Report: Assad’s forces use chemical weapons on Syrian rebels

posted at 3:01 pm on December 24, 2012 by Allahpundit

This report is the whole Syrian civil war in a nutshell. It’s horribly brutal; both sides are sufficiently dubious that you’re not sure whom to believe; and it’s going to take a higher death toll than this to get the west involved.

Seven people have died in Homs after they inhaled a “poisonous gas” used by government forces in a rebel-held neighbourhood, activists said.

Activists also told Al Jazeera on Sunday night that scores of others were affected in al-Bayyada neighbourhood. Side effects reported include nausea, relaxed muscles, blurred vision, and breathing difficulties…

“The situation is very difficult. We do not have enough facemasks. We don’t know what this gas is but medics are saying it’s something similar to Sarin gas,” Raji Rahmet Rabbou, an activist in Homs, told Al Jazeera.

A doctor treating patients subsequently said the gas seemed to be a concentrated form of tear gas that has not been used in Homs before. Inhaling large amounts can lead to suffocation and death, he said.

Follow the link up top for videos of people gasping for air, which, while tough to watch, do next to nothing to corroborate the details of the alleged attack.

Any reason to believe that Assad really might have dropped sarin here? Yup. Read this Danger Room report about alarm bells sounding in western intel circles lately over his arsenal. U.S. officials thought he was planning to go chemical back in July; since then, they’ve detected attempts by the regime to buy sarin precursors and, just three weeks ago, somehow discovered that Syrian forces were building sarin warheads capable of being dropped from planes. According to a statement released by the rebels, the mystery gas that descended on Homs was dropped from planes. Last week, David Ignatius claimed that he’s heard from Syrian defectors and “independent sources” that the regime has a certain number of mobile chemical-weapons labs, and that Lebanese officials were warned in November to be on the lookout for them possibly crossing the border. The timing of all this makes sense: After months and months of stalemate, there now seems to be real momentum on the rebels’ side — to the point where some analysts think Assad has just weeks left. If that’s true, then he might have decided to go for broke. The final stage of going for broke would be chemical.

Any reason to not believe that Assad might have dropped sarin here? Yup. For one thing, it seems awfully strange that the regime would cross the west’s ultimate red line to carry out an attack as small in scale as this. If you’re going to risk a no-fly zone being imposed and, maybe, retaliation from the U.S. Air Force, you’d want more from your chemical attack than just seven dead. Unless this was some sort of trial run (or, maybe more likely, a propaganda gambit aimed at scaring the rebels without killing so many as to trigger a U.S. response), then Assad’s probably not behind it. For another thing, there’s reason to believe that the rebels themselves have crude chemical weapons; propaganda videos showing them gassing rabbits as a warning to Assad were circulating online just a few weeks ago. Given that some significant chunk of them are looney-tunes jihadists, who’s to say they didn’t stage a chemical attack on civilians themselves in order to frame Assad and draw the west in on their side? (Ignatius is worried enough about rebel disinformation that he cited the infamous Iraqi informer “Curveball” in his column as a reason to remain kinda sorta skeptical about chemical weapons claims in Syria.) A new CNN poll shows 52 percent of Americans opposed to any sort of military intervention, but that margin is narrow enough that a spectacular chemical attack might tip it the other way. The rebels have a lot to gain politically from the WMD genie leaving the bottle.

Exit question one: Even if Assad’s on the ropes, does it make sense for him to go chemical? One of his best bits of leverage in preserving some sort of space for himself and the Alawites in post-war Syria is the west’s fear of a total jihadi takeover. If he busts out the sarin, that leverage is gone; the west will be forced to commit itself to his total destruction, if only as a warning to other regimes with WMD not to follow his path. Strategically, the smarter play (especially in light of the Muslim Brotherhood’s rise in Egypt) is to try to convince the west somehow that whatever follows him will be worse. Exit question two: What if the Homs attack wasn’t carried out by Assad or the rebels? What I mean is, what if enough of Assad’s chemical stockpile has now gone loose that freelance groups — a subgroup of mujahid rebels, or an especially fanatic division of Syrian army soldiers — have gotten hold of some weapons and are staging attacks on their own initiative? That’s the most frightening possibility here given what it portends for the wider region. And don’t think it can’t happen.


