NRA chief: “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun”

posted at 2:01 pm on December 21, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

The National Rifle Association gave their first press conference following the Newtown massacre on Friday, during which Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre offered a number of solutions to prevent mass shootings, such as having armed guards in every school, as well as criticisms ranging from the culture of violence-as-entertainment and the media’s demonization of guns in general (transcript here):

As brave and heroic and as self-sacrificing as those teachers were in those classrooms and as prompt and professional and well- trained as those police were when they responded, they were unable — through no fault of their own, unable to stop it.

As parents we do everything we can to keep our children safe. It’s now time for us to assume responsibility for our schools. The only way — the only way to stop a monster from killing our kids is to be personally involved and invested in a plan of absolute protection.

The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. …

I call on Congress today, to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation. And, to do it now to make sure that blanket safety is in place when our kids return to school in January. …

Every school is gonna have a different solution based on its own unique situation. Every school in America needs to immediately identify, dedicate and deploy the resources necessary to put these security forces in place, though, right now.

And the National Rifle Association, as America’s preeminent trainer of law enforcement and security personnel for the past 50 years — we have 11,000 police training instructors in the NRA — is ready, willing and uniquely qualified to help. …

If we truly cherish our kids, more than our money, more than our celebrities, more than our sports stadiums, we must give them the greatest level of protection possible. And that security is only available with properly trained, armed good guys. Under Asa’s leadership, our team of security experts will make this program available to the world for protecting our children in school. And we’ll make the program available to every single school in America, free of charge. That’s a plan of action that can, and will make a real positive, indisputable difference in the safety of our children, and it will start right now.

I don’t know about having an armed public servant stationed in every school; that is an assuredly expensive endeavor that is better left to federalism, although the NRA was likely going for some popular appeal with that suggestion and a few others. But, I am completely on board with the sentiment that this immediate reaction against all types of guns is ridiculous, and the very idea of merely declaring schools to be “gun-free zones” as the best method of protecting our children is utter folly (full blogger’s disclosure: I am an NRA member). Whether it’s with “assault” weapons or semiautomatics or what have you, a determined murderer is rarely-to-never going to be stopped by people who are themselves unarmed. We can do better than merely calling for more demonstrably failed gun-control measures as the only way of enhancing public safety and security, and every other pro-gun idea is categorically and irrevocably declared out of the question.

Of course, there was probably nothing the NRA could say that was ever going to play over well with the media and progressives regardless of the content — and predictably, nothing really did (although, funnily enough, LaPierre talked up some of the ideas that Congressional Democrats have already proposed in Newtown’s wake without a major media backlash… hmmm…).


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<blockquote"How many more copycats are waiting in the wings for their moment of fame from a national media machine that rewards them with wall-to-wall attention and a sense of identity that they crave, while provoking others to try to make their mark?" LaPierre asked
Disappointed he didn’t take this time to call for a rational discussion of reasonable media controls;

agmartin on December 21, 2012 at 4:25 PM

As you know, an absolutely absurd point…equating the security needs of the family of the POTUS with everyone else in the world.

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Benghazi.

Kyle_Reese on December 21, 2012 at 4:25 PM

listens2glenn on December 21, 2012 at 3:53 PM

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Awwwww … c’monverbaluce, Chump’, Dave’somebody !

listens2glenn on December 21, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Ruh-roh! Yer in trubble now, dude.

Chumpy’s put you on “ignore”.

Try to bear up…if you can.

There’s counseling available in the lobby if you need it.

Poor fella. ;-)

Solaratov on December 21, 2012 at 4:27 PM

The NRA isnt the National Institute of Health. Its only fitting they have a gun-answer to a gun-problem. Had an armed trained security individual been on site at the school, I firmly believe less people would have died. I also believe even though an armed counter attack could not be set forth at the time, more training on defensive techniques may have helped. Hind sight is 20/20. Probability of success is the key phrase. Advertising and making sure the school was gun free, doomed all inside to a shooter. I also believe gun security by the gun owner is essential. Anyone with a firearm needs to insure NO UNAUTHORIZED person can get those weapons and place them in a usual mode. Just my personal opinion. Nothing will bring those people back and all we can do is look for ways to prevent the next one by finding out what made THAT attack successful and put a fix in. The NRA’s position can be started today. Now. Legally. Its important that drills continue in schools and common sense techniques (like dont rush at the shooter) be studied. Duck and cover, disarming techniques , distractions and so on need to be studied. Again, nothing can bring those people back but we can sure learn from it.

johnnyU on December 21, 2012 at 4:28 PM

However, I agree with his idea of having staffed guards at schools. Arming every single teacher with a gun in class however, I’m not a fan. I don’t trust the stability of many teachers themselves to not one day snap during class and shoot a student.
Realclearblue on December 21, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Wouldn’t necessarily need to arm all the teachers with a gun (I doubt many would be interested in carrying an icky gun) if a they all carried pepper spray one might have a chance to distract the next gunman long enough for him to be subdued.

agmartin on December 21, 2012 at 4:30 PM

And I think you are wrong. High-capacity magazines are unnecessary to the right to keep and bear arms.

