So what’s Plan C?

posted at 10:31 am on December 21, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

What happens when Plan B fails?  That answer may matter less than the question of what happens to the man who promised Plan B would work in the first place.  Chris Cillizza writes that John Boehner climbed onto a big limb with Plan B … and then watched as his own caucus sawed it off:

To be clear: This was a gambit by Boehner designed to be a show of force to President Obama. This was Boehner putting himself out on a limb in hopes wavering members would follow him. This vote mattered to Boehner.

And he lost it.

It’s not clear what the fallout within the chamber will be — there is no obvious challenger to Boehner as Speaker but one could, of course, appear in the wake of this moment — but here’s what we now know:

1. Any bargaining power Boehner had with Obama — or hoped to have — is gone.  The goal of passing “Plan B” was to be able to say to the president and Senate Democrats that House Republicans were the only people who had passed something that would avert the fiscal cliff. Now, not so much.  Obama already had the upper hand in these negotiations — he was reelected just over a month ago — and Boehner knew it. What happened on the House floor Thursday night made a bad bargaining situation for Boehner that much worse.

Actually, that’s not just bad news for John Boehner.  It’s bad news for Barack Obama, too.  In order to negotiate on these issues — either before or after plunging off the fiscal cliff — Obama has to win a vote in the House, too.  That means he needs a negotiator who can deliver on a package, presumably with enough Republican votes to get political cover on a compromise.  Boehner can’t reliably  do so, thanks to the internal divisions in the House Republican caucus, which means that Obama doesn’t have a lot of leverage in the lower chamber, either.

On the other hand, Chris Frates writes at National Journal, perhaps this was the strategy all along:

But behind the rhetoric there was a strategy at play. The plan appeared designed to move Obama toward the speaker’s position of smaller tax increases and larger spending cuts while helping conservatives wrap their heads around the idea of voting for a tax hike.

The speaker struggled to round up GOP votes for a package that only would have raised taxes on millionaires. If Boehner had trouble selling his own package, it sends a message to Obama that his position, raising taxes on people who make over $400,000, is going to be even tougher to pass.

Amid rank-and-file House Republicans, there was growing opposition to the Boehner-Obama talks. If that feeling was allowed to fester, Boehner feared he would not be able to muster enough support for an eventual deal with Obama. Thursday’s vote was supposed to ensure that conservatives would have their fingerprints on any final result by bringing them into the deal-making process.

Though Boehner couldn’t get his caucus on record supporting a tax hike, his voter counters now have a much better idea of how many Republicans could get behind that approach.

That’s important because if Obama and Boehner strike a deal, he won’t need to deliver all the votes himself. An Obama-blessed package will win support from House Democrats, who opposed Plan B. Most Republican insiders believe Boehner only has to deliver about half his members to keep his speakership.

CBS’ Brian Montopoli and Steve Chaggaris are less optimistic:

Boehner sent House Republicans home for Christmas after last night’s legislative collapse, ensuring nothing will be passed until Dec. 27 at the earliest, when members are due back in town.  That leaves Boehner and President Obama to keep negotiating – something that ground to a halt after Boehner announced he was moving forward with his “Plan B” earlier in the week.

But the two are at a stalemate, even though they’re not that far apart in their proposals. In their most recent offers, Mr. Obama was offering $1.2 trillion in revenue and $800 billion in spending cuts; Boehner was offering $1 trillion in revenue and $1 trillion in spending cuts.  Also, the president agreed to let the Bush-era tax cuts expire on those making over $400,000; Boehner is supporting a $1 million threshold, to the consternation of some in his party who don’t want anyone’s taxes to go up.

The president is hoping to get to Hawaii for Christmas – he was planning on leaving town today but without a “fiscal cliff” deal, it’s unclear whether he’ll get to the Aloha State at all for the holiday.  Meantime, Boehner wakes up today with the realization that he has a seemingly irreparable schism within his own ranks: there are just enough Republicans who refuse to budge on taxes and are demanding more spending cuts, especially on entitlement programs such as Medicare, therefore gumming up the works for any progress Boehner wants to make on the “fiscal cliff”.