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Stay out.

This shithole isn’t worth one American life or one dime of taxpayer funds.

letoile du nord on December 24, 2012 at 3:07 PM

and it’s going to take a higher death toll than this to get the west involved.

“the west”

Hmmmmm, I wonder who is meant by “the west”?

Hmmmmmmmmm

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 24, 2012 at 3:11 PM

*eats a slice of banana bread his grandmother just made*

BigGator5 on December 24, 2012 at 3:12 PM

I say we sell them more of it!

Archivarix on December 24, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Hmmmmm, I wonder who is meant by “the west”?

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 24, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Colonel Allen West?

Archivarix on December 24, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Meanwhile in Hawaii. Fooooooore !

Hummer53 on December 24, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Stay out.

This shithole isn’t worth one American life or one dime of taxpayer funds.

letoile du nord on December 24, 2012 at 3:07 PM

^This.

And it’s why we can expect Dear Leader to commit troops to the conflict as the Jihadist-in-Chief can’t pass up a chance to influence the installation of yet another Islamist government.

turfmann on December 24, 2012 at 3:16 PM

To be honest, I am far more fearful of what will happen to the remaining few Christians after the al qaeda- backed rebels take over. Syria will be the next piece if the “New Caliphate.”

I agree with letoile du nord – saving Muslims is not worth the effort.

bw222 on December 24, 2012 at 3:16 PM

and it’s going to take a higher death toll than this to get the west involved.

“the west”

Hmmmmm, I wonder who is meant by “the west”?

Hmmmmmmmmm

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 24, 2012 at 3:11 PM

France

RickB on December 24, 2012 at 3:16 PM

Put me in the doubter column for many of the reasons AP puts out: Not enough dead, rebels lying to gain support, etc. Arabs have a long history of lying their heads off to advance their agenda. (Jenin, anyone? Operation Cast Lead? Muhammed al Dura?) And I imagine the Syrian rebels have enough tech savvy to create their own version of Pallywood. Is Assad trying to scare the wits out of the rebels? Is he stupid enough to bet double or nothing? He’s already in deep, deep kimchee internationally. Is he willing to risk losing what little support he still has? I’ll go with rebel lying over Assad stupidity.

catsandbooks on December 24, 2012 at 3:16 PM

He can only die once. Why wouldn’t he do it? He knows he’s going down, regardless. I doubt being tried for war crimes in the Hague is high on his list of fears. Who knows what the truth is?

a capella on December 24, 2012 at 3:17 PM

This report is the whole Syrian civil war in a nutshell. It’s horribly brutal; both sides are sufficiently dubious that you’re not sure whom to believe; and it’s going to take a higher death toll than this to get the west involved.

Merry Christmas to you to.

rob verdi on December 24, 2012 at 3:18 PM

A doctor treating patients subsequently said the gas seemed to be a concentrated form of tear gas that has not been used in Waco before.

Akzed on December 24, 2012 at 3:21 PM

If and when chemical weapons are used, it will be one massive strike designed to decapitate the rebellion in one fell swoop.

The rebels are lying, just like they lied in Egypt, just like they lied in Libya.

Rebar on December 24, 2012 at 3:23 PM

First of all, there has been “real momentum” assigned to the rebel side just about every other week since this thing started. How many times have we heard the imminent fall of the Assad regime?

Secondly, if gas was used, the symptoms seem more like CS than Sarin.

Third, if a gas was used, I would not put it beyond the rebels to gas a rival tribe and blame it on Assad.

Finally, Mr. Obama, “what are you prepared to do?”

BKeyser on December 24, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Both sides in that ‘conflict’ are evil,so let ‘em kill each other off.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 24, 2012 at 3:28 PM

OT – who is the perpetrator? I want to know his background.