There is no single solution that will prevent mass shootings, but we can begin to take reasonable steps that don’t infringe on responsible gun owners.

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 3:46 PM

Don’t infringe on responsible gun owners. In the same breathe, you want to determine what is/isn’t necessary for the right to bear arms.

You want the government to determine (1) what types of guns can/can’t be used and (2)what is an acceptable purpose for guns.

You are on a slippery slope that ends with government control over people’s lives. Typical liberal smokescreen: government tyranny under the guise of benevolence.

Kyle_Reese on December 21, 2012 at 4:37 PM

There is no single solution that will prevent mass shootings, but we can begin to take reasonable steps that don’t infringe on responsible gun owners.

chumpThreads

Over 20,000 gun laws on the books right now. I think we’re well past the beginning stage.

xblade on December 21, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Don’t infringe on responsible gun owners. In the same breathe, you want to determine what is/isn’t necessary for the right to bear arms.

It is not unreasonable to conclude that no citizen needs military-style weapons and high-capacity magazines for personal safety or sport shooting.

You want the government to determine (1) what types of guns can/can’t be used and (2)what is an acceptable purpose for guns.

Exactly right! The 2nd Amendment does not provide an absolute right to any firearm a citizen desires. It is well within the authority of the government to limit certain types of weapons and the amount of ammunition a citizen can legally own. No one should be allowed to amass a personal arsenal.

You are on a slippery slope that ends with government control over people’s lives. Typical liberal smokescreen: government tyranny under the guise of benevolence.

Kyle_Reese on December 21, 2012 at 4:37 PM

NRA fear-porn.
The SCOTUS has already ruled on the 2nd amendment rights of citizens. The country is awash in firearms, which could be eliminated, even if desired. The majority of citizens simply want reasonable limits and restrictions on gun ownership.

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Ruh-roh! Yer in trubble now, dude.

Chumpy’s put you on “ignore”.

Try to bear up…if you can.

There’s counseling available in the lobby if you need it.

Poor fella. ;-)

Solaratov on December 21, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Ha! We should all be so privileged! :)

22044 on December 21, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Over 20,000 gun laws on the books right now. I think we’re well past the beginning stage.

xblade on December 21, 2012 at 4:46 PM

20,000 ineffective laws do not amount to a reasonable gun policy. The NRA has been very effective at squelching meaningful legislation over the years.

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 4:54 PM

NRA membership rolls are rising rapidly at a record-setting pace, increasing by 8,000 new NRA members per day since the Sandy Hook elementary school shooting. According to Fox News, both the number of individual contributions to the NRA and their average amount have risen significantly in the period following the massacre in Newtown, Connecticut. Unlike many who are using the school shooting as a political club, the National Rifle Association (NRA) has been staying quiet out of respect for the Newtown victims.

J_Crater on December 21, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Reminds me of NeoKong on the Steven Crowder thread yesterday.

22044 on December 21, 2012 at 4:20 PM

I must have missed that. What a bunch of nuts.

Night Owl on December 21, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Yes, let’s have an armed guard at every school. After all, the armed guard they had a Columbine did such a great job “protecting the kids.”

Drew Lowell on December 21, 2012 at 5:23 PM

However, I agree with his idea of having staffed guards at schools. Arming every single teacher with a gun in class however, I’m not a fan.

Every teacher wouldn’t be armed. Just those who want to be and who have taken the appropriate training classes would be armed.

I don’t trust the stability of many teachers themselves to not one day snap during class and shoot a student.
Realclearblue

Yet you trust the stability of staffed guards despite the same potential for snapping one day. Doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Having said all that, I’m not sure it’s actually necessary to do anything much differently than we do today. School shootings are already quite rare. Mass shootings even rarer. But the one thing that would have the most impact that would cost the least amount of money would be to allow staff with CCW permits to carry on campus. Even if no one on campus carried, the potential that some teachers are carrying would be enough to deter these kind of things. But it wouldn’t eliminate them. Nothing will eliminate.

xblade on December 21, 2012 at 5:24 PM

It is not unreasonable to conclude that no citizen needs military-style weapons and high-capacity magazines for personal safety or sport shooting.

