What is there to negotiate???

The Democrats are pretending that they already have agreement to “no limit on spending…EVER,” and are trying to get the Republicans bickering about the size and shape of the white flag to be used in the formal surrender.

But no such agreement has been secured. We will not sacrifice our children and grandchildren to government.

Maybe it is just as well this happened.

StargazerA5 on December 22, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Mr. Obama had said he would veto this bill. That’s part of the political game — if the other side won’t negotiate with you, you do something to shift the blame to the other side.

There was no way this bill was going to reach Mr. Obama. It incorporated Mr. Obama’s horse-trading on entitlements, and it went beyond Mr. Obama’s negotiated position of keeping the tax cuts for those making $750K or less. The Democrats were already screaming at the fact that Mr. Obama had negotiated cuts in entitlements, and this thing wasn’t going to get through the Senate at all — for to do so would be to completly throw the Democrats off their game as the supposed protectors of the greyest generation.

Mr. Boehner had already gotten some give-in from Mr. Obama on the matter of entitlements — and had included those wins in the bill. He’d already protected about nearly one hundred percent of the middle class and the rich (there really aren’t that many people making $1M or more). As much as we might be against raising taxes, this was an excellent time to win some street cred which would serve us well in the next election. Instead, we now look like a bunch of has-beens.

I see nothing good of this — nothing good at all.

Owebama is NOT stupid. He knows exactly what he’s doing and Boehner played right into his hands. Boehner had no business calling for a vote.

katablog.com on December 22, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Barky is a stone-cold idiot. He is as dumb as they come. But, he had nothing to do with any of this. Boner was negotiating against himself. Barky never offered anything.

Of course, Boner had no business calling for a vote. Boner had no business “negotiating” without a partner (as Barky has never negotiated anything in good faith – it’s not part of his cultural foundation) and, even in that, Boner had no business negotiating without asking those he was negotiating for how far he could go.

But, Barky had nothing to do with this as he never offered anything. This was all Boner beating himself up and expecting that the GOP was going to rubber stamp any idiocy he proposed.

In trading, Boner did what we would call “eighthing himself” but he did it over and over and he did it without having the authorization to even make any of the offers. He’s an idiot. He should be run out of Washington. Of course, the House bears some responsibility in all this since they should have thrown the dipsh!t out of the Speakership by March of 2011. Why the House GOP let this fool stay in the Speakership for all this time (when he has done tons of serious damage, including “negotiating” this pathetic Sequester as the giveback from Barky and the Dems in order to raise the debt limit for them last time – LOL)is totally beyond me. It has been too obvious for years that Boner was destructive and stupid. Heck, that fool couldn’t even bring himself to force one full reading of ObamaCare on the floor in order to stop or slow its passage. That’s why I NEVER supported the idiot for Speaker and never understood anyone who did.

So what exactly has he given in these negotiations besides the finger?

stukinIL4now on December 21, 2012 at 10:03 PM

That’s the point. Had the Republicans passed this compromise bill — which raises taxes on real millionaires, a position the Republicans have been against for months — and a position which Mr. Obama said he would veto — it would have been obvious to the American people just who was at fault for the logjam.

Instead, the Republicans look like a fractured, weak crew — which, of course, at this point they are.

In the upcoming negotiations, we will be negotiating from weakness, not strength. Having raised everyone’s taxes through inaction is not the way to win hearts and influence minds.

There’s no way Mr. Obama will be blamed for this now — he’s “above it all”, and, rewinding to Mr. Clinton’s days — he’s the one who will, in the end, reap the reward of this Republican train wreck.

WH announces POTUS and First family will depart White House for Hawaii tonight.

— Major Garrett(@MajorCBS) December 21, 2012

So, the Sun King goes to Versailles while the people are dying in the streets. This worked out so well for the last Sun King.

Maybe it is just as well this happened.

Why does anyone even bother reporting the trash that dribbles out of his 84 IQ pea-brain?

Owebama is NOT stupid. He knows exactly what he’s doing and Boehner played right into his hands. Boehner had no business calling for a vote.

Some blame the House for going home. What to do when the other side (owebama) went to Hawaii? I guess they could have all stayed and discussed things with themselves.

Bottom line: they are all jokes. Dems, GOP, Owebama. We the People are the losers. Our country is gone; now they want all our money.

Exactly. But behold the courage of the “principled conservatives”! All sound and fury signifying absolutely nothing.

Buy Danish on December 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM

When did you become Greek?

Just do whatever the muslims want and we’ll all be able to coexist peacefully.

The details of the proposal dont matter at all: this was a vote of confidence and Boehner lost it. A more adept politician would never have called the vote, but, then again, a more adept politician wouldn’t have spent the last month alienating the very Tea Party caucus that had put him into the Speakership in the first place.

So, there’s your reason AP.

Absolutely nothing was gained by blocking Plan B. The fact House conservatives decided that making tax cuts permanent for the vast majority of people wasn’t good enough because millionaires would pay more-in a bill that wasn’t going to be signed into law anyway-and decided to undercut their own weak position as a result, is incredibly short-sighted.
changer1701 on December 21, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Exactly. But behold the courage of the “principled conservatives”! All sound and fury signifying absolutely nothing.

He should just go gorge himself on Chi-hua-hua and shut the hell up.

In which case, what’s been achieved by weakening Boehner’s hand?

That we aren’t Boehner’s bitches AP. That is what is achieved. This is not the first time people were shut out and told they needed to get on board to “support” Boehner.

Yeah, adjourning the House is a great way to show the American people you’re negotiating in good faith.

libfreeordie on December 21, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Pau.

Fixed! :)

Anti-Control on December 21, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Thank you, need sleep, jet lag.

Yeah, adjourning the House is a great way to show the American people you’re negotiating in good faith.

libfreeordie on December 21, 2012 at 7:05 PM

libfreeordie, I want you to give me 100% of all your assets. Please negotiate with me in good faith. If you refuse, then you’re just an obstructionist.

Merry Christmas

gophergirl on December 21, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Thanks, likewise. :)

You will have to do better than linking to anything Think Progress has to say or taking anything libfreeliveenslavedordie says seriously.

JPeterman on December 21, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Fixed! :)

libfreeordie on December 21, 2012 at 8:39 PM

You will have to do better than linking to anything Think Progress has to say.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/12/21/1370961/boehner-conservative-republicans-who-opposed-plan-b-are-drowning-the-country/?mobile=wt