Ultimately, negotiations between the president and Boehner might be over, especially since it’s clear to all parties after last night that Boehner doesn’t have the votes to get any compromise through the House.

To paraphrase Animal House, it’s not over until they say it’s over.  Obama doesn’t have anyone else to negotiate with except John Boehner, and vice versa.  That was the outcome of the election, and barring a change in Speaker, the two are negotiating partners for the next two years.  And Obama won’t want a change in Speaker, because it’s likely to be Eric Cantor, who will be more difficult as a negotiator.

Therefore, I suspect that Obama and Boehner might find common ground on a Plan C to kick the can down the road another two months.  They can apply the full AMT patch that way and get the IRS out of the way, while then staging a new deadline that will force Republicans to tie the debt ceiling to the tax debate rather than just entitlement reform, which has been the GOP strategy.  That will allow both sides to avoid the immediate consequences of the fiscal cliff and get out of town for the holidays, while setting up the next showdown.

Otherwise, we have what our friend Duke calls the Obamamite Maneuver: Call a vote on Obama’s proposal in the House and have all Republicans vote “present.” That way Obama owns the consequences of his bad economic policy without any Republican fingerprints, the fiscal cliff gets avoided, and the debt ceiling remains a bargaining chip for the GOP in February to get real entitlement reform and deficit reduction in place. At least that would be less embarrassing than what happened yesterday in the House.


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So what’s Plan C?

Drink. Cry. Apply tan. Play golf with Obama. Drink more.

Archivarix on December 21, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Cliff?

BallisticBob on December 21, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Hopefully, Boehner has enough Mayan blood in him to see this as the end of the world for him and step down.

michaelo on December 21, 2012 at 10:34 AM

So what’s Plan C?

A Cameo on “Amish Mafia”??

ToddPA on December 21, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Take up cliff diving.

MelonCollie on December 21, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Maybe it’s Plan M – Mayan apocalypse.

Never trust a Mayan.

Akzed on December 21, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Plan “C”.

Ban more guns.

Pass an amnesty.

Spend more of our tax money.

Lie about it all.

Same old plan.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 21, 2012 at 10:39 AM

YES! Why isn’t this being done?

blink on December 21, 2012 at 10:38 AM

The same reason why there was no “shutdown” two years ago.

nobar on December 21, 2012 at 10:40 AM

This is just what Obama wanted. Since the house is dysfunctional, the Won can just use executive orders, and we will all be beholden to him for letting just keep a few pennies out of our paychecks.

esr1951 on December 21, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Plan “D”.

Find a way to hide “ear mark” spending.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 21, 2012 at 10:41 AM

The president is hoping to get to Hawaii for Christmas – he was planning on leaving town today but without a “fiscal cliff” deal, it’s unclear whether he’ll get to the Aloha State at all for the holiday.

Bwahahahahahahaha

He’ll be living large while the country burns. You can bank on that.

We’ll be lectured on how there’s this thing called a telephone that allows people to communicate over long distances.

ButterflyDragon on December 21, 2012 at 10:41 AM

Dig. Clear your field of fire. Wait for the asteroid.

Bishop on December 21, 2012 at 10:41 AM

Here’s a theory:
Obama calls Boehner and throws him a deal that keeps this $1mil threshold for the upper bracket. In turn, Obama gets to drive the cuts train a little more.
Boehner gets to have a little cred in the end for ‘forcing Os hand’ on that tax raise…and O gets the cred of putting together a deal that passes with bipartisan support.

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 10:41 AM

Plan ” E “.

Photo opp of Obama smirking.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 21, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Plan “F”

“f’it”

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 21, 2012 at 10:43 AM

The Whole Plan.

“Re-Election and Re-Election Money.”

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 21, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Call a vote on Obama’s proposal in the House and have all Republicans vote “present.”

