LaTourette: Blame Tea Party “chuckleheads,” not Boehner’s leadership

posted at 4:16 pm on December 21, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Let the recriminations begin!  Now that the House Republican caucus has fallen apart, at least momentarily, we can expect a lot of finger-pointing and blame-throwing from all sides — and in fact, it started almost immediately last night.  Fox and Friends plays this reaction from Rep. Steven LaTourette (R-OH), who says not to blame John Boehner for last night’s failure of his Plan B strategy.  Instead, LaTourette blames the Tea Party “chuckleheads” who have “screwed this place up.”

Republican Rep. Steven LaTourette said that Boehner is not to blame for the stalemate, the Tea Party is.

“I don’t know what the number is but say the number is 40 out of 240 – that’s not a repudiation of his leadership. That’s the same 40, 50 chuckleheads that all year … have screwed this place up. And he has done everything in his power to make nice to them, to bring them along, to make them feel included, but it hasn’t mattered,” he said.

I’m not sure that kicking a few of them out of their committee assignments in the last week or so made them feel particularly included.  Here’s a question for LaTourette: why do that before walking out on a limb with this Plan B strategy, since it would obviously alienate them and their allies just before a leadership-affirming vote like this?  That goes directly to strategy and leadership.  If Boehner and his team wanted to punish a few people for disunity, perhaps it should have waited until after the fiscal-cliff negotiations ended, no?

That’s not to say that LaTourette doesn’t have a genuine beef, either.  Steve Doocy defends the Tea Party opposition to Plan B as a response to Boehner abandoning the key principle of not raising taxes. Unfortunately, that doesn’t make much sense as a defense.   At some point, we either cut a deal before the fiscal cliff raises everyone’s taxes, or go off the fiscal cliff and raise everyone’s taxes, or cut the deal after raising everyone’s taxes temporarily.  To the extent that the Tea Party caucus had an impact yesterday, it was a push toward those latter two outcomes.  And if either of the latter two outcomes happen, then Barack Obama will be able to claim credit for a massive middle-class tax cut after the fact, and the media will be more than happy to help build that narrative.

Republicans lost the presidential race and lost ground in the Senate, which means that they’re not going to be able to force a deal that doesn’t include some kind of tax hikes now.   Even the “revenue” that Boehner put on the table in his previous offers means tax increases — just not rate increases, a point on which Obama ran and won his second term as President.  That is what is meant by “elections have consequences.”  Apparently, the implications of the loss in November still haven’t sunk in with some in the House GOP.

Still, the “chuckleheads” to whom LaTourette refers got elected to their offices the same way Boehner and LaTourette did, and have as much claim to a mandate within their own districts. It’s the job of effective leadership to craft strategies that include enough of the caucus to bring them along — and to time punishment so that it doesn’t damage the key strategies in high-stakes negotiations.  There seems to be plenty of blame to go around today in the House Republican caucus, and name-calling won’t help resolve the situation.


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Leave it to a principle-deprived country club Republican squish like LaTourette to blame conservatives for the Congressional majority’s problems.
No, Mr La, no. THe problem lies in people like you and Mr Boehner. You can not lead a principled debate, nor principle opposition when you HAVE NO principles that you will not abandon at a moment’s notice. You are nothing more than a slightly less socialist, and somewhat doughier version of the typical congressional Democrat. And that, sir is insufficient.

orangemtl on December 21, 2012 at 5:19 PM

For a fun look at this:

Pretend that you see the White House, House and Senate chambers up in D.C. from high above looking down on them, they are encircled by a huge mote, when you look close at a map of the area,,,, the mote’s name is “De nile”..

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 21, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Plan B was stupid but the guy’s got a point. If these Congressman are not interested in governing, and just saying no to everything is not governing, then they have no business in government. When you just got plastered in an election and are barely holding on to one chamber of Congress, it’s absurd to think you can dictate. They’re going to cost us the House, and then we’ll see how they like the results.

blue13326 on December 21, 2012 at 5:20 PM

TheRightMan on December 21, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Yep. Now, the rubber meets the road. There has to be at least one more bit of kabuki brinksmanship before we all tumble over the edge, though. Doesn’t there? Is it all used up?

a capella on December 21, 2012 at 5:21 PM

The radio station I’m listening to is still waiting for the President to speak about the fiscal cliff. (twenty-one minutes late)

Fallon on December 21, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Today is easy pickings … just repost what I posted on last night’s Open Thread.

Let’s flip this discussion over …
… for all these Kick.The.Can Candya$$ RINO’s

We are still less than four years in to the Obama Presidency.

The Federal Reserve has admitted that if they were not buying every bit of U.S. Treasuries dated 10 years and longer, the S&P 500 would be back in the 600′s – EXACTLY where it was when Bernanke started destroying free market capitalism – primarily to save the Too Big Too Fail / Too Big Too Jail banks.

He has now committed to spend $ 1 trillion per year to keep the charade going – forever.

