NRA chief: “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun”

posted at 2:01 pm on December 21, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

The National Rifle Association gave their first press conference following the Newtown massacre on Friday, during which Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre offered a number of solutions to prevent mass shootings, such as having armed guards in every school, as well as criticisms ranging from the culture of violence-as-entertainment and the media’s demonization of guns in general (transcript here):

As brave and heroic and as self-sacrificing as those teachers were in those classrooms and as prompt and professional and well- trained as those police were when they responded, they were unable — through no fault of their own, unable to stop it.

As parents we do everything we can to keep our children safe. It’s now time for us to assume responsibility for our schools. The only way — the only way to stop a monster from killing our kids is to be personally involved and invested in a plan of absolute protection.

The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. …

I call on Congress today, to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation. And, to do it now to make sure that blanket safety is in place when our kids return to school in January. …

Every school is gonna have a different solution based on its own unique situation. Every school in America needs to immediately identify, dedicate and deploy the resources necessary to put these security forces in place, though, right now.

And the National Rifle Association, as America’s preeminent trainer of law enforcement and security personnel for the past 50 years — we have 11,000 police training instructors in the NRA — is ready, willing and uniquely qualified to help. …

If we truly cherish our kids, more than our money, more than our celebrities, more than our sports stadiums, we must give them the greatest level of protection possible. And that security is only available with properly trained, armed good guys. Under Asa’s leadership, our team of security experts will make this program available to the world for protecting our children in school. And we’ll make the program available to every single school in America, free of charge. That’s a plan of action that can, and will make a real positive, indisputable difference in the safety of our children, and it will start right now.

I don’t know about having an armed public servant stationed in every school; that is an assuredly expensive endeavor that is better left to federalism, although the NRA was likely going for some popular appeal with that suggestion and a few others. But, I am completely on board with the sentiment that this immediate reaction against all types of guns is ridiculous, and the very idea of merely declaring schools to be “gun-free zones” as the best method of protecting our children is utter folly (full blogger’s disclosure: I am an NRA member). Whether it’s with “assault” weapons or semiautomatics or what have you, a determined murderer is rarely-to-never going to be stopped by people who are themselves unarmed. We can do better than merely calling for more demonstrably failed gun-control measures as the only way of enhancing public safety and security, and every other pro-gun idea is categorically and irrevocably declared out of the question.

Of course, there was probably nothing the NRA could say that was ever going to play over well with the media and progressives regardless of the content — and predictably, nothing really did (although, funnily enough, LaPierre talked up some of the ideas that Congressional Democrats have already proposed in Newtown’s wake without a major media backlash… hmmm…).


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I’m a liberal, but I agree with everything he said and I’m not anti-gun.

However, I agree with his idea of having staffed guards at schools. Arming every single teacher with a gun in class however, I’m not a fan. I don’t trust the stability of many teachers themselves to not one day snap during class and shoot a student. I say that partially tongue-in-cheek but seriously believe the best solution is armed guards.

I would not mind a tax increase to support this.

Realclearblue on December 21, 2012 at 2:57 PM

PolAgnostic on December 21, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Thank you, Pol.
I don’t have children and my nephew is still a baby.
Getting my head around all this.

bazil9 on December 21, 2012 at 2:57 PM

You can’t get a real job?

Yes, I do have a real job as a business analyst. Writing about games is a hobby/second-source of income. Also, free games. :P

NRA is an easy target to avoid getting at the problem…and yeah I do think Hollywood and video games need to be included in the discussion. But once again we prove that the best defense is a good offense.

teejk

It’s not that game violence shouldn’t be brought in the discussion it’s how LaPierre attacked. He did so in a way that exposes ignorance of the subject and attacked the game industry viciously instead of thoughtfully.

Ultimately, I though LaPierre overshadowed his more salient points by using demagogic rhetoric in regards to the games industry and Hollywood.

Personally, I think games, Hollywood AND guns are tertiary topics next to the question of the mental stability, isolation and desperation that sends these young men on killing rampages.

Queasy on December 21, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Was sifting through a video game website I used to frequent where conservatives are greatly out numbered, my God the level of stupidity that permeated the thread was mind blowing. I couldn’t take it anymore. Between the moron Americans who love Call of Duty but pretend to hate guns and the European fascists who concern troll about American violence while ignoring their own, my head was gonna explode.

Gamers are going to throw gun rights under the bus if it saves their precious First Person Shooters. Feel free to check it out if you wish.

jawkneemusic on December 21, 2012 at 2:59 PM

This guy shouldn’t quit his day job…

Kaptain Amerika on December 21, 2012 at 2:59 PM

Hi Schadenfreude.
I’ll answer.
As you know, an absolutely absurd point…equating the security needs of the family of the POTUS with everyone else in the world.
There are rational arguments to be made, but coldwarrior is offering nonsense.