YES! Why isn’t this being done?

blink on December 21, 2012 at 10:38 AM

It’s really the only choice now.
Call if Plan P.

justltl on December 21, 2012 at 10:44 AM

A plan “C” would require a third, legitimate, party.
No have that.
What we have is either/or. No compromise, no third alternative.
Except do nothing and fall.

Jabberwock on December 21, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Otherwise, we have what our friend Duke calls the Obamamite Maneuver: Call a vote on Obama’s proposal in the House and have all Republicans vote “present.” That way Obama owns the consequences of his bad economic policy without any Republican fingerprints, the fiscal cliff gets avoided, and the debt ceiling remains a bargaining chip for the GOP in February to get real entitlement reform and deficit reduction in place. At least that would be less embarrassing than what happened yesterday in the House.

I thought they should have done this in the first place.

Naturally Curly on December 21, 2012 at 10:44 AM

So what’s Plan C?

Answer

BobMbx on December 21, 2012 at 10:45 AM

YES! Why isn’t this being done?

blink on December 21, 2012 at 10:38 AM

It SHOULD have been done. Boehner is a stupid, gullible and affable guy. Unfortunately, we need someone with balls and spine in his role, but the GOP is too corrupt and too stupid to see it.

dogsoldier on December 21, 2012 at 10:46 AM

PLAN C?……..Boehner resigns.

PLAN D?……….Cantor resigns.

PLAN E, F, G, H, however many it takes till we find ANYONE that is a PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVE that is willing to FIGHT…..and COMMUNICATE EFFECTIVELY Conservatism.

PappyD61 on December 21, 2012 at 10:47 AM

Plan C is let all the Obama voters reap the consequences of November 6th…

PatriotRider on December 21, 2012 at 10:50 AM

Maybe Boehner should pay attention to the fiscal conservatives that voted against last night’s stunt. There is generational theft going on and the dishonest left only wants to paint this as raising taxes on fat cats and the GOP’s defense of them.

Happy Nomad on December 21, 2012 at 10:50 AM

“Gentlemen, gentlemen, please! We must protect our phoney-baloney jobs!”

mojo on December 21, 2012 at 10:52 AM

No, there was no shutdown because Republicans were worried about being blamed for it.

This is the exact opposite of that. This avoids allowing Republicans to get blamed for anything.

blink on December 21, 2012 at 10:47 AM

Blame would be assigned to Republicans even if all 535 seats in Congress were Dems. The meme will be that Republicans didn’t contribute and “let it happen”. The RINOs won’t let that happen of course, so they will cave (AGAIN).

nobar on December 21, 2012 at 10:54 AM

What ‘leverage’ does Obama have? Republicans control the House and are not going to pass Obama’s pipe dream, regardless how frothing the media gets.

On top of that, the credit agencies aren’t going to swallow Obama’s bull$hit either, even if the media does.

If that’s not enough, consider that half the country didn’t support Obama and still don’t. There is no mandate to raise taxes.

In one year, Obama is a permanent lame duck. It seems to me that he does not hold nearly as good of hand as the media wishes he did.

HopeHeFails on December 21, 2012 at 10:54 AM

“Gentlemen, gentlemen, please! We must protect our phoney-baloney jobs!”

mojo on December 21, 2012 at 10:52 AM

You cutting Nancy off ?

Jabberwock on December 21, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Maybe if we made a giant badger…

LtGenRob on December 21, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Go over the cliff, then Force Obama to go back to the “Bush” tax rates, and Force him to accept spending cuts without screwing the military.
Maybe they could start by getting rid of civilian government redundant workers??
No more increases in spending for Government programs.
Republicans will be blamed for if plan B or C or A-Z went into effect anyway.
Go over the cliff, let the public feel what tax increases really are like and then wait for them to ask the Republicans for help!

Delsa on December 21, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Plan C is let all the Obama voters reap the consequences of November 6th…

PatriotRider on December 21, 2012 at 10:50 AM

Obama voters don’t live in a world of consequences, just emotions.

