Obama on the fiscal cliff: We can still get this done if everyone just gives a little bit

posted at 6:51 pm on December 21, 2012 by Allahpundit

I thought he might go out there and twist the knife on Boehner’s humiliation last night, claiming that the GOP can’t stop protecting millionaires from tax hikes even when their own Speaker is begging them to do it. Nope. He took the old, trusty above-the-fray approach, which makes sense under the circumstances. As wounded as Boehner is, O still needs him to get something passed, even if it’s a simple matter of convincing him to bring a compromise bill to the floor next week that the GOP hates in hopes that the Democrats plus 30 or so centrist Republicans can push it through. If Obama had seized the opportunity today to gloat over Plan B’s failure, it might have rallied the fractured GOP caucus behind Boehner, which in turn would have cost O his newfound leverage. By spooning out oatmeal about compromise and tax cuts for the middle class instead, he leaves Boehner alone to clean up his own mess.

Anyway. Someone explain to me what was gained last night by blocking Plan B. I realize the bill was never going to pass the Senate. So what? The point was to show Obama that House Democrats are irrelevant to this process because Boehner could muster a majority on his own. That would have forced O to move towards the GOP’s numbers on taxes to find a compromise; as it is, now that Boehner’s shown that he does need Democrats to pass something, O’s going to move in the opposite direction to make life easier for Pelosi. Case in point, he’s reportedly now weighing a bill that would allow the Bush tax cuts to expire on everyone who makes $250,000 or more, which will draw plenty of Democratic votes and a few from the Tom Cole wing of the GOP caucus. That threshold is lower than his previous compromise offer to Boehner, which limited the new tax hikes to people who earn $400,000 and up. If you make between $250K and $400K, last night’s fiasco may end up costing you a lot in extra taxes. As Conn Carroll put it, by thwarting Boehner, House conservatives essentially chose irrelevance by ensuring that their policy concerns are replaced by Democratic ones in the final bill. I could understand that if this was all part of a “let it burn” strategy, where the GOP decides to give the Democrats everything they want and then vote present in the interest of letting Dems take full responsibility for the economy, but they’re not letting it burn. Whatever finally passes will do so with a few dozen Republican votes. In which case, what’s been achieved by weakening Boehner’s hand? Is Philip Klein right that this all boils down essentially to a semantic distinction? I.e. in order for the GOP to keep its “no tax hikes” pledge, we first have to let those tax hikes take effect automatically on January 1 so that we can then vote to lower them rather than vote now to extend the current rates for everyone except a small class of millionaires? In other words, it’s better to have taxes go up on everyone who makes $250K+ next year than it is to ensure that they only go up for people who $400K+ (or even more) by making a deal right now? That can’t be what this is about, can it?

To some extent, I think Obama now holds Boehner’s Speakership in his hands. If he insists on lowering the income threshold for new taxes to $250,000 and refuses to budge, to the point where Boehner feels obliged to bring O’s plan to the floor and let Democrats pass it with a bit of Republican help, then he’s likely done as Speaker. There’ll be too much unhappiness among the GOP caucus over a deal like that for him to survive. The question for Obama is, would he prefer to deal with Boehner in the future or would he prefer a more conservative Speaker who’s likely to drive a harder bargain? It’s risky for him and the Dems to do anything that might lead to further budget standoffs with the GOP because, as president, O may ultimately be held responsible for the ensuing economic damage from those standoffs. If he wants to roll the dice on a more conservative Speaker, he needs to be very sure that the left’s message machine can successfully frame Republican congressmen as responsible for that damage ahead of 2014. If they can’t, then he’ll be stuck with a sluggish economy and a House that’s even more intractably opposed to his agenda with little relief to come at the polls two years from now.

Oh well. At least we know he’s taking this very, very seriously:

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Does the right even understand the hilsarity of their failure to get “Plan B” to come to….fruition?

libfreeordie on December 21, 2012 at 6:54 PM

I am so tired of the left.

rob verdi on December 21, 2012 at 6:55 PM

I agree with him. If those House Democrats would have supported a bill to raise taxes on only those making $1M or more a year, things would have been great.

ButterflyDragon on December 21, 2012 at 6:56 PM

libfreeordie ,
do you even grasp the policies you support are unsustainable to the point of total society collapse?

rob verdi on December 21, 2012 at 6:57 PM

Let it burn.

Metanis on December 21, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Of course, by everybody, Obama doesn’t mean him or his crew…

Obama and the Democrats/Libs want the “Bush Tax Cuts/Rates” to expire so that they can become the “Obama Tax Cuts” and “correct” the error of Bush’s election in 2000…

They never got over it. They can’t move on.

