NRA chief: “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun”

posted at 2:01 pm on December 21, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

The National Rifle Association gave their first press conference following the Newtown massacre on Friday, during which Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre offered a number of solutions to prevent mass shootings, such as having armed guards in every school, as well as criticisms ranging from the culture of violence-as-entertainment and the media’s demonization of guns in general (transcript here):

As brave and heroic and as self-sacrificing as those teachers were in those classrooms and as prompt and professional and well- trained as those police were when they responded, they were unable — through no fault of their own, unable to stop it.

As parents we do everything we can to keep our children safe. It’s now time for us to assume responsibility for our schools. The only way — the only way to stop a monster from killing our kids is to be personally involved and invested in a plan of absolute protection.

The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. …

I call on Congress today, to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation. And, to do it now to make sure that blanket safety is in place when our kids return to school in January. …

Every school is gonna have a different solution based on its own unique situation. Every school in America needs to immediately identify, dedicate and deploy the resources necessary to put these security forces in place, though, right now.

And the National Rifle Association, as America’s preeminent trainer of law enforcement and security personnel for the past 50 years — we have 11,000 police training instructors in the NRA — is ready, willing and uniquely qualified to help. …

If we truly cherish our kids, more than our money, more than our celebrities, more than our sports stadiums, we must give them the greatest level of protection possible. And that security is only available with properly trained, armed good guys. Under Asa’s leadership, our team of security experts will make this program available to the world for protecting our children in school. And we’ll make the program available to every single school in America, free of charge. That’s a plan of action that can, and will make a real positive, indisputable difference in the safety of our children, and it will start right now.

I don’t know about having an armed public servant stationed in every school; that is an assuredly expensive endeavor that is better left to federalism, although the NRA was likely going for some popular appeal with that suggestion and a few others. But, I am completely on board with the sentiment that this immediate reaction against all types of guns is ridiculous, and the very idea of merely declaring schools to be “gun-free zones” as the best method of protecting our children is utter folly (full blogger’s disclosure: I am an NRA member). Whether it’s with “assault” weapons or semiautomatics or what have you, a determined murderer is rarely-to-never going to be stopped by people who are themselves unarmed. We can do better than merely calling for more demonstrably failed gun-control measures as the only way of enhancing public safety and security, and every other pro-gun idea is categorically and irrevocably declared out of the question.

Of course, there was probably nothing the NRA could say that was ever going to play over well with the media and progressives regardless of the content — and predictably, nothing really did (although, funnily enough, LaPierre talked up some of the ideas that Congressional Democrats have already proposed in Newtown’s wake without a major media backlash… hmmm…).


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$4 trillion plus in deficit spending the last four years couldn’t have paid for Armed security in schools?

THIS proves the Democrats don’t care about the children.

They are just would-be-busybody-tyrants that want unarmed serfs to Lord over.

Evil.

MORE GUNS = LESS BAD GUYS.

PappyD61 on December 21, 2012 at 2:05 PM

They should’ve released a statement the day of the shooting with condolences and left it at that. Waiting days to say anything, then coming out with a tone-deaf news conference a week afterward where they proceed to blame movies and video games, is absurd. PR fail all the way around.

changer1701 on December 21, 2012 at 2:05 PM

The left would just have us “talk” to the perp and/or wait until someone “authorized” to have a weapon arrives, among other inanities.

Logus on December 21, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Liberals hated the presser. I loved it.

LaPierre hit the nail on the head with much of what he said.

nicktjacob on December 21, 2012 at 2:08 PM

“I don’t know about having an armed public servant stationed in every school…”

You don’t have to…

… How do you know there is an armed Air Marshal on your plane?

Seven Percent Solution on December 21, 2012 at 2:08 PM

They should replace the “GUN FREE ZONE” signs with “FREE FIRE ZONE” signs, because that’s what they are.

Ward Cleaver on December 21, 2012 at 2:09 PM

They should’ve released a statement the day of the shooting with condolences and left it at that. Waiting days to say anything, then coming out with a tone-deaf news conference a week afterward where they proceed to blame movies and video games, is absurd. PR fail all the way around.

changer1701 on December 21, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Didn’t solely blame movies and video games. Attributed the violence in them to some of our societal problems, which I agree with.

Parents need to do better at watching what their kids are putting into their minds.

nicktjacob on December 21, 2012 at 2:09 PM

“The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun.”

Truth.

I would like a couple of police-trained, armed teachers or administrators in each school. I would also like a James Bond-like gun that only shoots when held with an approved handprint. If it doesn’t really exist, it should.

Fallon on December 21, 2012 at 2:10 PM

I don’t know about having an armed public servant stationed in every school; that is an assuredly expensive endeavor that is better left to federalism,

But it’s okay to pay for Obama’s vacations, birth control, Solyndra and 47% of the population on food stamps and generational welfare, etc, etc, etc, etc.

This could be the way that Obama actually creates some jobs – more security/police at schools.

kim roy on December 21, 2012 at 2:10 PM

“If we can save only one child”, as Plugs Biden said yesterday…then why not put armed folks in schools?

Simply, it doesn’t further the Left’s attempt to seize more power, taking it from the citizenry.

catmman on December 21, 2012 at 2:10 PM

This is a long read, but a good one.

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/

rollthedice on December 21, 2012 at 2:10 PM

I saw somewhere else that NRA had added 48K to their membership rolls since December 14. Admitted that number is unverified, but methinks that they’re doing fine.

