CNN: Reid hunting for Senate (and House) votes for Obama’s fiscal cliff bill; Update: U.S. to hit debt ceiling on Monday, says Geithner
posted at 4:30 pm on December 26, 2012 by Allahpundit
If you’re wondering what the House’s Plan C might be, stop wondering. According to Boehner’s conference call this afternoon, America’s in Harry Reid’s hands now:
House GOP ldrshp says its waiting on the Senate on #fiscalcliff . Says Senate must move 1st since House has previously approved bills.
— Chad Pergram (@ChadPergram) December 26, 2012
House GOP ldrshp : The House will take this action on whatever the Senate can pass, but the Senate first must act.#fiscalcliff
— Chad Pergram (@ChadPergram) December 26, 2012
Reid’s plan, according to a “senior Democratic source,” is to do what Obama wants, of course:
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, in conjunction with the White House, is working to see if the scaled back fiscal cliff package President Barack Obama laid out last week can get through Congress before December 31st.
Reid has made clear in private conversations he does not want to bring any bill to the Senate floor unless he is sure it will pass both the Democratic-led Senate and the Republican-held House…
As far as the House goes, Democrats believe if they can get a bill through the Senate, it is likely they can get it through the House with most Democrats voting yes and, Democrats hope, about 30 or so House Republicans crossing party lines…
The scaled back measure being developed by Democrats would first and foremost keep tax rates at current levels on incomes under $250,000 and let taxes go up on income above that threshold.
The point of the Plan B kabuki was to force Obama to up his offer on the income cut-off for new taxes by showing that Boehner could hold his caucus together. If he could get 218 Republican votes for a bill extending the Bush tax cuts for everyone who earns less than $1 million per year, he’d prove to the White House that he could get a critical mass of GOPers to agree to de facto tax hikes on the rich — so long as the income cut-off was set relatively high.
When Plan B failed, so did his leverage on that point. Now the White House knows that the final bill, if it passes before December 31, will only pass with Democratic votes, which means it’ll have to be more liberal than Plan B. Bailing on Boehner thus means more small businesses will feel the crunch next year unless centrist Republicans stick with the rest of the caucus right now and refuse to pass Obama’s plan if he doesn’t raise the income cut-off from $250,000. Somewhere between that number and $1 million lies the number that’s going to get a deal done. Obama already proposed making the cut-off $400,000, so presumably he’ll end up back at that number (or higher) unless there’s a complete breakdown in Republican discipline and Obama/Reid/Pelosi somehow manage to peel off 30 GOP votes for the $250,000 mark. Anyone feel confident that that won’t happen with the December 31 deadline bearing down? Bear these new numbers from Gallup in mind when making your prediction:

Per CNN, Democrats figure — wisely — that their best chance to get O’s plan through the House is to time it so that the bill ends up there on December 30 or 31, when political pressure on the GOP will be at its zenith. Which makes me wonder: Will Boehner try to block the bill or will he let it come to the floor? The vote for the next Speaker happens just a few days later, on January 3; if he allows Democrats to pass a bill with token Republican help that hikes taxes on everyone who makes $250,000 or more, there may be enough conservative opposition to end his Speakership. It’s in his own political interest at this point, then, to go over the cliff, let the tax hikes take effect across the board, and then let the House vote on cutting the “new,” higher tax rates for earners below $250,000. So we’re going over the cliff, I guess.
Update: It’ll be mighty interesting to see what Obama does between now and New Year’s. As I said above, he’ll have a better shot at getting those 30 GOP votes he needs if he ups his offer on the income cut-off. But if we go over the cliff, he might not need to up his offer; there might be enough panicky Republicans to raise taxes on earners above $250,000 after January 1 simply in the interest of ending this clusterfark. Is O ready to cliff dive in the interest of keeping his preferred income cut-off as low as possible?
Update: The fiscal cliff standoff isn’t just about tax hikes, although it often feels that way. It’s also about raising the debt ceiling. Obama wants it raised for a year or more so that he doesn’t have to deal with Republicans trying to extract new spending cuts from him next year; conservatives don’t want it raised at all until O proves he’s serious about deficit reduction.