Of course, we do expect that from those that are emotionally stunted.

ProfShadow on December 21, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Anyway. Someone explain to me what was gained last night by blocking Plan B. I realize the bill was never going to pass the Senate. So what? The point was to show Obama that House Democrats are irrelevant to this process because Boehner could muster a majority on his own. That would have forced O to move towards the GOP’s numbers on taxes to find a compromise; as it is, now that Boehner’s shown that he does need Democrats to pass something, O’s going to move in the opposite direction to make life easier for Pelosi.

Not really.

Boehner can easily muster a majority on his own by extending ALL tax cuts and slashing spending by $6 trillion so that the tax cuts are “paid for”.

Have the CBO score it, make sure it comes out as deficit-neutral or reducing, then kick it to the Senate, adjourn the House, and watch Obama, Pelosi, and Reid have a seizure.

northdallasthirty on December 21, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Everyone needs to give? You first.

Actually, just give us the best gift possible. Resign.

dczombie on December 21, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Absolutely nothing was gained by blocking Plan B. The fact House conservatives decided that making tax cuts permanent for the vast majority of people wasn’t good enough because millionaires would pay more-in a bill that wasn’t going to be signed into law anyway-and decided to undercut their own weak position as a result, is incredibly short-sighted.

Ah well. It’s not the stupid party for nothing.

changer1701 on December 21, 2012 at 7:02 PM

libfreeordie ,
do you even grasp the policies you support are unsustainable to the point of total society collapse?

rob verdi on December 21, 2012 at 6:57 PM

No.

Because the racist halfwit thinks its pathetic sniveling ass is going to be first in line to receive the “redistribution” checks.

Having never paid taxes in its worthless life, libfreeordie does not understand the cost of them.

northdallasthirty on December 21, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Boehner feels obliged to bring O’s plan to the floor and let Democrats pass it with a bit of Republican help, then he’s likely done as Speaker.

He would not do that, as he follows the “majority of the majority” rule. No bill comes to the floor without a majority of the votes of the majority party for it.

Wethal on December 21, 2012 at 7:03 PM

libfreeordie ,
do you even grasp the policies you support are unsustainable to the point of total society collapse?

rob verdi on December 21, 2012 at 6:57 PM

Libfreeordie doesn’t care. His whole life is instant gratification. He doesn’t think about 10 years down the road..

melle1228 on December 21, 2012 at 7:03 PM

Having both Ryam and Cantor onboard protects Boehner’s job.

Illinidiva on December 21, 2012 at 7:03 PM

Knock yourself out Barry.

Mr. Arrogant on December 21, 2012 at 7:04 PM

ave the CBO score it, make sure it comes out as deficit-neutral or reducing, then kick it to the Senate, adjourn the House, and watch Obama, Pelosi, and Reid have a seizure.

northdallasthirty on December 21, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Yeah, adjourning the House is a great way to show the American people you’re negotiating in good faith.

libfreeordie on December 21, 2012 at 7:05 PM

“I actually still think we can get it done.”

We? We?? All Obama has done is put out roadblocks and throw gasoline bombs.

VorDaj on December 21, 2012 at 7:10 PM

Aloha…

Seven Percent Solution on December 21, 2012 at 7:11 PM

northdallasthirty on December 21, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Yeah, adjourning the House is a great way to show the American people you’re negotiating in good faith.

libfreeordie on December 21, 2012 at 7:05 PM

You’re right they should take their families to Hawaii for 3 weeks of sun and fun instead.

RickB on December 21, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Yeah, adjourning the Housespending a 4 million dollar vacation in Hawaii is a great way to show the American people you’re negotiating in good faith.

libfreeordie on December 21, 2012 at 7:05 PM

melle1228 on December 21, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Yeah, adjourning the House is a great way to show the American people you’re negotiating in good faith.

libfreeordie on December 21, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Yeah, the should all go on a Royal Vacation to Hawaii with some very angry woman with a very huge ass and a very ugly mouth.

VorDaj on December 21, 2012 at 7:13 PM

The point was to show Obama that House Democrats are irrelevant to this process because Boehner could muster a majority on his own.

And all it would cost us is our reputation on one of our base principles.

I’d really hate to be stuck in a foxhole with ya partner.

Tim_CA on December 21, 2012 at 7:14 PM

Hopefully nothing will get done.

