CNN: Reid hunting for Senate (and House) votes for Obama’s fiscal cliff bill; Update: U.S. to hit debt ceiling on Monday, says Geithner

posted at 4:30 pm on December 26, 2012 by Allahpundit

If you’re wondering what the House’s Plan C might be, stop wondering. According to Boehner’s conference call this afternoon, America’s in Harry Reid’s hands now:

Reid’s plan, according to a “senior Democratic source,” is to do what Obama wants, of course:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, in conjunction with the White House, is working to see if the scaled back fiscal cliff package President Barack Obama laid out last week can get through Congress before December 31st.

Reid has made clear in private conversations he does not want to bring any bill to the Senate floor unless he is sure it will pass both the Democratic-led Senate and the Republican-held House…

As far as the House goes, Democrats believe if they can get a bill through the Senate, it is likely they can get it through the House with most Democrats voting yes and, Democrats hope, about 30 or so House Republicans crossing party lines

The scaled back measure being developed by Democrats would first and foremost keep tax rates at current levels on incomes under $250,000 and let taxes go up on income above that threshold.

The point of the Plan B kabuki was to force Obama to up his offer on the income cut-off for new taxes by showing that Boehner could hold his caucus together. If he could get 218 Republican votes for a bill extending the Bush tax cuts for everyone who earns less than $1 million per year, he’d prove to the White House that he could get a critical mass of GOPers to agree to de facto tax hikes on the rich — so long as the income cut-off was set relatively high.

When Plan B failed, so did his leverage on that point. Now the White House knows that the final bill, if it passes before December 31, will only pass with Democratic votes, which means it’ll have to be more liberal than Plan B. Bailing on Boehner thus means more small businesses will feel the crunch next year unless centrist Republicans stick with the rest of the caucus right now and refuse to pass Obama’s plan if he doesn’t raise the income cut-off from $250,000. Somewhere between that number and $1 million lies the number that’s going to get a deal done. Obama already proposed making the cut-off $400,000, so presumably he’ll end up back at that number (or higher) unless there’s a complete breakdown in Republican discipline and Obama/Reid/Pelosi somehow manage to peel off 30 GOP votes for the $250,000 mark. Anyone feel confident that that won’t happen with the December 31 deadline bearing down? Bear these new numbers from Gallup in mind when making your prediction:

Per CNN, Democrats figure — wisely — that their best chance to get O’s plan through the House is to time it so that the bill ends up there on December 30 or 31, when political pressure on the GOP will be at its zenith. Which makes me wonder: Will Boehner try to block the bill or will he let it come to the floor? The vote for the next Speaker happens just a few days later, on January 3; if he allows Democrats to pass a bill with token Republican help that hikes taxes on everyone who makes $250,000 or more, there may be enough conservative opposition to end his Speakership. It’s in his own political interest at this point, then, to go over the cliff, let the tax hikes take effect across the board, and then let the House vote on cutting the “new,” higher tax rates for earners below $250,000. So we’re going over the cliff, I guess.

Update: It’ll be mighty interesting to see what Obama does between now and New Year’s. As I said above, he’ll have a better shot at getting those 30 GOP votes he needs if he ups his offer on the income cut-off. But if we go over the cliff, he might not need to up his offer; there might be enough panicky Republicans to raise taxes on earners above $250,000 after January 1 simply in the interest of ending this clusterfark. Is O ready to cliff dive in the interest of keeping his preferred income cut-off as low as possible?

Update: The fiscal cliff standoff isn’t just about tax hikes, although it often feels that way. It’s also about raising the debt ceiling. Obama wants it raised for a year or more so that he doesn’t have to deal with Republicans trying to extract new spending cuts from him next year; conservatives don’t want it raised at all until O proves he’s serious about deficit reduction.

Coincidentally, here’s Obama’s Treasury secretary informing the country at a moment of intense pressure on the GOP that we’re about to hit the debt ceiling. Again.

As a result, the Treasury Department will soon start using what it calls “extraordinary measures” to prevent government borrowing from exceeding the legal limit, Geithner wrote…

But it’s unclear how much time the extraordinary measures can buy now because there are so many unanswered questions about tax and spending policies, Geithner said, referring to the lack of any resolution of the fiscal cliff.

“If left unresolved, the expiring tax provisions and automatic spending cuts, as well as the attendant delays in filing of tax returns, would have the effect of adding some additional time to the duration of the extraordinary measures,” he wrote.

Think Obama can find 30 Republicans willing to vote “yes” on a bill to make all of that go away?


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John the Libertarian on May 24, 2013 at 2:33 AM

lolz..Good deal!..Let’s pass it on to our children and we will have completed the circle..:)

Dire Straits on May 24, 2013 at 2:45 AM

canopfor on May 24, 2013 at 2:41 AM

Thanks for the link friend..:)

Dire Straits on May 24, 2013 at 2:47 AM

Dire Straits on May 24, 2013 at 2:45 AM

Goodnight, Dire!