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Hi verbaluce,

Nothing absurd at all. In the USA all citizens are equal, under the constitution and the law, or at least they were.

Only hypocrites promote protection for some and not for others.

Schadenfreude on December 21, 2012 at 2:59 PM

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:11 PM

You’re an idiot.

And you’re too stupid to be allowed to walk out in public without a keeper.

Why would you denigrate the NRA’s efforts to help schools – free of charge – with their security planning?
At least the NRA is willing to bear the cost of doing something positive……

while your “pResident” has done nothing – - except remove money for school security from the ‘budget’. (I wonder where that money will be spent. Maybe it’ll go to one of lil barry’s green energy cronies – instead of protecting children.
Or, maybe it’ll finance that $4million Hawaiian vacay for his chub-butt mate and their brats.)

Solaratov on December 21, 2012 at 3:00 PM

F*cking d-bag says nothing about mental illness, just calls for more guns.

Useless piece of sh*t speech .

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 3:00 PM

But, I am completely on board with the sentiment that this immediate reaction against all types of guns is ridiculous…
-POSTED AT 2:01 PM ON DECEMBER 21, 2012 BY ERIKA JOHNSEN

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Erika,
Maybe you’re not following the actual debate and what is actually being discussed and debated. There really hasn’t been a ‘reaction against all types of guns’. There has certainly been a huge reaction against certain types of guns.
Maybe what you meant to say was ‘But, I am completely on board with the sentiment that this immediate reaction against ANY type of gun at all is ridiculous…’.
Unless that’s not how you feel?

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:23 PM

.
The reaction against “certain types of guns” is just as rediculous.

listens2glenn on December 21, 2012 at 3:01 PM

Realclearblue on December 21, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Kudos for thinking it through and not emoting Utopian pap.

Schadenfreude on December 21, 2012 at 3:01 PM

We need sub-stations in schools. A certain number of cops work from the police station, you spread them out into the schools.

The infrastructure for communications and space is all that’s needed. And that’s just to retro-fit the old schools.

New schools can be designed with a police sub-station in it.

But, it’s a local thing. It’s something each state needs to do. Not the federal government.

ButterflyDragon on December 21, 2012 at 2:45 PM

This is a good idea. Substations are often used in crime-plagued Malls. co-locating police substations with schools is a great solution, particularly in small towns where there’s a closer correlation between number of schools and police stations. But in such locaitons they really don’t have enough officers. Nowhere does, really.
example, the Devonshire Division of LAPD covers the northwest quadrant of San Fernando Valley, in north L.A. Their district is something like 8mi x 4mi of dense suburbia. Probably 400,000 people. There are at least 25 public schools in that district. At least as many private schools and hundreds of daycares. They have TWELVE patrol cars per shift.

rayra on December 21, 2012 at 3:01 PM

Hi verbaluce,
Nothing absurd at all. In the USA all citizens are equal, under the constitution and the law, or at least they were.
Only hypocrites promote protection for some and not for others.
Schadenfreude on December 21, 2012 at 2:59 PM

Liberals don’t believe we’re all created equal. If they did they wouldn’t murderer a million babies each and every year. They’re tyrants at heart.

jawkneemusic on December 21, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Nothing changed… If you disagree with someone here, you have to be a lib.

That’s why you guys are running things right now, and have a great chance in 2014…/

Whatever helps you sleep at night…… {eyes rolling}

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on December 21, 2012 at 3:03 PM

It doesn’t have to be expensive to have an armed presence in your school. Our district sent out a letter to parents on Monday outlining our safety measures and reminding them that we have school resource officers who are “armed at all times” on the premises. They are regular city police officers who do their shifts at our schools when school is in session and specially trained to deal with students.

The reaction to this letter was 100% positive. Parents are very relieved to know that we have thought of these things and made preparations to deal with an incident.

Also we practice Active Shooter Drills with all of our local and state law enforcement every year. They know the buildings, they know the students, and they know our community. Since I work with these officers every single day, I have absolutely no doubt they would stop a gunman in our building or die trying.

Of course, federal funding for all of this was cut, but our school district and our state government felt it was important to safeguard our kids and so we are doing it ourselves without federal funds.

And frankly, as heartwarming as it is to hear the POTUS tell everyone that your dead kids are everyone’s dead kids, it’s even more wonderful to not have to hear from him at all.

Lily on December 21, 2012 at 3:04 PM

F*cking d-bag says nothing about mental illness, just calls for more guns.

Useless piece of sh*t speech .