No problem in the eyes of the Kick.The.Can Candya$$ RINO’s

The SCOAMF administration is running $ 1+ trillion budget defecits every year without ever actually having a budget.

And Boehner’s Plan B does NOTHING to address that issue or the GROWING insolvency of the United States. It impact less than 0.2% of the rate of growth.

Prediction: the 2013 budget defecit will top $ 2 trillion and will only continue to grow thereafter.

No problem in the eyes of the Kick.The.Can Candya$$ RINO’s

The MSM has openly merged itself with the SCOAMF administration and all of its goals. Over 60% of the the American public has this view and distrusts the MSM because of it. The people know they are being lied to – even the ones who support Obama and refuse to face up to reality.

The country is headed for an inevitable financial collapse …

… and somehow this is no problem in the eyes of the Kick.The.Can Candya$$ RINO’s

We should only focus on the politics of the moment and one possible though dubious path to the mid-term elections.

“Anything else … well, you’re not a realist.”

We ARE the realists. Like an old growth forest going up in a massive forest fire, the best path forward is to …

Let.It.Burn!

and all of you Kick.The.Can Candya$$ RINO’s, please be our guest – feel free to hoist “Weepy” Boehner on your shoulders and march into the figurative flames.

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Chuckleheads, eh?

Once upon a time, the Speaker of the House was supposed to be the smartest, most skilled politician of their party in the House of Representatives.

It was a given the Speaker knew his caucus well enough to NOT put forward something that did not have the necessary votes to pass.

In fact, absent some larger objective the caucus had bought into beforehand, the very idea of doing so would have caused the Speaker his position because he had only managed to get the Speakership based on being a leader – not a dictator.

Welcome to the reign of King Obama the SCOAMF, a clown prince who was thrust into the Presidency by the efforts of Harry “I love little boys” Reid and Nancy “You’ve never met anyone crazier than me” Pelosi on the condition the SCOAMF understood his place and never tried to dictate anything not originating from Harry & Nancy.

(For those of you in denial, please read Bob Woodward’s book on the debt limit negotiations.)

The Republican Royalists (aka the Kick.The.Can Candya$$ RINO’s) for some strange reason believe Speaker Boehner MUST HAVE absolute obedience when votes are called from the Republican Congress caucus members. Caucus members voting their own conscience are guily of treason, TREASON, TREASON !!!!

The above would be funny … if it wasn’t true.</strong

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… and for Representative LaTourette and his defenders …

What percentage of what exactly has Boehner won for Republicans since being elected Speaker in 2011?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm??????

PolAgnostic on December 21, 2012 at 5:22 PM

I’m a pretty informed person and for the life of me I couldn’t tell what other than “he is a better manager” his entire campaign was about.

unseen on December 21, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Mitt had me after the first debate. He lost me after the first ten minutes of the third. Some guy named Ben from Ghazi he didn’t think was important.

Well, I guess he would have been a better manager anyway. Truth in advertising. Something Obama knows nothing about.

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 5:22 PM

At this point the Republicans take all the blame for going over the fiscal cliff. From my perspective, that’s a pretty stupid move on the Republican’s part.

GCM on December 21, 2012 at 4:58 PM

If the Republicans cease to exist, that’s no skin off my nose. Perhaps you were simply never told that Nero burned Rome and blamed the Christians for it. He even rounded-up and crucified many of them for the alleged crime. And yet, history records that it was Nero that burned Rome — in order to make room for his new palace.

My collie says:

Ask yourself “Where are the Roman emperors today?” and “Were the Roman emperors successful in their efforts to ‘stamp out’ Christianity?”

Somehow, I suspect that both Christians and conservatives will be alive and kicking LONG after the American republic is nothing more than a distant memory — presuming that the human race is still around to tell the story.

CyberCipher on December 21, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Congressman LaTourette your state Ohio is one of the reasons we have this socialist again for another 4 years.

logman1 on December 21, 2012 at 5:25 PM

They’re going to cost us the House, and then we’ll see how they like the results.

blue13326 on December 21, 2012 at 5:20 PM

I’ve heard some version of that line every year for fifty years. It’s why we are sixteen trillion in the hole. No one wants to take a stand, so we go along to get along and just raise the debt ceiling ’cause it’s easier.

a capella on December 21, 2012 at 5:25 PM

I am not convinced that the country even understands the BUSH tax cuts expiring are for the middle class and this will bring it home.

Conan on December 21, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Of course they don’t – they all saw the Dems parade on TV and prattle on for years about “Bush’s Tax Cuts for the Rich”, blah blah. Tom Daschle had a press conference and used a $200 muffler as a stage prop to show how meaningless the “Bush Tax Cuts for the Rich” were going to be for the middle class.

Midas on December 21, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Yo, Washington D.C. Two Party Evil Money Cult Elite, your broke, your going to break U.S. and we are your f’n piggey bank.

Dam fools.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 21, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Reports of the Tea Party’s death are greatly exaggerated.