John the Libertarian on May 24, 2013 at 2:49 AM

Holy BOINK:

Moscow Shaker:

Carry On,…….Night once again Patriots:)

Update: Tremors were felt in central Moscow, prompting some people to evacuate from buildings – @AP

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canopfor on May 24, 2013 at 2:50 AM

John the Libertarian on May 24, 2013 at 2:49 AM

It has been my honor..Good night..:)

Dire Straits on May 24, 2013 at 3:06 AM

Bureaucrats NEVER unilaterally undertake illegal, politically explosive operations.

The day before the IRS started attacking Americans in a bid to deny them their 1st amendment rights, Obama met at the WH with the rabidly anti-Tea Party president of the National Treasury Employees Union, Colleen Kelley. Kelley’s Union has inordinate influence within the IRS. Their meeting was not coincidental. They did not meet to exchange recipes…

The organization True the Vote was attacked by the IRS, FBI, ATF and OSHA. That degree of coordination comes from the WH. True the Vote is a Texas based organization seeking non-profit status. It’s focus is voter verification. It’s founder worked at voting stations and was appalled at the amount of voter fraud she witnessed in 2009.

True the Vote was targeted because it threatened to derail attainment of the left’s goal; Texas’ electoral college votes moving into the democrat column would guarantee effective one-party rule in America. This bid to deny American’s their 1st amendment rights came straight from Obama. Only ideological apologists and the willfully obtuse can deny it. Obama’s handprints are all over the greatest political scandal in American history.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on May 24, 2013 at 4:27 AM

MUST-SEE VIDEO AT BREITBART:

Wow… Just. Effin’. Wow.

<a href="http://“>Senator Obama calls for the Attorney General to step down

PointnClick on May 24, 2013 at 5:28 AM

good morning HA crew!

hope all is well for our HA family in seattle, wow just heard about the bridge collapse on I5….

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:34 AM

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:34 AM

Happy Friday, fave morning person!

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:36 AM

Obama’s previously unreported speech:

Good evening fellow travelers. Allah be with you all. Jihad is working, my Muslim brothers and sisters. We need a little more time. We have three and a half years. The national debt of the Great Satan is growing. By the end of my term America will be on her knees. We are counterfeiting American currency as fast as we can. Future generations of the Infidel will be weak and broken. Allah Akbar. Death to America. I am doing my best with Marxism. There is resistance. Well, there is no resistance from the Democrats–not surprising. We are dumbing down the children of the Infidel as fast as we can. We have full control of the public schools. We have the media. We have Hollywood. We have the unions. We are in control. America will be dead in ten years. Allah is smiling on us.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on May 24, 2013 at 6:38 AM

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:36 AM

aw shucks

morning Liam :)

so do we have a pool going for what the 5pm friday afternon news dump is going to be? its a holiday weekend so who knows what they’ll drop

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:38 AM

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on May 24, 2013 at 6:38 AM

+1

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:40 AM

morning Liam :)

so do we have a pool going for what the 5pm friday afternon news dump is going to be? its a holiday weekend so who knows what they’ll drop

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:38 AM

Whatever it is, it’s going to suck. Liberals can’t be any other way.

Hey — Did you see the Weiner thread? If you want a long laugh, the puns were flying! I bookmarked it.

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:42 AM

when dear leader makes eric holder investigate eric holder something is seriously wrong….will the lsm actually question this or just let it go with dear leader is showing leadership, he’s awesome!

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:43 AM

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:42 AM

i did….as Ed said Drudge won the day for internet headlines…

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:45 AM

he’s awesome!

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:43 AM

Much the same way as a pothead saying, “I took an awesome sh*t this morning!”

Sorry that I’m not impressed.

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:47 AM

nyt praising dear leader’s terrorism speech…it was awesome, one of his best and the mj crew agrees natch

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:47 AM

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:47 AM

yup

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:49 AM

i did….as Ed said Drudge won the day for internet headlines…

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:45 AM

Our fellows, with all their puns, had me in stitches for more than an hour. I’m a fiend for puns, and they had me laughing so hard I could barely type.

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:49 AM

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:49 AM

:) HA rocks!!

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:53 AM

:) HA rocks!!

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:53 AM

To be sure!

Except for the trolls.

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:57 AM

Happy Friday, y’all!

I don’t look to a man to get pride in myself. It’s not about having a black president, it’s about having a good president, and I think that’s the most important thing.

Lt. Col. Allen West

Obama Runs the Ol’ Bait ‘n Switch “Oh, Look…Squirrel!” My take.

kingsjester on May 24, 2013 at 6:58 AM

kingsjester on May 24, 2013 at 6:58 AM

great take KJ :)

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:01 AM

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:53 AM

Now that it’s Friday, how about you kidnap hubby again? He’ll never expect it!

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 7:02 AM

mj crew following the squirrel this am KJ..only wants to talk about his speech…most important speech evah!!