RepubChica on December 21, 2012 at 10:57 AM

The president is hoping to get to Hawaii for Christmas – he was planning on leaving town today but without a “fiscal cliff” deal, it’s unclear whether he’ll get to the Aloha State at all for the holiday.

Boo efffing Hoo. Why should the filthy bastard go on vacation with work to be done at his job?

Happy Nomad on December 21, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Plan C, Funny!!! Collapse of course. Whigs!

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 10:59 AM

Like the Republican Kansas Congressman said this a.m. on Morning Joe, “We need a ‘Plan W’:

Work.”

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on December 21, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Plan SMOD.

Sweet Meteor of Death

LetsBfrank on December 21, 2012 at 11:00 AM

If the GOP caves then they will still get the blame when the tax rates fail to bring in more revenue and the economy suffers. Democrats will run to the right of those republicans on taxes in the mid terms. We’ve seen it before. Republicans running against incumbent Dems won’t be able to claim they are the party of lower taxes. Boner might like to think he’s playing chess but its the same old inside Washington game.

MechanicalBill on December 21, 2012 at 11:01 AM

The president is hoping to get to Hawaii for Christmas – he was planning on leaving town today but without a “fiscal cliff” deal, it’s unclear whether he’ll get to the Aloha State at all for the holiday.

So Boehner did something right.

LetsBfrank on December 21, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Money Honey destroys Sen. Cardin on CNBC.

newtopia on December 21, 2012 at 11:01 AM

“Gentlemen, gentlemen, please! We must protect our phoney-baloney jobs!”

mojo on December 21, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Hey, I didn’t get a harrumph out of you!

WisRich on December 21, 2012 at 11:03 AM

“Gentlemen, gentlemen, please! We must protect our phoney-baloney jobs!”

mojo on December 21, 2012 at 10:52 AM

“Hey! I didn’t get a harumph outta that guy!”

VegasRick on December 21, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Hey, is it the Apocalypse yet? Did I miss it?

novaculus on December 21, 2012 at 11:04 AM

It seems to me that he does not hold nearly as good of hand as the media wishes he did.

HopeHeFails on December 21, 2012 at 10:54 AM

The media is his hand as far as I know.

RepubChica on December 21, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Hey, I didn’t get a harrumph out of you!

WisRich on December 21, 2012 at 11:03 AM

“I’ll be watching you!”

VegasRick on December 21, 2012 at 11:05 AM

“What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is a’goin’ on here?”

kingsjester on December 21, 2012 at 11:05 AM

In their most recent offers, Mr. Obama was offering $1.2 trillion in revenue and $800 billion in spending cuts; Boehner was offering $1 trillion in revenue and $1 trillion in spending cuts.

Buying new deck chairs for the Titanic. One wants metal, the other wants wood. We’re going down.

Paul-Cincy on December 21, 2012 at 11:06 AM

The president is hoping to get to Hawaii for Christmas – he was planning on leaving town today but without a “fiscal cliff” deal, it’s unclear whether he’ll get to the Aloha State at all for the holiday.

It’s OK. Obama will bring Hawaii to DC. Save travel costs. Of course he’ll get waivers from the EPA.

Paul-Cincy on December 21, 2012 at 11:07 AM

“What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is a’goin’ on here?”

kingsjester on December 21, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Know = no. Just saying. Good article though.

VegasRick on December 21, 2012 at 11:09 AM

I think we should ban Semi-Automatic Mayans.

tomas on December 21, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Obama voters don’t live in a world of consequences, just emotions.

RepubChica on December 21, 2012 at 10:57 AM

So did Carter voters. . .until the misery index.

And sadly, that’s where we need to go again. Progressivism always “looks” great; reality is something else. We need to get out of the way of the reality-check that will come to us all eventually. . .