Media, media, media?

Schadenfreude on December 24, 2012 at 3:33 PM

“It’s a pity they both can’t lose.”
Henry Kissinger

Dawnsblood on December 24, 2012 at 3:33 PM

All in Syria are the enemies of the US.

NO blood and treasure for any, nor for Obama, for his muzzie brothers.

Schadenfreude on December 24, 2012 at 3:34 PM

Smart power! Put the Christians up in refugee shelters in the Golan Heigths, then when the smokes (gun and chemicals) clear, give them Syria.

rbj on December 24, 2012 at 3:35 PM

The report is dubious. If this was a chemical agent independent testing can confirm chlorine or sarin.

If Assad is fearful enough, he will use his arsenal to defend his power. He will still lose.

We must stay out of this.

dogsoldier on December 24, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Dear Syrians STOP Assad is a tyrant pig STOP The rebellion is a bunch of islamist nuts STOP You’re killing each other STOP Please don’t EVER STOP.

Misha I on December 24, 2012 at 3:38 PM


Any reason to not believe that Assad might have dropped sarin here?

Um, yeah, because sarin is a contact agent. You don’t breath it in and start gasping. Victims would be kicking themselves to death after losing total control of their bowels because their muscles could no longer contract. They would not be gasping for air or something.

The symptoms for nerve agents include twitching, violent jerking, absurdly productive runny noses, uncontrollable drooling, and so forth.

casuist on December 24, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Dear Syrians STOP Assad is a tyrant pig STOP The rebellion is a bunch of islamist nuts STOP You’re killing each other STOP Please don’t EVER STOP.

Sounds Reaganesque. How smart does Reagan look now in handling the Middle East. He allowed Iran and Iraq to kill each other for 10 years and sold weapons to both sides. I think we need to go back to a Reagan foriegn policy and not favor anyone but ourselves in the Middle East.

milemarker2020 on December 24, 2012 at 3:46 PM

Report: Assad’s forces use chemical weapons on Syrian rebels

…but!…but!…butt not too long ago…Nancy Pelosi declared that Assad was a moderate !
…oh wait!…she always thinks that she… and her friends are moderates too!

KOOLAID2 on December 24, 2012 at 3:50 PM

President Obama ended his Christmas vacation in Hawaii early to return to Washington to personally oversee the U.S. response to this provocation and crossing of what he said was a “Red Line” for America.

No, wait. I made that all up. He is at the beach.

MikeA on December 24, 2012 at 3:52 PM

These are the same “freedom fighters” who said they were going to wipe out several christian towns.

Foreign policy momentum hinders the United States some times and this is a good example. Sometimes the Russians are right and we are wrong….and this happens to be one of those rare times. Assad is preferable to the alternative.

Also it would be preferable if the Russians ran central Asia again, yet for some idiotic reasons we are against that as well…

William Eaton on December 24, 2012 at 3:53 PM

These are the same “freedom fighters” who said they were going to wipe out several christian towns.

William Eaton on December 24, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Crime fighters fight crime, firefighters fight fires…

Kenosha Kid on December 24, 2012 at 4:00 PM

The symptoms for nerve agents include twitching, violent jerking, absurdly productive runny noses, uncontrollable drooling, and so forth.

casuist on December 24, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Sounds like a typical rap singer to me.

Archivarix on December 24, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Strategically, the smarter play (especially in light of the Muslim Brotherhood’s rise in Egypt) is to try to convince the west somehow that whatever follows him will be worse.

That’s a level of thinking that’s far above Assad’s head.

HondaV65 on December 24, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Motto of the US Chemical corp: UTAWBAG
Up Their A– With Bugs And Gas

Which is worse? Gas killing 7 people or bombs blowing apart and crippling dozens? Or TSA type execution squads coming by your home at night? If you people only knew how easy it is to make poison gas, and how hard it is to use it where it damages the other guy, not you.

