the semi-automatic rifle and high-capacity ammunition magazines used by the shooter. Several state and federal lawmakers have already announced that they will seek to ban both from the commercial market.

Nevertheless, Americans’ views on the sale of assault rifles are unchanged. The slight majority, 51%, remain opposed to making it illegal to manufacture, sell, or possess semi-automatic guns known as assault rifles.

Notably, the 44% in favor of assault rifle bans in response to this trend question is nearly identical to the 42% Gallup found favoring assault and semi-automatic bans in a Dec. 18 poll. In that survey, participants responded to a question asking about possible approaches to preventing mass shootings at schools, similar to the shooting that occurred Dec. 14 in Connecticut.

That’s not to say that the mass murder and the resultant debate hasn’t moved the needle at all.  For the first time in four years, a majority wants restrictions on gun sales expanded, although at 58% it’s still on the lower end of the historical trend.  On that question, the general US population has only fallen short of a majority on that question from 2008-2011, and the numbers in the 1990s were all in the 60-percent range.  Also, as has been the case for a long time, there is near-unanimity on requiring background checks for all gun sales, including those at gun shows and presumably private sales (92%, 83% in 1999).

There is also significant support for banning the sale and possession of high-capacity magazines, which are defined in this poll as “high-capacity ammunition clips that can contain more than 10 bullets.”  If possession is banned, then that means millions of gun owners could find themselves in violation of the law, even for their handguns, unless the law grandfathers those magazines already in possession.  If so, though, it’s difficult to see how the law will be able to distinguish between those bought before or after the ban.

The overall takeaway seems to be that the Newtown shooting hasn’t actually changed many people’s positions on gun rights.  It’s just made them more vocal about those positions.

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Feinsten’s bill will go nowhere

blatantblue on December 27, 2012 at 12:03 PM

How about writing an essay on why polls of 1038 people DO NOT REPRESENT WHAT AMERICA THINKS!!!111!!

from the poll that helpfully explains why the have a 95% confidence in their +/- 4% error…

In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.

Poll results are not facts.

DanMan on December 27, 2012 at 12:07 PM

The passage of any such laws will make criminals out of millions of us.

It is because of these types of laws that we will NOT capitulate. It doesn’t address the real issue(s).

Shepherd Lover on December 27, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Results for #guncontrol

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canopfor on December 27, 2012 at 12:10 PM

The overall takeaway seems to be that the Newtown shooting hasn’t actually changed many people’s positions on gun rights. It’s just made them more vocal about those positions.

It pretty much puts people into being pro-Constitution or anti-Constitution. Personally I think everybody supporting banning stuff should be called out and forced to answer what they have against our Bill of Rights. They are traitors who cannot defend their position and they know it so they have become vocal. They hide behind 20 tiny caskets because they are cowards. They are as worthless as the filthy rat-eared bastard in the White House who has killed hundreds of Mexicans in a previous attempt to help the Brady Group get rid of privately owned weapons completely.

Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Well…so much for our Liberal Trolls’ claim of a majority opinion on the issue.

kingsjester on December 27, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Amend any new gun-control bills offered so they also apply to law enforcement.

agmartin on December 27, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Amend any new gun-control bills offered so they also apply to law enforcement.

agmartin on December 27, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Or, more specifically, bodyguards.

Shepherd Lover on December 27, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Feinsten’s bill will go nowhere

blatantblue on December 27, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Exactly. Begich, Manchin, Tester, and Reid (to name a few) will pay dearly in their next election if they support a handgun ban. There’s a reason why both Tester and Manchin cut campaign ads with them alongside firearms.

There’s a reason that Feinstein floats this bill though. She’s safely tucked away in blue California with no risk of a popular backlash for undermining the Second Amendment. That way the “pro-gun” Democrats get to appear as moderates when they get through a more moderate gun control bill that still undermines the rights that they vowed to protect.

blammm on December 27, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Who wants the guns of citizens?………WOULD BE TYRANTS!!

Ban lifelong politicians instead!

PappyD61 on December 27, 2012 at 12:23 PM

When Gallup asks people if we should ban assault weapons, which weapons do they mean? Do the people they ask know?

Does Gallup?

In California, “assault weapon” includes some bolt-action rifles. At one point it included Olympic target shooting pistols. We still haven’t heard the definitive word on whether or not the Sandy Hook shooter’s rifle was an “assault weapon” under Connecticut law.

I give no credence to polls that ask undefined and undefinable questions.

Socratease on December 27, 2012 at 12:24 PM

This gun grab has been planned for a long time. Only this time, they have a much better plan to implement it…

I would highly recommend reading this…

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52005

lib-or-tea on December 27, 2012 at 12:24 PM

The radical leftists and liberals have jumped on this issue like a pack of slobbering, rabid dogs . . . having a gun is just not consistent with their statist agendas and their plan for state control of all behavior. Don’t give in to these bums.

rplat on December 27, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Harry Reid has to be majorly conflicted. I’ll bet he’d like to strangle Feinstein. Harry, the NRA is watching your every move. You don’t want to lose that sweet, sweet, sweet rating, do you?

a capella on December 27, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Personally I think everybody supporting banning stuff should be called out and forced to answer what they have against our Bill of Rights.