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 4:51 PM

As you leftists are so fond of pointing out, the Second refers to a “militia”. Militias are – by definition – military formations. It would, therefore, be logical to assume that “military-style weapons and high-capacity magazines are primarily the type of “arms” to which the Second refers.

The Second Amendment makes no reference whatsoever to “sport shooting”. That is a red herring thrown out by you leftist gun-grabbers.

btw; According to the Constitution, the federal government is supposed to supply the militia with arms suitable for military use.

Solaratov on December 21, 2012 at 5:24 PM

20,000 ineffective laws do not amount to a reasonable gun policy. The NRA has been very effective at squelching meaningful legislation over the years.

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Yep. You’re an idiot.

And a liar. And a quibbler. And you demonstrate that NO amount of laws – short of total confiscation of all guns and subjugation of the citizens will satisfy you leftists.

Solaratov on December 21, 2012 at 5:28 PM

It would, therefore, be logical to assume that “military-style weapons and high-capacity magazines are primarily the type of “arms” to which the Second refers.

Solaratov on December 21, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Ah yes, the high-capacity magazines were all the rage in 1789, when the Second was adopted.

Drew Lowell on December 21, 2012 at 5:29 PM

The NRA is about the only group even attempting to wait a respectful amount of time before introducing politics into this tragedy.

agmartin on December 21, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Yes, let’s have an armed guard at every school. After all, the armed guard they had a Columbine did such a great job “protecting the kids.”

Drew Lowell

Who can argue with mental patient logic like this?

xblade on December 21, 2012 at 5:31 PM

It shows. You a mental health expert?

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 3:52 PM

not to add to the fire, but I have to wonder whether “mental health experts” aren’t part of the problem (thanks Dr Spock).

teejk on December 21, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Ah yes, the high-capacity magazines were all the rage in 1789, when the Second was adopted.

Drew Lowell

As was the internet and cable tv news when the First Amendment was adopted.

xblade on December 21, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Exactly right! The 2nd Amendment does not provide an absolute right to any firearm a citizen desires. It is well within the authority of the government to limit certain types of weapons and the amount of ammunition a citizen can legally own. No one should be allowed to amass a personal arsenal.

The SCOTUS has already ruled on the 2nd amendment rights of citizens. The country is awash in firearms, which could be eliminated, even if desired. The majority of citizens simply want reasonable limits and restrictions on gun ownership.

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 4:51 PM

You need to go read Scalia’s summary of the SC conclusion on the Heller decision. He referred specifically to the same type of small arms as would be found on the battlefield.

a capella on December 21, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Yet you trust the stability of staffed guards despite the same potential for snapping one day. Doesn’t make a lot of sense.

If, as you mentioned, we’re talking a selecting a few teachers to carry after undergoing proper scrutiny and training, and allowing them to carry, I’m more inclined to be on board with that. Though, I’m still more in favor of giving this responsibility to a hired guard who most likely has a work history of being a police officer or military and who I trust to make good and sound judgments as it relates to carry a weapon.

However, I’ve heard some people bat around the idea of basically just giving every single teacher a gun without any sort of serious screening process involved. You end up giving it to an unstable individua in this case and you’ll end up with a bad situation on your hand.

Realclearblue on December 21, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Wish this site had an option to edit your comments. Typos galore in my post above.

Realclearblue on December 21, 2012 at 5:38 PM

But the one thing that would have the most impact that would cost the least amount of money would be to allow staff with CCW permits to carry on campus. Even if no one on campus carried, the potential that some teachers are carrying would be enough to deter these kind of things. But it wouldn’t eliminate them. Nothing will eliminate.

xblade on December 21, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Absolutely correct.

ManWithNoName on December 21, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Ah yes, the high-capacity magazines were all the rage in 1789, when the Second was adopted.

Drew Lowell

As was the internet and cable tv news when the First Amendment was adopted.

xblade on December 21, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Oh, touche. Sorry. Guess I missed the reporting about that time when two dozen six-year-old children were slaughtered by the internet and cable TV news.

Drew Lowell on December 21, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Yes, let’s have an armed guard at every school. After all, the armed guard they had a Columbine did such a great job “protecting the kids.”

Drew Lowell on December 21, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Amazing how the drivel of Michael Moore manages to spread.

What Moore (and you) are ignoring is that the armed police officer at Columbine was able to quickly call for help/backup AND engaged the two teenage gunmen in a gunfight. This ultimately led to the two ending their rampage in the library where they killed themselves.

How many more kids would have been killed at Columbine if it had not been for the brave action of this cop? The two gunmen (I refuse to use their names) would have been firing on students instead of him.

Queasy on December 21, 2012 at 5:49 PM

I have the utmost respect for this man as well as the head of Gun Owners of America.