Old Country Boy on December 24, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Gee, I wonder where Assad got all those chemical weapons(WMD)? What a shock?

BetseyRoss on December 24, 2012 at 4:12 PM

casuist on December 24, 2012 at 3:45 PM

You are correct. It is not a nerve gas. Maybe a homemade cocktail of gases.

chemman on December 24, 2012 at 4:13 PM

if you people only knew how easy it is to make poison gas, and how hard it is to use it where it damages the other guy, not you.

Old Country Boy on December 24, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Highly concentration and weather dependent. Wind blowing the wrong direction and you end up sucking in the gas. To much wind and it dilutes it and you get a bunch of incapacitated people with few deaths.

chemman on December 24, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Report: Assad’s forces use chemical weapons on Syrian rebels

Who cares how they kill each other? At least, this contributes to a dimunition of Syria’s chemical arsenal – which nothing and no one else can or will do.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 24, 2012 at 4:20 PM

The symptoms for nerve agents include twitching, violent jerking, absurdly productive runny noses, uncontrollable drooling, and so forth.

casuist on December 24, 2012 at 3:45 PM

During training, American troops grew tolerant to common tear gas. They delayed too long to put on their protective masks. The chemical gurus invented a much more powerful tearing agent, CS, to mimic common nerve agents. CS has the same physiological effects GA, GB, and VX, except is doesn’t kill you. You will just wish you were dead. It is really a very humane way to fight a war. You don’t have to kill your enemy, just hit him with CS and he becomes inoperative. You simply just disarm him.

We started to use CS during Vietnam. It greatly helped the tunnel rats. Reduced American casualties immensely. However, the John Kerry types thought this was nerve gas warfare and they demonstrated and made the military stop using it. We lost a lot more troops than necessary and had no option but to kill the enemy operatives, instead of capturing them. Remember, when libruls speak, people die.

Old Country Boy on December 24, 2012 at 4:22 PM

They’re all terrorists, let ‘em fight/kill each other.
I’m sick of all of them. If they’re not fighting one another, they’re fighting us. The whole flock of them is not worth just one American soldier.

purgatory on December 24, 2012 at 4:24 PM

TSA type execution squads coming by your home at night?
Old Country Boy on December 24, 2012 at 4:12 PM

I did not mean TSA, I meant any of the homeland security goons.

Old Country Boy on December 24, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Lies about lies made by lying liars about lying liars to the lie sucking stupid filthy unbelievers.

May Santa stuff their stockings with bacon.

BL@KBIRD on December 24, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Religion of Peace™ killing Religion of Peace™. Pass the egg nog.

Ronnie on December 24, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Old Country Boy on December 24, 2012 at 4:25 PM

*pfft* Any TSA-like homeland execution squads would be completely incompetent. To the point that they would start shooting themselves in their right foot, LONG before they would be a threat to anyone.

BigGator5 on December 24, 2012 at 4:37 PM

Test fire of 40 year old gas to see it it still works. But If it was new stuff all would have died on the street and not got to hospital. All they have old surplus and did not age well. Having it affect only a few people is all they can do. That is if it is not all propaganda.

tjexcite on December 24, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Who do you cheer for when a rat fights a snake?

Boogeyman on December 24, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Test fire of 40 year old gas to see it it still works. But If it was new stuff all would have died on the street and not got to hospital. All they have old surplus and did not age well. Having it affect only a few people is all they can do. That is if it is not all propaganda.

Nail on the head. They tried it in some enclosed location on some rebels, it worked, but they needed an outdoor test. Obama will probably send a sternly worded memo out just as soon as he’s back from fun in the sun Hawaii.

MarkT on December 24, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Which is worse? Gas killing 7 people or bombs blowing apart and crippling dozens? Or TSA type execution squads coming by your home at night? If you people only knew how easy it is to make poison gas, and how hard it is to use it where it damages the other guy, not you.

