CNN: Reid hunting for Senate (and House) votes for Obama’s fiscal cliff bill; Update: U.S. to hit debt ceiling on Monday, says Geithner

posted at 4:30 pm on December 26, 2012 by Allahpundit

If you’re wondering what the House’s Plan C might be, stop wondering. According to Boehner’s conference call this afternoon, America’s in Harry Reid’s hands now:

Reid’s plan, according to a “senior Democratic source,” is to do what Obama wants, of course:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, in conjunction with the White House, is working to see if the scaled back fiscal cliff package President Barack Obama laid out last week can get through Congress before December 31st.

Reid has made clear in private conversations he does not want to bring any bill to the Senate floor unless he is sure it will pass both the Democratic-led Senate and the Republican-held House…

As far as the House goes, Democrats believe if they can get a bill through the Senate, it is likely they can get it through the House with most Democrats voting yes and, Democrats hope, about 30 or so House Republicans crossing party lines

The scaled back measure being developed by Democrats would first and foremost keep tax rates at current levels on incomes under $250,000 and let taxes go up on income above that threshold.

The point of the Plan B kabuki was to force Obama to up his offer on the income cut-off for new taxes by showing that Boehner could hold his caucus together. If he could get 218 Republican votes for a bill extending the Bush tax cuts for everyone who earns less than $1 million per year, he’d prove to the White House that he could get a critical mass of GOPers to agree to de facto tax hikes on the rich — so long as the income cut-off was set relatively high.

When Plan B failed, so did his leverage on that point. Now the White House knows that the final bill, if it passes before December 31, will only pass with Democratic votes, which means it’ll have to be more liberal than Plan B. Bailing on Boehner thus means more small businesses will feel the crunch next year unless centrist Republicans stick with the rest of the caucus right now and refuse to pass Obama’s plan if he doesn’t raise the income cut-off from $250,000. Somewhere between that number and $1 million lies the number that’s going to get a deal done. Obama already proposed making the cut-off $400,000, so presumably he’ll end up back at that number (or higher) unless there’s a complete breakdown in Republican discipline and Obama/Reid/Pelosi somehow manage to peel off 30 GOP votes for the $250,000 mark. Anyone feel confident that that won’t happen with the December 31 deadline bearing down? Bear these new numbers from Gallup in mind when making your prediction:

Per CNN, Democrats figure — wisely — that their best chance to get O’s plan through the House is to time it so that the bill ends up there on December 30 or 31, when political pressure on the GOP will be at its zenith. Which makes me wonder: Will Boehner try to block the bill or will he let it come to the floor? The vote for the next Speaker happens just a few days later, on January 3; if he allows Democrats to pass a bill with token Republican help that hikes taxes on everyone who makes $250,000 or more, there may be enough conservative opposition to end his Speakership. It’s in his own political interest at this point, then, to go over the cliff, let the tax hikes take effect across the board, and then let the House vote on cutting the “new,” higher tax rates for earners below $250,000. So we’re going over the cliff, I guess.

Update: It’ll be mighty interesting to see what Obama does between now and New Year’s. As I said above, he’ll have a better shot at getting those 30 GOP votes he needs if he ups his offer on the income cut-off. But if we go over the cliff, he might not need to up his offer; there might be enough panicky Republicans to raise taxes on earners above $250,000 after January 1 simply in the interest of ending this clusterfark. Is O ready to cliff dive in the interest of keeping his preferred income cut-off as low as possible?

Update: The fiscal cliff standoff isn’t just about tax hikes, although it often feels that way. It’s also about raising the debt ceiling. Obama wants it raised for a year or more so that he doesn’t have to deal with Republicans trying to extract new spending cuts from him next year; conservatives don’t want it raised at all until O proves he’s serious about deficit reduction.

Coincidentally, here’s Obama’s Treasury secretary informing the country at a moment of intense pressure on the GOP that we’re about to hit the debt ceiling. Again.

As a result, the Treasury Department will soon start using what it calls “extraordinary measures” to prevent government borrowing from exceeding the legal limit, Geithner wrote…

But it’s unclear how much time the extraordinary measures can buy now because there are so many unanswered questions about tax and spending policies, Geithner said, referring to the lack of any resolution of the fiscal cliff.

“If left unresolved, the expiring tax provisions and automatic spending cuts, as well as the attendant delays in filing of tax returns, would have the effect of adding some additional time to the duration of the extraordinary measures,” he wrote.

Think Obama can find 30 Republicans willing to vote “yes” on a bill to make all of that go away?