The pressure they are under from the left and still they stand their ground and take it and not just defend our freedoms.. they go on offense!

These people aren’t cowards. They are true heroes today.

Join one or both of these groups! Support them with your letters, emails and phone calls!
We want fighters. Here they are!
Imagine if we had some party leaders like these guys!

JellyToast on December 21, 2012 at 5:59 PM

I just love the way these idiot leftist argue. They prove our very points and don’t have the pretense of mind to even realize it. Keep digging you leftists. Idiots the lot of them. Must be children parking us. Lol! chump thinks its the biggest deal of his life that 0 got re-elected. He thinks it will benefit him. Lol! Foolish idiot. Hasn’t lived long I presume. Will never accomplish anything for himself or anyone for that matter. Will succeed at perishing though.

; )

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 6:05 PM

pretense=presence,….iPad thingy! Lol!

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 6:06 PM

parking=pranking, that time the iPad thingy tried to replace it with prancing. Lol!

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 6:08 PM

The left should not be allowed to control the terms of any firearms debate for one simple reason. They Are Ignorant. Do we really want people who refer to the Bushmaster purchased in Connecticut legally as an assault weapon? Considering that Connecticut has an assault weapons ban in place, that’s a pretty big neon signs screaming: I have no clue!

Wendya on December 21, 2012 at 6:19 PM

From The Onion…and a few months ago…not recently –
 
NRA Sets 1,000 Killed In School Shooting As Amount It Would Take For Them To Reconsider Much Of Anything…
 
verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 2:16 PM

 

You keep being the cut & paste quotes guy taking cheap and silly shots.
 
verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 3:36 PM

 
I just realized how hilariously hypocritical that 3:36 post was, btw.
 
Well done.

rogerb on December 21, 2012 at 6:32 PM

I just love the way these idiot leftist argue. They prove our very points and don’t have the pretense of mind to even realize it. Keep digging you leftists. Idiots the lot of them. Must be children parking us. Lol! chump thinks its the biggest deal of his life that 0 got re-elected. He thinks it will benefit him. Lol! Foolish idiot. Hasn’t lived long I presume. Will never accomplish anything for himself or anyone for that matter. Will succeed at perishing though.

; )

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Idiots like chumpThreads can look at Benghazi and Fast & Furious and still conclude that 0dumba is effective and serious about protecting people under his watch, which is one big reason we call such idiots, “idiots” in the first place!

Anti-Control on December 21, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Alternately,

We can just have the PTA form a group of CCW holders (in those places that actually respect people’s integrity) and station them whatever the distance required by law outside of school grounds.

Never in the same place, but nearby. In a few moments ride from the school, should it become necessary.

Not even every day. But enough of a presence to keep a potential perpetrator off balance.

It would be preferable to keep a resource officer on hand. But as a tertiary approach…

ProfShadow on December 21, 2012 at 7:04 PM

You keep being the cut & paste quotes guy taking cheap and silly shots.

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 3:36 PM

I just realized how hilariously hypocritical that 3:36 post was, btw.

Well done.

rogerb on December 21, 2012 at 6:32 PM

The whine you coaxed out of verbaluser at 3:36 is one of the greatest I’ve witnessed online – good job, rogerb! :)

Anti-Control on December 21, 2012 at 7:05 PM

rogerb on December 21, 2012 at 6:32 PM

Tsk, tsk. How embassaskin’. ROFL!

Superbly done, my friend.

kingsjester on December 21, 2012 at 7:19 PM

JOIN THE NRA NOW!

TX-96 on December 21, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Don’t infringe on responsible gun owners. In the same breathe, you want to determine what is/isn’t necessary for the right to bear arms.

It is not unreasonable to conclude that no citizen needs military-style weapons and high-capacity magazines for personal safety or sport shooting.

You want the government to determine (1) what types of guns can/can’t be used and (2)what is an acceptable purpose for guns.

Exactly right! The 2nd Amendment does not provide an absolute right to any firearm a citizen desires. It is well within the authority of the government to limit certain types of weapons and the amount of ammunition a citizen can legally own. No one should be allowed to amass a personal arsenal.

You are on a slippery slope that ends with government control over people’s lives. Typical liberal smokescreen: government tyranny under the guise of benevolence.

Kyle_Reese on December 21, 2012 at 4:37 PM

NRA fear-porn.
The SCOTUS has already ruled on the 2nd amendment rights of citizens. The country is awash in firearms, which could be eliminated, even if desired. The majority of citizens simply want reasonable limits and restrictions on gun ownership.

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Only in your mind do these exist.

chewmeister on December 21, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Yes, let’s have an armed guard at every school. After all, the armed guard they had a Columbine did such a great job “protecting the kids.”