Old Country Boy on December 24, 2012 at 4:12 PM

This has always been a puzzler for me. Carpet bombing, napalm, Hellfire missles in Afghanistan, machetes in the Congo, burning tires necklaced in South Africa, get a few inches on page 16, but, a hint of chemical or biological weapons and it is freakout time. If anyone thinks the Norks haven’t made nuclear materials available to any group with hard cash, by now, they are dreaming. Soon it will be Iran. We need to be thinking in those terms.

a capella on December 24, 2012 at 5:05 PM

a capella on December 24, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Biological weapons are in a different class because they can be (and are usually) infectious, which imperils/attacks everyone. But the rest of the weapons are pretty much confined to the battlefield they’re used on and it is only moral perversion that declares any of them a worse way of killing than the other. As part of your list, the Rwandans slaughtered more people with machetes than atomic bombs have ever killed, and I think being macheted to death is probably about the worst way one can go – though the tire necklace is pretty friggin bad, too. Dying by chemical weapons would be better than either of those, without any doubt.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 24, 2012 at 5:10 PM

This has always been a puzzler for me. Carpet bombing, napalm, Hellfire missles in Afghanistan, machetes in the Congo, burning tires necklaced in South Africa, get a few inches on page 16, but, a hint of chemical or biological weapons and it is freakout time. If anyone thinks the Norks haven’t made nuclear materials available to any group with hard cash, by now, they are dreaming. Soon it will be Iran. We need to be thinking in those terms.

a capella on December 24, 2012 at 5:05 PM

This. Chemical weapons are a much better terror weapon than they are a tactical weapon when you have civilians mixed in with soldiers, rebel or otherwise. Hard to aim the darn things, wind blows the stuff around, heat messes with it, and then the weather changes.

STL_Vet on December 24, 2012 at 5:13 PM

The road to Damascus

a capella on December 24, 2012 at 5:20 PM

“It’s a pity they both can’t lose.”
Henry Kissinger

Dawnsblood on December 24, 2012 at 3:33 PM

If we’d just stay out of their way, they’ll eventually kill each other off.
Let’em have at it – and the devil take the hindmost.

Solaratov on December 24, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Obama does not fear “a total jihadi takeover.”

GaltBlvnAtty on December 24, 2012 at 6:00 PM

If they want to use chem weapons, that’s their business….not ours. Not one dime for intervention of any stripe.

rickyricardo on December 24, 2012 at 6:03 PM

I’m with getting out of the way and letting G-d sort them out.

Philly on December 24, 2012 at 6:14 PM

So,whats the threat to stop Assads Goons of Chemically
stink’n up the place,a retalitory tactical nuke strike,
Fuel Air device,MOAB(s),

or a Really Nasty letter as in Team America type scene!!
(sarc)

canopfor on December 24, 2012 at 6:17 PM

If George Bush were in the White House still, the libs and donks would be on a Christmas Eve peace vigil demanding no troops deployed for oil.

I guess they like Democrat Wars.

hawkdriver on December 24, 2012 at 6:21 PM

“It’s a pity they both can’t lose.”
Henry Kissinger

Dawnsblood on December 24, 2012 at 3:33 PM

If we’d just stay out of their way, they’ll eventually kill each other off.
Let’em have at it – and the devil take the hindmost.

Solaratov on December 24, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Seriously, is Syria anything but a self-cleaning oven at this time?

Kenosha Kid on December 24, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Seven people have died in Homs after they inhaled a “poisonous gas” used by government forces in a rebel-held neighbourhood, activists said.

They are likely lying. They lie a lot.

VorDaj on December 24, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Let’s not forget that one of Sadam Hussein’s generals said that Iraq had moved its chemcal weapons to Syria prior to the US attack.

While many claim to have debunked this claim, no one has been able to conclusively prove that it is inaccurate.

mrveritas on December 24, 2012 at 7:26 PM

it’s going to take a higher death toll than this to get the west involved.

Which speaks to the west’s moral bankruptcy when it comes to killing.

US

Thousands of black kids and young adults getting shot every year in the continental US creates a 5 second media spot per mass shooting.