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 3:00 PM

So you concur that Mental illness killed the 26 in Newton, and not guns?

portlandon on December 21, 2012 at 3:05 PM

F*cking d-bag says nothing about mental illness, just calls for more guns.

Useless piece of sh*t speech .

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 3:00 PM

.
American adults who are not handicapped, and are not “gun-saavy and disciplined” are a little better than useless pieces of citizenry.

listens2glenn on December 21, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Lily on December 21, 2012 at 3:04 PM

Good post.

bazil9 on December 21, 2012 at 3:09 PM

I’m a proud NRA member. The left isn’t just talking, they really do hate us. That’s probably enough justification to arm up in itself.

claudius on December 21, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Exactly. “Fear the politician that fears your guns.”

rayra on December 21, 2012 at 3:09 PM

Arming every single teacher with a gun in class however, I’m not a fan. I don’t trust the stability of many teachers themselves to not one day snap during class and shoot a student. I say that partially tongue-in-cheek but seriously believe the best solution is armed guards.

I would not mind a tax increase to support this.

Realclearblue on December 21, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Saltysam on December 21, 2012 at 3:10 PM

So you concur that Mental illness killed the 26 in Newton, and not guns?

portlandon on December 21, 2012 at 3:05 PM
———–
Lanka should not have been taught to shoot guns by his moron gun loving mother.

Lanka should not have been able to access his moron gun loving mother’s guns.

Lanka should have been receiving the medical help he needed but did not, because of his non-attention-paying family and friends: Mother, father, sibling(s), aunts, uncles, etc.

Piece of shit Lapierre doesn’t even mention mental illness.

He blames a lack of guns for preventing the massacre rather than blaming the obvious enormous failures by multiple people (Lanka’s family and friends) and enforcement of current gun control laws (or the implementation of new laws to make things safer for everybody).

F*ck him and the horse he rode in on.

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM

*cking d-bag says nothing about mental illness, just calls for more guns.

Useless piece of sh*t speech .

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Prime example of who should not have a gun.

Jabberwock on December 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM

My husband is an SRO (Student Resource Officer) in one of our local high schools. There is also 1 in the Junior High. It is very effective with violence. He has had a horrible week leading up today with threats of violence from some kids who were going to shoot up the school, he was the one who worked on that, found the source and the kids responsible.

akerralls on December 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM

From The Onion…and a few months ago…not recently –
‘Yeah, Something Like 1,000 Dead Kids,’ Reports Spokesperson
 
verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:16 PM

 
I’m surprised their little bones can support the weight of your dancing.
 
I, and likely most other parents, would ask you to stop joking around about these real dead children.
 
Thanks.

rogerb on December 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM

Of course, there was probably nothing the NRA could say that was ever going to play over well with the media and progressives regardless of the content

Gee Erika, really? Nothing?

“Today I’m announcing that the NRA will work to ban ammunition clips and magazines that hold more than 10 bullets.”

I suspect that statement would have gone over quite well with the public and garnered a lot of good will for the NRA. Instead, LaPierre has confirmed that the organization he heads can’t come up with any response except “more guns”.

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM

“The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun”

Absolutely, either by police good guys or trained school staff selected for this responsibility. Anything else is stupid.

Chessplayer on December 21, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM

Lanza. Get a grip.

Jabberwock on December 21, 2012 at 3:15 PM

F*cking d-bag says nothing about mental illness, just calls for more guns.
 
Useless piece of sh*t speech .
 
Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 3:00 PM

 

Piece of shit Lapierre doesn’t even mention mental illness.
 
F*ck him and the horse he rode in on.
 
Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM

 
Weird. It’s almost like you don’t really know what you’re talking about and post based on a sort of religious belief:
 

“A dozen more killers, a hundred more? How can we possibly even guess how many, given our nation’s refusal to create an active national database of the mentally ill?”
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/remarks-from-the-nra-press-conference-on-sandy-hook-school-shooting-delivered-on-dec-21-2012-transcript/2012/12/21/bd1841fe-4b88-11e2-a6a6-aabac85e8036_story_1.html

rogerb on December 21, 2012 at 3:16 PM

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:55 PM

ah go f*ck yourself. When the revolution your people are trying to trigger finally kicks off, I’m going to put leftists like you into mass graves.
We are NOT going to let you national-socialist bastards get away with it again. Not HERE, and your ilk know it. That’s why you are all trying so hard to tear down the 2nd Amendment. You know you can’t get your freak on while the population is so heavily armed.
Obama’s Weather Ungerground mentors laid out their plans for political genocide 40yrs ago. -http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/276377.php
We know what you are working towards, with this disarmament bullshit. And we’ll kill you, before you can complete your plans to kill us.