Try having a personal conversation with your favorite lib and simply ask what they would like to see passed to address what happened at Sandy Hook. I have yet to hear a response that any legislator would forward from the left.

DanMan on December 27, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Or, more specifically, bodyguards.

Shepherd Lover on December 27, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Let’s limit it to Secret Service personnel. In fact, let’s get rid of any sort of protection around the President, VP, senior members of the administration, and leaders of Congress. Think of how much money we could save and how much more in touch with the worthless moochers that voted for the bastards if they don’t have federal employees running interference so that Obamaphone lady can’t get within 20 feet of her idiot idol.

Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Try having a personal conversation with your favorite lib and simply ask what they would like to see passed to address what happened at Sandy Hook. I have yet to hear a response that any legislator would forward from the left.

DanMan on December 27, 2012 at 12:29 PM

That’s because Sandy Hook is just a convenient excuse. Do you honestly think Obama cares about those 20 children that were killed. That Feinstein cares? Anybody out there on the left cares? This is just agenda-driven faux outrage by unfeeling politicians. The excuse was supposed to be Fast and Furious before that blew up in the rat-eared bastard’s face.

I guarantee you Obama was high-fiving people from the Brady Group when the death toll for Sandy Hook topped 20 with most of them children.

Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 12:33 PM

which are defined in this poll as “high-capacity ammunition clips that can contain more than 10 bullets.”

If they polled me on this I would say, “WTF are you talking about, these things don’t even exist.”

I was at Cabelas this morning for some new arrows and the gun counter is still a mess; mobs of people, no AR’s at any price, and great gaping holes in the handgun cases where the good stuff usually is.

Bishop on December 27, 2012 at 12:34 PM

the NRA is watching your every move. You don’t want to lose that sweet, sweet, sweet rating, do you?

a capella on December 27, 2012 at 12:25 PM

It isn’t just the NRA that is watching these bastards’ every move. You start tinkering with the Bill of Rights at your peril. They know it.

Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 12:36 PM

I have yet to see a single new gun law suggestion that would have prevented the tragedy in Connecticut or the mall shooting or the movie theater shooting. Feinstein’s bill is a grab bag of the anti-gun lobby wishes and not something that would have prevented the shootings.

Queasy on December 27, 2012 at 12:36 PM

I believe 2010 will repeat itself if these fools keep this up.

supersport667 on December 27, 2012 at 12:38 PM

A law that bans possession of a gun, a magazine, or anything else that is not already banned has a separate issue if it doesn’t grandfather possession that already occurred before implementation of the law. Under the 5th amendment, the government cannot take private property without fair compensation. As a result, if the government wants to ban possession of anything, it has to be prepared to buy back all the items that are to be banned. That could be a very expensive proposition.

On the other hand, liberals don’t really care how much regulation costs, so I guess this won’t be a big issue in their minds after all.

Selkirk on December 27, 2012 at 12:39 PM

I have yet to see a single new gun law suggestion that would have prevented the tragedy in Connecticut or the mall shooting or the movie theater shooting. Feinstein’s bill is a grab bag of the anti-gun lobby wishes and not something that would have prevented the shootings.

Queasy on December 27, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Then you haven’t been paying attention. Hypocrite Heilstein’s bill specifically bans those shoulder things that go up, also known as barrel shrouds.

I’m pretty sure that Savage Lanza had in his possession 2 barrel-shrouded AK15 Glocks with high magazine bullet clips.

Bishop on December 27, 2012 at 12:41 PM

I have yet to see a single new gun law suggestion that would have prevented the tragedy in Connecticut or the mall shooting or the movie theater shooting. Feinstein’s bill is a grab bag of the anti-gun lobby wishes and not something that would have prevented the shootings.

Queasy on December 27, 2012 at 12:36 PM

The anti-Constitution faction has the nerve to include the Fort Hood shooting in the same group as VA Tech, Columbine, Aurora, and all the rest. That was a terrorist act by a radical Muslim no matter what the rat-eared wonder’s administration claims. Nidal Hasan legally purchased the weapon and practiced with it at the gun store. But somehow, when it comes to any sort of dialogue all we get from the left is half-baked lies and stereotypical generalizations about mental illness with ample doses of faux outrage.

Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Personally I think everybody supporting banning stuff should be called out and forced to answer what they have against our Bill of Rights.

Try having a personal conversation with your favorite lib and simply ask what they would like to see passed to address what happened at Sandy Hook. I have yet to hear a response that any legislator would forward from the left.