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LeftCoastRight on December 26, 2012 at 4:31 PM

America’s in Harry Reid’s hands now:

If that doesn’t send shutters down your spine I don’t know what will.

Hey Obama – why don’t you give this leader of the free world thing a try. You know actually do the job the moochers elected you to do.

gophergirl on December 26, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Reid hunting for Senate (and House) votes …

Uh, could we please cut out all of the VIOLENT rhetoric?

Pork-Chop on December 26, 2012 at 4:37 PM

Per CNN, Democrats figure — wisely — that their best chance to get O’s plan through the House is to time it so that the bill ends up there on December 30 or 31, when political pressure on the GOP will be at its zenith.

And Boner and the rest of the RINO’s will blink first…..and Obama gets what he wants.

We’ve played this game before.

WE NEED NEW LEADERSHIP.

Tim_CA on December 26, 2012 at 4:37 PM

The House GOP is in a stronger position than the media propagandists would have the public believe. It’s time for the rat-eared wonder and his party of parasites and moochers to do something with the bills the House has already passed. My only regret is that Boehner is speaker as he has a habit of cutting deals that assume the Dems are working in good faith when they so clearly have no intention of living up to their side of any deal. They are the enemy and if they want to raise taxes then they have to show where cuts are coming from now. No “”we’ll figure it out later” because there will be no later.

As to re-electing Boehner a giant Hell NO! no matter the outcome of the fiscal cliff.

Happy Nomad on December 26, 2012 at 4:42 PM

Why would anyone have a problem with this? I’d rather see a few GOP House members turncoat and vote with the Dims than to see the entire Republican caucus cave to this “revenue increase” folly.

Bailing on Boehner thus means more small businesses will feel the crunch next year

Is the purpose of governing to simply “ensure” that no one feels pain anymore? There was an election – they have consequences – everyone’s going to feel the pain. Why should the GOP want to mask that over and become complicent in Obama’s economic mythologies?

HondaV65 on December 26, 2012 at 4:43 PM

And Boner and the rest of the RINO’s will blink first…..and Obama gets what he wants.

We’ve played this game before.

WE NEED NEW LEADERSHIP.

Tim_CA on December 26, 2012 at 4:37 PM

Leadership doesn’t matter. The repubs will always cave.

Dr. Frank Enstine on December 26, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Boner could be out-negotiated by a three-legged, semi-retarted, half-dead goat.

(and the goat would end up with Boner’s watch and cigarettes)

Tim_CA on December 26, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Well first he has to get his ass back from that hellhole, Searchlight Nevada.

Hummer53 on December 26, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Vote present let the Democrats own it all.

ButterflyDragon on December 26, 2012 at 4:50 PM

The best thing that the GOP could do is fold up shop and vote “present” on any bill presented. Fiscal cliff bills, internet security bills, bills to increase unemployment compensation, etc – whatever … just vote “present”.

This throws everything that happens in the lap of the Democrats in control of the Federal government.

The Red States will then have no choice but to fight the feds on these initiatives. There’s just certain things the deep Red states won’t accept.

Hell – let the Dims pass a bill to ban all firearms – that would be a GODSEND to the cause. “Crybaby Ooompa Loompa” can’t do anything to salvage this – it’s going to take people in sensible states getting VERY angry at their government.

Let it happen.

HondaV65 on December 26, 2012 at 4:51 PM

The vote for the next Speaker happens just a few days later, on January 3; if he allows Democrats to pass a bill with token Republican help that hikes taxes on everyone who makes $250,000 or more, there may be enough conservative opposition to end his Speakership. It’s in his own political interest at this point to go over the cliff, let the tax hikes take effect across the board, and then let the House vote on cutting the “new,” higher tax rates for earners below $250,000. So we’re going over the cliff, I guess.

Man, I just don’t know what to say.

How pathetic is it that the primary concern here seems to be whether Boehner will survive as speaker or not? Really? If enough Republicans peel off to join Dems and pass a tax hike on peeps earning over $250k, they OUGHT to be worried about tens of thousands of citizens descending on DC, waiving high-capacity magazines *and* related parts in their general direction – not simply worrying about cryin’ john.

And… still, no discussion about the problem – spending.

I cannot strongly enough express my disgust.

LIB – if taxes go up on some, then damnitalltohell, let them go up on EVERYONE, including the moochers. No minimum, EVERYONE pays some damned taxes, ffs.

Midas on December 26, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Ist ?

LeftCoastRight on December 26, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Do you get a prize?