Plan C: agree to let S 3412 (extends “middle class tax cuts”) but only for a year) come to the House floor PROVIDED the Senate passes the House’s sequestration-shifting bill from yesterday.

johnny alpha on December 21, 2012 at 11:10 AM

I went out and bought Rosetta Stone last night to learn how to speak Greek…

PatriotRider on December 21, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Ban semi automatic msm lies and bull shit in suport of the commie way.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 21, 2012 at 11:13 AM

Weeping, begging, crying, and catering.

trs on December 21, 2012 at 11:13 AM

On the M plan, this is a good cartoon for today?

http://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/The-End-590-LI1.jpg
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letget on December 21, 2012 at 11:14 AM

“Want my assets, my earnings, my property,,,,COME AND GET IT.”

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 21, 2012 at 11:14 AM

I can hardly wait for Plan Z (From Outer Space).

Between Obama’s gargantuan ego and Caesarean pretensions, and Boehner’s need to strike a deal, any deal, this is not going to end well.

Scriptor on December 21, 2012 at 11:14 AM

“Gentlemen, gentlemen, please! We must protect our phoney-baloney jobs!”

mojo on December 21, 2012 at 10:52 AM

“Hey! I didn’t get a harumph outta that guy!”

VegasRick on December 21, 2012 at 11:04 AM

“You watch your ass.”

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on December 21, 2012 at 11:15 AM

As a conservative, my ideology is this: The only thing that will change one’s behavior is having to TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS. Go off the cliff & let the voters live with their decision. This is the main reason this country is going to crap. No one ever has to live with the decisions they make anymore. It’s always someone else’s fault that I’m poor, fat, unemployed, etc. Nevermind that I dropped out of school, tattooed up my face & eat twinkies all day. Sometimes you have to hit bottom to wake up.
Until EVERYONE has to make sacrifices, (not just the “wealthy”)nothing will get fixed & no spending cuts will be made.
LET IT BURN!

crowmangler on December 21, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Plan “C”.

More RINO’s will show theirselves for what they are.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 21, 2012 at 11:15 AM

PLAN C?……..Boehner resigns.

PLAN D?……….Cantor resigns.

PLAN E, F, G, H, however many it takes till we find ANYONE that is a PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVE that is willing to FIGHT…..and COMMUNICATE EFFECTIVELY Conservatism.

PappyD61 on December 21, 2012 at 10:47 AM

Me likey!

L.I.B.

Hill60 on December 21, 2012 at 11:16 AM

Come on now, we can’t let this get us down. The R’s have our backs, right?

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 11:16 AM

World Class Smirker in Chief.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 21, 2012 at 11:16 AM

Cliff! Cliff! Cliff! Cliff!

Go over the cliff, then Force Obama to go back to the “Bush” tax rates, and Force him to accept spending cuts without screwing the military.
Maybe they could start by getting rid of civilian government redundant workers??
No more increases in spending for Government programs.
Republicans will be blamed for if plan B or C or A-Z went into effect anyway.
Go over the cliff, let the public feel what tax increases really are like and then wait for them to ask the Republicans for help!

Delsa on December 21, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Basically, yeah.

Othniel on December 21, 2012 at 11:17 AM

“We The People” still have one anothers backs.

This thing this U.S.A. is only U.S. the ones who work and produce.

It is not a thing of the re-election cult members in Washington and other local locations of the nation.

This is something that back shooting con-men like Obama never understand untill it to late.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 21, 2012 at 11:19 AM

The media is not talking about the democrats who want to go over the fiscal cliff, and not blaming them, they are in favor of it, but don’t want to be blamed for raising taxes on their own voters.

Democrat voters, it seems, were helped to a greater percentage, having a greater impact on income, by their George Bush Tax Cuts. On Jan 1, they will pay more total tax revenue into DC than just the piddling millionaire and billionaires do, the reason Plan B was so witty and so bad for democrats.

I don’t want a Deal done by Obama and Boehner in secret.

Please please tell me, what is the plan of the republicans that would not vote for Boehner’s plan b? I think they are going to land us with a “deal.” I would like to see what action the tea party members can make forcing Reid and Obama to do anything Obama doesn’t want to do. He has proven reckless and stubborn, and does not care if his own voters hurt, as long as he gets his way.

