Obama to gun-control petitioners: “We hear you”

posted at 2:46 pm on December 21, 2012 by Allahpundit

Three minutes of video that have less to do with pushing specific policies to reduce gun violence than pushing his supporters to keep up the pressure. One of O’s biggest obstacles in passing something is the public’s notoriously short attention span after a mass shooting. If the White House couldn’t get something through Congress after one of its own members was shot in the head by a lunatic, odds that they’ll get something passed in January, after a long holiday break and more fiscal-cliff clusterfarkery, are low. (Then again, Obama never really tried to pass something after Tucson because, as always, his reelection was more important to him than gun control.) He needs an all-hands-on-deck public pressure campaign by O-bots to keep the heat on, if only so that he can better demagogue Republicans later — the Clinton playbook — for failing to Do Something when the bill fails in the House.

Have a look at Pew’s new poll today to see just how tenuous his position is. Less than a week after 20 kids were killed, he still can’t get to 50 percent on whether it’s more important to “control gun ownership” than protect gun rights. Twenty years ago, 45% said the NRA had too much influence over gun laws; today, just 36% say so. (The number who say the NRA has either too little influence or the right amount exceeds the number who say it has too much.) This is a rare cultural issue on which opinion has become more conservative over time, enough so that O’s worried that even the bully pulpit and a national burst of grief over murdered children won’t be enough to deliver policy change. They might have enough momentum to get a very modest bill done; if they focused exclusively on high-capacity magazines or hollow-point bullets, they might peel off enough Republicans in the House to make it happen. But Obama’s already invested too much rhetorically in something bigger so he’s obviously playing a longer game of getting the House GOP to spike a new assault-weapons ban and then hoping it helps deliver the House back to Pelosi in 2014.

One silver-y lining for Democrats from Pew, though: On this issue as with so many others, younger voters are firmly in their corner.

With the glaring exception of seniors, those demographics break just as you’d expect given the results of the national exit poll in November. But as I say, young voters are the key. Heavy gun regulation is impossible now but, unless something changes, might not be in another 10-20 years. Gun rights advocates had better ramp up their outreach to them, replete with efforts to encourage ownership (which correlates strongly with support for gun rights, as you might expect), to make them more comfortable with guns or else trouble’s on the way.


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blink.

sorry for sounding obnoxious, but ownership and storage are no longer the concern. Eventual disposal is.

WryTrvllr on December 21, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Eventual disposal is.

WryTrvllr on December 21, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Not something I need to worry about. Mine are all gone.

cozmo on December 21, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Funny thing about Bathhouse Barry – he only seems to hear what he wants to hear.

Mr Galt on December 21, 2012 at 7:58 PM

I’m sorry blink

was that meant as an insult?

WryTrvllr on December 21, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Eventual disposal is.

WryTrvllr on December 21, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Not something I need to worry about. Mine are all gone.

cozmo on December 21, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Yep. After I bought the safe, I realized it clashed with the decor (mid-century redneck) so I sold all of it- guns, ammo, safe. At the gun show. To a nice man wearing a “Alcohol/Tobacco/Firearms should be a convenience store” T-shirt.

M240H on December 21, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Blink???

WryTrvllr on December 21, 2012 at 8:06 PM

I’ll take that as yes.

Must be tough going through life with your eyes closed so often.

see something. say something.

WryTrvllr on December 21, 2012 at 8:11 PM

We should insist that Bloomberg and the other big city mayors immediately do the one thing they have in their power to do – order their police forces to switch from semi-automatics to revolvers. Get their semi autos off the street. Let the police go first.

The Buzz on December 21, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Odd, he only “hears” us on issues he agrees on. Other than that he could care less. He is a complete joke. No other prez in my lifetime of either party ever acted with such disregard.

I don’t hear you because I cannot stand to listen to your voice. Your sixth grade level (on a good day) your extra emphasis on “S”, which you learned in speech class, and, your and’s and uh’s.

shar61 on December 21, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Did the scumbag use the rifle, or the pistols? What was left in the car?

cozmo on December 21, 2012 at 7:49 PM

I have read many different accounts of which guns he used…the consensus now say that he used the AR 15 in the shooting and killed himself with one of the handguns. I don’t know what was in the car. I’ve read everything from a shotgun to a rifle…

d1carter on December 21, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Oh, I just don’t stoop to insults very often. At least not on this thread. Have at it.