Special Forces Grunt on December 26, 2012 at 4:53 PM

Step aside. Vote present. If Obama’s answer is tax hikes, let him have ‘em. Let his party own ‘em. Let it burn.

SAMinVA on December 26, 2012 at 4:55 PM

If he could get 218 Republican votes for a bill extending the Bush tax cuts for everyone who earns less than $1 million per year, he’d prove to the White House that he could get a critical mass of GOPers to agree to de facto tax hikes on the rich — so long as the income cut-off was set relatively high.

Class war in the tax code is class war. Period. No self-respecting conservative should support any sort of class war. We don’t do the marxist “race/class/gender” thing.

When Plan B failed, so did his leverage on that point.

Boner had no business making that offer. Man, Boner is one guy I would NEVER hand power of attorney to. He’s insane and stupid.

Now the White House knows that the final bill, if it passes before December 31, will only pass with Democratic votes, which means it’ll have to be more liberal than Plan B.

Fine. Let the dems own it.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 26, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Is the purpose of governing to simply “ensure” that no one feels pain anymore? There was an election – they have consequences – everyone’s going to feel the pain. Why should the GOP want to mask that over and become complicent in Obama’s economic mythologies?

HondaV65 on December 26, 2012 at 4:43 PM

This is the last time I’m going to reply to one of your comments. From now on I’ll try to ignore you.

I’ve read your comments before the election. You think you can turn into a conservative again, after you’ve spent half a year in Obama’s anus. Your hypocrisy disgusts me.

Gelsomina on December 26, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Is O ready to cliff dive in the interest of keeping his preferred income cut-off as low as possible royally scrooming the middle class, whom he hates?

Wake up AmeriKa. He hates the middle and the poor classes. The cliff is precicesly what he wants.

The charlatanry proceeds apace.

Schadenfreude on December 26, 2012 at 4:56 PM

May Obama, the Congress and Geithner go straight to Hades.

Schadenfreude on December 26, 2012 at 4:57 PM

For those opposed to Plan B, it seems to be playing out the way they had hoped:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/336361/myth-fingerprints-ramesh-ponnuru

GCM on December 26, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Don’t worry, be happy.

Schadenfreude on December 26, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Boehner is the most unprincipled idiot in DC.

Nancy will take the hammer from him, if the fools keep him their speaker.

Schadenfreude on December 26, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Add Obama’s and Reid’s brain power together you still get a D-.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 26, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Obama, Reid, Geithner have all hit our acceptability ceiling.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 26, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Ditto. Let it burn.

Hummer53 on December 26, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Just vote “present” on whatever Dingy sends over and end this.

cdog0613 on December 26, 2012 at 5:11 PM

WE NEED NEW LEADERSHIP.

Tim_CA on December 26, 2012 at 4:37 PM

Redaction.

davidk on December 26, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Barry had to know about the debt ceiling during the election.. It didn’t just happen the day after Xmas… Shocking how this didn’t come up in October. This disgusts me more than anything.

Illinidiva on December 26, 2012 at 5:13 PM

They need to patch the damn AMT, because that is going to fk up a whole bunch of people’s lives.

tom daschle concerned on December 26, 2012 at 5:14 PM

There doesn’t see to be any conservatives capable of making a cogent argument against the complete ineptitude of Obama’s class warfare-based plan and the economic incompetence and utter hypocrisy of the democrats. I’m disappointed. Conservatives lost the election, not logic and common sense.

STL_Vet on December 26, 2012 at 5:16 PM

The only thing that motivates these scumbags to move is if their stock portfolios take a serious hit. Then you’ll see a swarm to “get something done”. Of course, get something done is emotionalism for – let’s screw things up worse. I really don’t care anymore. I’m off to eat something unhealthy so I can drain ObamaCare.

fatlibertarianinokc on December 26, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Update: It’ll be mighty interesting to see what Obama does between now and New Year’s. As I said above, he’ll have a better shot at getting those 30 GOP votes he needs if he ups his offer on the income cut-off. But if we go over the cliff, he might not need to up his offer; there might be enough panicky Republicans to raise taxes on earners above $250,000 after January 1 simply in the interest of ending this clusterfark. Is O ready to cliff dive in the interest of keeping his preferred income cut-off as low as possible?

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The old “Is the glass half full or half empty?” query comes to mind when I read most of what are referred to as “conservative pundits” these days.

Except the “conservative pundits” when commenting on the Republicans’ glass are consistently telling us how the glass is not only empty – but broken into jagged shards which are likely to cut the Republicans resulting in arterial bleeding.