Coincidentally, here’s Obama’s Treasury secretary informing the country at a moment of intense pressure on the GOP that we’re about to hit the debt ceiling. Again.
As a result, the Treasury Department will soon start using what it calls “extraordinary measures” to prevent government borrowing from exceeding the legal limit, Geithner wrote…
But it’s unclear how much time the extraordinary measures can buy now because there are so many unanswered questions about tax and spending policies, Geithner said, referring to the lack of any resolution of the fiscal cliff.
“If left unresolved, the expiring tax provisions and automatic spending cuts, as well as the attendant delays in filing of tax returns, would have the effect of adding some additional time to the duration of the extraordinary measures,” he wrote.
Think Obama can find 30 Republicans willing to vote “yes” on a bill to make all of that go away?
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KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:27 AM
You got flattery down, Romeo. lol
Nice..taking the pups out?
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 1:29 AM
Match Box 20-blast from the past.
Reminds me of college.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 1:32 AM
I don’t do drugs, I am drugs.
–Dali :)
. . .
meh, ok, score. :)
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 1:32 AM
Love…a game??
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:32 AM
I like how you roll….Sue me!
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:34 AM
That was grrreat! By the way – someone further up the thread called Ken “stupid”….I need to straighten this out:
Ken is NOT stupid!
williamg on May 19, 2013 at 1:35 AM
NO! I JUST DON’T WANT ANYONE SITTING ON HER!
O wait, those weren’t related.
My bad.
Carry on.
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 1:35 AM
Who said Ken was stupid?
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 1:37 AM
Didn’t catch that. Thanks for the correction. Troll?
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:38 AM
I like how you roll….Sue me!
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:34 AM
I like how you roll too.
You seem like a good man.
Who called you stupid?
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 1:38 AM
Here and now
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:39 AM
They are kind of “cracker-jacky” – but muuuuch, muuuch better
Popcorny, peanuty…..with a lot more “buttery” in the glazing plus………something Else!
Sweet and Substantial!
williamg on May 19, 2013 at 1:39 AM
Dunno? Figured I could scroll back and find out or spend time with you. Who is stupid? ;-)
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:41 AM
Screaming Trees – All I Know
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 1:42 AM
lol
– jiggles ear.
I just heard that a minute ago. Weird.
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 1:43 AM
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:41 AM
hahahahaha..not u! (:
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 1:45 AM
B9??
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:46 AM
there you are!
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:47 AM
Speaking of Hussein’s corrupt tax cheating financiers not paying their fair share ,
(Via Drudge, in RED)
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/National/article1261720.ece
burrata on May 19, 2013 at 1:49 AM
Whitesnake – Judgement Day
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 1:50 AM
No – wimped out….worked
williamg on May 19, 2013 at 1:52 AM
No – wimped out….worked
williamg on May 19, 2013 at 1:52 AM
:(
Next time!
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 1:52 AM
Drops of Jupiter
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:53 AM
….you know what? i can’t find it, now………
I thought I scanned by it earlier…….but I may have dreamed it………
……or maybe there IS such a thing as “flashbacks”………
……sorry……….
williamg on May 19, 2013 at 1:55 AM
Whitesnake – Judgement Day
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 1:50 AM
Perfect..
Fits for me right now.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 1:56 AM
Shimmer
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:57 AM
Staying up for Ken..maybe for axe and Will too.
Dang..everyone bailed out early.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 1:58 AM
One of my guilty pleasures to like this song so much…….pop with heart!
williamg on May 19, 2013 at 1:59 AM
Sure did. I have staying power…
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:59 AM
That’s not what I meant. :)
Here’s the first time I ever read “I’d go and do that, but I want to be with you” –
And I meant it. :)
Here’s the second:
lol — And I Romeo meant it too. :)
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 1:59 AM
It is a quality jam!
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 2:00 AM
*And I bet Romeo . . .