Drew Lowell on December 21, 2012 at 5:23 PM

So, you would prefer that schools be advertised as “gun free zones” to encourage the nuts to know that they will be free to murder where they know there is no protection?

chewmeister on December 21, 2012 at 8:23 PM

If the media is ( and they are ) jumping up and down like
the jerks they are it must have been a acurate speech by the
NRA President.

Texyank on December 21, 2012 at 8:25 PM

While I support the NRA 100%…I don’t agree with ‘armed guards’ at our schools?

Have we turned 3rd world and I missed it

Redford on December 21, 2012 at 8:31 PM

I just became a member of the NRA.

disa on December 21, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Sorry, I had to leave the computer for three hours.
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It is not unreasonable to conclude that no citizen needs military-style weapons and high-capacity magazines for personal safety . . . . .
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chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 4:51 PM

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Yes it IS unreasonable, Chump’.
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. . . . . or sport shooting.

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 4:51 PM

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Sport shooting can be done with that Red Ryder / Daisy .177 … but what does that have to do with the argument?

The Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is not about the hobby / recreational / sporting uses of firearms. It is about the common American citizen being enabled with the physical capability to function as their own “first line of defense” against a tyranical government. Then comes defense against common criminals. After that comes dangerous / nuisance animals.

listens2glenn on December 21, 2012 at 9:15 PM

1
A card carrying NRA member teaches her mentally ill/unstable son to shoot firearms.

2
The same card carrying NRA member fails to secure her firearms and her mentally ill/unstable son takes those weapons, murders her with her own unsecured firearms, and then goes on a murderous rampage.

Why isn’t the NRA calling out one of its own members for gross negligence that resulted in a massacre?

Why wasn’t that part of Lapierre’s bullshit speech?

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 9:17 PM

The Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is not about the hobby / recreational / sporting uses of firearms. It is about the common American citizen being enabled with the physical capability to function as their own “first line of defense” against a tyranical government. Then comes defense against common criminals. After that comes dangerous / nuisance animals.

listens2glenn on December 21, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Nonsense.
It says “a well regulated militia”. We have police, national guard and an army in place of a militia today.

The second amendment gives no one the right to a personal arsenal or a machine gun.

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Ah yes, the high-capacity magazines were all the rage in 1789, when the Second was adopted.

Drew Lowell on December 21, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Another f’n trite moron. The ‘level of technology’ taunt is SUCH garbage. Do you not even realize you’re exercising your ‘free spech rights’ on a high speed internet, instead of a hand bill produced on a muscle-powere printing press?? Idiot.

rayra on December 21, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Oh, touche. Sorry. Guess I missed the reporting about that time when two dozen six-year-old children were slaughtered by the internet and cable TV news.

Drew Lowell on December 21, 2012 at 5:45 PM

An ahistorical cheap-shot-making idiot, at that.

Never heard of the Massacre at Ft William Henry, during the French and INdian War. Or all the other quite literal massacres during the age of the musket.

rayra on December 21, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Shut up Drywall, you dull idiot.

rayra on December 21, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Shut up Drywall, you dull idiot.

rayra on December 21, 2012 at 9:33 PM
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Awww, look, the pissy little 10 year old girl knows she has no answer so she just digs her hole of stupid deeper. Dig, dig, dig, little girl.

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 9:38 PM

It says “a well regulated militia”. We have police, national guard and an army in place of a militia today.

The second amendment gives no one the right to a personal arsenal or a machine gun.

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 9:25 PM

And AGAIN a demonstration of ignorance and lies by one of our leftist idiots.

In the parlance of the day, the ‘militia’ was every able-bodied free man, of all ages. it was NOT a formal state-controlled entity. And ‘regulated’ meant well-trained.

There are a thousand quotes, essays and letters by our Founders expressing clearly that the 2nd Amendment is for the individual (as are all the rest of the enumerated rights in the BIll Of Rights – that was the very purpose of the entire addendum, you ignorant savages) and that it was to provide and ensure that the citizenry would maintain a parity with which they could contest a tyrannical government. THAT is it’s purpose. And in that day, private individuals owned CANNON, too. And there was no such damning fiction over owning an ‘arsenal’. In fact it was the atempted seizure of an ‘arsenal’ by the Tories of old that kicked off the whole revolution. And here we are again.

/I blame George Washington for not exterminating the Tories while he held New York City.

rayra on December 21, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Awww, look, the pissy little 10 year old girl knows she has no answer so she just digs her hole of stupid deeper. Dig, dig, dig, little girl.

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Shut up again, Drywall. You’re dull.

rayra on December 21, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Shut up again, Drywall. You’re dull.

rayra on December 21, 2012 at 9:41 PM
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ha ha ha okay little girl

Type it in again – I know it makes you feel strong!