There may be no “leadership” message coming from Boehner, but I liked plan b better than a bad “Deal.” But what is the tea party message realistically? Hold our breath until we turn blue…but then what? Why don’t we know what it is?

Fleuries on December 21, 2012 at 11:21 AM

Hey, is it the Apocalypse yet? Did I miss it?

Yes, if you live over the dateline. Evidently, the Mayans weren’t specific as to which timezone.

newtopia on December 21, 2012 at 11:22 AM

What was plan B? It was a plan to tax millionaires and billionaires with no specific or immediate spending cuts.

Plan B lost because Harry Reid and Obama did not want to tax just millionaires and billionaires, they want to extend taxes to non-millionaires and non-billionaires.

At the same time, Plan B lost because House Republicans didn’t see the sense in having a fiscal cliff avoidance bill that contained no spending cuts, only the standard Democrat plan of tax increases now with promises to cut spending some time in the future.

Our current tax revenue receipts are back to where they were in 2008, yet we are spending over a trillion dollars more each year.

We can never raise taxes enough to keep up with Democrat spending, look at California.

Until both sides get serious about reducing the spending, all we will have is greater debt for our children and grandchildren, which will translate into higher taxation and fewer opportunities for them.

SouthernRoots on December 21, 2012 at 11:24 AM

So what’s plan C?

Miss Venezuela just answered that. Don’t y’all understand plain English?

texacalirose on December 21, 2012 at 11:24 AM

It’s OK. Obama will bring Hawaii to DC. Save travel costs. Of course he’ll get waivers from the EPA. Paul-Cincy on December 21, 2012 at 11:07 AM

What if it tips over?

Akzed on December 21, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Nevermind that I dropped out of school, tattooed up my face & eat twinkies all day. Sometimes you have to hit bottom to wake up.
Until EVERYONE has to make sacrifices, (not just the “wealthy”)nothing will get fixed & no spending cuts will be made.
LET IT BURN!

crowmangler on December 21, 2012 at 11:15 AM

FIFY

weaselyone on December 21, 2012 at 11:29 AM

Plan C…..cliff.

Schools all over the country are closed today due to threats. My workplace has an armed ex cop sitting in the parking lot due to a threat. The idiots in DC disgust me. While no one at the local level can figure out how to deal with life the politicians have no clue how to balance a checkbook and Obama is going to Hawaii.

Wow.

ORconservative on December 21, 2012 at 11:29 AM

This is just what Obama wanted. Since the house is dysfunctional, the Won can just use executive orders, and we will all be beholden to him for letting just keep a few pennies out of our paychecks.

esr1951 on December 21, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Wrong answer. ALL spending MUST originate in the House of Representatives. Obama can not issue any executive order authorizing one single penny of spending. The Senate and the President can agree with the spending appropriations of the House of Representatives or they can veto them, but they cannot authorize one single penny of spending that does not originate in the House of Representatives.

Article 1 Section’s 7, 8, 9; United States Constitution.

SWalker on December 21, 2012 at 11:32 AM

This is crazy. Taxes are going up anyway. We want low taxes for everybody, Obama wants to tax the “rich”. All Boehner needs to do is make sure Democrats own it, vote present or whatever. Passing plan B was a huge mistake, no conservative should be associated with class warfare bill.

When Dems get thier way and nothing changes in economy in the coming months, the public revolt would make 2010 look like child’s play.
Fighting what is going to happen anyway seems stupid to me. Obama’s core economic policy is based on taxing the rich, if it fails Dems got nothing.

celticdefender on December 21, 2012 at 11:32 AM

The president is hoping to get to Hawaii for Christmas – he was planning on leaving town today but without a “fiscal cliff” deal, it’s unclear whether he’ll get to the Aloha State at all for the holiday.