DanMan on December 27, 2012 at 12:29 PM

A favorite exercise of mine? Asking my favorite libs how Bush could have prevented 9/11 from happening, in a way that they would approve of.

11+ years later, and I am still waiting for an answer.

Del Dolemonte on December 27, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Totally agree. All this noise is being generated by a vocal minority that has the press to shield them. That’s why I say confront your favorite lib. They can’t withstand the first question that pushes back on their utopian ideal regarding this issue.

Notice how just every headline with a shooter causing chaos has a criminal or mental case at its core. And the story always seems to have a witness that will declare “I knew he wasn’t right” or “Why is he out of jail?.”

DanMan on December 27, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..

Glenn Thrush ‏@GlennThrush

Do-over: gun folks so passionate about punishing @davidgregory for empty hi capacity clip — mute on murders committed with full clips. Why?
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Media critic of the year.—> RT @RichardGrenell: Buried in the @USAToday poll: 54% of Americans have a favorable opinion of the NRA.
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canopfor on December 27, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Heck, under the right conditions, a baseball bat is an assault weapon. If I bash your head in with it, it becomes a weapon I assaulted you with (hence an assault weapon). Ban assault weapons, ban freedom. It’s all semantics.

xmanvietnam on December 27, 2012 at 12:44 PM

A favorite exercise of mine? Asking my favorite libs how Bush could have prevented 9/11 from happening, in a way that they would approve of.

Del Dolemonte on December 27, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Almost as fun as asking them how the United States should have responded afterward. They usually go Patty Murray on that one. Working to win the hearts of the Muslim animals that did this instead of responding with force.

Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 12:45 PM

There is also significant support for banning the sale and possession of high-capacity magazines, which are defined in this poll as “high-capacity ammunition clips that can contain more than 10 bullets.” If possession is banned, then that means millions of gun owners could find themselves in violation of the law, even for their handguns, unless the law grandfathers those magazines already in possession. If so, though, it’s difficult to see how the law will be able to distinguish between those bought before or after the ban.

Go ahead, just try to ban….make their day.

“Guns Sold Out at Wal-Mart as Ammo-Magazine Sales Surge”

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-12-19/guns-sold-out-at-wal-mart-as-ammo-surge-on-e-bay

tencole on December 27, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Media critic of the year.—> RT @RichardGrenell: Buried in the @USAToday poll: 54% of Americans have a favorable opinion of the NRA.
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https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew

canopfor on December 27, 2012 at 12:44 PM

The NRA and the defense of gun rights these past two weeks is the blueprint for conservatives to start winning elections again.

sentinelrules on December 27, 2012 at 12:47 PM

And the story always seems to have a witness that will declare “I knew he wasn’t right” or “Why is he out of jail?.”

DanMan on December 27, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Lostmotherland fits that definition.

We should act before it’s too late.

Bishop on December 27, 2012 at 12:48 PM

They are as worthless as the filthy rat-eared bastard in the White House who has killed hundreds of Mexicans in a previous attempt to help the Brady Group get rid of privately owned weapons completely.

Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 12:15 PM

He said he’d do it “under the radar.” He will. He’ll let this issue exhaust itself and in six months he’ll sign an EO banning one thing or another. He’ll just do it. Because he can. Because the media won’t say a word. Because Republicans won’t do a thing. And because he can.

rrpjr on December 27, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Banning high-capacity magazines makes even less sense than banning guns because in a few years people are going to be able to download and print ammo magazines on 3D printers in the privacy of their own home. Yes, 3D printers are already on the commercial market and aren’t far away from entering the home market; this isn’t sci-fi. There’s already millions if not billions of regular, non-gimped (hi-capacity) magazines in the possession of law abiding American gun owners, if they’re banned then only criminals will have them in a confrontation.

Once people are informed that it is totally futile and counterproductive to try to ban them then efforts to do so will fail.

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Political Kabuki.
Biden’s sham committee will make several onerous recommendations, DOA. Axelrod et al will milk the ‘blame republicans’ cow for 10days / two weekend cycles. Then Obama will ‘view with regret’ and sign the EO that’s already written, unilaterally blocking imports of firearms and related material. Poof goes 45% of the firearm supply, a third of the ammo, most of the magazines for AKs and foreign-made pistols. Prices on everything else soar, shelves empty even further. A few foreign brands act to establish US manufactories.

rayra on December 27, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Cho, Loughner, Holmes to name but 3. All with psych problems. All able to legally purchase a firearm.

Dear Di’s proposed law doesn’t even address that issue.

It won’t pass. But it will make Dear Di look good to her base.

GarandFan on December 27, 2012 at 12:54 PM

a capella on December 27, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Harry Reid’s rhetoric is escalating from stridency to incitement. Have you noticed?

petefrt on December 27, 2012 at 12:56 PM

There is also significant support for banning the sale and possession of high-capacity magazines, which are defined in this poll as “high-capacity ammunition clips that can contain more than 10 bullets

‘Magazines’, not ‘clips’.