Finally some legislators with a spine.

weaselyone on December 21, 2012 at 5:28 PM

If Obama later tries to negotiate a tax cut, and correct me if I am wrong… doesn’t that have to originate in the House? We match him and go lower. If he asks for a rate of X, we give him X – 10.

TheRightMan on December 21, 2012 at 4:30 PM

You mean that Obama will negotiate a tax cut for the middle class, I guess. Obama is not going to offer a tax cut for the “rich”. That means that their taxes will go up.

Where’s the win for the GOP?

Gelsomina on December 21, 2012 at 5:30 PM

So why is this guy complaining? Because he can’t get some conscientious representatives to sign on to further looting the prosperity of our descendents?

Is that it? We are to blame for being so irresponsible as to allow this runaway printing, borrowing and spending government juggernaut to exist in the first place. Why are morons like this one from Ohio trying so hard to see it continue?

The term fiscal cliff is not even remotely an accurate description of what these guys are trying to do. They are actually attempting to remove the guard rail that was put in place as a last protection against destroying our economy completely. How is any kind of compromise that includes spending more averting a fiscal cliff? It’s actually a way of circumventing it to make certain we crash and burn.

My GOD, people! Wake the hell up!

ROCnPhilly on December 21, 2012 at 5:30 PM

f the tea party isn’t welcome it is time to abandon and terminate the Republican Party, like we were doing in ’06, ’08 and ’12.

FloatingRock on December 21, 2012 at 5:18 PM

The 40 or 50 NEW Tea Party members represent the difference between the 2008 MINORITY of 177 and the new majority that made Boehner Speaker. The RINOs think they can go back to business as usual and THIS time they will not be put back in the minority by the voters. I would think there was a lesson in the majority surviving in House the cult turnout of Obama but apparently when the voters elect SOME people it doesn’t count as the voice of the people.

Conan on December 21, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Plan B was stupid but the guy’s got a point. If these Congressman are not interested in governing, and just saying no to everything is not governing, then they have no business in government. When you just got plastered in an election and are barely holding on to one chamber of Congress, it’s absurd to think you can dictate. They’re going to cost us the House, and then we’ll see how they like the results.

blue13326 on December 21, 2012 at 5:20 PM

I’m sorry, but that’s simply a pile of bull squeeze, and a steaming, ill-informed pile at that.

“Just saying no to everything”? This House has passed numerous bills addressing fiscal issues, taxation, spending, etc – that sit awaiting attention in the Senate.

“Saying no to everything” – wow, there’s a soundbite you scooped right out of Chris Matthew’s mouth, isn’t it?

Midas on December 21, 2012 at 5:30 PM

“circumventing it” -> “circumnavigating the guard rail”

ROCnPhilly on December 21, 2012 at 5:32 PM

can one politician or JournOlist tell me why after we fall into the Fiscal Abyss of Doom *DOOM, Doom, doom* -

I’ll wake up and be fine, but someone’s Obamaphone might go out of service?

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Plan B was stupid but the guy’s got a point. If these Congressman are not interested in governing, and just saying no to everything is not governing, then they have no business in government. When you just got plastered in an election and are barely holding on to one chamber of Congress, it’s absurd to think you can dictate. They’re going to cost us the House, and then we’ll see how they like the results.
blue13326 on December 21, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Blue you read too much of the NYT if you believe that the party interesting in just saying no is the Republicans. I wonder what you would think of a Republican Senate that defied law and didn’t pass a budget for 3 years. Would that be governing?

Try not to suck up the labels the left tries to give us when they are trying to win a political fight.

Conan on December 21, 2012 at 5:34 PM

I don’t know what the number is but say the number is 40 out of 240 – that’s not a repudiation of his leadership.

It certainly isn’t a ringing endorsement.

That’s the same 40, 50 chuckleheads that all year … have screwed this place up. And he has done everything in his power to make nice to them, to bring them along, to make them feel included, but it hasn’t mattered,”

In other words, they couldn’t be bought.

Sounds refreshing to me.

weaselyone on December 21, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Wow, a whole lotta teh stoopid. Plenty of stupid to go around! Get it while its hot!

If Republicans aren’t careful,they might achieve stupid critical mass and have a thermonuclear moron meltdown.

novaculus on December 21, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Speaking of waiting for the president, when’s Obama heading for Hawaii? Are the girls already there?

Fallon on December 21, 2012 at 5:36 PM

If Republicans aren’t careful,they might achieve stupid critical mass and have a thermonuclear moron meltdown.

novaculus on December 21, 2012 at 5:35 PM

return of SMOD

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Oh, he’s speaking now…

Fallon on December 21, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Yet, I bet he’s never referred to a single democrat as a chucklehead for tearing this country apart with their failed policies and class warfare rhetoric.

xblade on December 21, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Obama… blah blah blah… Long haul. I offered to compromise I met them halfway on taxes and more than halfway on spending cuts…

Ten days… No reason not to protect middle class from tax hike.