The Democrats’ glass by comparison is filled with party loyalty and political cunning Machiavelli would envy that will lead to further Democratic triumphs over all obstacles.
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It would be impossible to adequately express my contempt for these modern Lord Har-Har’s “conservative pundits”.

Some thoughts for those few who have not bought into the Obama-media propaganda quite yet:

a) The bulk of Democrats are buying into their own propaganda except rather than exercising political cunning – they are starting to over reach.
b) The bulk of Democrats want to go over the cliff – increased revenue taxes and massive defense spending cuts put in place on a bipartisan basis – they have not had an opportunity like this for 20 years … because there hasn’t been a Republican leadership STUPID enough to hand it to them on silver platter.
c) The Obama-media “conservative pundits” are very vocal in their defense of the Speaker of the House who made one of the biggest political missteps in the last 100 years. WHY?
d) AP’s post is short on specifics of the weaknesses of the hand the Democrats are holding – there are a fair number of Democrats drunk on their own propaganda who are likely to push for MOAR!!! rather than less and thereby stymie any “tax break” for people earning more than $ 250k/year and implementation of the greater defense spending cuts than what they can get from going over the cliff.
e) There is, for my money, a factual misstatement in AP’s post. Didn’t Reid negotiate the “fiscal cliff” deal with Boehner AFTER negotiations broke down between Obama and Boehner? Isn’t Reid poised to get what HE wanted?

I could use the rest of the alphabet making a wide variety of points but at this point it is far easier to summarize my view in this fashion …

Let.It.Burn!

PolAgnostic on December 26, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Sorry.. no. The debt ceiling drop was the last straw for me. When the GOP finally takes over, I want the Ds utterly destroyed just for my amusement. Like seriously.. something like SNAP gone on the first day.

Illinidiva on December 26, 2012 at 5:19 PM

On the up-date on the deadline of the debt ceiling, They do this just to get the whole nation in a snit? dingy ding dong has done NOTHING for four years to address this and NOW we need to do something? Isn’t it just dandy that this happens MONDAY, the day before NEW YEARS? It happens everytime and WE have to pass the bill to see what those worms has put in the bill? Just like the sandy bill billions upon billions that has ZERO to do with sandy.

IF I said I hate them all that would be an understatement!
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letget on December 26, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Its our Kwanzaa gift from King Obama.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 26, 2012 at 5:20 PM

The cliff raises taxes and cuts spending. Unpopular cuts but it raises taxes on people who are currently getting a free pass so I say go over the cliff. No other agreement should be accepted unless automatic spending cuts are included. None of this we’ll negotiate cuts at a later date crap.

DaveDief on December 26, 2012 at 5:21 PM

“If left unresolved, the expiring tax provisions and automatic spending cuts, as well as the attendant delays in filing of tax returns, would have the effect of adding some additional time to the duration of the extraordinary measures,” he wrote.

“This was so unexpected,” Geithner added, after Obama pointed to a line on his notes. The press followed up with questions on where Obama attended Christmas services.

STL_Vet on December 26, 2012 at 5:21 PM

dingy ding dong has done NOTHING for four years to address this and NOW we need to do something?

letget on December 26, 2012 at 5:20 PM

And the Republicans let them get away with not passing a budget with multiple spending resolutions.

The Republicans have no one to blame but themselves. Unfortunately, it’s the American people that have to pay the price for their cowardice.

WisRich on December 26, 2012 at 5:24 PM

OT, though part of the same mokeys in the zoo.

Schadenfreude on December 26, 2012 at 5:24 PM

As far as the House goes, Democrats believe if they can get a bill through the Senate, it is likely they can get it through the House with most Democrats voting yes and, Democrats hope, about 30 or so House Republicans crossing party lines…

Sure would be nice if we could evah count on thirty principled or weak sister Dems—depending on point of view, crossing the aisle.
Instead we have to worry about getting boned by the dems, media, and too many squishy “deep thinkers stinkers” on our side.

arnold ziffel on December 26, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Greece is the word.

AshleyTKing on December 26, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Greece is the word.

AshleyTKing on December 26, 2012 at 5:27 PM

lol.

Hilarious.

Tim_CA on December 26, 2012 at 5:29 PM

We hit the debt ceiling in 5 days??