20 cute white kids in an upmarket town getting mowed down creates a national media-supported outcry.

The Rest of the World

Normal weapons killing a couple thousand white looking people near some oil/minerals is a 5 second spot per hundred killing (Zimbabwe).

Scary weapons killing a couple thousand white looking people near some oil/minerals, creates a small outcry (Iraq, Syria, Iran).

Axes, machetes, knives, swords, boms, and some rifles killing hundreds of thousands of authentically (h/t MSNBC) black people (Rwanda for instance). Meh – Bono will play a charity gig.

Cafeteria morality.

CorporatePiggy on December 24, 2012 at 8:52 PM

WONDERING WHAT THE ODDS ARE THAT THE REBELS ACCIDENTALLY GASSES THEMSELVES? JUST A THOUGHT, YA KNOW TO GIAN MORE SYMPATHY….

ARIZONAVETERAN on December 24, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Given what we know about the general incompetence of jihadis, until we know more the money bet would have to be they gassed themselves and/or some bystanders. Seven dead is about the right number for an accident, not an attack.

fadetogray on December 24, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Not… worth… one… American… life…

Khun Joe on December 24, 2012 at 10:45 PM

and it’s going to take a higher death toll than this to get the west involved.

I DON’T CARE IF EVERY MAN, WOMAN, AND SNOT-NOSED MUSLIM BRAT IN THE WHOLE PLACE DIES! NO AMERICAN INVOLVEMENT!!!

MelonCollie on December 24, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Why should the west be involved at all?

What benefit will come of it?

Will the Syrians love us more?

No. Absolutely NOT!

Will the Syrians stop acting like centuries old barbarians?

No. Absolutely not.

Will the Syrians renounce their violent, bizarre religion of Islam and Shariah Law?

No. Absolutely not.

Will the Syrians stop hating and killing the Jews and Christians in their midst?

No.

Sticking western noses into Syrian business will do nothing but suck money, weapons, and lives down the drain, be used as another excuse, layered on top of any and all excuses they can come up with to hate, and perpetuate violence against the west.

Moreover, what difference does it really make whether the weapons used against one another are so-called “conventional” weapons, such as guns with bullets, mortars, bombs, rockets, and so on, nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, or biological weapons? The purpose of the fighting is to kill the enemy, to influence the enemy to your way of thinking, or make them suffer so much that they stop resisting, or, in the case of when they are already attacking you and your people, they are so badly beaten and have suffered so much that they don’t want it any longer and they give up.

If a people are being oppressed and the oppressor or oppressors possess superior fire power, wouldn’t the weaker side, the oppressed, wish to use any means necessary to survive?

Of course they would.

The US did exactly that in WWII, bombing Japan into submission, waking them up to the idea of putting an end to their goal of domination.

If a woman or man is attacked by a well trained, strong attacker, and the attacker is being the stuffing out of the victim, is there anything wrong with the victim employing anything nearby to act as an equalizer to balance the force, and enable the victim to prevail?

This survival goal goes all the way to the use of even the use of a pet lion, tiger, elephant, dinosaur, Superman, a lights saber, Jedi Powers, or anything necessary to prevail.

The Syrian army has dominant power over the so-called “Rebels.” Would the “world” take issue with the so-called “rebels” if they employed chemical or biological weapons against the powers-that-be?

If the US were disarmed by Obama, and we were all subservient to invaders, would people care if we turned the tide by employing chemical and biological weapons?

No. Citizens would realize that they wish to survive and be free rather than be oppressed, abused, and murdered. For that reason you can bet your top dollar that they would use anything, including deception, chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons, if they could, in order to win back liberty and sovereignty.

Are people any less dead when they are blown to pieces by bombs, or torn apart by large caliber weapons? When buildings and other objects are blown up by bombs and mortars, are the victims not also choking on fumes, dust, chemicals, etc., even though the bomb or mortar is not considered a “chemical” or “biological” weapon?