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 7:14 PM

Boehner has been putty in Obama’s hands. Boehner got us into this predicament and now is clueless on getting us out.

Boehner is a patriotic American, a good human being, but a lousy leader. With this thug in the WH, we need a pit bull, not a mouse.

petefrt on December 21, 2012 at 7:16 PM

The left expects me to share my wealth. I think it’s time for us to share some pain. Let the taxes go up. Not my choice. Glad to share though.

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 7:17 PM

libfreeordie , do you even grasp the policies you support are unsustainable to the point of total society collapse?
rob verdi on December 21, 2012 at 6:57 PM

Libfleeorlie believes that to be a feature, not a bug.

LegendHasIt on December 21, 2012 at 7:18 PM

With this thug in the WH, we need a pit bull, not a mouse.

petefrt on December 21, 2012 at 7:16 PM

+1000

Tim_CA on December 21, 2012 at 7:19 PM

, then he’s likely done as Speaker.

And who will be his replacement?

JPeterman on December 21, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Oh, shut up, turdhead.

Pork-Chop on December 21, 2012 at 7:20 PM

We? We?? All Obama has done is put out roadblocks and throw gasoline bombs.

VorDaj on December 21, 2012 at 7:10 PM

For all of his “fail”, at least 0dumba’s audacity, narcissism and cluelessness does provide a lot of entertainment. :)

Anti-Control on December 21, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Boehner is such a terrible poker player that if he were dealt 4 aces, he would throw away the aces and keep the other card. I think he may have alcohol poisoning.

VorDaj on December 21, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Why can’t Boehner just say he has stomach flu and a concussion and disappear. The media believed Hillary when she did that.

VorDaj on December 21, 2012 at 7:22 PM

Oh, shut up, turdhead.

Pork-Chop on December 21, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Which one, Princess Boehner or King Obama?

JPeterman on December 21, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Boehner is such a terrible poker player that if he were dealt 4 aces, he would throw away the aces and keep the other card. I think he may have alcohol poisoning.

VorDaj on December 21, 2012 at 7:21 PM

lol

Anti-Control on December 21, 2012 at 7:23 PM

For all of his “fail”, at least 0dumba’s audacity, narcissism and cluelessness does provide a lot of entertainment. :)

Anti-Control on December 21, 2012 at 7:20 PM

lol…and that’s how we have to look at it for the next 4 years.

Watch the spectacle….make life miserable for the RINO’s, and try to keep a sense of humor.

Tim_CA on December 21, 2012 at 7:23 PM

And who will be his replacement?

JPeterman on December 21, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Obama? He basically already has.

VorDaj on December 21, 2012 at 7:25 PM

We’ve run up a 16 Trillion dollar debt under the stellar political leadership of the Boehner’s, Reid’s and Obama’s in Washington, but let’s blame 20 conservative that don’t want to play some silly tax increase game that would fund the federal government for a handful of days.
It’s a sad, sick joke on all of us.

lowandslow on December 21, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Obama on the fiscal cliff: We can still get this done if everyone just gives a little bit

Code for Do it my way and I’ll invite you to some Whiehouse dinner or something and my friends will allow you to go to some Beltway cocktail parties — and we’ll really, really like you, honest

clippermiami on December 21, 2012 at 7:27 PM

libfree:

even the conservative block knows when to sell their votes.

WryTrvllr on December 21, 2012 at 7:28 PM

We’ve run up a 16 Trillion dollar debt under the stellar political leadership of the Boehner’s, Reid’s and Obama’s in Washington, but let’s blame 20 conservative that don’t want to play some silly tax increase game that would fund the federal government for a handful of days.
It’s a sad, sick joke on all of us.

lowandslow on December 21, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Yeppers and what is even worse is that people on “our” side is tarring and feathering them as bad as Dems..

melle1228 on December 21, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Dear President Obama, dropping your demand to control all spending over the next two years does not constitute “giving a little bit”

Wendya on December 21, 2012 at 7:29 PM

We’ve run up a 16 Trillion dollar debt under the stellar political leadership of the Boehner’s, Reid’s and Obama’s in Washington, but let’s blame 20 conservative that don’t want to play some silly tax increase game that would fund the federal government for a handful of days.
It’s a sad, sick joke on all of us.

lowandslow on December 21, 2012 at 7:26 PM

perfect.

Tim_CA on December 21, 2012 at 7:29 PM

I truly hate this POS arsehole of a President, and I’ve had a hard time hating anyone in my life. May all those who voted for this cretin rot in hell!