Hey, Obama, someone has to pay for your utopian society.

Fallon on December 21, 2012 at 5:39 PM

what’s so bad about chuckleheads? They’re heads, they chuckle. It’s not even a real word. It’s like Islamophobia.

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 5:39 PM

The GOP has a bad hand..Last night it became a worse hand..:(

Dire Straits on December 21, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Hey, Obama, someone has to pay for your utopian society.

Fallon on December 21, 2012 at 5:39 PM

I say we send in Christian Bale with some pistols and a sword to take out the Boy King.

Equilibrium, now that would have been a good book, but it settled for being the best movie ever.

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 5:41 PM

We move forward together or we don’t move forward at all….

Drink some eggnog, eat some cookies…

Just as our economy is starting to recover… Now is not the time for self inflicted wounds (I swear he said it.)

Fallon on December 21, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Republicans lost the presidential race and lost ground in the Senate, which means that they’re not going to be able to force a deal that doesn’t include some kind of tax hikes now.

Republicans dont’ have to make a deal to tax hikes, what possible incentive do they have? What are you talking about, AP? Because Obama won the election? Well you know what Obama didn’t win? the House of Representatives. Obama didn’t win control of the Republican Party. If Democrats want to increase taxes then let them do it on their own, they can’t make Republicans help. That’s not reasonable.

If Democrats don’t want to increase taxes on their own without Republican help, (because raising taxes during a depression is stupid), then the onus is on Democrats to find an alternative that either they can vote on alone without Republican support or find a reasonable compromise with Republicans.

If RINO’s are going to place more faith in left-wing propaganda than the actual truth, then screw RINO’s, the truth still prevails.

FloatingRock on December 21, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Plan B was stupid but the guy’s got a point. If these Congressman are not interested in governing, and just saying no to everything is not governing, then they have no business in government. When you just got plastered in an election and are barely holding on to one chamber of Congress, it’s absurd to think you can dictate. They’re going to cost us the House, and then we’ll see how they like the results.

blue13326 on December 21, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Are you referring to the Dems? They never actually compromise. The GOP members that told Boehner to piss off have the right idea. He’s a useless pile of dung as are the other country club RINOs.

We are in a street fight. Act like it or lose.

dogsoldier on December 21, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Odd, you would think that the Democrats being in power for most of the say last 70 years would be responsible for some of the problems and the debt. Likewise the Republican older leadership being in office many of them or like 20 to 40 years. But seems the msm and the trolls think it all falls on the 50 to 80 conservatives just elected in 2010.

One way to look at it,, very very powerfull 50 to 80 guys and very very busy for these 4 years.

or

More bull shit commie msm and rino crap.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 21, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Just another note on Ed’s theory above. If Obama thinks he can make the Bush tax cuts the Obama tax cuts by going off the cliff how are you going to stop him? WHy will he stop short would be a better question.

Both sides gambled they could win the 2012 Presidential election when they made the last deal. You are betting good money after bad and just destroying your own party to try and force a “win” from Obama now.

I guarantee that back in 2011 they said we are either out of office of in this win-win situation when they made the deal to extend the tax cuts till 2013. Why do you think Obama did something he so hated to do back and extend the tax cuts. Simple answer it got it off the tab;e for the re-election and in the event of his re-election he could do what you are seeing now.

Conan on December 21, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Ten days, nobody can get 100% of what they want…

Real world consequences…

Radio station got bored and cut away.

Fallon on December 21, 2012 at 5:43 PM

just as our economy is starting to recover… Now is not the time for self inflicted wounds (I swear he said it.)

Fallon on December 21, 2012 at 5:41 PM

no sh!!t? I guess it’s finally not Bush’s economy anymore. The Media will soon start acting accordingly I’m sure.

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 5:43 PM

I am really sick of Republican members stating what we have to do to win. If we win, and let the Dems have what they want anyways-why the hell does it matter if we win?

Furthermore, those that you think will “win” for us- i.e., Romney, Boehner- don’t have any frickin fight in them at all.

Boehner stupidedly started throwing people out of their committee positions and then expects support for something that goes against their principles. How frickin stupid is Boehner and his ilk.

Plan B was smokescreen that would have been killed in the Senate and quickly forgotten by low information voters. And if you think by passing it, the media was suddenly going to carry water for the Repubs- you people are delusional. And frankly our messanger, Boehner is too busy infighting than to actually get the message out that it is the DEMS who are fault for this whole thing.

melle1228 on December 21, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Oh dear, my post above at 5:42 , forgot,,,,

BUSH

99.99% his fault.