22044 on December 21, 2012 at 2:10 PM

It doesn’t matter what kind of gun bans the libs put in place, they’d never be able to get guns out of the hands of criminals.

Ward Cleaver on December 21, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Any links to the presser on Youtube? I get “no stream” with the best search result.

No way Gerry Connolly’s $200 million gun buyback stimulus should pass, but if it does an equal amount should be allocated to ARMED school security.

raybury on December 21, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Malia and Sasha get 24/7 armed protection. Which we pay for.

Our kids?

coldwarrior on December 21, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Boy is this topic bonna get trolled hard by the Leftists.

‘Gun Free Zones’ are hunting grounds for psychopaths’
- Massad Ayoob

rayra on December 21, 2012 at 2:11 PM

I understand Wayne LaPierre just offered to provide an armed guard for every school, movie theater, mall, parking lot, university, playground, post office, liquor store, pet store, truck stop, restaurant, city plaza, amusement park, church, temple, mosque, Apple store, rest stop, bus stop, skating rink, and lemonade stand.

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:11 PM

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:11 PM

I saw somewhere else that NRA had added 48K to their membership rolls since December 14. Admitted that number is unverified, but methinks that they’re doing fine.

22044 on December 21, 2012 at 2:10 PM

A couple of weeks ago I saw an older Suburban with an NRA sticker and an Obama/Biden sticker on the back. I couldn’t believe it.

Ward Cleaver on December 21, 2012 at 2:12 PM

I think those gun free zones are really a great idea!!! We should turn the whole country into a gun free zone!!!

–Liberals

search4truth on December 21, 2012 at 2:12 PM

They should’ve released a statement the day of the shooting with condolences and left it at that. Waiting days to say anything, then coming out with a tone-deaf news conference a week afterward where they proceed to blame movies and video games, is absurd. PR fail all the way around.

changer1701 on December 21, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Shorter LaPierre: Guns don’t kill people, a 10-year old video game kills people.

Jon0815 on December 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM

He was an idiot for trying to blame video games though.

ButterflyDragon on December 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Read this yesterday, paraphrasing:

“Gun-free zones are simply human game preserves.”

catmman on December 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM

this immediate reaction against all types of guns is ridiculous,

Come on Erika, stop it!! even morning joe keeps saying that serious people are NOT saying ban ALL guns. The NRA had a chance to show they are reasonable and representative of their membership, instead they their LOBBYIST to hold a press conference?!

So if you don’t agree with their position as a NRA Member, can you tell me who are they representing with this genius idea of using tax dollars for more guns!?

Does anybody here agree that we should put more guns on streets in the way suggested today? Policemen funded with tax dollars… forever?! Or did you guys have an orgasm with that “good guy with a gun” line?

IF THAT’S WHAT CONSERVATISM IS ….. You guys might think about Newt’s idea of going to the moon… FOR GOOD!.

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on December 21, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Question for parents here..(or anyone else)
I am curious-
What security methods are used in private schools vs. the public
school system?
Anyone know off hand?

bazil9 on December 21, 2012 at 2:17 PM

THe only non-profane uncombative portion of my relevant remarks from Jazz’s Part4 topic -

Celebutards and minor politicians out there saying ‘shoot the NRA’.
State Governors saying ‘confiscation is on the table’
Legislatures plotting confiscation and restraint of trade.
FEDERAL Congressmen in BOTH houses proposing outright violation of the Constitution they swore to uphold, in their intimation of criminalization and confiscation of “assault rifle” ownership – in direct contravention of the Constitution’s Article I prohibitions on enacting ex post facto laws.
A media shoveling huge lies and distortions.
A fascist Tyrant in Chief, making direct appeals to his FSA to ‘do something’ and promises of unilateral action via EO if he doesn’t get his way.

We’ve never been closer to a civil war within the last 150 years.

rayra on December 21, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Draw upon retired police officers, military, and the over 4 million members of the NRA to volunteer for this opportunity. Train them well and do thorough background checks. Have a rotating “A-Team” at each school so the volunteers don’t get burned out. Use the same volunteers so that the children get to know them, just like the cop on the beat used to be known and trusted. Children are our most important asset…let’s protect them.

StarLady on December 21, 2012 at 2:18 PM

The trolls obviously watched CNN’s coverage of the NRA presser, where they went to a commercial during the meat of the statement, after Medea “Walking-Talking-Vag1na” Benjamin stunk up the joint.

CurtZHP on December 21, 2012 at 2:18 PM

understand Wayne LaPierre just offered to provide an armed guard for every school, movie theater, mall, parking lot, university, playground, post office, liquor store, pet store, truck stop, restaurant, city plaza, amusement park, church, temple, mosque, Apple store, rest stop, bus stop, skating rink, and lemonade stand.

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:11 PM

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Your understanding is a pretty good argument for concealed carry.
Though, I think the Apple Stores are safe.

Jabberwock on December 21, 2012 at 2:19 PM

Shorter LaPierre: Guns don’t kill people, a 10-year old video game kills people.

Jon0815 on December 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM

I don’t know. My COD:Black Ops is only a couple of years old and my old bones sure do hurt when I’m done playing. Good thing I’m getting COD:Black Ops 2 before they ban it.

My Wii Zapper has an semi-automatic and automatic trigger, do you think Dianne Fienstien will allow for that?

LoganSix on December 21, 2012 at 2:20 PM

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:11 PM

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:11 PM

What’s the matter troll – can’t make up new strawmen?