Thomas More on December 21, 2012 at 7:29 PM

High time we double the debt and taxes. Long overdue. Say maybe we can double the cost of healthcare too, or should we strive to cover half as many people?

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 7:30 PM

And who will be his replacement?

JPeterman on December 21, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Hopefully someone who can keep their eyes dry and their spine stiff.

predator on December 21, 2012 at 7:30 PM

lol…and that’s how we have to look at it for the next 4 years.

Watch the spectacle….make life miserable for the RINO’s, and try to keep a sense of humor.

Tim_CA on December 21, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Yep!

I look at the slow-thinking 0dumba like he’s an animal in a zoo, realize that that simple creature is our Prez, and wonder how in the heck he could have fooled so many people into voting for him – then I look around at the large number of dimwits surrounding us who do trust and believe in him, and it begins to make sense to me…

Anti-Control on December 21, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Lets do both, we can’t afford not to.

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 7:31 PM

High time we double the debt and taxes. Long overdue. Say maybe we can double the cost of healthcare too, or should we strive to cover half as many people?

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 7:30 PM

And don’t forget printing money. We need to print a whole lot more.

L.I.B.

predator on December 21, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Maybe we can wipe out the R party while we are at it.

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 7:32 PM

I truly hate this POS arsehole of a President, and I’ve had a hard time hating anyone in my life. May all those who voted for this cretin rot in hell!

Thomas More on December 21, 2012 at 7:29 PM

A wise person once said:

For all of his “fail”, at least 0dumba’s audacity, narcissism and cluelessness does provide a lot of entertainment. :)

Anti-Control on December 21, 2012 at 7:20 PM

and I tend to agree….lol.

Tim_CA on December 21, 2012 at 7:33 PM

“I will not rest until (fill in the blank).”

How did this POS get elected for a SECOND TIME?!?

This country can’t survive those voters in the long run.

RedNewEnglander on December 21, 2012 at 7:33 PM

We’ve run up a 16 Trillion dollar debt under the stellar political leadership of the Boehner’s, Reid’s and Obama’s in Washington, but let’s blame 20 conservative that don’t want to play some silly tax increase game that would fund the federal government for a handful of days.
It’s a sad, sick joke on all of us.

lowandslow on December 21, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Yep, they all broke it, won’t budge to fix it while we all suffer the consequences of their stupidity.

JPeterman on December 21, 2012 at 7:33 PM

predator!!! Glad you reminded me! We need to print enough money so we have to use wheelbarrows to haul it all around.

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 7:33 PM

RedNewEnglander, that’s easy, we just have to double the number of low info voters and we’ll be fine.

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Glad you reminded me! We need to print enough money so we have to use wheelbarrows to haul it all around.

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Absolutely. Who doesn’t want to pay $1000 for a loaf of bread? Personally, I can’t wait.

predator on December 21, 2012 at 7:36 PM

predator, it is good bread though. Makes a great sammich!

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 7:36 PM

Yeah, adjourning the House is a great way to show the American people you’re negotiating in good faith.
 
libfreeordie on December 21, 2012 at 7:05 PM

 

WH announces POTUS and First family will depart White House for Hawaii tonight.
 
— Major Garrett(@MajorCBS) December 21, 2012

 
Nicely done, professor.

rogerb on December 21, 2012 at 7:37 PM

I’m going Galt until this nightmare has ended.

petefrt on December 21, 2012 at 7:38 PM

predator, it is good bread though. Makes a great sammich!

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 7:36 PM

A guy could make a wicked PB&J for a paltry two grand or so! Yummmmmm!

predator on December 21, 2012 at 7:40 PM

And who will be his replacement?

JPeterman on December 21, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Hopefully someone who can keep their eyes dry and their spine stiff.

predator on December 21, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Newt.

davidk on December 21, 2012 at 7:41 PM

URGENT: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/coworkers-attacked-by-gas-645132

davidk on December 21, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Here is our next Sandra Fluke.

“I need the taxpayers to fund my Beano!”

predator on December 21, 2012 at 7:42 PM

RedNewEnglander on December 21, 2012 at 7:33 PM

It is open for debate if we will survive them in the short run. To early to talk about the long run.

chemman on December 21, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Since we’re paying millions for Obama’s vacation, will we ever know the final tally? What a guy. Leaves the country just where he wants it, higher taxes (eg. payroll, Medicare, dividends taxed as ordinary income, done with the Bush tax cuts), & his approval numbers climb. He’s slicker than Willy.