How could I have miss that.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 21, 2012 at 5:46 PM

@melle1228

Beohner’s so dumb he sits on the TV and watches the couch

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Steven LaTourette is probably the most liberal Republican in the House (52% ACU rating for 2011). He would have to make a sharp right just to attain RINO status. Thankfully after 17 years this piece of sh!t finally decided to hang it up.

bw222 on December 21, 2012 at 5:47 PM

“There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil. The man who is wrong still retains some respect for the truth, if only by accepting the responsibility of choice. But the man in the middle is the knave who blanks out the truth in order to pretend that no choice or values exist, who is willing to sit out the course of any battle, willing to cash in on the blood of the innocent or to crawl on his belly to the guilty, who dispensed justice by condemning both the robber and the robbed to jail, who solves conflicts by ordering the thinker air the fool to meet halfway. In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win. In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit. In that transfusion of blood which drains the good to feed the evil, the compromiser is the transmitting rubber tube.”

John Galt’s speech
Atlas Shrugged p. 1054

njrob on December 21, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Dire Straits on December 21, 2012 at 5:39 PM

I don’t expect much, but they need to be on the same page and have a clear message. They don’t appear to be able to do that at this point.

It was a mistake to enter into this negotiation charade with Obama in the first place. Stupid, really. When his preposterous first offer took back all the promised spending cuts they should have recognized that he was acting in bad faith and called his bluff, right then.

Instead they let Obama and Axelrod lead them through a three act political theater, in the roles of the bumbling and craven villains. There is a happy ending to the play, when the righteous boy-king thwarts the villains and saves the middle class from higher taxes.

The End.

novaculus on December 21, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Plan B was smokescreen that would have been killed in the Senate and quickly forgotten by low information voters. And if you think by passing it, the media was suddenly going to carry water for the Repubs- you people are delusional. And frankly our messanger, Boehner is too busy infighting than to actually get the message out that it is the DEMS who are fault for this whole thing.

melle1228 on December 21, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Plan B would have died in the Senate..But now we (GOP) have lost our negotiating power due to last night..:(

PS..The problem here is the SENATE..:(

Dire Straits on December 21, 2012 at 5:52 PM

There is no excuse for any such negotiations to be held in private.
A Conservative would have demanded it be televised imo. It’s our money..our future, yet it’s done behind closed doors, and all we know is what they tell us??

Mimzey on December 21, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Listen LaTourette (was the syndrome named after this chump?): it’s not about ‘inclusion’; it’s ABOUT THE DAMN MATH!

CUTS – ARE – ESSENTIAL!

michaelo on December 21, 2012 at 5:54 PM

At least we have 40 to 50 members of Congress that realize we are broke and are tired of being taxed to death. Maybe we can increase the numbers in 2014.

DDay on December 21, 2012 at 5:55 PM

I am not convinced that the country even understands the BUSH tax cuts expiring are for the middle class and this will bring it home.

Conan on December 21, 2012 at 5:14 PM

There are plenty of commenters on this site that don’t know it.

All the “Let it burn” tough guys, who think that the Democrats actually have to DO something to raise our taxes, while the GOP “votes present.” The Dems don’t have to do anything but wait.

Priscilla on December 21, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Plan B would have died in the Senate..But now we (GOP) have lost our negotiating power due to last night..:(

PS..The problem here is the SENATE..:(

Dire Straits on December 21, 2012 at 5:52 PM

You realize that “Boehner” is the only one negotiating right. Negotiating actually has to come from both sides. Repubs would have handed crap to Obama and he is going to give NOTHING up. Good luck negotiating someone who is winning the PR war, because Repubs are incompetent and don’t know how to deal with a hostile media.

And good luck getting any HELP in the Republican caucus when Boehner came out all wussified and blamed them.

melle1228 on December 21, 2012 at 5:57 PM

I am really sick of Republican members stating what we have to do to win. If we win, and let the Dems have what they want anyways-why the hell does it matter if we win?…

melle1228 on December 21, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Truth be told, the Demonrats are “winning” in pretty much the same fashion as Charlie Sheen.

My collie says:

I don’t know about you, but I’d rather be dead than be Charlie Sheen.

CyberCipher on December 21, 2012 at 5:58 PM

There are plenty of commenters on this site that don’t know it.

All the “Let it burn” tough guys, who think that the Democrats actually have to DO something to raise our taxes, while the GOP “votes present.” The Dems don’t have to do anything but wait.

Priscilla on December 21, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Yeah we are uninformed because we don’t agree with the might Priscilla. Some of us have ALOT riding on the frickin resolution, but some of don’t want it to be status quo or put us in a worse place. Do you people even realize that in 10 years JUST THE INTEREST ON THE DEBT will be paying for China’s military every year.

melle1228 on December 21, 2012 at 5:59 PM

There are plenty of commenters on this site that don’t know it.

All the “Let it burn” tough guys, who think that the Democrats actually have to DO something to raise our taxes, while the GOP “votes present.” The Dems don’t have to do anything but wait.

Priscilla on December 21, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Yeah we are uninformed because we don’t agree with the mighty Priscilla. Some of us have ALOT riding on the frickin resolution, but some of don’t want it to be status quo or put us in a worse place. Do you people even realize that in 10 years JUST THE INTEREST ON THE DEBT will be paying for China’s military every year.

melle1228 on December 21, 2012 at 5:59 PM

LaTorette(RINO OH) quit Congress this year. Claims he can’t work with the Tea Party conservatives. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out chucklehead.