Wouldn’t you just squirt if Boehner’s official response to Timmay was

“In 5 days??? Yeah, well, tell you what, Timmay: if that’s true, and you’re just figuring it out now, resign for gross incompetence, and we’ll hash it out with your successor. If it’s NOT true, resign for gross dishonesty, and we’ll hash it out with your successor. This is BS. Go F yourself, and the ‘president’ you rode in on.”

Dirty Creature on December 26, 2012 at 5:29 PM

I’m in the LIB column, but past history shows that we will probably hear a can bouncing down the road New Year’s Eve.

KCB on December 26, 2012 at 5:30 PM

On second though, if the debt limit increase is made part of Dingy’s final bill, then I’m 100% on board with #LetitBurn over #VotePresent. Absolutely ridiculous.

cdog0613 on December 26, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Is the purpose of governing to simply “ensure” that no one feels pain anymore? There was an election – they have consequences – everyone’s going to feel the pain. Why should the GOP want to mask that over and become complicent in Obama’s economic mythologies?

HondaV65 on December 26, 2012 at 4:43 PM

You have no dog in this hunt, you voted for Obama.

#Own It

JPeterman on December 26, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Boehner would gain a lot of traction by saying no. Harry Reid has done that for over three years. Make him eat it. No deal. Let the consequences play out.

DanMan on December 26, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Dirty Creature on December 26, 2012 at 5:29 PM

+1000

DanMan on December 26, 2012 at 5:35 PM

America’s in Harry Reid’s hands now

God help us all. That senile old fool can’t even pass a budget AS REQUIRED BY LAW.

GarandFan on December 26, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Dirty Creature on December 26, 2012 at 5:29 PM

In re to your response to Geithner, there is a photo at AOL with Geithner looking as if he had eaten a bad taco. The headline says that Geithner has issued a stern warning.

OOOOh!

Go over the cliff. Let it burn.

onlineanalyst on December 26, 2012 at 5:37 PM

WisRich on December 26, 2012 at 5:24 PM

You will note, I held them ALL responsible. I agree the r’s are as spineless as the d’s getting things done! Just kick the can till the US is a nothing nation is what they want? IMO, you can not run a nation like the US the way is being run for years by the dc bunch(all of them), but what do we do? They don’t give a flit what WE want it appears?
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letget on December 26, 2012 at 5:38 PM

I’m lost… why would Boehner’s plan failing to pass the House help Obama in the slightest? I think it would mean Obama will have to cough up a BETTER deal to the House than Boehner did, and it’s Obama’s nuts in the vise instead of Republicans.

HopeHeFails on December 26, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Correct me if I am wrong as I am a flyover country simpleton, but we wouldn’t hit the debt ceiling if we had a budget surplus as part of a plan to pay down the 16 trillion in debt over the next 30-100 years.

Why is the spending so urgent right now?

At least going over the cliff results in everyone paying more and also kicks in significant spending cuts. Gotta start somewhere.

weaselyone on December 26, 2012 at 5:39 PM

b) The bulk of Democrats want to go over the cliff – increased revenue taxes and massive defense spending cuts put in place on a bipartisan basis – they have not had an opportunity like this for 20 years … because there hasn’t been a Republican leadership STUPID enough to hand it to them on silver platter.
c) The Obama-media “conservative pundits” are very vocal in their defense of the Speaker of the House who made one of the biggest political missteps in the last 100 years. WHY?
Let.It.Burn!

PolAgnostic on December 26, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Pretty much says it all.

a capella on December 26, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Which plan results in the smallest annual deficit adjusting for the dynamics involved with any tax increase:

A) Going over the Cliff (taxes go up on everyone, defense sequestration cuts go into effect)
B) Increasing taxes on only those making over 250k/yr
C) Increasing taxes on those over 1mil/yr (Plan B)
D) GOP voting present and giving Obama the spending along with the tax increase on those who make over 250k.

I don’t see any other options, just wondering if there is a number/budget guru that could explain our annual deficit for each of these plans.

weaselyone on December 26, 2012 at 5:43 PM

onlineanalyst on December 26, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Just call BS. 5 days? FIVE DAYS?? After all that, NOW the SecTreas rolls in and says the money runs out in FIVE DAYS???

The GOP House should tell him to go to h*ll. What the F*** do we HAVE a SecTreas for, anyway??

Heck — that alone is a great PR line for the first days over the cliff — “the president’s man told us 5 freaking days ago we were out of money. What the F*** do you want from US???”

Dirty Creature on December 26, 2012 at 5:47 PM

We had many members of the house in the Spring of 2011 talking about holding the reins on the debt limit increase as leverage to budget cuts. Our Texas delegation was front and center on this and they have run from the battle. It is not just Boehner.