The attached link states that the AMT will effect at least 27 million taxpayers; hope most of them voted for Obama.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2012/11/10/tax-increases-looming-in-2013-who-pays-how-much-and-will-they-stick/

Belle on December 21, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Yep, they all broke it, won’t budge to fix it while we all suffer the consequences of their stupidity.

JPeterman on December 21, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Yep. I never realized that “standing on principle” meant “doing nothing”.

Priscilla on December 21, 2012 at 7:48 PM

My Mom says its time we go back to using ice boxes. She misses the ice man Mr. Messick. He never minded the children bothering him for the little shards of ice that fell to the ground as he chipped the blocks to fit all the different size ice boxes. Lets double icebox usage!

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 7:48 PM

And who will be his replacement?

JPeterman on December 21, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Hopefully someone who can keep their eyes dry and their spine stiff.

predator on December 21, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Newt.

davidk on December 21, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Umm……No.

JPeterman on December 21, 2012 at 7:49 PM

This whole thing, particularly the messaging, has been a catastrophe. Complete GOP incompetence at every level.

aquaviva on December 21, 2012 at 7:51 PM

Umm……No.

JPeterman on December 21, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Aw, come on. He would bring the “Moon Colonies” bill to a vote like that! *snaps fingers*

predator on December 21, 2012 at 7:53 PM

She also points out, that while she believes hot water on demand to be a great achievement from the last century. It has spoiled children. We need to go back to the days of cold water only. Double our cold water use!

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Why cant the House just pass a bill that makes the Bush tax cuts permanent and cuts a crap load of spending? Pass something that all the cons in the house like and then let the senate vote it down. At least they can say they tried something.

Jack_Burton on December 21, 2012 at 7:55 PM

So you want to do something eh Priscilla? How about this, cut everyone’s taxes and cut spending, throw in entitlement reform while you’re at it. Dare I say double entitlement reform!

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 7:55 PM

We need to go back to the days of cold water only. Double our cold water use!

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 7:53 PM

When I was a young’n my mom and grandma used to put out buckets to catch rain water to use for washing our hair. Didn’t want to pay for tap water to do that. We also took baths in a galvanized tub with heated water. Filled the tub with water heated on the wood stove.

predator on December 21, 2012 at 7:55 PM

So Nostradamus what makes you think the Speaker HAS to bring a bill to the floor for Obama? He’s said no deal is better than bad one. As for cutting one that has to be passed with a democrat majority that’s not going to happen. If Obama wants two years at the bottom of the cliff on the chance he’ll get Nancy for his last two. That’s probably what he’ll get. And a GOP House after 2014. They can’t rig those district elections with big city vote dumps.

bluesdoc70 on December 21, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Mom says when she was a child, there was no money to be had, but you had freedom. Lets get rid of money and double our freedom!

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 7:57 PM

I would really like to express my assessment of Dear Leader but in this regime, that would not be prudent.

Dingbat63 on December 21, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Lets get rid of money and double our freedom!

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 7:57 PM

When the doc makes a house call just pay him with a couple of chickens or a basket of veggies from the garden.

I can feel the economy getting better already.

predator on December 21, 2012 at 8:00 PM

predator on December 21, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Mom says she remembers those tubs! And the nice winter morning walks out to the outhouse. Double our use of outhouses?!?!

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Aw, come on. He would bring the “Moon Colonies” bill to a vote like that! *snaps fingers*

predator on December 21, 2012 at 7:53 PM

I think I went to the moon last night :(

JPeterman on December 21, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Help me out here…

Didn’t both sides and both houses of Congress agree to sequestration? And, didn’t Obama sign it? Why the panic. Both sides agreed to this. Why is the sky falling?

Fallon on December 21, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Double our use of outhouses?!?!

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 8:01 PM

We’ll need to re-introduce the Sears catalog. That’ll put some folks to work.

More good economic news!

*That’s it, I’m running for Prez in ’16*

predator on December 21, 2012 at 8:04 PM

predator on December 21, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Mom says she doesn’t remember a whole lot of doctoring growing up. But when the Dr. Did come round, Pop didn’t/couldn’t spare chickens. Big family, needed the chickens. Mom says the Dr. Got paid in fine furniture Pop made.