/btw, Brownell’s sold 3-1/2 YEARS worth of 30rd magazines over the last 36hrs. Looks like Obama has ‘Firearm Salesman of the Year’ sown up again.

rayra on December 21, 2012 at 3:19 PM

I, and likely most other parents, would ask you to stop joking around about these real dead children.

Thanks.

rogerb on December 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM

The article referenced was written back in May.
And with all due respect, save this parent the self-righteous sanctimony.
I don’t suggest anyone here, regardless of their viewpoint on gun control, takes lightly the harm that came to those kids last week.
So don’t you cast cast such aspersions.

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 3:19 PM

F*cking d-bag says nothing about mental illness, just calls for more guns.

Useless piece of sh*t speech .

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Another fine example of the intelligence and eloquence on the Left and the true nature of the contributions they have to make to the discussion.

novaculus on December 21, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Or, maybe it’ll finance that $4million Hawaiian vacay for his chub-butt mate and their brats.)

Solaratov on December 21, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Your poor guy.

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 3:22 PM

rogerb on December 21, 2012 at 3:16 PM

If LaPierre said anything about mental illness, the media would shred him for trying to deflect blame from the decided cause of choice: guns. Also, his ‘insensitivity to the plight of the mentally ill and their families’, he’s not an expert, and every other thing they could devise.

It’s smoke and mirrors on the part of the MSM, because they have decided the cause of this latest tragedy. All the rest is to keep skewering a political enemy.

Liam on December 21, 2012 at 3:23 PM

ah go f*ck yourself. When the revolution your people are trying to trigger finally kicks off, I’m going to put leftists like you into mass graves.
We are NOT going to let you national-socialist bastards get away with it again. Not HERE, and your ilk know it. That’s why you are all trying so hard to tear down the 2nd Amendment. You know you can’t get your freak on while the population is so heavily armed.
Obama’s Weather Ungerground mentors laid out their plans for political genocide 40yrs ago. -http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/276377.php
We know what you are working towards, with this disarmament bullshit. And we’ll kill you, before you can complete your plans to kill us.

/btw, Brownell’s sold 3-1/2 YEARS worth of 30rd magazines over the last 36hrs. Looks like Obama has ‘Firearm Salesman of the Year’ sown up again.

rayra on December 21, 2012 at 3:19 PM

I gotta say…kinda awesome that you want Ed to ban me for ‘dropping turds’ here…when this is what you have to offer?
Ha.
Hey, just get some fresh air. And have a good holiday.

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 3:25 PM

You gun grabbers are stupid. Not smart enough to honestly witness what has occurred. No fixing stupid. Pathetic little cowardly fools the lot of you. You have no need for the protection of rights. Your belief system relies on others to secure for you. How would you have these rights secured if you are so willing to relinquish the responsibility of them to others?

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 3:26 PM

I don’t suggest anyone here, regardless of their viewpoint on gun control, takes lightly the harm that came to those kids last week.
 
verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 3:19 PM

 

From The Onion…and a few months ago…not recently –
 
NRA Sets 1,000 Killed In School Shooting As Amount It Would Take For Them To Reconsider Much Of Anything
‘Yeah, Something Like 1,000 Dead Kids,’ Reports Spokesperson
 
verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:16 PM

rogerb on December 21, 2012 at 3:26 PM

F*cking d-bag says nothing about mental illness, just calls for more guns.

Useless piece of sh*t speech .

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 3:00 PM

False. He called for a national mental health database, I assume for the background checks.

Malls, office buildings, banks, sporting events etc all have armed security. Why deny that to schools? Many schools already have it anyway. Why not all? (Leaving aside the questions of how to implement this.)

juliesa on December 21, 2012 at 3:27 PM

Arming every single teacher with a gun in class however, I’m not a fan. I don’t trust the stability of many teachers themselves to not one day snap during class and shoot a student. I say that partially tongue-in-cheek but seriously believe the best solution is armed guards.

Realclearblue on December 21, 2012 at 2:57 PM

I don’t trust the stability of many armed guards either…but I think at the very least mandatory armed guards is a step in the right direction. As far as teachers are concerned, they should not be denied the right to carry. I believe that public schools should require multiple armed and trained personnel (like, say…6), be it regular staff or guards, as one armed person among the unarmed is the situation we need to eliminate.

I would not mind a tax increase growth economy to support this.

Realclearblue on December 21, 2012 at 2:57 PM

FIFY.