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:02 AM

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:53 AM

Now that it’s Friday, how about you kidnap hubby again. He’ll never expect it!

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 7:03 AM

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 7:02 AM

can’t this weekend…family stuff going on

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:04 AM

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:04 AM

Too bad Caesar’s Resorts no longer exist.

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 7:07 AM

so do we have a pool going for what the 5pm friday afternon news dump is going to be? its a holiday weekend so who knows what they’ll drop

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:38 AM

Lois Lerner, the lying Christian-hating whore, got put on paid administrative leave yesterday so it isn’t that. Nevertheless, my money is on some nagging little detail about the IRS using their authority to smite the enemies of the rat-eared coward.

Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 7:08 AM

joe is giddy, ‘this president has changed the structure on the war on terror’

oh yeah kj, they definitely have their squirrel…

Allah, it was a distraction that lasted more than 7 hours my friend….

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:08 AM

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 7:07 AM

:)

Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 7:08 AM

good one…

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:10 AM

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:01 AM

Thank you, ma’am!

kingsjester on May 24, 2013 at 7:10 AM

well that was quick…all the hemming and hawing over dear leader’s actions has turned back to a lovefest for him by the lsm…

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:28 AM

This is garbage. The Journolisters are defending The Magnificent One. Of Course the Chief Executive is responsible. Suddenly IRS, Justice and WH are losing memory.

Is someone telling me that when Bengazhi was happening, Presedent wasn’t aware. Heck… State was watching it Live.

Keep drilling.

Bengazhi is the biggest Scandal.

antisocial on May 24, 2013 at 7:30 AM

antisocial on May 24, 2013 at 7:30 AM

i guess that little meeting at the wh with the lib press worked…

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:41 AM

Lois Lerner, the lying Christian-hating whore, got put on paid administrative leave yesterday so it isn’t that. Nevertheless, my money is on some nagging little detail about the IRS using their authority to smite the enemies of the rat-eared coward.

Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 7:08 AM

You know its really bad news when the Friday News Dump starts on a Thursday or Wednesday… it’s been doing that for three weeks now.

And for the Special Prosecutor deal… well there is a true oversight function by Congress and it is a two-part affair. First is to find out what is going on in agencies and departments. You have to get to the bottom of things and find out what the problem is.

Part two is changing laws and budgets, with the former being the fastest and most effective as you can start axing entire sections of agencies and departments by not funding them and cutting personnel right out of the budget. If the R’s were smart and went back to the right way to budget, that is by agency or department, then this would be a precise tool to cut out rot and cancer in the government. Instead the multi-agency slush fund approach means that agencies can shift resources between themselves in the slush fund to make up for mandated losses in cash. The personnel part, however, hits no matter what. Congress can start out by saying that for every ‘I don’t know’ or ‘I can’t recall’ or ‘I only became aware of it last week’ they can cut 1% of the budget and personnel from an agency and for every 5th taken that is a 5% reduction: these people are supposed to answer questions to Congress about how they are carrying out the laws MADE by Congress. If the culture is one of deception, then the funding should start to dry up and hard.

Since the House starts the budget and has the purse strings, then that is where it must start and even with the Reidless non-budget agencies and departments look to the House for how they are to use funds. The problem now is Boehner and the House leadership being unwilling to do the hard work of by agency and department funding… which he promised to do leading into 2010 and then dropped the ball on the moment there was a Republican majority. If you want specific powers and functions cut off the place to start is the House and there the Democratic and Republican leadership are unwilling to do that. Once Upon A Time the US Congress used to be jealous of the power it held and keep everyone on a tight leash in the government. This is what happens when they get lazy and try to get the Executive to do their jobs for them.

These Congresscritters VOLUNTEER for their jobs and now seek to excuse not doing it via the abuse of power they have delegated improperly. Even to the dim bulbs lacking enough wattage to even get a glow in their heads, this needs to be stated directly to them: you wanted this job now DO IT AS YOU SAID YOU WOULD DO or QUIT and let the people find someone who is CAPABLE OF DOING IT.

ajacksonian on May 24, 2013 at 7:41 AM

ajacksonian on May 24, 2013 at 7:41 AM

well said aj

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:47 AM

The Republicans We at the heart of low information journalism, The New York Times, are not so much looking for “the truth” as they are looking for a resonant story line

The dumbest coming out of our journalism schools do like to project, don’t they?

MNHawk on May 24, 2013 at 8:21 AM

Interesting post. I found it through a link at Physics Geek’s website:

http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/05/18/is-the-irs-scandal-the-worst-political-scandal-in-american-history-i-say-yes/

The absolute worst scandal that’s emerged lately, and the worst administration scandal in American history is the IRS scandal. Why? Because you, the People, became the targets of a comprehensive federal government effort to stifle dissent, one made using the government’s overwhelming and disproportionate policing and taxing powers.

Fallon on May 24, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Whenever you change the founding principles of an organization you announce it’s doom!

RedLizard64 on May 24, 2013 at 10:44 AM

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