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 2:00 AM
Meanwhile, a man who did more to get Bin Laden than Obama sits in prison… thanks to Obama.
profitsbeard on May 19, 2013 at 2:02 AM
Hair band
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 2:02 AM
you’re so sweet!……..
ALL the dudes Love you – they think you’re the COOLEST!…..and they’re RIGHT!
williamg on May 19, 2013 at 2:03 AM
Everyone loves B9. How can I stand out?
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 2:05 AM
I don’t know, man …….maybe the answer is in the video somewhere…….
williamg on May 19, 2013 at 2:07 AM
Reel men eat doritoes.
SparkPlug on May 19, 2013 at 2:09 AM
Callin it a night. Gonna hitch a ride home.
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 2:10 AM
Reel men like fishing and filming.
SparkPlug on May 19, 2013 at 2:10 AM
lol!
No..not everyone loves B9.
But those with good taste do. ;)
Blush*
So sweet..thank you sincerely-guys.
Your pretty cool yourselves.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 2:10 AM
*crrr-unch!*
williamg on May 19, 2013 at 2:10 AM
– I’m out. I may be awhile. I may be ready to finish up my nuclear poof. I’ve never nuclear poofed without actually nuclear poofing, but something happened, and I lost my balance. I’ve got it back. I dunno how. I dunno how I lost it. I just work here, man. Anyway, this may be awhile.
– Note that I will be missing witchy-woman. She’s trying to change the world, you know. Mostly, she comes here to work. Anyone notices this, please try to help — I won’t be around to cross link. Probably. For awhile.
Well maybe Axe enjoyed you around. :)
Night guys. :)
(Night Sophie.)
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 2:10 AM
Okay, I am out too.
xoxo to y’all.
Have a blessed Sunday.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 2:11 AM
Bye sugar muffins. Lets have waffles for breakfast. I’ll bring the agave.
SparkPlug on May 19, 2013 at 2:15 AM
Tell Twerp I went fly fishing but didn’t catch any flies.
SparkPlug on May 19, 2013 at 2:15 AM
I blame those who take their bait more than I blame the attention-seeking trolls for the pollution created here – the trolls can only accomplish what they are enabled to…
Listen to Scrumpdillyicious: do narcissistic, amoral leftist scum like HAL and D(Bag)Bear ever listen, ever think, ever say anything interesting, or ever respectfully disagree?
Does anyone deny that such abusive retards are only as intelligent/wise & observant as wildebeesties #1 & #3 here? http://i.minus.com/ithiNL6EF0Y8R.gif
Why continue to circularly bicker with them? Don’t try saying that doing so makes HA a more enjoyable place to be!
Anti-Control on May 19, 2013 at 3:23 AM
Alright, who left the dang door open, there’s gonna be trolls all over this place today, Sparkplug if your the one who did it, there’s gonna be trouble……………..;-)
angrymike on May 19, 2013 at 5:10 AM
Oh, and I haven’t seen Jackie in a while, if anyone sees this tell her I said howdy, and really miss her wit…………..;-)
angrymike on May 19, 2013 at 5:16 AM
Probably good advice, but sometimes difficult to follow. It’s their cowardice which galls, safely anonymous, they will spew things that they never would if face to face at a park, in a bar, at a family function.. because hate filled stupid has consequences in real life.. but not on the web..
I’ll bite though, and personally pledge to try harder, much harder to just ignore them..
Tough though.. I’m a counter puncher by nature.
mark81150 on May 19, 2013 at 5:31 AM
My response at the Post:
Well written synopsis on Mr. Balz’ part with one glaring exception/assumption on his part—”That Obama knew nothing about it”. Unless Mr. Balz is a mind-reader, this is a bold statement not supported by any facts, and based on the obvious denials from the administration. Hard to believe (in totality) that even when Democratic leaders were calling for IRS investigations into conservative organizations, that Obama “knew nothing”. In fact, with all the controversial (and possible illegal actions in several departments), it’s utterly amazing how many of them, (department heads) claim to know absolutely NOTHING about what’s going on right under their noses. If President Obama has chosen to “look the other way” to insure plausible deniability, Mr. Balz could have phrased the statement “That Mr. Obama claims to know nothing”, which would be factually correct. Big difference than what Mr. Balz has assumed to be a fact.