Saltysam on December 21, 2012 at 3:28 PM

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM

Here’s anotehr retard that thinks 10rd magazines will change the behaviour of psychotic murderers / criminals. Chamberlains, the lot of them, willing to give up anything in exchange for nothing.

rayra on December 21, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Hi verbaluce,
Nothing absurd at all. In the USA all citizens are equal, under the constitution and the law, or at least they were.
Only hypocrites promote protection for some and not for others.
Schadenfreude on December 21, 2012 at 2:59 PM

You’re reaching… reaching here…
Not all citizens are in equal circumstances.
Or do you suggest there should be crossing guards in fields as well as roads?
Come on…don’t try so hard to always disagree with me?

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 3:31 PM

F*cking d-bag says nothing about mental illness, just calls for more guns.

Useless piece of sh*t speech .

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 3:00 PM

U mad?

Good Lt on December 21, 2012 at 3:32 PM

“Today I’m announcing that the NRA will work to ban ammunition clips and magazines that hold more than 10 bullets.”

I suspect that statement would have gone over quite well with the public and garnered a lot of good will for the NRA. Instead, LaPierre has confirmed that the organization he heads can’t come up with any response except “more guns”.

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM

Actually that statement would have gone over like a lead balloon with anyone who actually knows anything about the issue. It wouldn’t even have gone over very well with ignorant knee-jerk gun haters who care more about the perception of safety than what actually keeps people safe. Nothing he would have said would have appeased them.

But, just to be clear, you do not need one single solitary extra gun more than law enforcement already has to put an armed presence in our schools to guard children. The guns already exist it’s just that, thanks to ignorant fools, in most schools the only people who have one in a shooting incident are the criminals. And people like the miserable child killing weasle at Sandy Hook do not care one little bit about an “assault weapons” ban or how many rounds he can legally have.

But to people like you, any guns allowed at all is a call for More Guns.

It is already as illegal as it is ever going to get to go into a school and shoot a bunch of innocents. What possible law can we enact that will cause an insane manic to look up from his plans for suicide by mass-murder and say, “Oh my, I can’t use THAT weapon. It’s banned. And these three bullets are just not enough for what I have planned. I had better scrap my evil schemes and take up stamp collecting.”

Lily on December 21, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Not all citizens are in equal circumstances.

That doesn’t mean that all law-abiding citizens aren’t entitled to protect themselves from criminals, whether that’s by the law enforcement community or by their own selves.

Good Lt on December 21, 2012 at 3:33 PM

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:26 PM

If Obama is really against gun violence, why did he allow over 1,500 “assault rifles” to be sold when he knew they were going to be used in drug trafficking and other illegal activities, resulting in hundreds of deaths? Your side does not have the moral authority to be talking about any type of gun restrictions until he is willing to discuss that. The fact that you don’t have a problem with it makes you one of the biggest hypocrites ever.

Night Owl on December 21, 2012 at 3:33 PM

rayra on December 21, 2012 at 3:28 PM

It’s progress. The other night they were advocating for firearms that could only load six rounds. They negotiate a lot like John Boehner:

“You want a $2 Trillion dollar debt ceiling raise? I’ll counter with $4 Trillion, and that’s my final offer.”

Left Coast Right Mind on December 21, 2012 at 3:34 PM

F*cking d-bag says nothing about mental illness, just calls for more banning of guns.

Useless piece of sh*t .

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Yes.

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 3:35 PM

RE: gun free zones –

There is a term for those who are either unwilling or unable to meet threatening force with equivalent or greater force. We call these people “victims”.

LooseCannon on December 21, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Good speech. Arming every teacher needs to be qualified. It should not be mandatory and you have to recognize that not everyone is cut out to be a shooter.

As far as armed guards, I think we have to look at this like 9/11. We live in a different world than the one where you didn’t have to worry about school shootings. Armed school guards, like rubber gloves for TSA agents, are a modern inconvenience and necessity.

CrustyB on December 21, 2012 at 3:36 PM

rogerb on December 21, 2012 at 3:26 PM

You keep being the cut & paste quotes guy taking cheap and silly shots.
I’ll continue to advocate for the well being and safety your kids.

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Night Owl on December 21, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Save it for the next F&F thread.
(Though been a while, huh? That was supposed to be HUGE.)

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 3:37 PM

You keep being the cut & paste quotes guy taking cheap and silly shots.
I’ll continue to advocate for the well being and safety your kids.

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Nothing cheap or silly about it, other than its stuff you continuously say. Are you saying those comments are not yours?

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 3:42 PM

Just curious verbaluce, how do you protect yourself?

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 3:44 PM

Actually that statement would have gone over like a lead balloon with anyone who actually knows anything about the issue. It wouldn’t even have gone over very well with ignorant knee-jerk gun haters who care more about the perception of safety than what actually keeps people safe. Nothing he would have said would have appeased them.