‘Cartridges’, not ‘bullets’.

These guys ask questions without even knowing the meaning of the words they use. They’ve been corrected on these terms for 20 years now and they still can’t get them right.

But they think they should be telling us what the solution is to gun violence.

Socratease on December 27, 2012 at 12:57 PM

The NRA and the defense of gun rights these past two weeks is the blueprint for conservatives to start winning elections again.

sentinelrules on December 27, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Megadittos.

petefrt on December 27, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Well,call me stunned,and,if it was a GOP President……

3m Stacy Stacy ‏@Brn_Eyed_Gurl

Hypocrisy at its Finest: Obama: I Ran So I Could Have ‘Men With Guns’ Around My Daughters #GunControl #tcot http://shar.es/hI5b6

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Obama: I Ran So I Could Have ‘Men With Guns’ Around My Daughters

27 Dec 2012, 5:58 AM PDT 227 Dec 2012, 5:58 AM PDT
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President Barack Obama told ABC News’ Barbara Walters that he ran for re-election because he wanted “men with guns” around as his daughters, Malia (14) and Sasha (11), begin dating boys.

The interview was the first that the President and First Lady have given since Obama’s re-election in November. It aired on Nightline on December 26.

In its published highlights, ABC News has drawn attention to the Obamas’ comments about keeping the romance alive in their marriage, yet those remarks were followed by this exchange:
President Barack Obama told ABC News’ Barbara Walters that he ran for re-election because he wanted “men with guns” around as his daughters, Malia (14) and Sasha (11), begin dating boys.

The interview was the first that the President and First Lady have given since Obama’s re-election in November. It aired on Nightline on December 26.

In its published highlights, ABC News has drawn attention to the Obamas’ comments about keeping the romance alive in their marriage, yet those remarks were followed by this exchange:
(More……………..)
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/27/Obama-I-Ran-So-I-Could-Have-Men-With-Guns-Around-My-Daughters

canopfor on December 27, 2012 at 12:59 PM

It won’t pass. But it will make Dear Di look good to her base.

GarandFan on December 27, 2012 at 12:54 PM

That’s because her base is stupid people with mental health issues of their own. Most of them are single issue voters because they get confused if they actually have to think instead of parroting prepared talking points. They truly ignorant losers who mooch off of society and are of no value to the world.

Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Payback’s a biatch.

I hate the first and the 2nd outing.

The land is goind the way of Egypt.

Tyrannical leftists, here’s a friend note, one from lots of experience. Your dictators hate you the most and you will be punished first. Dictators absolutely hate weasels. Otherwise they wouldn’t be dicatators.

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Diane FrankenFienstien is an absolute moron.

What the hell are ‘high-capacity ammunition feeding devises’? Can’t even be bothered to spell correctly yet she’s writing law that would gut out 2nd Amendment.

I have never cared to place term limits on these people because I want good ones to be able to stay and continue their work but I’d be willing to entertain the idea if we could get rid of this old rag.

jawkneemusic on December 27, 2012 at 1:01 PM

canopfor on December 27, 2012 at 12:44 PM

The NRA and the defense of gun rights these past two weeks is the blueprint for conservatives to start winning elections again.

sentinelrules on December 27, 2012 at 12:47 PM

sentinelrules:

Well,I sure did like what NRA Prez said,on the Sunday,
Lefty talky shows,you might be right!:)

canopfor on December 27, 2012 at 1:02 PM

These guys ask questions without even knowing the meaning of the words they use. They’ve been corrected on these terms for 20 years now and they still can’t get them right.

But they think they should be telling us what the solution is to gun violence.

Socratease on December 27, 2012 at 12:57 PM

The bigger question IMO is if the individuals being polled were smart enough about firearms to know the difference between a clip and a magazine. If not, the response is more about “feelings” than anything else. Hardly the way forward if we are to have a serious debate on the issue.

I think that there will be a lot of heat but that the worthless bill put out there today is the high water mark. We’ll go into the 113th Congress and Feinstein’s bill will be as relevant and meaningful as the whore who introduced it.

Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Ahem………………….

Prudence ‏@dennygirltwo

@AMERICA4GOD: Hitler quote eerily similar to “Obama talk” #GunControl #2A #tcot pic.twitter.com/eXpJkdmB

https://twitter.com/Montana1010/status/279772658021834753/photo/1
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canopfor on December 27, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Well,I sure did like what NRA Prez said,on the Sunday,
Lefty talky shows,you might be right!:)

canopfor on December 27, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Serious question. Why does LaPierre or conservative politicians go on shows like MTP to begin with. They are liberal echo chambers where “journalists” throw out loaded questions. LaPierre would have been taken out in handcuffs had he been the one with that magazine.