WryTrvllr on December 21, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Slick Bubba Clintons ban was my kick in the butt to purchase
a few of many types of guns and high cap mags, safe, ammo and
a CCL.

Most are still stored in locked locations. I keep a few handguns and rifles handy. O’Punk has lit that fire once again.
I hear from many and they’re lit up as well.

We hear the punk too.

Texyank on December 21, 2012 at 8:53 PM

The Buzz on December 21, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Um, that’s absotively beautimous!

Chewy the Lab on December 21, 2012 at 9:11 PM

The royal “we.”

besser tot als rot on December 21, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Emotion does not good law make.

hillbillyjim on December 21, 2012 at 9:45 PM

if nothing else works, blame the browns.

sesquipedalian on December 21, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Damn, you are stupid. Where do you think the crime comes from?

Lo and behold, Capehart (Washington Post Reporter) learned something he apparently hadn’t known before: Blacks and Hispanics commit essentially all the violent crime in New York. They are also the most likely crime victims.
Capehart quoted the report for 2010 directly:

“Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter victims are most frequently Black (67.0%) or Hispanic (28.1%). White victims account for (3.2%) of all Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter victims while Asian /Pacific Islanders account for (1.8%) of all Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter victims. The race/ethnicity of known Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter suspects mirrors the victim population with Black (65.3%) and Hispanic (30.6%) suspects accounting for the majority of suspects. White suspects account for (1.8%) of all Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter suspects while Asian/Pacific Islanders accounted for (2.4%) of the known Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter suspects.

“The Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter arrest population is similarly distributed. Black arrestees (53.8%) and Hispanic arrestees (36.4%) account for the majority of Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter arrestees while White arrestees (7.1%) and Asian/Pacific Islander (2.2%) arrestees account for the remaining portions of the Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter arrest population.”[PDF]

Seeing the news so starkly distressed Capehart. He writes:

“In short, 95.1 percent of all murder victims and 95.9 percent of all shooting victims in New York City are black or Hispanic. And 90.2 percent of those arrested for murder and 96.7 percent of those arrested for shooting someone are black and Hispanic. I don’t even know where to begin to describe the horror I still feel looking at those numbers. But the word ‘hunted’ comes to mind.”

I have enclosed the report if you can read. And you wonder why the majority population is afraid of violence?

Bulletchaser on December 21, 2012 at 10:25 PM

If you people were really so worried about gun violence, you would care that Obama sent 1,500 or more guns into Mexico to be used by criminals for drug trafficking, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of people. You have no moral authority here.

Night Owl on December 21, 2012 at 4:43 PM

your fake scandals are boring. i know you’ve tried every angle, but this one ain’t a winner either, sorry.

sesquipedalian on December 21, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting “It didn’t happen,” isn’t going to make it go away.

We can debate whether it was by malice or incompetence until we are all blue in the face, but you cannot honestly deny that F&F happened, that a large number of firearms were provided to known criminals because of it, or that many of them were later used to commit murder and other violent crimes.

It is a matter of public record. You don’t get to pretend that doesn’t exist.

Voyager on December 21, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Trying to figure out whether I want a .45 Glock 21 or a .357 Glock 30. Any ideas?

eva3071 on December 21, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Trying to figure out whether I want a .45 Glock 21 or a .357 Glock 30. Any ideas?

eva3071 on December 21, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Sig Sauer.

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Bulletchaser on December 21, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Illegal aliens / hispanics are also massively disproportionate in our prison populations. There because they are commiting a disproportionate percentage of our violent crimes.

rayra on December 21, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Trying to figure out whether I want a .45 Glock 21 or a .357 Glock 30. Any ideas?

eva3071 on December 21, 2012 at 11:12 PM

.45acp is just as effective, easier to shoot, and the ammo is far more widely available and affordable. .357sig is a dead end. So’s .45GAP, stay away from that.
And if a magazine ban gets passed as a ‘compromise’ measure you’ll be stuck with 10rd mags anyway, so any higher capacity of smaller caliber mags won’t matter.
But all that stuff is selling out too, now, as the totalitarian statists want to ban ALL semi-autos. They want to set back firearms ownership 120 years.

rayra on December 22, 2012 at 12:00 AM

Well. with a .45, I would have available ammunition, and a good balance between accuracy and firepower, so I was leaning towards that caliber. The .357 offered better stopping power.

eva3071 on December 22, 2012 at 12:16 AM

Obama to gun-control petitioners: “We hear you

…We?…turd in his pocket?