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Wonder if Santa-Barry sends his bro that lives in the hut wish you here cards from paradise? All that brother’s keeper stuff isn’t just for MSNBC and the rubes is it?

bluesdoc70 on December 21, 2012 at 8:05 PM

… And then he took a strut to his trio of helicopters to fly to his pair of 747s and 4 C-17s, carrying sealed fuel trucks, armored limos and SUVs and paramilitary SWAT vans, and a coterie of 400 agents, guards, combat medics, escorts, pals, press, body-men and trained military personnel and aviators, to take them all away from their families, so one exceedingly greedy self-centered entitlement-minded bunch of shitbags can spend $150,000,000 on Christmas vacation in Hawaii.

rayra on December 21, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Both sides agreed to this. Why is the sky falling?

Fallon on December 21, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Because they didn’t really, really think it would actually come to this.

predator on December 21, 2012 at 8:06 PM

When I was a young’n my mom and grandma used to put out buckets to catch rain water to use for washing our hair. Didn’t want to pay for tap water to do that. We also took baths in a galvanized tub with heated water. Filled the tub with water heated on the wood stove.

predator on December 21, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Mom heated the water on a gas stove but same difference. All six kids took baths in the water with a boost of warm water between each one. In the summer the tub went outside. My kids say I was raised in the 1800s.

Fallon on December 21, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Umm……No.

JPeterman on December 21, 2012 at 7:49 PM

I am having second thoughts: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gingrich-gop-must-accommodate-and-deal-reality-same-sex-marriage

davidk on December 21, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Mom heated the water on a gas stove but same difference. All six kids took baths in the water with a boost of warm water between each one. In the summer the tub went outside. My kids say I was raised in the 1800s.

Fallon on December 21, 2012 at 8:06 PM

I remember a galvanized tub and assembly line baths.

In the ’50s.

davidk on December 21, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Mom says she doesn’t remember a whole lot of doctoring growing up. But when the Dr. Did come round, Pop didn’t/couldn’t spare chickens. Big family, needed the chickens. Mom says the Dr. Got paid in fine furniture Pop made.

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 8:05 PM

He didn’t come often. We took care of most ailments. Maybe come ’round to set the occasional broken bone or remove the occasional musket ball.

predator on December 21, 2012 at 8:08 PM

I am having second thoughts: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gingrich-gop-must-accommodate-and-deal-reality-same-sex-marriage

davidk on December 21, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Compliments of Resist We Much from last night:

This.

And this.

predator on December 21, 2012 at 8:10 PM

My kids say I was raised in the 1800s.

Fallon on December 21, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Same with some of the kids I tell about things like this. When in reality it was the 1950s. *I was kidding about the musket balls. We had modern, 1950s type ammo*

BTW–John Hammar, the Marine in jail in Mexico is to be freed tonight.

predator on December 21, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Depression babies who had nothing, have so much to share. I love mine. ; )

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Mom says when she was a child, there was no money to be had, but you had freedom. Lets get rid of money and double our freedom!

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 7:57 PM

‘freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose’. And when a hundred million gun owners are driven into poverty by leftist policy, driven to the brink of starvation, well, the marxist left will have brought about their desired revolution. By it’ll be the Marxists getting butchered.

rayra on December 21, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Merry Christmas

gophergirl on December 21, 2012 at 8:19 PM

I am having second thoughts: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gingrich-gop-must-accommodate-and-deal-reality-same-sex-marriage

davidk on December 21, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Don’t forget his wild idea of “community panels” who will decide who stays and who goes.

JPeterman on December 21, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Libfreeordie doesn’t care. His whole life is instant gratification. He doesn’t think about 10 years down the road..

melle1228 on December 21, 2012 at 7:03 PM

Actually, I think libfree cares alot, just like other liberals. Except they hate this country, that’s why they try so hard to change it into something it was never meant to be…a socialist state.

2lbsTest on December 21, 2012 at 8:23 PM

I loved the hot water heated on the woodstove,,

Until I was old enough to chop wood.(not true, actually. I loved chopping wood)

wolly4321 on December 21, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Boehners just accused tea party of “drowning the country.” *pops popcorn*

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/12/21/1370961/boehner-conservative-republicans-who-opposed-plan-b-are-drowning-the-country/?mobile=wt

libfreeordie on December 21, 2012 at 8:39 PM

libfreeordie on December 21, 2012 at 8:39 PM

You will have to do better than linking to anything Think Progress has to say.

JPeterman on December 21, 2012 at 8:42 PM

You will have to do better than linking to anything Think Progress has to say or taking anything libfreeliveenslavedordie says seriously.

JPeterman on December 21, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Fixed! :)

Anti-Control on December 21, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Merry Christmas

gophergirl on December 21, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Thanks, likewise. :)

Anti-Control on December 21, 2012 at 8:53 PM

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