Heh, call me spiteful, but this made me smile. You can bet, however, that there’ll be at least one presidential plane going to Hawaii — can you imagine Michelle’s displeasure??

suzeecue on December 21, 2012 at 11:35 AM

The president is hoping to get to Hawaii for Christmas – he was planning on leaving town today but without a “fiscal cliff” deal, it’s unclear whether he’ll get to the Aloha State at all for the holiday.

HAHAHAHAHAHA! BO give up his Hawaii vacation? Like that will ever happen. It’s possible he’s torn some stomach muscles from laughing so hard over the bullheadedness of the “principled conservative” wing of the GOP which could dampen some of his activities for a day or two, but after than he’ll be on a surfing safari.

Buy Danish on December 21, 2012 at 11:38 AM

This whole thing seems so incredibly stupid to me .
Anyone here ever had or has a job ? Or run I business ?
I’ve done both . When your boss tells you to cut 5% of
your budget you do it . Usually , no one notices a damn
difference .
When you’re the boss and you can’t run a deficit you might work
a few more hours or work a new marketing plan or cut someone’s
hours . Lots of times I didn’t get paid but my people always got
paid .
You’ve got to work harder and smarter but almost always there is
a way to manage .
These jerks in DC can’t even cut 1% accross the board .
Think about it . Yup , incredibly stupid .

Lucano on December 21, 2012 at 11:43 AM

This vote mattered to Boehner.

And he lost it.

And it couldn’t have happened to a more worthless and deserving RINO.

Now how about finishing the job with a vote of “no confidence”

Tim_CA on December 21, 2012 at 11:44 AM

So what’s plan C?

Miss Venezuela just answered that. Don’t y’all understand plain English?

texacalirose on December 21, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Obama could tap her for Secretary of Business.

I watched Miss Universe this week for all of 2 minutes, turned it on just as Miss Venezuela was introduced, and I know Venezuela has a reputation for producing beauties, but I’d never seen a woman walk like that. I better stop or else I’ll start to gush.

Secretary of Business. What business, exactly … :|

Paul-Cincy on December 21, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Dammit!!!

Wasn’t the flying-bird god supposed to take us to meet the sun-god today or sumthin’?

I put on friggin’ sunscreen and everything….

Tim_CA on December 21, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Boehner should go all “Full Tilt Boogie” and break out the old time tested Plan 9

MaxSplinters on December 21, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Present!

cmsinaz on December 21, 2012 at 11:53 AM

HAHAHAHAHAHA! BO give up his Hawaii vacation? Like that will ever happen. It’s possible he’s torn some stomach muscles from laughing so hard over the bullheadedness of the “principled conservative” wing of the GOP which could dampen some of his activities for a day or two, but after than he’ll be on a surfing safari.

Buy Danish on December 21, 2012 at 11:38 AM

Not to worry, Obama knows he can count on his useless Marxist RINO imbeciles to help him finish destroying America.

SWalker on December 21, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Otherwise, we have what our friend Duke calls the Obamamite Maneuver: Call a vote on Obama’s proposal in the House and have all Republicans vote “present.” That way Obama owns the consequences of his bad economic policy without any Republican fingerprints, the fiscal cliff gets avoided, and the debt ceiling remains a bargaining chip for the GOP in February to get real entitlement reform and deficit reduction in place. At least that would be less embarrassing than what happened yesterday in the House.

That should have been Plan A from the get-go then recess.

AH_C on December 21, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Actually, that’s not just bad news for John Boehner.

How is any part of this “bad news” for John Boehner?

He’s jockying to be the next media-appointed Acceptably Moderate Republican Presidential candidate. And this is just a shrewd career move.

logis on December 21, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Plan C: Lasers!

Dongemaharu on December 21, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Plan C: Lasers!

Dongemaharu on December 21, 2012 at 12:11 PM

lol.

Tim_CA on December 21, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Dammit!!!

Wasn’t the flying-bird god supposed to take us to meet the sun-god today or sumthin’?

I put on friggin’ sunscreen and everything….