In August 2011 Obama did the exact same thing by declaring SS payment witholding if the debt ceiling wasn’t raised enough to get past the election.

Olson, Hensarling, Neugebaur…we are watching you too.

No more!

DanMan on December 26, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Give the American people what they voted for. Walk away. Let it burn.

Rational Thought on December 26, 2012 at 5:49 PM

It`s so cute that they call it a Debt “Ceiling.” :-P

ThePrez on December 26, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Never has a republican majority congress voted to increase tax rates on anyone. Looks like this republican congress may just be the first to turn coat.

paulsur on December 26, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Just because Obama and Reid want to smash Republicans doesn’t mean the credit agencies are going to go along with his non-cutting plans. They won’t.

HopeHeFails on December 26, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Redaction.

davidk on December 26, 2012 at 5:13 PM

lol….better.

Tim_CA on December 26, 2012 at 5:55 PM

And when we go over the cliff the tax rates will revert back to the rates implemented by the Democrats in the 1990′s and that is the big secret they and the LSM willl be trying to hide. Now is the time for the debate. Let the POTUS and Speaker go at … err … hum … forget it. Hey, we’ll least we have legalized pot, free condoms here in WA State. The New America. God have mercy.

Whiterock on December 26, 2012 at 5:57 PM

If we plummet over the Fiscal Cliff, and become mired again in recession, how will we notice?

Another Drew on December 26, 2012 at 5:59 PM

A) Going over the Cliff (taxes go up on everyone, defense sequestration cuts go into effect)
B) Increasing taxes on only those making over 250k/yr
C) Increasing taxes on those over 1mil/yr (Plan B)
D) GOP voting present and giving Obama the spending along with the tax increase on those who make over 250k.

I don’t see any other options, just wondering if there is a number/budget guru that could explain our annual deficit for each of these plans.

weaselyone on December 26, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Send two bills to the Senate/Obama:

1. Extend tax cuts for those under $250k
2. Extend tax cuts for those over $250k

The first will get through the Senate/Obama, the second won’t. Republicans can say they provide tax cuts for the middle class and didn’t vote for a tax increase.

Has the same effect as allowing House Democrats and a few House Republicans passing the Senate bill (or all Republicans voting present), but removes the claim that Republicans held the middle class tax cuts hostage for the millionaires.

GCM on December 26, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Dirty Creature on December 26, 2012 at 5:47 PM

In case I wasn’t clear — Don’t believe him for a second. Really? Not a peep from him all through it, and now, 5 days before his boss’s deadline and the GOP isn’t caving fast enough for him, he greases in and says “oh, by the way, you HAVE to give Zero what he wants because we have 5 days of money left”???

BS. BS! A thousand times: IT’S BS!!! Walk out in disgust, and promise to deal with his successor if he resigns now; but if he stays ’til the end of his term, the deal’s off.

RESIGN, TIMMY! Even Zero should to be ashamed of you.

Dirty Creature on December 26, 2012 at 6:06 PM

This is what America voted for.

JustTruth101 on December 26, 2012 at 6:07 PM

2016 should be a cake walk for the GOP nomination for POTUS./ sarc. What Dem would be dumb enough to want to be in charge when all of these financial time bombs go off. Each new model is coming with shorter fuse.

Whiterock on December 26, 2012 at 6:07 PM

O has a chance at another first !!

To take his inauguration oath while the Fed govt is shutdown!!

Hurray for firsts !!

KenInIL on December 26, 2012 at 6:08 PM

O has a chance at another first !!

To take his inauguration oath while the Fed govt is shutdown!!

Hurray for firsts !!

KenInIL on December 26, 2012 at 6:08 PM

He’ll use it as an excuse for why the attendance is down dramatically.

GCM on December 26, 2012 at 6:11 PM

I still maintain that the Republicans can salvage this whole debacle by insisting on dealing with this through the budget crisis. If they have to, give Obama an short (and a really short) extention on issues he wants, extending unemployment, etc. and then tell him and the Senate that no tickie, no laundry, if they don’t send the House an alternative to their budget, not only will we go off the cliff, but the debt ceiling will not be raised, and then stick to it.

I firmly believe most Americans understand that budgets are necessary and, if they can send out Ryan to explain how the Democrats are totally screwing the country with these debt ceiling increases, who knows the worm could turn.

bflat879 on December 26, 2012 at 6:14 PM

90′s taxes if we go back to the 90′s budget

scruplesrx on December 26, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Think Obama can find 30 Republicans willing to vote “yes” on a bill to make all of that go away?