Galt2009 on December 21, 2012 at 2:20 PM

NRA chief: “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun”

I will allow myself to correct an already great and powerful quote: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun and a rope

Archivarix on December 21, 2012 at 2:20 PM

Dear NRA, next time contact me before you decide to rail on video games. Any cognizant ideas that LaPierre presented were derailed by his ignorant screed against the gaming and movie industry (disclosure: I write for a couple of gaming sites).

Simply speak to larger cultural issues concerning these young men who become so isolated and unstable that they feel the need to react violently with mass shootings. Don’t call out the names of specific games that illustrate your ignorance of gaming in general. Especially when one of them is a decade old and largely unknown.

Queasy on December 21, 2012 at 2:20 PM

Read this yesterday, paraphrasing:

“Gun-free zones are simply human game preserves.”

catmman on December 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Things like it have been said for years, not sure where exactly it was first turned, but the proximate example is an essay by Massad Ayoob, long time firearm trainer, police adjunct, expert trial witness and gun writer. The essay was entitled ‘Agaist Monsters’, published the day after Sandy Hook.
http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2012/12/15/against-monsters/
wherein Ayoob closed with, “Children will continue to die in gun-free zones hunting preserves for psychopathic murderers, and the cowardly murderers will continue to surrender or kill themselves as soon as armed good guys show up…far too late.”

rayra on December 21, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Malia and Sasha get 24/7 armed protection. Which we pay for.

Our kids?

coldwarrior on December 21, 2012 at 2:11 PM

verbaluce and the middle mooshy one will answer you shortly.

Schadenfreude on December 21, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Malia and Sasha get 24/7 armed protection. Which we pay for.
Our kids?
coldwarrior on December 21, 2012 at 2:11 PM

You are b!tching…. I can do that too, look: why the hell did my tax payer dollars go for Dick Cheney, Newt Gingrich, security? Everybody paid for Romney’s transition .. Smh

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on December 21, 2012 at 2:21 PM

“I have a very strict gun control policy: if there’s a gun around, I want to be in control of it.”

— Clint Eastwood

Archivarix on December 21, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Gun free zones are nothing more than free fire zones for the evil and insane.

As to assault weapons and semi-automatics, at Sandy Hook, the shooter had 20 minutes of free fire time until police arrived. In terms of speed of fire, he could have used any sort of gun on the market and accomplished the same amount of carnage.

La Pierre is certainly correct that the “school solution” is to have people armed in the schools, but I am surprised he did not mention school staff, properly trained and with concealed carry licenses.

Wolf Howling on December 21, 2012 at 2:22 PM

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:11 PM

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Warning. Nobody light a match , use your cell , or cause a spark.

CW on December 21, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Every school is gonna have

Gonna? Really? Was this choice of spelling on purpose?

John the Libertarian on December 21, 2012 at 2:22 PM

From The Onion…and a few months ago…not recently –

NRA Sets 1,000 Killed In School Shooting As Amount It Would Take For Them To Reconsider Much Of Anything
‘Yeah, Something Like 1,000 Dead Kids,’ Reports Spokesperson

NEWS • Guns • News • May 25, 2012

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:16 PM

You and I both know The Onion.
Are you sure others do .
PRC fell for one of their stoties recently.

Jabberwock on December 21, 2012 at 2:23 PM

But, I am completely on board with the sentiment that this immediate reaction against all types of guns is ridiculous…
-POSTED AT 2:01 PM ON DECEMBER 21, 2012 BY ERIKA JOHNSEN

Erika,
Maybe you’re not following the actual debate and what is actually being discussed and debated. There really hasn’t been a ‘reaction against all types of guns’. There has certainly been a huge reaction against certain types of guns.
Maybe what you meant to say was ‘But, I am completely on board with the sentiment that this immediate reaction against ANY type of gun at all is ridiculous…’.
Unless that’s not how you feel?

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Shorter LaPierre: Guns don’t kill people, a 10-year old video game kills people.

Jon0815 on December 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM

See, the moron Diminuendo starts already.

rayra on December 21, 2012 at 2:23 PM

So if you don’t agree with their position as a NRA Member, can you tell me who are they representing with this genius idea of using tax dollars for more guns!?

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on December 21, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Actually, if the NRA offered free training for all principles and vice principles as part of their teacher/administration certification and then the school requires them to provide their own weapon, it wouldn’t cost the tax payer much money at all.

But, I like the idea of that we could just solve this by having everyone home school and then there wouldn’t be a threat to public schools and less taxes would be required to support the government.

LoganSix on December 21, 2012 at 2:24 PM

Question for parents here..(or anyone else)
I am curious-
What security methods are used in private schools vs. the public
school system?
Anyone know off hand?

bazil9 on December 21, 2012 at 2:17 PM

The private son we sent my son and daughter to briefly was K-12 and had a guard gate at the main entrance. A second gate was unguarded but was closed during the school day. There was a third entrance through the associated church parking lot though.

That said, there were a couple of security guards on the campus throughout the day.

Not all private schools are like this though. I know of another private school nearby that doesn’t have anymore security than a public school.

Queasy on December 21, 2012 at 2:24 PM

You and I both know The Onion.
Are you sure others do .
PRC fell for one of their stoties recently.

Jabberwock on December 21, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Maybe I wrongly assumed most did.

To clarify…The Onion is a satirical paper.
Wayne LaPierre didn’t actually say those things.
He did not actually say “Yeah, that’s probably the only way we’d reassess much of anything at this point: 1,000 dead kids, shot up pretty good, lying face down in the school auditorium or something like that,” LaPierre said, noting that anything less than 1,000 dead kids would not be enough for the NRA to stop urging Congress to pass pro-gun legislation. “I mean, that’s just a ballpark number, but I imagine seeing 1,000 or so body bags being wheeled out of a school and a whole town of crying parents would probably make us reflect on our values for at least a little bit.”