Rovin on May 19, 2013 at 6:13 AM
I am of the position that this kind of exercise is truly only as difficult as a person thinks it is. I will also throw out, “practice makes perfect.”
I understand what you are saying, and I hope you know that I am not personally attacking people like you – I’m just constructively reminding you how utterly stupid and childish the leftards on the other ends of these conversations are, and how non-seriously their baiting insults should be taken. :)
Oblivious morons like HAL are the equivalent of attention-starved drug addicts who are abusively in denial, and indulging their asininity wastes the time of all involved parties. Circular, pointless bickering with them only ends up getting ourselves dirty when there is no good reason for us to allow that to happen.
Since you are a counterpuncher who might appreciate this, to grasp my idea of what to and what not to do counterpunching-wise with ever-sucking blackholish trolls like HAL, look at fellow counterpuncher Floyd Mayweather Jr.’s fight vs Cotto and compare it stylistically to his more recent fight with Guerrero. Against Cotto, he failed to properly utilize his superior defensive talent/advantage, and ended up getting tagged far too much. As a smart boxer, he realized this mistake before he fought Guerrero, and masterfully corrected the error.
Anti-Control on May 19, 2013 at 6:29 AM
And who do you think those shareholders are? If you say “rich evil conservatives”, you be wrong. A very large number of PENSIONS are invested in the oil industry because its a good stable, long-term investment… perfect for pension funds. But what I want to know is why you hate retired teachers, firefighters and police? Why should government bureaucrats get that “fair share” tax money instead of retirees who worked hard all their lives serving others? Why do you worship government, and hate hard workers?
Also, oil companies pay far higher percentages in taxes than other companies. If you want fair, then what you want is a flat tax system where everyone pays the same percent. But I suspect what you really want is more tax UN-fairness.
dominigan on May 19, 2013 at 7:19 AM
It’s the machine behind Obama that’s well oiled and clever not Obama. He is not an elite politician but a bumbling puppet. He is not clever without his prompter so who do you credit now, him or the people that program the prompter? Articles like this are an insult to the intelligence of most people praising the narcissist who credits himself with intelligence and is deaf to anyone not in agreement with him.
mixplix on May 19, 2013 at 8:23 AM
Ryun was on Fox this morning – said he got hits from the IP address for EOP dot gov….the Executive Office of the President.
Buy Danish on May 19, 2013 at 8:28 AM
Okay, which of y’all took page 5?
Put it back!
cozmo on May 19, 2013 at 8:39 AM
Good Sunday Mornin, u’all! let’s take a look at Obama’s History, shall we? “The Great Disconnect: The Whole, Ugly Truth About Barack Hussein Obama” My take.
kingsjester on May 19, 2013 at 8:42 AM
Anti-Control on May 19, 2013 at 6:29 AM
I hate Star Trek, so came back here.
Wise Mr. AC. Nice boxing illustration.
HAL is one troll that I find easy to ignore.
Why? His motives are obvious..just hate filled
bombs he throws and watches the reactions in delight. I want to derive him of any pleasure he
may receive.
Pulling a rogerb- using his own words against him and a mock or a few is enough. Then I flush him.
He craves a fight and attention, simply for his own satisfaction and he usually gets it.
Just picture him behind his keyboard laughing…
that should help.
He has been on a frenzy for weeks…
Hmmm..timing..right when we had scandal after scandal breaking. Desperate.
He usually gets the thread derailed and he moves away from the topic. He also-if anyone has missed it..likes to post to posters here about their mom’s giving blow jobs and your trailer trash daughters doing the same.
Dudes a perv. He knows that will rile you up more then anything. But..many bite.
KA2 just mocks him-then casts him aside.
His sole purpose of being here is to inflame. Nothing more.
My 2 cents.