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 9:44 PM

The same card carrying NRA member fails to secure her firearms and her mentally ill/unstable son takes those weapons, murders her with her own unsecured firearms, and then goes on a murderous rampage.

This is a total lie. ^^

“…The basement of the Lanza home was fully carpeted and had artwork, including a picture of a horse, on the walls. There was a computer, a flat-screen television, couches and an elaborate setup for video games. Nancy Lanza kept her guns in what appeared to be a secure case in another part of the basement, Ford said.

http://news.yahoo.com/week-school-massacre-details-emerge-221307184.html

Liam on December 21, 2012 at 9:45 PM

his is a total lie. ^^

“…The basement of the Lanza home was fully carpeted and had artwork, including a picture of a horse, on the walls. There was a computer, a flat-screen television, couches and an elaborate setup for video games. Nancy Lanza kept her guns in what appeared to be a secure case in another part of the basement, Ford said.”

http://news.yahoo.com/week-school-massacre-details-emerge-221307184.html

Liam on December 21, 2012 at 9:45 PM
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Did the son get the guns?

Are over 2 dozen people dead?

Then the f*cking guns were not secure, Dr. Giantbrain.

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 9:53 PM

It is not unreasonable to conclude that no citizen needs military-style weapons and high-capacity magazines for personal safety

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 4:51 PM

That depends on whether you are attempting to secure your personal safety against a government or not.

Exactly right! The 2nd Amendment does not provide an absolute right to any firearm a citizen desires. It is well within the authority of the government to limit certain types of weapons and the amount of ammunition a citizen can legally own. No one should be allowed to amass a personal arsenal.

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 4:51 PM

I can see you don’t understand the phrase “shall not be infringed.”

Nonsense.
It says “a well regulated militia”. We have police, national guard and an army in place of a militia today.

The second amendment gives no one the right to a personal arsenal or a machine gun.

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 9:25 PM

listens2glenn has it right. You’re wrong.

GWB on December 21, 2012 at 10:00 PM

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Removing firearms that are capable of enabling a private citizen to defend themself against government tyranny, renders the Second Amendment null and void. It does so without actually holding a Constitutional Convention to properly rescind it.
listens2glenn on December 21, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Have you read Heller?
Your reading of the 2nd doesn’t have the support of even the conservatives on the court.

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Shut up Drywall. If we want to hear your brand of gibbering nonsense, we can just turn on Piers.

rayra on December 21, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Really ??

Cherry picking the parts that weren’t there is easy.
The media got almost 100 % of the reports wrong.

Expect more wrongness from-em, it’s what they do best.

Texyank on December 21, 2012 at 10:12 PM

The Second Amendment … is about the common American citizen being enabled with the physical capability to function as their own “first line of defense” against a tyranical government. Then comes defense against common criminals. After that comes dangerous / nuisance animals.

listens2glenn on December 21, 2012 at 9:15 PM

I like the way you put that.

GWB on December 21, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Really ??

Cherry picking the parts that weren’t there is easy.
The media got almost 100 % of the reports wrong.

Expect more wrongness from-em, it’s what they do best.

Texyank on December 21, 2012 at 10:12 PM
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No cherry picking whatsoever

Fact
Mommy was a member of the NRA
Fact
She had a bunch of legal guns.
Fact
She allowed her mentally ill/unstable son to get a hold of her unsecured firearms and murder her and all those people in Newtown.

Those are all the facts you need.

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 10:16 PM

I saw that in your first post. Your saying fact. . .

The media sent out confirmed reports minutes-hours-days after
and were wrong almost 100% in doing so.

Agains its easy to cherry pick. You may be correct. She’s not here to defend herself and the media fact is not a balanced source.

Comprende

Texyank on December 21, 2012 at 10:39 PM

listens2glenn on December 21, 2012 at 4:00 PM
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Have you read Heller?
Your reading of the 2nd doesn’t have the support of even the conservatives on the court.

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 10:08 PM

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The Second Amendment to the U.S Constitution IS about Private citizens having weapons of no less capability that the weapons used by law enforcement, on all levels.

That includes the FBI, BATF, IRS, U.S. Marshals, and all others going down to your local Twp or Boro Police.

Heller’s opinion on this matter be damned.

I’m not limiting my beliefs to the opinions of any politicians.
That includes any of the “black robe wearing bench-sitters”.

listens2glenn on December 21, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Nonsense.
It says “a well regulated militia”. We have police, national guard and an army in place of a militia today.

The second amendment gives no one the right to a personal arsenal or a machine gun.

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 9:25 PM

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listens2glenn has it right. You’re wrong.