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:26 PM

We need to have a national conversation about Media control
http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/we-need-to-have-a-national-conversation-about-media-control-t10194.html#p152291
Well, its happened again – a school massacre takes place and the BSM jumps in with both left feet engaging in Assault Journalism with wall to wall coverage that glorifies the killer and encourages copycat attacks.
We all need to sit down and have a discussion of the role of the press in our society. Does it keep us safer? Or does it encourage more attacks putting more children in danger?
It is time to forget the politics of a free-press and instead think of the larger questions like the safety of our children.
We’re not talking about taking away the BSM’s First Amendment rights; we’re only talking about cutting the carnage brought about by Assault Journalism.
Does the BSM really need high-capacity magazines?
Does the BSM really need 5 minute clips?
The 1st amendment guarantees the freedom of the press but that isn’t an unlimited right by any means. The 1st amendment was written back in a time of printed media that traveled at the speed of a horse.
These days the BSM can operate at the speed of light, with video cameras shooting at least 30 frames a second. They could not have envisioned high-capacity magazines that can shoot out reams of lies before they need to be reloaded with the next issue.
They could not have envisioned the private sale of Media outside the control of the government, private Media that could easily set off the next lunatic on a spree of carnage.

So, when is the best time to make sensible, pragmatic changes to our media law?
How about now?
We need a ban on High capacity magazines, there is no reason that Time or Newsweek need to be more than 10 pages.
We need a ban on 5 minute news clips – there is no reason any one needs a clip longer than 5 minutes
We need to end private sales of Media – we need the government to control who can buy media and whether they have the mental capacity to consume such media.
We should make it a felony to purchase Media for those who can’t legally buy Media themselves.
We should have background check on all purveyors of Assault Journalism to close one of the majorloopholes in our current Media law and make it harder for criminals and those with mental illness to engage in Assault Media.
Ensuring background checks on all Media personal would close one of the major loopholes in our current laws and make it harder for criminals and those with mental illness to gain access to Media microphones.
We should deny a Media permit for habitual offenders who have continually celebrated the murderers in these mass shooting outrages.
You can help if you have a device capable of receiving Assault Media; you need to turn it into the government right now.
We should put in place a national ban on assault journalism and have a serious review of Internet transmissions of large amounts of media.
And if the media fails to submit by these Common-sense measures We will need stricter penalties for those who refuse to abide by the provisions of the a new Assault Media Ban.
Obviously, our children, our families, our neighbours, our law enforcement officers (did I mention children yet?) deserve and expect more responsibility than talk.
Renée Pseudonym Laggard is a founding member of Citizens Against Idiotic Mayors.
Just a final note: Journalist should take my sarcasm as a cautionary tale in that if you take to destroying one group’s Constitutional rights, don’t expect people to respect YOUR Constitutional rights.
The constraints on government put in place by our founding fathers either stand together – collectively if you will – or they fall together. Something you should keep in mind whilst you seek to eviscerate everyone’s right of self-defense.

Southern by choice22 on December 21, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Policemen funded with tax dollars… forever?!

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on December 21, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Until someone comes up with a better way, we’re probably stuck with this one. Unless you have a suggestion..?

affenhauer on December 21, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Guys, take a step back.

LaPierre wasn’t necessarily blaming video games and other media…he was using a debate gambit forcing people to look at that media and make an internal First Amendment argument for them so that it will transfer over to a Second Amendment argument.

If you’re going to argue, rightly I think, that a kid having Assasin’s creed won’t automatically turn him into a murdering lunatic, then you’ve just made the argument that owning a gun won’t automatically turn someone into one either.

JohnTant on December 21, 2012 at 2:28 PM

There has certainly been a huge reaction against certain types of guns.

Which ones?

Humor us all with some specifics. Let’s see how well you know what is being debated.

Good Lt on December 21, 2012 at 2:29 PM

NRA chief: “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun”

Isn’t this basically the ending of just about every cop or spy show on TV? Isn’t this what has theater patrons clapping and cheering for at the end of action/adventure flicks? Ironic how all those despicable Hollywood celebs support the concept when it helps to make themselves rich, famous and successful, but it’s not okay for life to imitate art–though we know it’s really the other way around. How, otherwise, are all their movies and cop shows going to end on a positive note, bcuz we know nobody would watch them otherwise.

stukinIL4now on December 21, 2012 at 2:29 PM

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:26 PM

I’m calling on the fools running Hot Air to cut out this cancer. It’s like watching Lawrence o’Donnell trying to shout down Mr O’Neall during the Swiftboat ruckus. This cretin ‘verbaluce’ just keeps repeating the same garbage over and over. It’s not making any honest argument or adding any factual content. Just dropping turds in the yard like some sort of loose farm animal.

rayra on December 21, 2012 at 2:29 PM

You are b!tching…. I can do that too, look: why the hell did my tax payer dollars go for Dick Cheney, Newt Gingrich, security? Everybody paid for Romney’s transition .. Smh

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on December 21, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Why the hell did the oaf in chief send all the federal workers home today, on the taxdollars’ dole.

He is the national harlot in chief.

Starve the Looters, with him at the helm. He is a robber barron.

Schadenfreude on December 21, 2012 at 2:30 PM

I for one, am purchasing some of the ballistic item available for our family. Backpacks and inserts in to binders to name a couple.