And I think you are wrong. High-capacity magazines are unnecessary to the right to keep and bear arms.

But, just to be clear, you do not need one single solitary extra gun more than law enforcement already has to put an armed presence in our schools to guard children. The guns already exist it’s just that, thanks to ignorant fools, in most schools the only people who have one in a shooting incident are the criminals. And people like the miserable child killing weasle at Sandy Hook do not care one little bit about an “assault weapons” ban or how many rounds he can legally have.

But to people like you, any guns allowed at all is a call for More Guns.

It is already as illegal as it is ever going to get to go into a school and shoot a bunch of innocents. What possible law can we enact that will cause an insane manic to look up from his plans for suicide by mass-murder and say, “Oh my, I can’t use THAT weapon. It’s banned. And these three bullets are just not enough for what I have planned. I had better scrap my evil schemes and take up stamp collecting.”

Lily on December 21, 2012 at 3:32 PM

There is no single solution that will prevent mass shootings, but we can begin to take reasonable steps that don’t infringe on responsible gun owners.

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 3:46 PM

Useless piece of sh*t>>>>>>> .

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 3:00 PM

True, drywall. You are, indeed.

Solaratov on December 21, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Foolish. chump, are you a gun expert?

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 3:49 PM

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on December 21, 2012 at 3:03 PM

“The only things one finds in.the.middle of the road are a yellow stripe and a lot of dead chickens.”
—-M.Thatcher

Solaratov on December 21, 2012 at 3:49 PM

Foolish. chump, are you a gun expert?

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 3:49 PM

No.

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 3:50 PM

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 3:46 PM

We tried a high-cap mag ban from 1994-2004. It didn’t do one damned thing about crime.

JohnTant on December 21, 2012 at 3:50 PM

Dear verbaluce, I don’t try hard at all. Didsagreeing with you is easy. But you are a good sport :)

Schadenfreude on December 21, 2012 at 3:52 PM

I’ll continue to advocate for the well being and safety your kids.

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Which consists of putting them in gunfree zones which, so far, is working fabuously. Any thoughts on how to handle the problem with child drownings?

a capella on December 21, 2012 at 3:52 PM

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 3:50 PM

It shows. You a mental health expert?

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 3:52 PM

Lanka should not have been taught to shoot guns by his moron gun loving mother.

Lanka should not have been able to access his moron gun loving mother’s guns.

Lanka should have been receiving the medical help he needed but did not, because of his non-attention-paying family and friends: Mother, father, sibling(s), aunts, uncles, etc.

Piece of shit Lapierre doesn’t even mention mental illness.

He blames a lack of guns for preventing the massacre rather than blaming the obvious enormous failures by multiple people (Lanka’s family and friends) and enforcement of current gun control laws (or the implementation of new laws to make things safer for everybody).

F*ck him and the horse he rode in on.

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM

80% of this is Lies, lies, and more Lies.

Just because you make the claims doesn’t make them so.

Schadenfreude on December 21, 2012 at 3:52 PM

You can tell when a COnservative like LaPierre speaks the truth. Our Leberal trolls are beside themselves in their righteous concern.

kingsjester on December 21, 2012 at 3:53 PM


verbaluce
, you’re evading me.

Cross-posting from the “The new horizon of gun control, Part 4” thread:

How does taking away someone’s right of self defense protect them?

Galt2009
on December 21, 2012 at 10:21 AM
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How are any of the hypothetical proposals presumed to do that?

verbaluce
on December 21, 2012 at 10:23 AM

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Are there or are there not proposals to ban private ownership of civilian (semi-auto) models of military (full-auto) rifles, and carbines?

listens2glenn on December 21, 2012 at 1:17 PM
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Is this for me?
Yes, that seems to be the essence of what’s be proposed.
Again.

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 1:31 PM

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If you’re acknowledging this, then it’s hardly “hypothetical”.
The Second Amendment is FIRST, about self defense against a Tyranical government. Common criminals come after that.
Then dangerous/nuisance animals … and so on.

Citizens should be allowed to possess the same weaponry as your local and state police. Anything less than that, means your ability to defend yourself against a tyrannical government is compromised. Period.
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My 1:24 PM comment is for you, as well. Reposting:

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 1:12 PM

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For full-auto, I’m for licensing. Should licensing be Federal or State controlled? That’s another argument.