KOOLAID2 on December 22, 2012 at 12:22 AM

Well. with a .45, I would have available ammunition, and a good balance between accuracy and firepower, so I was leaning towards that caliber. The .357 offered better stopping power.

eva3071 on December 22, 2012 at 12:16 AM

notsomuch, ‘stopping power’ is a quasi- term. Like ‘power factor’.
A central nervous system hit with either will work fine. Any other sort of hit is as much about permanent wound cavity and bleeding out, than anything else. And in that regard Big & Slow seems to do better. The .357sig or 9mm have more tendency to zip thru, disturbing little.
And given the close statisical average distance of defensive shootings – roughly 7yds – difference in velocity don’t matter a whole lot. The design of the actual bullet seems to matter more than the caliber. And your accuracy.
The .357sig is a bit snappy, tought ot control for folks with weak wrists, slight frames or without sufficient practice. Which are pretty much the reasons it didn’t grow much into the civilian market. Accurate follow-up shots with it are more difficult.
But it makes a dandy round for small hands, espeically in double stack magazines. Which the .45 does not.
Just saw an ad for the new Springfield XDS in .45acp. single stack, trim little pistol but reportedly quite controllable. Seems to be my ideal of a perfect CCW piece. Alas I am in Los Angeles county and cannot get such a permit.
I have an LC9 which is also a nice trim CCW-sized pistol, but it is quite snappy. Took a lot of practice to get good follow-up shots with it.

rayra on December 22, 2012 at 12:54 AM

…We?…turd in his pocket?

KOOLAID2 on December 22, 2012 at 12:22 AM

“… Hanky-Poo, the Cliff-mas Poo, you love him and he loves you…”

rayra on December 22, 2012 at 12:55 AM

rayra on December 22, 2012 at 12:54 AM

Well, .45 caliber it is then.

eva3071 on December 22, 2012 at 1:07 AM

OBAMA IS NOT MY PRESIDENT

claudius on December 21, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Obama is not America’s president.

Sterling Holobyte on December 22, 2012 at 1:29 AM

“You’ve started something and now I’m asking you to keep at it.”

“If they bring a knife you bring a… uhhhh.”

Sterling Holobyte on December 22, 2012 at 1:36 AM

We established however some, although not all its [self-government] important principles . The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved,) or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed;
—Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824. Memorial Edition 16:45, Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.

No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
—Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776.

Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.
—Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).

Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American…[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.
—Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

[W]hen the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually…I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers. But I cannot say who will be the militia of the future day. If that paper on the table gets no alteration, the militia of the future day may not consist of all classes, high and low, and rich and poor…
—George Mason

“And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; …”
Samuel Adams
quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, “Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State”

“Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.”
George Washington
First President of the United States

“What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.”
Thomas Jefferson
to James Madison

rayra on December 22, 2012 at 1:48 AM

Just saw an ad for the new Springfield XDS in .45acp. single stack, trim little pistol but reportedly quite controllable. Seems to be my ideal of a perfect CCW piece. Alas I am in Los Angeles county and cannot get such a permit.
I have an LC9 which is also a nice trim CCW-sized pistol, but it is quite snappy. Took a lot of practice to get good follow-up shots with it.

rayra on December 22, 2012 at 12:54 AM

Very nice, you are becoming one of my favorite posters here. Great info. Hey, I fired that XDS.45 at a Springfield event held at the corner gunstore here recently. “Snappy” is a very apt description for this one too. .45 is a lot of recoil for any small frame gun to absorb. The XDS feels great in your hand. I carry my LC9 in my cellpal, with a .22mag derringer by North American Arms in the iphone case. I love shooting that LC9