TturnP on December 21, 2012 at 2:30 PM

You are b!tching…. I can do that too, look: why the hell did my tax payer dollars go for Dick Cheney, Newt Gingrich, security? Everybody paid for Romney’s transition .. Smh

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on December 21, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Some of them promoted guns, some are hypocrites. You?

Schadenfreude on December 21, 2012 at 2:31 PM

If video games were truly interactive, there’d be a lot fewer folks who spent so much time playing them. Face it, a video game that shoots back…

Any idiot can play a video game and pretend.

Any idiot can walk into a mall or school or any other place where they know nobody is going to shoot back, because guns, of course, are forbidden.

When you can fire a weapon without immediate consequence, makes it a lot more easy to fire that weapon.

Try it sometime when each shot you fire makes the other guy not only know where you are, but makes them keen on getting you before you get them.

Have yet to see a video game to do that.

coldwarrior on December 21, 2012 at 2:31 PM

All I ask is that that left agree to protect our schools with the same level of security they would like to see at an abortion clinic.

NeoKong on December 21, 2012 at 2:32 PM

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on December 21, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Jog on, Libtard.

catmman on December 21, 2012 at 2:32 PM

stukinIL4now on December 21, 2012 at 2:29 PM

It was the ending of the portland mall shooting. The CO mega-church shooting. The Ft Hood shooting. And tens of thousands of other criminal incidents.
http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/

rayra on December 21, 2012 at 2:33 PM

When I visited the airports in Germany in 1986, soldiers with AK-style weapons patrolled all areas. There were no incidents at the German airports for some strange reason. I’m absolutely as positive as Obama is honorable that the lack of violence could not be because of the guns.

HopeHeFails on December 21, 2012 at 2:34 PM

All I ask is that all who oppose guns give up their own protection.

Live by example hypocrites of the world.

Schadenfreude on December 21, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Once again, gun bans won’t keep guns out of the hands of criminals. A gun ban will be just as effective as that ban on marijuana, cocaine, methamphetamine, ecstasy, and the willfully obtuse pontifications of Liberals.

But should it come to pass, I’ll still be armed. And the pacifist/fascist anti-gun types, and their children, will still be dependant upon others to keep them safe. How well did that work out in CT again?

M240H on December 21, 2012 at 2:35 PM

The NRA had a chance to show they are reasonable and representative of their membership, instead they their LOBBYIST to hold a press conference?!

Didn’t LaPierre used to be President of the NRA? Regardless, he’s not just some random lobbyist; LaPierre has pretty much been the face of the NRA for nearly 20 years.

So if you don’t agree with their position as a NRA Member, can you tell me who are they representing with this genius idea of using tax dollars for more guns!?

Just for more guns, or for more police officers armed with guns (the two usually go together in my neck of the woods)?

Does anybody here agree that we should put more guns on streets in the way suggested today? Policemen funded with tax dollars… forever?!

What’s wrong with using tax dollars to pay for more policemen? Didn’t we pass crime bills in the ’80s and ’90s that did exactly that? Don’t the Democrats always warn us that cutting government spending will result in fewer police officers, firefighters, and teachers? Why are you opposed to one of the flagship conservative organizations calling for increased government spending on police officers? Sounds like they finally have come around to your side of the argument.

Or did you guys have an orgasm with that “good guy with a gun” line?

Nah. It’s a good, pithy line, but it takes a heck of a lot more than that to get me off these days. A good-looking, well-built woman, for one.

IF THAT’S WHAT CONSERVATISM IS ….. You guys might think about Newt’s idea of going to the moon… FOR GOOD!.

LOUD NOISES!

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on December 21, 2012 at 2:16 PM

JimLennon on December 21, 2012 at 2:35 PM

This is a long read, but a good one.

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/

rollthedice on December 21, 2012 at 2:10 PM

Have you read his books? They’re a junky, but very fun read, IMO.

The Rogue Tomato on December 21, 2012 at 2:36 PM

You don’t have to…

… How do you know there is an armed Air Marshal on your plane?

[Seven Percent Solution on December 21, 2012 at 2:08 PM]

A very important point. That should be the bare minimum expectation of a school environment.

Dusty on December 21, 2012 at 2:37 PM

You are b!tching…. I can do that too, look: why the hell did my tax payer dollars go for Dick Cheney, Newt Gingrich, security? Everybody paid for Romney’s transition .. Smh

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on December 21, 2012 at 2:21 PM

So the Presidents children were elected to representative office or are you saying Malia and Sasha are filling the roles of Vice-President and Speaker of the House, respectively?

You’re not even a good idiot…

catmman on December 21, 2012 at 2:37 PM

[rollthedice on December 21, 2012 at 2:10 PM]

Read it last night. Excellent summary of the issues and the solutions.

Dusty on December 21, 2012 at 2:38 PM

All I ask is that that left agree to protect our schools with the same level of security they would like to see at an abortion clinic.

NeoKong on December 21, 2012 at 2:32 PM

Maybe some of these lefties will escort the kids into school.

CW on December 21, 2012 at 2:39 PM

bazil9 on December 21, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Queasy on December 21, 2012 at 2:24 PM

Thank you for your response Queasy.

Did you feel having the security guards at your son’s school made a difference? Armed? Did the guard at the gate check ID, authorized personnel entering and leaving, or anything else that really added to security or was it more a false sense of security?