The best way to manage him? contain him.
Dude’s a lying, perv, pyscho- Time to quit feeding him. Wanna pi$$ him off? Ignore him.
He ain’t worth a shite or the time used on back and forths with him. Time is better spent with HAL blocker. Trust me. :)
Carry on.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 10:16 AM
?
The original, animated series, The next generation, Deep space Nine, Voyager, Enterprise, The movies, 7/9, all of them?
C’mon, really?
cozmo on May 19, 2013 at 10:28 AM
– I’m out. I may be awhile. I may be ready to finish up my nuclear poof. I’ve never nuclear poofed without actually nuclear poofing, but something happened, and I lost my balance. I’ve got it back. I dunno how. I dunno how I lost it. I just work here, man. Anyway, this may be awhile.
– Note that I will be missing witchy-woman. She’s trying to change the world, you know. Mostly, she comes here to work. Anyone notices this, please try to help — I won’t be around to cross link. Probably. For awhile.
Staying up for Ken..maybe for axe and Will too.
Dang..everyone bailed out early.
Wth does that mean? No nuclear poofing allowed.
You have been growing on me..you cant go nuclear now!
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 10:35 AM
cozmo on May 19, 2013 at 10:28 AM
Nope..can’t stand any of the sci-fi
stuff.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 10:46 AM
Then you miss out on some sweet eye candy.
cozmo on May 19, 2013 at 10:55 AM
Then you miss out on some sweet eye candy.
cozmo on May 19, 2013 at 10:55 AM
Nope..trust me..I got plenty. ;)
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 11:03 AM
?
What in the heck do you think I was talkin’ about?
.
.
.
.
Dirty mind! Look at this link closely.
cozmo on May 19, 2013 at 11:13 AM
Chicks? lol
Sorry..Sparky has ruined me.
Eh, space stuff is okay..
while I appreciate your links..
it just doesn’t get me excited.
Don’t know why.
I watched the shuttle go up a million times here..
right in my back yard..
Rocket went up the other day. It’s cool
but I just never got into it.
I did love my telescope and looking at the stars,planets,system…fascinating.
You know I am a odd ball ding bat. :)
I love Ships, subs, anything ocean related..my passion I guess.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 11:18 AM
Another world..inside the world.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 11:19 AM
Well then, you ain’t totally lost. Change anything to machine, and I’m with you.
Caspian Sea Monster
cozmo on May 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM
And you didn’t look closely at that second link.
Though his link is broken, I keep my new website pretty well hidden.
cozmo on May 19, 2013 at 11:26 AM
Caspian Sea Monster
cozmo on May 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM
Now you’re talking!
That is bad ass!
ahhh..morning quality time with Coz.
I just got up..bad b9.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 11:28 AM
cozmo on May 19, 2013 at 11:26 AM
hmmm..I have a clue now.
I think I get what your saying..coupled with past convo’s we had.
Give me a break..I just woke up and I am blond. :)
Until I ingest more caffeine..”my look closely” function is a bit off, my little kozmonot.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 11:33 AM
Eh, daughter is giving a speech at church, so I’m makin’ my biannual visit to Sunday service.
Enjoy me while you have me.
Since it appears we are the only two here.
Just got it up a while back and only the first page is live.
cozmo on May 19, 2013 at 11:33 AM
Out of production….
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 11:35 AM
Enjoy me while you have me.
I actually do..I know..says something about me. ;)
Really? That is odd. All the juicy stuff disappeared then..
That would be me.
“Since it appears we are the only two here.”
Cool, thanks for sharing. I understand the oz more now. I see your passion and why.
I recall our morning talk a couple months back..you were making molds.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 11:42 AM
*C*
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 11:43 AM
Its a very progressive church. One that this deist can tolerate, as long as they don’t expect me to sing.
Now if there was a way to kill that link.
Its a good thing the third page isn’t live. More than a dozen Trek kits there. And more on the way.
The Trek stuff alone pays for my evening hobby.
cozmo on May 19, 2013 at 1:25 PM
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