There is plenty of “new media” out there. Why waste one minute listening to a tiny little propaganda-spewing Greek commie?

Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Rewrite

The land is going the way of Egypt.

Tyrannical leftists, here’s a friendly note, one from lots of experience. Your dictators hate you the most and you will be punished first. Dictators absolutely hate weasels. Otherwise they wouldn’t be dictators.

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 1:06 PM

You’d think that at this point Piers would want to be deported back to the foam-padded baby cribs and straitjackets of his beloved Islamic homeland of England.

CrustyB on December 27, 2012 at 1:07 PM

A favorite exercise of mine? Asking my favorite libs how Bush could have prevented 9/11 from happening, in a way that they would approve of.

Del Dolemonte on December 27, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Almost as fun as asking them how the United States should have responded afterward. They usually go Patty Murray on that one. Working to win the hearts of the Muslim animals that did this instead of responding with force.

Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Of course everyone here on Planet Earth knows the answer to how Bush could have prevented 9/11-racial profiling, warrantless wiretaps, etc. etc.

But had Bush tried to prevent 19 dudes from trying to hijack some planes, they would have started impeachment proceedings immediately.

Del Dolemonte on December 27, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Please, oh please go after handguns too. 2014 should be a hoot.

Chuck Schick on December 27, 2012 at 1:12 PM

The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson.

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Truism

“ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IS NO MATCH FOR NATURAL STUPIDITY.”

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm….

Andrew Kaczynski ‏@BuzzFeedAndrew

Obama in campaign video: “I am not going to take your guns away….that just ain’t true.” http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/obama-in-campaign-video-i-am-not-going-to-take-y
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Obama In Campaign Video: “I Am Not Going To Take Your Guns Away….That Just Ain’t True”

The video is on his official Barack Obama YouTube channel. He delivered the line in 2008, countering warnings from the National Rifle Association. posted Dec 27, 2012 1:09pm EST
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http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/obama-in-campaign-video-i-am-not-going-to-take-y

canopfor on December 27, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Feinsten’s bill will go nowhere

blatantblue on December 27, 2012 at 12:03 PM

She will, where it’s not cold.

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 1:19 PM

The people won’t allow gun control unless there’s a national crisis to justify it, a perfect storm. Something along the lines of economic collapse, collapse of the dollar, food shortages, looting.

But Dear Leader would never permit that.

petefrt on December 27, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Le Oops!

Gun Debate Exposes Media’s Bias, David Gregory Exposed Their Hypocrisy
by Noah Rothman | 12:55 pm, December 27th, 2012
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http://www.mediaite.com/online/gun-debate-exposes-medias-bias-david-gregory-exposed-their-hypocrisy/

https://twitter.com/mediaite

canopfor on December 27, 2012 at 1:23 PM

The passage of any such laws will make criminals out of millions of us…..
Shepherd Lover on December 27, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Floyd Ferris explains it pretty well:

Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed? We want them broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against . . .

We’re after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you’d better get wise to it. There’s no way to rule innocent men.

The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.

Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Rearden, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”

And in a world with any real justice, those that make such laws, should be required to be at the very front of the teams that go out to try to enforce them.

LegendHasIt on December 27, 2012 at 1:26 PM

So they want stricter laws regarding the sale of firearms … hmmm, it’s illegal to possess a firearm on the streets of Chicago yet 2,600+ shootings have occurred in 2012, and the majority of them were not committed in homes, the only place where legally acquired and properly registered firearms are legally allowed to be kept within the city limits of Chicago.

To apply for a Chicago firearm permit, you must get training and a signed affidavit as proof of training. You also need 2 identical passport photos taken within 30 days of application, a valid IL driver’s license (or IL ID card) as proof of minimum vision requirements to drive (or so that you can properly line up your target?), be fingerprinted and background checked. You cannot have been convicted of any violent crime or domestic violence nor have 2 or more dui offenses, alcohol or drugs. Application fee is $100 and you must re-register annually.

Handgun owners must have both a city permit and an IL state firearms ID card and guns must be registered with the CPD. Guns can be kept in a home but can’t be stored in a garage, front porch or yard and storage is prohibited in hotels, dorms and group facilities. Guns also must be broken down and not trigger ready to be transported within the city.

Sale of firearms and ammunition is prohibited within the city limits of Chicago. However, the Cook County board has conveniently imposed a $25 tax on gun purchases if you go to the suburbs to purchase one.

So in light of all this rigamarole to simply be able to keep a gun in your home, do the idiot libturds and politicians really think that law-abiding citizens are committing gun crimes with legally registered guns? And do they really think the hardened criminals who couldn’t qualify for a permit would stop obtaining guns illegally to commit crimes with?

stukinIL4now on December 27, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Most ‘normal’ people hate you and your gun toting, narrow minded ilk. Go pollute your own country somewhere far far away from the rest of us.
 
lostmotherland on December 21, 2012 at 6:51 PM

rogerb on December 27, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Go find a ditch to die in.
lostmotherland on December 21, 2012 at 6:49 PM

tom daschle concerned on December 27, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Liberal Madness abounds………………………..

we petition the obama administration to:
REVOKE tax-exempt nonprofit status of NRA. Conflict of Interest – NOT promoting public safety, pursuit of personal gain.