Commenter Axe, had a good post on designing/remodeling school structures to improve safety measures-wish I had saved it.

bazil9 on December 21, 2012 at 2:40 PM

You are b!tching…. I can do that too, look: why the hell did my tax payer dollars go for Dick Cheney, Newt Gingrich, security? Everybody paid for Romney’s transition .. Smh

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on December 21, 2012 at 2:21 PM

There is one very significant difference- Cheney, Romney, heck, even Newt, could have gotten volunteers to provide security for free. Obuggerme, Shrillary, and Skerry Kerry the Horse-Faced Boy … not so much.

M240H on December 21, 2012 at 2:40 PM

Just Days After School Shooting That Killed 26 Children & Adults, 2008 Proposed Gun Ban List Is Being Floated Again… (Final List Will Be Worse)
http://redflagnews.com/opinion/obamas-gun-ban-list-is-out-by-alan-korwin

You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it’s an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.
Rahm Emanuel

Look at the list and see how many you own. Remember, it is registration, then confiscation. It has happened in the UK, in Australia, in Europe, in China, and what they have found is that for some reason the criminals do not turn in their weapons, but will know that you did.
Remember, the first step in establishing a dictatorship is to disarm the citizens.
Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states’ rights, free speech, right to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment.
Rifles (or copies or duplicates):
M1 Carbine,Sturm Ruger Mini-14,AR-15,Bushmaster XM15,Armalite M15,AR-10,Thompson 1927,Thompson M1,AK,AKM,AKS,AK-47,AK-74,ARM,MAK90,NHM 90,NHM 91,SA 85,SA 93,VEPR,Olympic Arms PCR,AR70,Calico Liberty,Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or DragunovSVU,Fabrique National FN/FAL,FN/LAR, or FNC,Hi-Point20Carbine,HK-91, HK-93,HK-94,HK-PSG-1,Thompson 1927 Commando,Kel-Tec Sub Rifle,Saiga,SAR-8,SAR-4800,SKS with detachable magazine,SLG 95,SLR 95 or 96,Steyr AU,Tavor,Uzi,Galil and Uzi Sporter,Galil Sporter or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz),Pistols (or copies or duplicates):Calico M-110,MAC-10,MAC-11,MPA3,Olympic Arms OA,TEC-9,TEC-DC9,TEC-22 Scorpion or AB-10,Uzi,
Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):
Armscor 30 BG,SPAS 12 or LAW 12,Striker 12,Streetsweeper,
Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):
A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see below),
(iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.
Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than
10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles).
A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has:
(i) a second pistol grip,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a barrel shroud or
(iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and
(v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.
A semiautomatic shotgun with:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a pistol grip (see definition below),
(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds, and
(iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.
Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any “semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General.”

Southern by choice22 on December 21, 2012 at 2:40 PM

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on December 21, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Since when are you Libtards averse to spending tax dollars?

If we can afford abortion on demand, Sandra Flukes birth control, Obama phones, welfare for everyone, etc, why not?

If the game is rigged, might as well play by your sides rules.

catmman on December 21, 2012 at 2:40 PM

If video games were truly interactive, there’d be a lot fewer folks who spent so much time playing them. Face it, a video game that shoots back…

Any idiot can play a video game and pretend.

coldwarrior on December 21, 2012 at 2:31 PM

I’d settle for a video game that would break and ankle, rib or leg on those 13 year olds who jump around the game like they are super men.

But, on a serious note, they do have force feedback jackets, making video games more realistic may or may not be a good thing.

LoganSix on December 21, 2012 at 2:41 PM

I don’t know about having an armed public servant stationed in every school; that is an assuredly expensive endeavor that is better left to federalism, although the NRA was likely going for some popular appeal with that suggestion and a few others.

Agreed on the federalism and funding, it should be a state and local issue.

Many, if not all, states have some kind of program that places School Resource Officers in at least middle and high schools. They are fully uniformed police officers whose role is to provide security to the schools, in partnership with the administrators. In at least some districts they are armed. Expanding the program to elementary schools may be a good idea, but that should be a state/local funding issue.

As a parent, it’s comforting seeing the fully marked car parked in front of the building.

National Association of School Resource Officers

obladioblada on December 21, 2012 at 2:41 PM

(disclosure: I write for a couple of gaming sites).

Queasy on December 21, 2012 at 2:20 PM

You can’t get a real job?

The NRA has maybe 4 million members (how many copies of Grand Theft Auto were sold?), many of whom have never contacted their Congressmen. To suggest that they hold the power they are supposed to have should be the next fantasy video game.

NRA is an easy target to avoid getting at the problem…and yeah I do think Hollywood and video games need to be included in the discussion. But once again we prove that the best defense is a good offense.

teejk on December 21, 2012 at 2:42 PM

LoganSix on December 21, 2012 at 2:41 PM

Feedback jackets?

Not even close to what is required.

Real rounds. Real wounds. Real blood.

If these video junkies want this sort of thing, there are hundreds and hundreds of USMC and Army recruiting stations within easy reach.

coldwarrior on December 21, 2012 at 2:45 PM

What’s wrong with using tax dollars to pay for more policemen? Didn’t we pass crime bills in the ’80s and ’90s that did exactly that?

JimLennon on December 21, 2012 at 2:35 PM

Why do we have to hire more policemen? We don’t need to hire more policemen. We need sub-stations in schools. A certain number of cops work from the police station, you spread them out into the schools.

The infrastructure for communications and space is all that’s needed. And that’s just to retro-fit the old schools.

New schools can be designed with a police sub-station in it.

But, it’s a local thing. It’s something each state needs to do. Not the federal government.