Mr. Arrogant on December 21, 2012 at 6:02 PM

I’d rather be a chucklehead than a knucklehead

and a Tea Bagger than a Marxist

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 6:02 PM

hey idiot without the tea party Pelosi would still be speaker. You moderates didn’t earn the house/ didn’t win the house and do not deserve to have the powerful positions within the house. The TEa party gave you moderates the house in 2010 and we damn sure can take it away from you in 2014. Deal with it. Compromise and give power to conservatives or get use to be ing the minority party for the next 50 years.

unseen on December 21, 2012 at 5:00 PM

I see two possibilities. Either we go over the cliff. That means that the middle class will be taxed into oblivion.

Or Obama proposes tax cuts for the middle class after we’ve gone over the cliff, and he becomes their savior. I don’t think that conservatives will vote against tax cuts for the middle class, just to spite Obama.

Either way, Obama wins. The taxes for the “rich” will go up.

Who’s going to vote for conservatives in the future? You really want to sacrifice yourselves for a few millionaires who mostly vote liberal anyway?

In 50 years Obama’s socialist America will be the new normal, if we don’t fight against it NOW.

Gelsomina on December 21, 2012 at 6:02 PM

All the “Let it burn” tough guys, who think that the Democrats actually have to DO something to raise our taxes, while the GOP “votes present.” The Dems don’t have to do anything but wait.

Priscilla on December 21, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Sorry, dear Priscilla. I would dare say conservatives are very well informed of what is going on… definitely more than our wussified RINOs.

We know that taxes are going up for everyone upon expiration of the Bush tax cuts. What we refuse to do is to be steamrolled by the media/Dems/RINOs into signing on to some crappy “compromise” that destroys our brand as the party that has sworn never to raise anyone’s taxes… at least not without some solid reason to do so.

TheRightMan on December 21, 2012 at 6:04 PM

melle1228 on December 21, 2012 at 5:57 PM

I agree Boehner has his faults..But Plan B was not a bad strategy from an already losing plan..It is bad all the way around..But we (GOP) LOST the election..Obie campaigned on raising tax rates and WON!!..Now tell me again what was wrong with passing Plan B??..:)

Dire Straits on December 21, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Do you people even realize that in 10 years JUST THE INTEREST ON THE DEBT will be paying for China’s military every year.

melle1228 on December 21, 2012 at 5:59 PM

I’ll take that question. The answer is no. But of course people who may believe this are extremist, teaparties, you know those trouble makers. Bottom line, unless your my accountant, then you have no idea what I have to lose if this is not settled. Suffice it to say, I have skin in the game.

DDay on December 21, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Why would a TWO PARTY EVIL MONEY CULT in total power in Washington D.C. tell U.S. “marks” any thing about how the real con.is working.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 21, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Jerry Brown already jacked up taxes in Cali.

How’s that working out?

I’ll give you Dems a hint – it’s not “increased revenues”

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 6:06 PM

All the “Let it burn” tough guys, who think that the Democrats actually have to DO something to raise our taxes, while the GOP “votes present.” The Dems don’t have to do anything but wait.

Priscilla on December 21, 2012 at 5:56

And when all of those Obama voters get a taste of those taxes, the Demonrats will get another lesson in the “flakiness” of the American electorate.

My collie says:

It’s been going on for years and years here in Washington state. The voters elect Democrats, and then promptly turn around and refuse to fund their liberal big-spending initiatives.

If you scratch a Democratic voter’s wallet, you will find a Republican’s voter registration card inside.

CyberCipher on December 21, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Obama won the Commander-in-Chief job, not the majority of the House of Repersentives.

He does not rule total.

Obama won on his pledge to hand out our tax money to free loaders.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 21, 2012 at 6:08 PM

I’ll be happy to take the responsibility for this.

Bmore on December 21, 2012 at 6:09 PM

I agree Boehner has his faults..But Plan B was not a bad strategy from an already losing plan..It is bad all the way around..But we (GOP) LOST the election..Obie campaigned on raising tax rates and WON!!..Now tell me again what was wrong with passing Plan B??..:)

Dire Straits on December 21, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Plan B was dead in the Senate, and Boehner would have to be more competent in dealing with the media if he was going to use it as cover. You really think that when the senate killed the bill that it was EVER going to be reported the way that made the Repubs look good? I find it laughable that people like Boehner think that passing a idiotic bill will give him cover. If he can’t articulate his position to his own caucus, how in the heck was he going to articulate it to the low information voters?

melle1228 on December 21, 2012 at 6:10 PM

melle1228 on December 21, 2012 at 6:10 PM

The LSM is never going to be fair..:(

Dire Straits on December 21, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Gelsomina on December 21, 2012 at 6:02 PM

Ha ha ha ha…

I love how all the RINOs/establishment apologists on this forum are all telling us how refusing to vote for Boehner’s crappy Plan B that would have represented a monumental cave on our core principles… implies some huge Obama win.