The NRA’s efforts to promote gun manufacturing and gun sales are in the interest of personal gain, NOT public benefit.

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canopfor on December 27, 2012 at 1:34 PM

‘Magazines’, not ‘clips’.

‘Cartridges’, not ‘bullets’.

These guys ask questions without even knowing the meaning of the words they use. They’ve been corrected on these terms for 20 years now and they still can’t get them right.

But they think they should be telling us what the solution is to gun violence.

Socratease on December 27, 2012 at 12:57 PM

This. And the ignorance is evident both up and down the chain. My daughter’s school sent home a two page guide written by some brainiac with an ‘MD’ after her name. She’s apparently some expert on childrens behavioral and safety issues. Most of the bullet points contained within were your basic, “Assure your child that school is a safe place for them to be,” meme, but the last one was a classic. “Discuss whether access to ‘automatic’ weapons truly benefits society…” Ten seconds later I’m firing off a missive to her explainining the difference between automatic and semi-automatic, and calling her on the carpet for either purposely misleading her readership, or else displaying a staggering amount of ignorance on a subject she clearly feels justified in lecturing others about.

Never got an answer, nor did I expect one. Just like I didn’t expect a response when my local TV network showed someone emptying a magazine on full-auto when the conversation was about the assault weapons ban.

Semantics, willfull ignorance, or a conscious effort to mislead the ‘low information voter’ as to what’s really going on here. Take your pick.

CaptFlood on December 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM

CaptFlood on December 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Good job.

rrpjr on December 27, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Poll results are not facts.

DanMan on December 27, 2012 at 12:07 PM

don’t tell that to the Mittbots they believed the polls.

unseen on December 27, 2012 at 1:50 PM

canopfor on December 27, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Serious question. Why does LaPierre or conservative politicians go on shows like MTP to begin with. They are liberal echo chambers where “journalists” throw out loaded questions. LaPierre would have been taken out in handcuffs had he been the one with that magazine.

There is plenty of “new media” out there. Why waste one minute listening to a tiny little propaganda-spewing Greek commie?

Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Happy Nomad:

Yup,GOP/Conservatives,for some reason,walk into an Ambush,
Sound-Bite Talky Points,all the time,its perplexing me thinks!:)

canopfor on December 27, 2012 at 1:52 PM

LegendHasIt on December 27, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Hallelujah! What an intelligent thought process!!!

———–
rogerb, you are a heck of an HA librarian!!!

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 1:55 PM

As a result, if the government wants to ban possession of anything, it has to be prepared to buy back all the items that are to be banned. That could be a very expensive proposition.Selkirk on December 27, 2012 at 12:39 PM

No, that won’t be an issue. The feds will determine “fair price” and it won’t be related to actual value. Just a token amount.

a capella on December 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Term Limits = A ban on automatic assault politicians.

trigon on December 27, 2012 at 1:57 PM

They’ve been at this game of disarmament of the nation’s last defenders for many decades now and won’t give up… I recall the very same BS being tossed around by the same left (the media and their Democratic puppet-masters) when JFK was shot and they had an strong emotional opening to for knee-jerk idiot approval.

The NRA responded that there already were over 22,000 gun control bill on the nation’s books and they didn’t help a bit. Laws don’t stop law breakers. It’s not about guns, nor crime, nor safety. It’s about people control and the only answer to their control-freak games is that “we know your agenda and we’re not playing!”

Don L on December 27, 2012 at 2:00 PM

I think Congress Should declare the Whitehouse and Capital Building and Supreme court buildings gun free zones. anyone with a gun in the zone should get 5 years in jail. Anyone inculding bodyguards, secret service and capital police.

unseen on December 27, 2012 at 2:03 PM

do not just blow feisteins bill off as not passing.
be extremely vigilant.
we tinfoilers are sometimes right and she has a chance to push this through.
maine will agree too it, pingree/michaud and Sen Elect King will treat it as the second coming or something and be all for it.

not saying it WILL pass, just saying do not let your guard down.

dmacleo on December 27, 2012 at 2:04 PM

No, that won’t be an issue. The feds will determine “fair price” and it won’t be related to actual value. Just a token amount.

a capella on December 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM

or the FEd will just print more money to cover the costs. they are printing about a $trillion a year now out of thin air what another couple 100 billion.

unseen on December 27, 2012 at 2:05 PM

don’t tell that to the Mittbots they believed the polls.

unseen on December 27, 2012 at 1:50 PM

The Mittbots were not the problem with the election. Ballot box stuffing in a few dozen precincts in four key states were.