GWB on December 21, 2012 at 10:00 PM

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Militia is NOT a branch or any part of the military service.

Our men and women in uniform are supposed to have the highest capability weapons that exist within our reach. But on duty military personnel are supposed to answer ultimately to the Commander in Chief.

A militia is specifically supposed to be made up of civilians who are not under any sort of sworn oath to any other elected political power. These afore mentioned civilians are not to be restricted to weapons having any less capability than that of any of our branches of law enforcement.
Civilians should be allowed to possess anything the FBI, BATF, IRS, U.S. Marshals, and all others going down to our local Twp and Boro Police have.

listens2glenn on December 21, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 10:16 PM

What’s your definition of ‘secured’ drywall, locked up at the police station down the block, as in Britain?

Most ‘safes’ are properly termed Residential Security Containers (RSCs) and they can be torn into in about 20mins. And can cost up to $1000. Most have a key lock or combination and thin sheetmetal sides. The MURDERER had all the time he needed to breech such storage.
More robust safes cost quite a bit more.

And once again a liberal dipshit has placed blamed on an object and not on the criminal committing the murderous act.

rayra on December 21, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Anyone with even half a brain knows that these whacked out
monsters are cowards. If they weren’t cowards they would take
their weapons and attack a marine barracks or perhaps a gun
shooting range where people would fight back.

They attack schools because they know they will meet little
resistance because of the gun free zones mandated by our government.

They are evil. Yes, libtards, evil does exist in this world.
All your little feeling good regs will not change this fact.

And no matter what we do, we cannot eradicate evil in our world.
However, we can reduce the evil deeds and the harm it causes society.

Firearms in capable hands in schools is what is required. No other discussion needed.

Amjean on December 21, 2012 at 11:59 PM

All you ass hat trolls, please by all means keep up the commenting, more please. You save me a great deal of typing. You make the points I would only dream of being able to make. Keep up the great work. Sweat boys sweat.

Bmore on December 22, 2012 at 12:03 AM

verbaluce on December 21, 2012

…put a barrel up your anal cavity and let Dick Dryrot bend his finger!

KOOLAID2 on December 22, 2012 at 12:30 AM

We established however some, although not all its [self-government] important principles . The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved,) or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed;
—Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824. Memorial Edition 16:45, Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.

No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
—Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776.

Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.
—Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).

Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American…[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.
—Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

[W]hen the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually…I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers. But I cannot say who will be the militia of the future day. If that paper on the table gets no alteration, the militia of the future day may not consist of all classes, high and low, and rich and poor…
—George Mason

“And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; …”
Samuel Adams
quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, “Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State”

“Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.”
George Washington
First President of the United States

“What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.”
Thomas Jefferson
to James Madison

rayra on December 22, 2012 at 1:50 AM

listens2glenn on December 21, 2012 at 4:00 PM
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Have you read Heller?
Your reading of the 2nd doesn’t have the support of even the conservatives on the court.
verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 10:08 PM
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The Second Amendment to the U.S Constitution IS about Private citizens having weapons of no less capability that the weapons used by law enforcement, on all levels.
That includes the FBI, BATF, IRS, U.S. Marshals, and all others going down to your local Twp or Boro Police.
Heller’s opinion on this matter be damned.
I’m not limiting my beliefs to the opinions of any politicians.
That includes any of the “black robe wearing bench-sitters”.
listens2glenn on December 21, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Thing is though, your ‘beliefs’ are not what matters here.

verbaluce on December 22, 2012 at 7:42 AM

Awww, look, the pissy little 10 year old girl knows she has no answer so she just digs her hole of stupid deeper. Dig, dig, dig, little girl.

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 9:38 PM

This quote absolutely goes into my “moron file”.

Out of the hundreds of idiotic statements I’ve collected (from all over the political spectrum) this one would most definitely make the top ten.

And I guarantee you he has no idea what is so idiotic about it. Progressives always believe they’re the smartest person in the room. Even if it’s a room full of progressives.

Squiggy on December 22, 2012 at 8:33 AM

Awww, look, the pissy little 10 year old girl knows she has no answer so she just digs her hole of stupid deeper. Dig, dig, dig, little girl.
 
Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 9:38 PM

 
This quote absolutely goes into my “moron file”.
…progressives.
 
Squiggy on December 22, 2012 at 8:33 AM

 
Republican war on women.

rogerb on December 22, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Ah yes, the high-capacity magazines were all the rage in 1789, when the Second was adopted.

Drew Lowell on December 21, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Ah, yes, the television and internet were all the rage in 1789, when the FIRST was adopted.