ButterflyDragon on December 21, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Malia and Sasha get 24/7 armed protection. Which we pay for.
Our kids?
coldwarrior on December 21, 2012 at 2:11 PM

This.

jawkneemusic on December 21, 2012 at 2:46 PM

I’m not sure how I would feel about an armed school however, I am pretty sure if someone had been armed last week, the death toll would not have been that high.
Libtards are worried about their union stash. Am armed guard will not guard that.

ORconservative on December 21, 2012 at 2:46 PM

In the Wild West we’ve returned to because of the lazy,dysfunctional and entitled Marxists the revolver as the equalizer against the lawless rings as true as in the 1880s.

Imagine if the $50 million or so Moochelle and tha keeyids squandered on just their dee-luxe Spain and Mexico vacations had gone towards school security what a safer place the skools might be.

viking01 on December 21, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Since when are you Libtards averse to spending tax dollars?

If we can afford abortion on demand, Sandra Flukes birth control, Obama phones, welfare for everyone, etc, why not?

If the game is rigged, might as well play by your sides rules.

catmman on December 21, 2012 at 2:40 PM

This.

CW on December 21, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Did you feel having the security guards at your son’s school made a difference? Armed? Did the guard at the gate check ID, authorized personnel entering and leaving, or anything else that really added to security or was it more a false sense of security?

Between kid drop-off and pickup, anybody entering the school was stopped at the guard station and asked why they were there and you had to show an ID if the guard didn’t recognize you.

It gave a sense of security but if someone was really determined to get into the school and cause mayhem, they would just need to enter during the drop-off and pickup times and wait.

At the same time though, just have that security presence on the campus is a deterrent.

Queasy on December 21, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Why the hell did the oaf in chief send all the federal workers home today, on the taxdollars’ dole.

He is the national harlot in chief.

Starve the Looters, with him at the helm. He is a robber barron.

Schadenfreude on December 21, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Why not Shad? They don’t have to pay their taxes..we pay ours and them..they laugh their arses off at us. The peons.

http://news.investors.com/politics-andrew-malcolm/012612-599002-obama-white-house-staff-back-taxes.htm

36 Obama aides owe $833,000 in back taxes

The tax offenders include employees of the U.S. Senate who help write the laws imposed on everyone else. They owe $2.1 million. Workers in the House of Representatives owe $8.5 million, Department of Education employees owe $4.3 million and over at Homeland Security, 4,697 workers owe about $37 million. Active duty military members owe more than $100 million.

The Treasury Department, where Obama nominee Tim Geithner had to pay up $42,000 in his own back taxes before being confirmed as secretary, has 1,181 other employees with delinquent taxes totaling $9.3 million.

As usual, the Postal Service, with more than 600,000 workers, has the most offenders (25,640), who also owe the most — almost $270 million. Veterans Affairs has 11,659 workers owing the IRS $151 million while the Energy Department that was so quick to dish out more than $500 million to the Solyndra folks has 322 employees owing $5 million

bazil9 on December 21, 2012 at 2:48 PM

rayra on December 21, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Ah yes…Scary Larry used the moonbat classic ‘Creepy Liar’ argument in that one….

BigWyo on December 21, 2012 at 2:49 PM

I, too, am an NRA member. I learned to shoot through an NRA summer camp program when I was 12; we fired .22 rifles at paper targets, and I loved every minute of it.

Now I’m in it mainly to get its 1st Freedom magazine, which I leave in waiting rooms after I’ve read it. My favorite part of the magazine is the “Armed Citizen” page, on which is a collection of saved-by-a-gun stories from news reports.

I make copies of those “Armed Citizen” pages and occasionally slip them into magazines in waiting rooms, so people can read about good guys (and gals) who used their firearms to stop the bad guys.

That may be the only way some people get to read such accounts. I hope it helps people realize how precious our Second Amendment right really is.

KyMouse on December 21, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Place public education under the dept of defense and national guard. No more unions, and the armed teachers can educate and assimilate a new generation of American Patriots, otherwise the left will have unionized TSA in every school.

Tripwhipper on December 21, 2012 at 2:50 PM

$4 trillion plus in deficit spending the last four years couldn’t have paid for Armed security in schools?

THIS proves the Democrats don’t care about the children.

They are just would-be-busybody-tyrants that want unarmed serfs to Lord over.

Evil.

MORE GUNS = LESS BAD GUYS.

PappyD61 on December 21, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Obama zeroed out school emergency planning grants from last year’s spending.
And he has scrapped “Secure Our Schools” policing grants in next year’s budget (such as it is).

Why has obama consistantly cut out money to secure our schools…
but yet, he can find the money to arm al queda rebels in Syria…
he can send billions to the muslim brotherhood in Egypt…
and obama and holder can find the resources to provide automatic weapons – free of charge – to drug cartels in Mexico?

It almost seems as though obama and his regime want to leave our schools unprotected…for some reason. (Perhaps because dead children provide a good prop for his “fundamental change” of America)

If obama is so ‘concerned’ about protecting children in schools…why has he CUT the money necessary to provide even the most rudimentary protection from his spending?
Are al queda and the muslim brotherhood more important to obama than the lives of America’s children?
It would seem so.

Solaratov on December 21, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Malia and Sasha get 24/7 armed protection. Which we pay for.

Our kids?

coldwarrior on December 21, 2012 at 2:11 PM

verbaluce and the middle mooshy one will answer you shortly.

Schadenfreude on December 21, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Hi Schadenfreude.
I’ll answer.
As you know, an absolutely absurd point…equating the security needs of the family of the POTUS with everyone else in the world.
There are rational arguments to be made, but coldwarrior is offering nonsense.