DanMan on December 27, 2012 at 2:06 PM

I think Congress Should declare the Whitehouse and Capital Building and Supreme court buildings gun free zones. anyone with a gun in the zone should get 5 years in jail. Anyone inculding bodyguards, secret service and capital police.

unseen on December 27, 2012 at 2:03 PM

+1!

FloatingRock on December 27, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Yup,GOP/Conservatives,for some reason,walk into an Ambush, Sound-Bite Talky Points,all the time,its perplexing me thinks!:)

canopfor on December 27, 2012 at 1:52 PM

There has been a lot of talk about GOP messaging lately. I’d suggest the first thing to do is forego all the Sunday talk shows. Susan Rice proved that you can’t believe a single thing that is said anyway- and she got the friendly treatment. Conservative guests get morons like Gregory who doesn’t understand the difference between a clip and a magazine. This isn’t the 1950s when there were only three networks. Time to get the message out by way of the new media instead of relying on the objectivity of Greek midgets.

Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 2:12 PM

He said he’d do it “under the radar.” He will. He’ll let this issue exhaust itself and in six months he’ll sign an EO banning one thing or another. He’ll just do it. Because he can. Because the media won’t say a word. Because Republicans won’t do a thing. And because he can.

rrpjr on December 27, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Yup

Dr. Frank Enstine on December 27, 2012 at 2:18 PM

I’d suggest the first thing to do is forego all the Sunday talk shows.
Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 2:12 PM

That there is crazy talk. The repubs bend over backwards for the dems and libs just so they can be invited on those shows.

Dr. Frank Enstine on December 27, 2012 at 2:20 PM

In Sandy Hook, the left have been delivered their “burning of the Reichstag” event.
(yea, I know all about Godwin’s Law. But what if it fits?)

kurtzz3 on December 27, 2012 at 2:21 PM

He said he’d do it “under the radar.” He will. He’ll let this issue exhaust itself and in six months he’ll sign an EO banning one thing or another. He’ll just do it. Because he can. Because the media won’t say a word. Because Republicans won’t do a thing. And because he can.

rrpjr on December 27, 2012 at 12:50 PM

+100

If we had a media worthy of the title, we wouldn’t be having this conversation, and frankly… We wouldn’t have Obama either.

CaptFlood on December 27, 2012 at 2:25 PM

The NRA and the defense of gun rights these past two weeks is the blueprint for conservatives to start winning elections again.

sentinelrules on December 27, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Agree 100%

The GOP and conservatives could learn from the NRA on how to handle a crisis. They changed the debate from gun control to an issue of protection. Some conservatives were against what the NRA said, like it was not possible to put armed police in every school, or that the NRA said nasty things about violence in Movies and Video Games.

It seems to me there are two types of Republicans who don’t understand how to win. One type apologizes for everything, falls apart under pressure and is scared of the MSM. A good example of that is Boehner. Another type is clueless about politics, lives in a ivory tower, and is so principled that they cannot even see a good strategy (yet they always defend bad ones) even when it is right in front of them. Todd Akin was a good example of that type of Republican.

NRA shows that you can be principled, strong, and yet also be politically and strategically smart. You don’t have to confront your enemies all the time in frontal assaults, you can flank them, or surprise them. The MSM expected the NRA would either fold out of fear or look like a bunch of militant wild eyed idiots with no solution at all…instead they presented alternative solution, that was smart (or smart sounding at least), popular, better than the one presented by the progressives and surprised the MSM by confronting the MSM on their own turf (like Meet the Press).

The press went nuts, showed America the plan told everyone how crazy the NRA plan was, but the NRA planned for that to happen, in fact wanted it to happen. They knew that the American people would like the plan and let the MSM clown themselves by arguing against it while the MSM was helping the NRA get their plan to the public.

Brilliant stuff…really a work of art.
NRA…I salute you.

William Eaton on December 27, 2012 at 2:28 PM

sauce for the goose, all of the personal info for the assclowns at the Journal who exposed gun owners around Scarsdale.

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rayra on December 27, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Serious question. Why does LaPierre or conservative politicians go on shows like MTP to begin with. They are liberal echo chambers where “journalists” throw out loaded questions. LaPierre would have been taken out in handcuffs had he been the one with that magazine.

There is plenty of “new media” out there. Why waste one minute listening to a tiny little propaganda-spewing Greek commie?

Happy Nomad on December 27, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Because a lot of ‘low information’ policymakers watch crap like Meet the Press.

rayra on December 27, 2012 at 2:38 PM

The people won’t allow gun control unless there’s a national crisis to justify it, a perfect storm. Something along the lines of economic collapse, collapse of the dollar, food shortages, looting.

But Dear Leader would never permit that.

petefrt on December 27, 2012 at 1:20 PM

You kidding? It’s exactly that impending chaos that’s driving the massive arming of America. This latest panic is just the tip of the iceberg.

rayra on December 27, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Yes, you can keep your AR! All you have to do is stick your head in the noose, and you can go on your way.