Allahpundit you and Ed seem to think you have the Democrats all figured out and your proof is that deal not getting done will blamed on Republicans so they will HAVE to deal.

Sorry that logic is just too flawed to me. They get to blame the Republicans and they suddenly get a bill done and through the Senate to help Republicans avoid last minute blame?

Here is what will happen AP. The bill will be a Democrat stinker that can’t get a vote in the House and the Democrats and the Press will say we tried (even though they didn’t) and then place as much blame on Republicans for round 2 after Jan 3 when the need LESS House votes from Republicans and they have the increasing pressure of an angry public whipped into a frenzy by the MSM.

Bottom line a deal now doesn’t get them the best deal and allows Republicans to escape public blame (in their opinion)

Think that kind of win is going to happen? NOT!!

I will be back to remind you when this all happens AP.

Conan on December 26, 2012 at 6:22 PM

My only regret is that Boehner is speaker as he has a habit of cutting deals that assume the Dems are working in good faith when they so clearly have no intention of living up to their side of any deal.

Happy Nomad on December 26, 2012 at 4:42 PM

This is absolutely true, but I disagree with the rest of your comment. Boehner should never have agreed to sequestration, but Plan B was brilliant and those “principled conservatives” who wouldn’t vote for it are jaw-droppingly stupid. Anyone who entertains thoughts that we’ll get a better deal now, or think BO will be blamed if we go over the cliff and the economy tanks so let him own it hasn’t been paying attention to the last 4 years of Obama or to the decades preceding his regime.

Buy Danish on December 26, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Will Boehner try to block the bill or will he let it come to the floor? The vote for the next Speaker happens just a few days later, on January 3; if he allows Democrats to pass a bill with token Republican help that hikes taxes on everyone who makes $250,000 or more, there may be enough conservative opposition to end his Speakership. It’s in his own political interest at this point, then, to go over the cliff, let the tax hikes take effect across the board, and then let the House vote on cutting the “new,” higher tax rates for earners below $250,000. So we’re going over the cliff, I guess.

Umm, no. The same logic holds for the speakership vote. The speaker needs only a simple majority of House members. Boehner can make a deal whereby he delivers enough Republican votes to get the Democrat bill passed, and Pelosi delivers enough Democrat votes to get Boehner elected speaker. Technically, Pelosi could deliver her entire caucus for Boehner, in which case he only needs the 30-40 Republican votes to maintain the speakership.

Does anyone think Pelosi wouldn’t make that deal? Who would she rather see in job? Cantor? Price? This is a no brainer.

Mr. Arkadin on December 26, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Vote present let the Democrats own it all.

ButterflyDragon on December 26, 2012 at 4:50 PM
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scruplesrx on December 26, 2012 at 6:26 PM

bflat879 on December 26, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Not a chance. The Republicans couldn’t sell water to a man stranded in the desert. The “gimme my free stuff” voters want their handout no matter what. The low information voters deserve what they get. The aiding and abetting lickspittle press are shoulder to the wheel for Obama and the Dems just want more of the DC cash grab. They will continue to clamor for more no matter what the debt is.

Let. It. Burn.

ghostwalker1 on December 26, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Vote present let the Democrats own it all.

ButterflyDragon on December 26, 2012 at 4:50 PM

The Democrats own Obamacare on only Democrats votes and they were punished how in 2012?

I think we have to look at 2 Americas One that pays attention and votes in the midterms and one that can follow a cult leader and votes in Presidential elections.

Conan on December 26, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Conan on December 26, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Reality is going to be a bitch if the house will let occur. Those folks will learn one way or another once fiscal gravity takes over.

DanMan on December 26, 2012 at 6:37 PM

The Democrats own Obamacare on only Democrats votes and they were punished how in 2012?

I think we have to look at 2 Americas One that pays attention and votes in the midterms and one that can follow a cult leader and votes in Presidential elections.

Conan on December 26, 2012 at 6:34 PM

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The ObamaCARE PAIN has not been felt YET. Once it has the DEMS will understand how they OWN it.

scruplesrx on December 26, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Voting present will allow us to hit bottom quicker and cleaner.
If not hitting bottom will take much longer and with confusion as to how we got there.

scruplesrx on December 26, 2012 at 6:39 PM

America’s in Harry Reid’s hands now:
If that doesn’t send shutters down your spine I don’t know what will.