Are you really trying to posit that the Second only refers to weapons and accoutrements in use at the time?
Then, freedom of the press only applies to hand operated printing presses using hand-set type. Anything else can be “regulated” (i.e.: censored)

I suppose, though, that you were being intentionally obtuse; because no one could be that ‘naturally’ stupid.

Solaratov on December 22, 2012 at 9:58 AM

The majority of citizens simply want reasonable limits and restrictions on gun ownership.

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Now you’re just lying, chimpy.

Solaratov on December 22, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Oh, touche. Sorry. Guess I missed the reporting about that time when two dozen six-year-old children were slaughtered by the internet and cable TV news.

Drew Lowell on December 21, 2012 at 5:45 PM

And you must have missed the reporting when thousands of islamofascist were goaded into rioting and killing many more than that paltry number by the internet and television.

Not only are you stupid, you flaccid little twit, you’re a quibbler and a coward.

Solaratov on December 22, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Have we turned 3rd world and I missed it

Redford on December 21, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Not quite yet…but give obama and holder a little more time. They’re working on it as hard as they can.

Solaratov on December 22, 2012 at 10:10 AM

The second amendment gives no one the right to a personal arsenal or a machine gun.

chumpThreads on December 21, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Show where it prohibits that. Shows any limits that the Second puts on weapons/arms.

Solaratov on December 22, 2012 at 10:12 AM

Awww, look, the pissy little 10 year old girl knows she has no answer so she just digs her hole of stupid deeper. Dig, dig, dig, little girl.

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Awww, drywall…why do you dislike little girls so much? Or is it just females in general?
I’ll bet you just love little boys though. Your sort usually does.

Why do you hate women, drywall?

Do you have mommy issues?

Solaratov on December 22, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Those are all the facts you need.

Dave Rywall on December 21, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Typical lynch mob mentality.

But then, drywall’s a leftoid drone – and they’re all in favor of lynching (like their proteges the KKK).

Solaratov on December 22, 2012 at 10:21 AM

listens2glenn on December 21, 2012 at 10:52 PM

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Thing is though, your ‘beliefs’ are not what matters here.

verbaluce on December 22, 2012 at 7:42 AM

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The fact that you believe that is troubling on it’s own.

listens2glenn on December 22, 2012 at 10:22 AM

THIS proves the Democrats don’t care about the children.

They are just would-be-busybody-tyrants that want unarmed serfs to lord over.

Evil.

PappyD61 on December 21, 2012 at 2:05 PM

This x 1,000,000. It’s all they’ve ever wanted.

PatriotGal2257 on December 22, 2012 at 1:46 PM

“In order for evil to flourish, all that is required is for good men to do nothing”
- Edmund Burke

Another Drew on December 22, 2012 at 4:21 PM

What is the NRA?

The NRA is the largest, and oldest, civil-rights organization in America.
Its complete focus is on the 2nd Amendment (which is why it can support someone like Senator Harry Reid of Nevada-D, who could never be described as a conservative Republican, but has been very good on gun-rights); an amendment which recognizes, and guarantees, the right of citizens to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves, and others, free from government interference or coercion (it’s that “shall not be infringed” part).

It is composed of 4-5 Million Members (individuals), and is growing (currently) at the rate of 8,000+ members per day –
and what makes it uncomfortable for politicians, those members vote.
It represents those individuals.

The firearms industry has its own lobbying organization, the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), which (incidently) is located in Connecticut. NSSF represents Manufacturers, Importers, Distributors, and Retailers, in the firearms trade.

Another Drew on December 22, 2012 at 4:36 PM

While I’m disappointed by LaPierre’s attack on video games I am so glad to see the NRA move into action defending our rights from the creeps trying to disarm law abiding Americans. What make a lot of sense is to end so called “gun-free” zones at schools, and permit qualified adults to concealed carry. This will both serve as a deterrent and a potential violence stopper. It is relatively easy to implement legally and already has been used successfully in some states and districts.

Those unwilling to at least try this approach have no case when they demand extreme actions depriving us of our rights with no experiential basis.

DaMav on December 22, 2012 at 10:06 PM

“In order for evil to flourish, all that is required is for good men to do nothing”
- Edmund Burke

Another Drew on December 22, 2012 at 4:21 PM

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Boy … if that isn’t a “prophecy” of what happened to the U.S. after WWII. : (

listens2glenn on December 22, 2012 at 10:14 PM

“In order for evil to flourish, all that is required is for good men to do nothing”
- Edmund Burke

Another Drew on December 22, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Boy … if that isn’t a “prophecy” of what happened to the U.S. after WWII. : (

listens2glenn on December 22, 2012 at 10:14 PM

That’s it, exactly.

David Blue on December 24, 2012 at 4:12 AM

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