And what is that win? Obama will swoop in to save the day after the Bush tax cuts expire with his own proposed tax cuts?

Who cares? You think Americans (with the exception of the Obama zombies) are stupid to suddenly accept Dems as the party of lower taxes just based on such an act?

If so, then we have no option but to LET IT BURRRRRRNNNN… :)

TheRightMan on December 21, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Correction:

Republican leaders lost to Obama because as with this deal they shit in their on nest.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 21, 2012 at 6:14 PM

melle1228 on December 21, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Again Boehner has a very bad hand..:)

Dire Straits on December 21, 2012 at 6:14 PM

I agree Boehner has his faults..But Plan B was not a bad strategy from an already losing plan..It is bad all the way around..But we (GOP) LOST the election..Obie campaigned on raising tax rates and WON!!..Now tell me again what was wrong with passing Plan B??..:)

Dire Straits on December 21, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Errrm… cough… cough…

The GOP House also won…hello? And they campaigned on NOT raising ANYONE’s tax rates.

Care to tell me again why Boehner’s Plan B was such a crappy idea? (Hint: It involved the GOP caving on their campaign promise while Obama keeps his).

Who do you think the voters will reward in 2014? The GOP for breaking their promise or Obama and the Dems for keeping theirs?

TheRightMan on December 21, 2012 at 6:18 PM

We know that taxes are going up for everyone upon expiration of the Bush tax cuts. What we refuse to do is to be steamrolled by the media/Dems/RINOs into signing on to some crappy “compromise” that destroys our brand as the party that has sworn never to raise anyone’s taxes… at least not without some solid reason to do so.

TheRightMan on December 21, 2012 at 6:04 PM

How is preventing a tax increase on more than 99% of taxpayers, raising taxes?

Taxes are going up if nothing is done- that is a fact. And if you want to see a destroyed brand, wait until it’s the Democrats who propose and pass a tax cut in 2013, for the exact same 99%, while claiming that the Republicans wouldn’t do it.

Priscilla on December 21, 2012 at 6:20 PM

I picked a bad week to stop drinking. (Airplane)

Whiterock on December 21, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Who cares? You think Americans (with the exception of the Obama zombies) are stupid to suddenly accept Dems as the party of lower taxes just based on such an act?
TheRightMan on December 21, 2012 at 6:13 PM

You make no sense. But to answer your question….yes.

Priscilla on December 21, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Herr Hitler had the Jews. Herr LaTourette has the Tea Party. there is nothing new under the sun.

VorDaj on December 21, 2012 at 6:21 PM

I’m surprised he didn’t say “riff raff” or “rabble.”

Dongemaharu on December 21, 2012 at 6:22 PM

I picked a bad week to stop drinking. (Airplane)

Whiterock on December 21, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Sometimes too much to drink is never enough. (Twain)

VorDaj on December 21, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Whiterock on December 21, 2012 at 6:20 PM

and sniffing glue.

the sh!t’s really gonna hit the fan

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 6:24 PM

I’m surprised he didn’t say “riff raff” or “rabble.”

Dongemaharu on December 21, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Or some slang for Jews.

VorDaj on December 21, 2012 at 6:24 PM

TheRightMan on December 21, 2012 at 6:18 PM

*golf clap*..Congrats on the BushObie/Dems being the party of tax cuts..On to 2014!!..:(

Dire Straits on December 21, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Again Boehner has a very bad hand..:)

Dire Straits on December 21, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Which he is playing even more badly … and more so by the day.

VorDaj on December 21, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Time for the all of the GOP to double down. If JB can hold his House of Felines together, the House doesn’t have to pass any POS the Senate gives them. Force the public debate and by God get someone to articulate the
Long Term Consequences. Just say’in

Whiterock on December 21, 2012 at 6:27 PM

r. If he can’t articulate his position to his own caucus, how in the heck was he going to articulate it to the low information voters?

melle1228 on December 21, 2012 at 6:10 PM

A good point.

Priscilla on December 21, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Boehner’s Plan B is described as follows:

In his so-called Plan B, Mr. Boehner proposed extending current tax rates for most Americans, while increasing rates only for income over $1 million. His bill didn’t address the coming $110 billion in defense and domestic spending cuts. It also didn’t address long-term deficit-reduction questions, such as how to rein in spending for Medicare and other fast-growing entitlements.

Tell me… why on earth should conservatives sign on to a plan that RAISES rates on millionaires or anyone else for that matter?

If tax rates go up because Dems refuse to go along with extending the Bush tax cuts for EVERYONE, then so be it. Coming back later to propose tax cuts for a section of the populace will NOT absolve then from the fact that THEY and only THEY raised taxes on the millionaires. They will therefore own the consequences.