Yes, poisons resulting from the materials damaged and ignited by the bombs do sicken and kill people, just as the materials in paint, sofas, other furniture, etc., burning in house fires kill fathers, mothers, and children, in house fires, as the fumes often kill people before the flames do.

No, I cannot understand the concern for whether chemical or biological weapons are used when people are already dying daily from fumes, as well as bullets, bombs, knives, and so on.

The Syrian people might not be our friends, and do not wish to send more US soldiers, who are also US citizens, to be used as cannon fodder for some politically correct, false compassion and sympathy action, and I do not wish to arm more al Qaeda, Taliban type sickos.

Let the nations who hate the US, but love Islam so much go and let their people die for the cause. We cannot benefit from the current Syrian power being replaced by another, even more vile force.

William2006 on December 25, 2012 at 1:25 AM

The fruit of the false religion of islam is sociopathy. The fruit of sociopathy is tyrannical dictatorial government. Assad will only be defeated by something even morally worse than he is. The Syrian people will be no better off in the end.

Mojave Mark on December 25, 2012 at 2:16 AM

We already know what the Arab Spring really is. We have seen the reality of it unmasked on the ground in Iraq and Egypt and Libya. The Arab Spring is not a flowering of freedom and tolerance. It is exactly the opposite. It is the tearing down of regimes that protected non-Muslims from the true horror that is Islam.

Even the sadistic, psychopathic monster Saddam was far, far better at protecting the lives of non-Muslims than the freely elected democratic regime America gave the Iraqi’s is.

Our fetishizing democracy is unleashing a truly great horror upon the world. Freedom is not and never has been about democracy. Freedom is about ‘negative’ human rights (what government cannot do to individuals) enshrined in an effective rule of law.

Democracy is a tool a free and tolerant people can use to protect themselves from tyrants. If the people are by and large vicious, intolerant scum, the democracy is a monster so horrifying it is even worse than the likes of Saddam and his evil spawn.

fadetogray on December 25, 2012 at 6:19 AM

hopefully assad can transport all the gas before his fall, that he was given by saddam, to morsi. and when he goes he can do some cleaning up in egpyt on his way out. i think given enough time this arab spring might do some good: arab spring cleaning. course we’d stall have that nasty persian problem to deal with.

t8stlikchkn on December 25, 2012 at 9:46 AM

We cannot benefit from the current Syrian power being replaced by another, even more vile force.

William2006 on December 25, 2012 at 1:25 AM

well, we could give both sides a lot of gas, then put a giant plastic bag over the country, and let them figure it out. they’re muslims, they’ll know what to do. upside?

t8stlikchkn on December 25, 2012 at 9:49 AM

I agree that neither side is worth a bucket of warm spit. (apologies to John Nance Garner) But now we will find out which horse Barry Zero has his money on. Either way, I think we lose.

Mr. Grump on December 25, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Stay out — why help the Islamists win? That’s INSANE.

Merry Christmas to all

Conservchik on December 25, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Oh, yeah, help the Israelis nuke the Iranians into the dustbin of history. Yeppers.

Conservchik on December 25, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Hey, remember how there were no WMDs in the Middle East?

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

BKennedy on December 25, 2012 at 6:34 PM

This is a concocted story by terrorist looking to capitalized on western emotions. Let Assad mop up and wipe out these terrorists. Lest we forget how Al-Qaeda minded “rebels” thanked us last time we gave them help.

Rattl3r on December 26, 2012 at 12:44 AM

Let them eat yellow cake!

kregg on December 26, 2012 at 7:34 AM

This is a concocted story by terrorist looking to capitalized on western emotions. Let Assad mop up and wipe out these terrorists. Lest we forget how Al-Qaeda minded “rebels” thanked us last time we gave them help.

Rattl3r on December 26, 2012 at 12:44 AM

Dingdingding! Dictators we can at least deal with, but we have a piss-lousy track record of handling rebel groups. Let ‘em fry.

MelonCollie on December 26, 2012 at 10:09 AM