Civilian (semi-auto) models of fully-auto military rifles and carbines should be no more restricted than a breech loading single shot .22LR.

listens2glenn on December 21, 2012 at 1:24 PM

listens2glenn on December 21, 2012 at 3:53 PM

I don’t suggest anyone here, regardless of their viewpoint on gun control, takes lightly the harm that came to those kids last week.
 
verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 3:19 PM

 

NRA Sets 1,000 Killed In School Shooting As Amount It Would Take For Them To Reconsider Much Of Anything
‘Yeah, Something Like 1,000 Dead Kids,’ Reports Spokesperson
 
verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:16 PM

 
You keep being the cut & paste quotes guy taking cheap and silly shots.
I’ll continue to advocate for the well being and safety your kids.
 
verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 3:36 PM

 
Sorry, did I misunderstand your link? Were you referencing it jokingly because of some other recent mass murder of children?

rogerb on December 21, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Save it for the next F&F thread.
(Though been a while, huh? That was supposed to be HUGE.)

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Why? It shows your side is very selective in your “outrage” when it comes to gun violence. It only matters when you can score, right?

Night Owl on December 21, 2012 at 3:54 PM

For Rywall

Also, DR, Obama never mentioned mental illness. Why do you give him a break?

Schadenfreude on December 21, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM

Why don’t you take care of your own country instead of bothering us here in America? Just because you people prefer to live as serfs in a socialist “utopia”, doesn’t mean that we want to. At least, not the majority.

btw; the kid’s name was Lanza, you stupid little twit.

Just stick to being a rejected politician, why don’t you?
Yeah, yeah, yeah…damn, dumb voters. LOL@U

Solaratov on December 21, 2012 at 3:55 PM

“From my cold dead hands, baby”

mechkiller_k on December 21, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Read up.

It’s very significant.

Schadenfreude on December 21, 2012 at 3:56 PM

It shows. You a mental health expert?

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 3:52 PM

Are you writing a book?
If you have a comment to make, make it. I’m finished with your version of 20 questions.

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 3:56 PM

There is no single solution that will prevent mass shootings, but we can begin to take reasonable steps that don’t infringe on responsible gun owners. chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 3:46 PM

Y’mean override the SC Heller decision? Like that? Who gets to define “responsible?” The ATF? That ATF?

a capella on December 21, 2012 at 3:56 PM

I don’t understand the uproar of having an armed police officer in schools? My middle and high schools both had a police officer in the building the vast majority of the time. This was in safe, small-town Menasha, Wisconsin where the biggest crime in the area was graffiti.

Having a police officer in the building is a good idea; it increases the chances that a gunman will be stopped if he tries to enter a school to kill children. It’s dishonest to say otherwise.

drewwerd on December 21, 2012 at 3:56 PM

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM

So, you’re too stupid to know what the ‘Onion’ is?

That’s not surprising. Goes along with you being stupid enough to be a leftist.

Solaratov on December 21, 2012 at 3:59 PM

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 3:56 PM

These questions to taxing on you? Figures. Deep thinking not your strong suit I’ve noticed. Had the questions been difficult or plentiful I might understand your consternation. You didn’t make it through the second. Weak.

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 4:00 PM

There is no single solution that will prevent mass shootings, but we can begin to take reasonable steps that don’t infringe on responsible gun owners.

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 3:46 PM

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Removing firearms that are capable of enabling a private citizen to defend themself against government tyranny, renders the Second Amendment null and void. It does so without actually holding a Constitutional Convention to properly rescind it.

listens2glenn on December 21, 2012 at 4:00 PM

rogerb on December 21, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Heh. Ziiiinng! You are a treasure.

a capella on December 21, 2012 at 4:01 PM

So, you’re too stupid to know what the ‘Onion’ is?

That’s not surprising. Goes along with you being stupid enough to be a leftist.

Solaratov on December 21, 2012 at 3:59 PM

PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!

BOO!

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 4:01 PM

P.S. chump, just curious. What exactly is your area of expertise? Not in the form of a question. Pretend.

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM

Lanza. Get a grip.

Jabberwock on December 21, 2012 at 3:15 PM

As hysterical as drywall is, I do hope that responsible adults have made sure that there are no unsecured guns near him.
He sounds as though he’s ready to snap. IYKWIMAITYD
Perhaps he’s off his medication.

Solaratov on December 21, 2012 at 4:02 PM

These questions to taxing on you? Figures. Deep thinking not your strong suit I’ve noticed. Had the questions been difficult or plentiful I might understand your consternation. You didn’t make it through the second. Weak.

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Still butt-sore from Nov. 6,eh?

I’m putting you back on “ignore”.

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 4:03 PM

BOO!

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 4:01 PM

Brought to you by, deep thinking with chump.

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Hi Schadenfreude.
I’ll answer.
As you know, an absolutely absurd point…equating the security needs of the family of the POTUS with everyone else in the world.
There are rational arguments to be made, but coldwarrior is offering nonsense.