Tim_CA on December 21, 2012 at 11:47 AM

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We’ll I’ve got some bad news for ya……

In 1582, Pope Gregory XIII authorized for ten days to be dropped from the month of October to adjust the for the proper equinoxes that were out of synch.

In 1752, 11 days were dropped from the month of September in accordance with a 1750 act of the English Parliament. This fixed a discrepancy between a solar year and the Julian Calendar that had grown out-of-sync with the Gregorian Calendar.

And there were other adjustments to the calendar as well.
So the Mayans really had no way of guessing the true date correctly. One recalculation of this Mayan prophecy actually has their EOW date to be
November 6th, 2012.
WTF indeed
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FlaMurph on December 21, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Still don’t understand why the House couldn’t do this in two separate bills. Pass a bill extending the BUSH tax rates under $250,000 and pass a second bill extending the BUSH tax rates for everyone over $250,000. Republicans can vote for both bills. If Obama and the Senate fail to act, they own it.

monalisa on December 21, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Not to worry, Obama knows he can count on his useless Marxist RINO imbeciles to help him finish destroying America.
SWalker on December 21, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Don’t cut off my nose to spite my face=”Marxist”.
Don’t shoot myself in the foot=Marxist
Don’t re-enact Custer’s Last Stand=Marxist

Buy Danish on December 21, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Meet the “Marxists”!: Gabriel Malor, RBPundit, Grover Norquist, Philip Klein, Daniel Foster/NRO…

Buy Danish on December 21, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Plan C, voting present won’t work either. They will just say it wasn’t Obamas real proposal and that’s why no one voted for it. Just like they did with his budgets. They will call it a gimmick to save Ibama any embarrassment.

p0s3r on December 21, 2012 at 1:17 PM

PLAN E, F, G, H, however many it takes till we find ANYONE that is a PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVE that is willing to FIGHT…..and COMMUNICATE EFFECTIVELY Conservatism.

PappyD61 on December 21, 2012 at 10:47 AM

this “we can always win as long as we fight hard” mentality is hilarious. would a true believer force obama to accept a gop plan by the sheer power of his will?

the public already sees the gop as too extreme. putting an unhinged tea partier out there as the party’s leader would be catastrophic for the gop – so i recommend that you go full speed ahead with this plan.

sesquipedalian on December 21, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Not to worry, Obama knows he can count on his useless Marxist RINO imbeciles to help him finish destroying America.

SWalker on December 21, 2012 at 11:56 AM

the gop needs a leader like you, someone who’s unafraid to call people left and right “useless marxist imbeciles” and similar unhinged stuff otherwise known as “communicating conservatism effectively.”

sesquipedalian on December 21, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Don’t cut off my nose to spite my face=”Marxist”.
Don’t shoot myself in the foot=Marxist
Don’t re-enact Custer’s Last Stand=Marxist

Buy Danish on December 21, 2012 at 12:39 PM

We heard all of this 2011-2012. You were wrong, and when your theories were tested against actual physical reality, they were proven wrong, simple as that. You can complain all you like, but if you aren’t able to compromise with the conservative base, you aren’t going to be able to get your agenda through.

Don’t worry, though. I’m sure when amnesty is passed, all those Hispanics will rush to vote Republican and save your party. /

Doomberg on December 21, 2012 at 2:33 PM

You can complain all you like, but if you aren’t able to compromise with the conservative base, you aren’t going to be able to get your agenda through.
Doomberg on December 21, 2012 at 2:33 PM

Ah, so my way or the highway=compromise. Got it!/

Buy Danish on December 21, 2012 at 4:01 PM

Call a vote on Obama’s proposal in the House and have all Republicans vote “present.” That way Obama owns the consequences of his bad economic policy without any Republican fingerprints

Right…just like we made him own the consequences of his policies over the last 4 years, and just like we’re making him own the consequences of his bogus class warfare rhetoric right now. Voting present must be magic or something. It better be, because most of the population doesn’t even know what voting present means.

xblade on December 21, 2012 at 4:14 PM

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