TheRightMan on December 21, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Some of us have ALOT riding on the frickin resolution, but some of don’t want it to be status quo or put us in a worse place. Do you people even realize that in 10 years JUST THE INTEREST ON THE DEBT will be paying for China’s military every year.

melle1228 on December 21, 2012 at 5:59 PM

And letting it burn will put us in a better place?

Priscilla on December 21, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Priscilla on December 21, 2012 at 6:20 PM

My comment @ 6:29pm is addressed to you.

TheRightMan on December 21, 2012 at 6:30 PM

I’m sorry, what? I was busy chuckling at John Boehner

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 6:32 PM

I was gonna say something smart here, but I’m a chucklehead

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 6:33 PM

And letting it burn will put us in a better place?

Priscilla on December 21, 2012 at 6:29 PM

+ 100..Good point..:)

Dire Straits on December 21, 2012 at 6:33 PM

And what is that win? Obama will swoop in to save the day after the Bush tax cuts expire with his own proposed tax cuts?

Who cares? You think Americans (with the exception of the Obama zombies) are stupid to suddenly accept Dems as the party of lower taxes just based on such an act?

If so, then we have no option but to LET IT BURRRRRRNNNN… :)

TheRightMan on December 21, 2012 at 6:13 PM

The huge Obama win is that the taxes of the “rich” will go up and that Obama will save the middle class from the conservatives.

And yes, the Democrats will become the party of low taxes for the middle class and the average American. Just like they morphed from the party of the KKK to the party of minorities.

Honestly, a tax hike for millionaires is not the hill I want to die on. Tax hikes for incomes over 250,000 are a completely different battle.

Gelsomina on December 21, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Just a bit early for the Festivus Airing of Grievances, a**wipe.

Oh, and nice name, chucklehead.

ConservativeLA on December 21, 2012 at 6:36 PM

TheRightMan on December 21, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Yep, I figured. The wording in the WSJ would have been more accurate if it had said “while allowing the lower rates to expire only for income over $1 million”

No, Republicans should not be raising rates on anyone. But they wouldn’t be in this situation, regardless of how it is worded. Again.. the rates are going up for everyone after January 1. It’s a fact. The Republicans can’t stop it because they lack the political power to do so.

Fighting a losing battle is one thing. Giving up, and “letting it burn” is another.

Priscilla on December 21, 2012 at 6:37 PM

John the cry baby Boehner and his La Torette syndrome and the rest of the RINOS need to be primaied out. Who did Ohio vote for? Stupid can’t be fixed. L.I.B.

they lie on December 21, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Honestly, a tax hike for millionaires is not the hill I want to die on. Tax hikes for incomes over 250,000 are a completely different battle.

Gelsomina on December 21, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Trust me, if you cannot die today on the hill of tax hikes for millionaires… you will soon compromise down to $400, 000 and then down to $250,000.

Liberalism is a disease that creeps on you unawares… it only needs you to compromise a little at a time.

TheRightMan on December 21, 2012 at 6:39 PM

chucklehead huh?

well, the jerk store called, they’re all out of you!

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 6:41 PM

Burn

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Priscilla on December 21, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Why the Pub. party is dem. lite and is D.O.A. L.I.B.

they lie on December 21, 2012 at 6:43 PM

Fighting a losing battle is one thing. Giving up, and “letting it burn” is another.

Priscilla on December 21, 2012 at 6:37 PM

I don’t really count myself in the “Let it burn” crowd because I don’t really grasp their reasoning yet.

My reasoning is simple… Republicans NEED to stick to their principles, which include being the party of lower taxes.

Higher tax rates do NOT increase revenue. It only punishes behavior. What we need is a complete overhaul of the tax code AND reduced spending that cuts the Govt. down to size.

Boehner’s Plan B does nothing of that nature. It only compromises a little to the Dems and opens the door to greater compromises down the stretch.

TheRightMan on December 21, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Too bad JB cannot say, ” We Pubes & Chuckleheads will stand 100 / against any bill that doesn’t address spending, or until we have a televised Public Debate (panel of four on both side) on LSM in Prime Time. This is the future of the U.S. and we are at an impasse. Bartender, I’ll have a Greyhound please.

Whiterock on December 21, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Apparently this clown plans on retiring, which is too bad, because I would have loved to contribute to the campaign of a primary challenger.

What jack***es like this don’t seem to understand is that all of us R voters no longer see Tourettes Boy and Company as an effective national level political party. So f*** the Republicans and f*** compromise, be it in votes or policy.

M240H on December 21, 2012 at 6:48 PM

principles

Oh, for f*cks sake, STFU. You don’t have any principle, unless it’s the principle that has to see Obama defeated at all costs. You people are holding the rest of the country hostage with your antics. Go find a ditch to die in.

lostmotherland on December 21, 2012 at 6:49 PM

TheRightMan on December 21, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Bingo!

melle1228 on December 21, 2012 at 6:51 PM

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