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:51 PM

What part of ‘Created Equal’ do you not understand? Obama is not a king. He is a man who gets tax payer funded 24 hour security so he doesn’t have to worry about his or his families safety. Someone else does it for him and is paid to do it. So the Founders gave us the Second Amendment so we can look after our selves on a level playing field. Politicians who are armed to the teeth do not get to tell me to rely on the cops for my safety while they get to rely on there 24/7 armed escort. It’s because of you leftists so many people are buying guns. Those willing to try and take our weapons away are willing to do far worse once the weapons are gone. We don’t trust you tyrants. You people are far too invested in telling other people how to live their lives. That has never worked out well in history when its done to a populous that is unarmed. The Founders understood this, hence we got the Second Amendment to prevent people like you from creating a tyranny to rule over us.

jawkneemusic on December 21, 2012 at 4:04 PM

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Again? Well slit my wrists. The deep thinking chump hath shunned me. Pussie.

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 4:05 PM

It’s progress. The other night they were advocating for firearms that could only load six rounds. They negotiate a lot like John Boehner:

“You want a $2 Trillion dollar debt ceiling raise? I’ll counter with $4 Trillion, and that’s my final offer.”

Left Coast Right Mind on December 21, 2012 at 3:34 PM

Sad but True!

/lol

rayra on December 21, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Solaratov on December 21, 2012 at 4:02 PM

He has periodic episodes. Goes from very high and excitable to very low and depressed. He’s been here a long time. It’s a pattern.

a capella on December 21, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Solaratov on December 21, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Your poor guy.

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Not my guy, obot. He and his are all yours.

You drones really are stupid people.

Solaratov on December 21, 2012 at 4:06 PM

chump, you please me.

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 4:06 PM

As hysterical as drywall is, I do hope that responsible adults have made sure that there are no unsecured guns near him.
He sounds as though he’s ready to snap. IYKWIMAITYD
Perhaps he’s off his medication.

Solaratov on December 21, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Just remember from last week, that when leftists commit violent acts it is because they were goaded into it, and therefore not at all responsible for their actions.

Night Owl on December 21, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Again? Well slit my wrists. The deep thinking chump hath shunned me. Pussie.

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Just a delaying tactic. He’s presently on Google, frantically trying to acquaint himself with how guns work and what ballistics means..

a capella on December 21, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Isn’t it interesting that verbal-douche and his leftist brethern have absolutely nothing at all to say about their ‘lord and savior’ cutting money out of the ‘budget’ for school emergency planning grants – last year – and for “Secure Our Schools” policing grants in the next.

Of course, there are al queda and the muslum brotherhood to be financed. Priorities, I suppose.

Solaratov on December 21, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Hey, I seem to remember something Obama said when trying to win the Presidentcy. It was about bringing guns to a fight of some kind.
Can’t quite remember the full quote but if Obama being “pro gun” is good enough to win the low information voters then it is good enough for everyone else.

mechkiller_k on December 21, 2012 at 4:12 PM

a capella on December 21, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Plenty cocky that one. Why he fears little ole me so, I don’t get. ; )

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Read up.

It’s very significant.

Schadenfreude on December 21, 2012 at 3:56 PM

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That is significant.

But it won’t stop the opposition from saying “Sarah Thompson’s obviously a paid shill for the NRA.”

listens2glenn on December 21, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Well ever onward! Next thread. ; )

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 4:13 PM

So don’t you cast cast such aspersions.

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Stop whining and sniveling, crybaby.

You’ve cast your share. Try to act like a man…if you can imagine how.

STFU & FOAD

Solaratov on December 21, 2012 at 4:13 PM

a capella on December 21, 2012 at 4:08 PM

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Plenty cocky that one. Why he fears little ole me so, I don’t get. ; )

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 4:12 PM

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I don’t blame him. I’m afraid of you.

Oh, crap … I shouldn’t have replied to your comment … you’re coming to get me … I just know it … I’M GETTING OUTTA HERE … AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

listens2glenn on December 21, 2012 at 4:18 PM

I’ll continue to advocate for the well being and safety your kids.

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Liar. You don’t care for anyone’s kids but your own – and I’m being generous in giving you that.
You certainly don’t care about the lives of anyone who differs from you politically.

Crawl back under your rock.

Solaratov on December 21, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 4:00 PM

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Still butt-sore from Nov. 6,eh?

I’m putting you back on “ignore”.

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 4:03 PM

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Promises . . . . . . . . . . .

listens2glenn on December 21, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Just remember from last week, that when leftists commit violent acts it is because they were goaded into it, and therefore not at all responsible for their actions.

Night Owl on December 21, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Reminds me of NeoKong on the Steven Crowder thread yesterday.

22044 on December 21, 2012 at 4:20 PM

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