Unless a bunch of Representatives are willing to make this their last term this will go nowhere. The most that will come of this is an executive order banning importation of guns and ammo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsdZKCh6RsU

claudius on December 27, 2012 at 2:43 PM

They’ve been at this game of disarmament of the nation’s last defenders for many decades now and won’t give up… I recall the very same BS being tossed around by the same left (the media and their Democratic puppet-masters) when JFK was shot and they had an strong emotional opening to for knee-jerk idiot approval.

Don L on December 27, 2012 at 2:00 PM

… and they GOT it. The 1968 Gun Control Act (GCA)was the second major piece of infringement, predicated on the assassinations and ‘the mail order loophole’. Just as with the 1934 GCA, predicated on gangster rampages and ‘revenuers’ getting their asses shot off going after moonshiners. ‘Something Must Be Done’.
Just as with the fraud in the “Assault Weapon” Ban of 1994. And now they wave around 20 bloody little corpses and try to stampede the nation into the biggest disarmament attempt yet. ~100 years of Progressive disarmament efforts.

rayra on December 27, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Term Limits = A ban on automatic assault politicians.

trigon on December 27, 2012 at 1:57 PM

Especially the expanding jacketed hollow-heads. They are the worst.

Kenosha Kid on December 27, 2012 at 2:52 PM

In Sandy Hook, the left have been delivered their “burning of the Reichstag” event.
(yea, I know all about Godwin’s Law. But what if it fits?)

kurtzz3 on December 27, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Second crack at it really, since Fast & Furious was done for the same purpose, to produce a pile of messily dead poeple to serve as proximate cause for disarmament. ATF ‘settled’ for multiple purchase reporting / registration in border states – after the ATF themselves enabled those massive multiple purchases by illegal buyers.

rayra on December 27, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Idiot Brit is a legend in his own mind like so many other talking heads. He needs to go back where he came from………..

ultracon on December 27, 2012 at 2:54 PM

I need to go and buy more 00 and 000 shells……

ultracon on December 27, 2012 at 2:55 PM

How about writing an essay on why polls of 1038 people DO NOT REPRESENT WHAT AMERICA THINKS!!!111!!

from the poll that helpfully explains why the have a 95% confidence in their +/- 4% error…

In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.

Poll results are not facts.

DanMan on December 27, 2012 at 12:07 PM

You forgot:

eLeVenTy!!!1111!!!

98ZJUSMC on December 27, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Before we consider any gun bill, how about Hollywood stop making movies with guns in them for 1 year? Just 1 lousy year.

claudius on December 27, 2012 at 3:16 PM

My daughter gave me .40 cal ammo for Christmas….. brought up well, if I do say so myself!

ultracon on December 27, 2012 at 3:20 PM

The idiocy of more laws for non criminals. It’s the same as a ban on spoons to stop obesity. Yet they think that it will solve the problem.

mixplix on December 27, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Before we consider any gun bill, how about Hollywood stop making movies with guns in them for 1 year? Just 1 lousy year.

claudius on December 27, 2012 at 3:16 PM

Silly Rabbit, the only evil gun movies coming out of Hollywood are those made by Republicans like Clint Eastwood…

Del Dolemonte on December 27, 2012 at 3:32 PM

…how about a Gallup Survey for a proposed constitutional amendment…. to have Purse Morgan castrated on prime time TV?

KOOLAID2 on December 27, 2012 at 3:47 PM

I’m pretty sure that Savage Lanza had in his possession 2 barrel-shrouded AK15 Glocks with high magazine bullet clips.

Bishop on December 27, 2012 at 12:41 PM

He used Bushmaster Glocks, didn’t he? Or were they Smith & Wesson?

I need to go and buy more 00 and 000 shells……

ultracon on December 27, 2012 at 2:55 PM

Hmm, are those generally perceived to be the best home defense/short range load? Read somewhere that some folks were suggesting something like a ’4′ (sorry, new to shotgun shell varieties, lol).

Midas on December 27, 2012 at 4:05 PM

My daughter gave me .40 cal ammo for Christmas….. brought up well, if I do say so myself!

ultracon on December 27, 2012 at 3:20 PM

My bro bought me 200 rds of .45

Now that is love.

tom daschle concerned on December 27, 2012 at 4:09 PM

A favorite exercise of mine? Asking my favorite libs how Bush could have prevented 9/11 from happening, in a way that they would approve of.

Del Dolemonte on December 27, 2012 at 12:42 PM

That’s easy….cut off all ties and financial aid to Israel.

Now that the anti-Israel wing of the Democrat Party is officially out of the closet, it’ll be interesting to see how emboldened they’ll become over the next four years.

ardenenoch on December 27, 2012 at 4:15 PM

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