Hey Obama – why don’t you give this leader of the free world thing a try. You know actually do the job the moochers elected you to do.

gophergirl on December 26, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Which is why we needed a solid Senate candidate in Nevada in 2010, but the Tea Party gave us Sharron Angle, and Las Vegas gave us Harry Reid, playing craps with the taxpayers’ money.

Steve Z on December 26, 2012 at 6:40 PM

Got Dan Simmons book FLASHBACK from Santa.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-07-31/entertainment/35267792_1_flashback-mexican-army-japanese-power-broker

In the book they call the End of the World as We Know It “The Day It All Hit The Fan”.

Forewarned is forearmed.

If TDIAHTF is Monday, fine by me.

L.I.B.

Bruno Strozek on December 26, 2012 at 6:44 PM

fiscal cliff? what fiscal cliff. i have a fridge full of ice cold Coronas.

que viva la revolucion!!!!!!

renalin on December 26, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Its our Kwanzaa gift from King Obama.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 26, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Kwanzaa is all about celebrating “blackness”. We’re all seeing red here in the balance sheets.

Rambotito on December 26, 2012 at 6:52 PM

America’s in Harry Reid’s hands now.

I hope that Harry washed those hands. There is no telling where they have been.

onlineanalyst on December 26, 2012 at 6:54 PM

If we plummet over the Fiscal Cliff, and become mired again in recession, how will we notice?

Another Drew on December 26, 2012 at 5:59 PM

I dunno. The government and the press have been lying about a fictitious “recovery” for three years now…

dogsoldier on December 26, 2012 at 7:04 PM

GOP should vote present. LIB

dogsoldier on December 26, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Hey, throw the debt ceiling in there, and I’m almost gleefully in favor of going over the cliff. Why? Because it’s a quick way to enforce a balanced budget. You know, the way the debt ceiling was supposed to work in the first place, rather than as a political football.

Mohonri on December 26, 2012 at 7:08 PM

My response to the fiscal cliff:

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Daemonocracy on December 26, 2012 at 7:09 PM

Think Obama can find 30 Republicans willing to vote “yes”

Since Allen West lost, that’s one less.

Mr. Arrogant on December 26, 2012 at 7:13 PM

I hope that Harry washed those hands. There is no telling where they have been.

onlineanalyst on December 26, 2012 at 6:54 PM

On the floor in front of Bark.

Bishop on December 26, 2012 at 7:31 PM

I got a free Iphone in the mail today so obviously things are just fine in the economy.

Bishop on December 26, 2012 at 7:33 PM

We all know what’s going to happen. The Boehner and the GOP will cave, give the libs everything they want, and then wonder why the media is still saying it’s the Republican’s fault. It wouldn’t surprise me if President Choom went back and stole Boehner’s lunch money.

RoadRunner on December 26, 2012 at 7:52 PM

U.S. to hit debt ceiling on Monday, says Geithner

Good! If we are going over the cliff, let’s do it in full measure.

Happy Nomad on December 26, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Pass whatever Obama wants and let him and the Democrats own the double-dip recession.

Meanwhile, over 98% of workers will avoid a tax hike.

kick the can down the road until the US debt implodes the country. We just have to hope that it’s not during our generation.

muckdog on December 26, 2012 at 8:32 PM

kick the can down the road until the US debt implodes the country. We just have to hope that it’s not during our generation.

muckdog on December 26, 2012 at 8:32 PM


Unless your generation is “those over 85 years old and whose health is failing” …

… it WILL be during your generation.

PolAgnostic on December 26, 2012 at 8:37 PM

If the GOP gives up on the debt ceiling without any spending cuts, there will never be any spending cuts. If Reid puts that in the bill, the Senate GOP should filibuster it.

Boehner could wait until after the 1st and put Obama’s 400k cutoff up for a vote and see how many Dems vote against it. Then put up a permanent AMT and Medicare fix and see how many dems vote against it. If the Dems kill it while most GOP are for it, put the blame where it belongs.

KW64 on December 26, 2012 at 8:43 PM

…p r e s e n t…!!!
…pinheads!

KOOLAID2 on December 26, 2012 at 9:10 PM

I don’t understand why any politician in Washington DC would ever worry about their jobs. The next election is 22 months from now. A Republican can do anything EXCEPT vote FOR a tax increase and they can paper it over with smart advertising. I mean this country re-elected Obama. Facts do not matter in the least for about 60% of the electorate. That’s the 51.5% that voted for Obama and the 8% that stayed home rather than voting for the Mormon.

Metanis on December 27, 2012 at 12:39 AM

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