Harbingeing on December 22, 2012 at 2:04 AM

Hey, thanks. Yes, the LC9 is nice, Ruger has really worked a wonder with their new trigger designs. The LCR, LCP, LC9, a little practice to adjust to teh LACK of stacking and you can control the break easily for better accuracy. Lots of long-time double-action revolver shooters curse the feel at first because it’s different.
Got to shoot an SR9 a few months ago, that was real nice too. Ruger’s really been putting out some nice products. Reason they stopped taking orders back in March, when they got a Million orders / units behind.
The sales, NICS and order tallies for this month are going to be so far off-scale, it’ll make the antis even more desperate to confiscate everything.

rayra on December 22, 2012 at 6:07 AM

I have a very strict gun control policy: if there’s a gun around, I want to be in control of it.
-Clint Eastwood

My take.

kingsjester on December 22, 2012 at 7:43 AM

If you people were really so worried about gun violence, you would care that Obama sent 1,500 or more guns into Mexico to be used by criminals for drug trafficking, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of people. You have no moral authority here.

Night Owl on December 21, 2012 at 4:43 PM

your fake scandals are boring. i know you’ve tried every angle, but this one ain’t a winner either, sorry.

sesquipedalian on December 21, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting “It didn’t happen,” isn’t going to make it go away.

We can debate whether it was by malice or incompetence until we are all blue in the face, but you cannot honestly deny that F&F happened, that a large number of firearms were provided to known criminals because of it, or that many of them were later used to commit murder and other violent crimes.

It is a matter of public record. You don’t get to pretend that doesn’t exist.

Voyager on December 21, 2012 at 11:10

Probably the most eloquent defense of the truth. Thanks Voyager.

itsspideyman on December 22, 2012 at 8:21 AM

This poll is a fraud!

With Independents favoring the 2nd Amendment by 5 and with Republicans breaking almost as hard for the 2nd Amendment as Democrats against, Democrats have to be way over 50% or the sample for the poll to show a 5 point lead against.

Why are we posting garbage like this?

elfman on December 22, 2012 at 8:25 AM

yeah the poll is a fraud, and Obama is not a Judge. He needs to not play games with this. We know he hates the Constitution. He’ll try to alter some things without directly lunging at the Constitution so it looks like he’s not violating his oath of office. This stuff has already been argued, fought form blood shed over it, and everything else way way way back during the American Revolution. He knows it. He comments on it. He has no fear of reelection problems now so I’d suspect after all the swearing in for the next 4 years, he’ll unload on this country.

johnnyU on December 22, 2012 at 10:37 AM

So if the gun lobby wants to reach out to the young then it seems to me the most effective way of doing that is by getting in to schools to show these next generation of young that a firearm IS safe to use, own and operate.

Also, pardon the pun, target teachers and anyone in positions of influence over the young.

Get in to colleges, get in to universities, get rifle clubs up and running in schools…like we used to have when we were kids back in the 70′s and 80′s.

Encourage ROTC’s and encourage young adults to get in to other military type organisations.

Boom…problem solved with dealing with the young and easily influenced.

Mailman

mailman on December 22, 2012 at 11:07 AM

“Guess when the first school massacre took place?”

Allidunce: 1999. More than 4 deaths

RWM: No. 1764 – Greencastle, Pennsylvania: 4 Lenape American Indian warriors entered a log schoolhouse. Inside were the schoolmaster, Enoch Brown, and twelve young students. Brown pleaded with the warriors to spare the children before being shot and scalped. The warriors then began to tomahawk and scalp the children; killing nine or ten of them (reports vary). Two children who had been scalped survived. 11 dead.

Allidunce: This kind of post promotes racism toward Native Americans.

RWM: Moron, it is the first school shooting in the American colonies. Should we not talk about gun crime when minorities are the killers?

Resist We Much on December 23, 2012 at 1:43 PM

New i-Term:

“Tinkerbelle Legislation”

In this case, one wave of the magic wand — er, passing of a new gun law and POUFF!! guns will instantly disappear from the hands of criminals and the unworthy.

Seasons Greetings All!

jamesgreenidge on December 23, 2012 at 4:36 PM

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