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Anyone know off hand?

bazil9 on December 21, 2012 at 2:17 PM

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I originally posted this last Friday. My kids went to public school. We have private schools in this area who have plainclothes security officers on campus. We have public schools that take the same approach as the schools my kids attended.

Undiscussed by the MSM – there are MANY schools in the major cities of this country that have metal detectors and police officers on campus screening the student population for guns every day.

When my son started 7th grade over a decade ago, there was a full time LEO on the junior high/high school campus. I was surprised because we had moved to get my son and daughter into this award winning school district and this seemed out of character.

I asked the junior high principal, “Why a full time officer? Have there been problems?”

Best.answer.ever, “No. We believe the officer’s presence reinforces a positive outlook towards law enforcement, we KNOW it has prevented some parent custody situations from escalating and we budget for the ounce of prevention over a pound of cure.”

They had one bomb threat made by a disgruntled student in the years my kids went there and it was “solved” before the precautions were finished being taken by a couple of kids who walked over to the officer and told them who had been bragging about it right after he made the call.

How is it that “fly over country” had answers like this one more than a decade before today’s tragedy?

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With nothing but disgust for those defending the media et al, I’ll put up again this post I made the other day.

This is a symptom of a terminally ill society.

“It takes a certain kind of low life scum bag to murder innocent children in cold blood!”

Not true, it only requires a sociopath.

Sociopath – A person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.

We are producing them in record numbers (gang members, drug dealers, habitual liars, addicts, violent offenders, etc, etc, etc) and making celebrities out of the worst of them (50 cent, the Kartrashians, Lindsey Lohan, Chris Brown, the Kennedy family, Bill Clinton).

People are addicted to shows like “The Sopranos”, “Sons of Anarchy” and “Dexter”. All of which celebrate sociopathic values. I grew up in New York when the guys in organized crime were in their heyday. They were NOT conflicted about what they were doing for a living. They were ruthless, cold blooded pigs.

Conservatives are competing for attention against the sociopaths … and losing … badly.

Why?

Because they champion societal standards the sociopaths are being celebrated for trashing.

The sociopaths even have the communication monopoly of the MSM keeping them in the limelight and pimping their behavior.

You want to challenge liberals?

Don’t talk about mental health issues – they are a distraction.

Ask them to identify a celebrity they follow who has not engaged in antisocial attitudes and behavior.

Until we stop the incessant worshipping of sociopathic behavior, everything else will be irrelevant.

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If, as at least one of the above posters does, you feed off the tens of billions of dollars generated by the promotion of sociopathic behaviors, do not come on here to defend that behavior.

YOU are part of the problem. Coming here to deny it is as craven as it is self-serving.

It does not take a law to fix this problem.

All it takes is enough good people turning off the sociopathic worshipping media … FOREVER.

PolAgnostic on December 21, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Queasy on December 21, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Thank you for your experience and insight.

bazil9 on December 21, 2012 at 2:52 PM

I’m a proud NRA member. The left isn’t just talking, they really do hate us. That’s probably enough justification to arm up in itself.

claudius on December 21, 2012 at 2:52 PM

verbaluce and the middle mooshy one will answer you shortly.

Schadenfreude on December 21, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on December 21, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Dang, you’re good, Schadenfreude! LOL

GWB on December 21, 2012 at 2:52 PM

If my town put up a discussion/vote on an armed security guard at our local elementary (my kids aren’t there yet), with our taxes being raised to staff the position, I would vote “yes.”

Would you?

visions on December 21, 2012 at 2:52 PM

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:51 PM

So, you agree that the lives of Malia and Sasha are worth far far more than the lives of any of the kids of any other American citizen, anytime, anywhere?

coldwarrior on December 21, 2012 at 2:54 PM

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:26 PM

I am sure you enjoyed getting all that in.
And you are welcome for the opening.

In the coming weeks I’d wager we see those words as fact.
It will be that ugly.

Jabberwock on December 21, 2012 at 2:54 PM

rayra on December 21, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Gee..
Well sorry if you took offense at my posting/referencing that Onion satire on LaPierre.
But do you follow the point they were making?
(And if it makes you feel any better, The Onion often mocks the p*ss out of Joe Biden.)

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:55 PM

My anecdote: I went to my local range/shop this morning and had to wait in line for a parking spot (never happened before), wait 30 minutes for a range opening, and 2/3 of the handgun stock was sold out. The rifles looked picked through, but there were plenty there. They normally have a lot of handguns in the cases…not today.

I don’t know if this is because of holiday shopping, current events, or what. Just saying. Carry on…

visions on December 21, 2012 at 2:56 PM

equating the security needs of the family of the POTUS with everyone else in the world.

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Really? So, they are more important than my family? I understand the threats might be different for most people, but not for all. And, *I* should be the one to decide whether that’s true or not, not you or others.

GWB on December 21, 2012 at 2:56 PM

I recommend Chris Bird’s book Thank God I Had a Gun, which is available at Amazon.com. Lots of stories of people who defended themselves with guns, and a fascinating section about New Orleans right after Katrina.

http://www.amazon.com/Thank-God-Had-Gun-Self-Defense/dp/0965678458

Chris also wrote The Concealed Handgun Manual; he is a former police reporter for the San Antonio Express-News, a certified concealed-handgun instructor, and a director of the Texas Concealed Handgun Association. He lives in San Antonio.

KyMouse on December 21, 2012 at 2:57 PM

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