“Boehner is willing to lose a pawn queen for a queen pawn. ”

(Corrected obvious error in quote)

There is no way you can sell your children into slavery and then claim some kind of strategic victory.

Any deal which results in HIGHER SPENDING in real DOLLARS (no matter what accounting gimmicks like “baseline budgeting” are used to hide it) is a capitulation.

The “Balanced Approach” (cute name for a fraud) the Democrats are blathering about is simply a way of obscuring the fact that ANY AMOUNT added to current spending just makes the situation worse. The ONLY way to solve the budget problem is to REDUCE SPENDING!!! A 5% across-the-board cut in every budget for every government agency and department would be a good way to take the fear out of this approach. Then when the world doesn’t end, follow that up with a 15% across-the-board cut in every budget EVERY YEAR until the budget is balanced. Private industry does this all the time.

If the Republicans cannot stand firm on this, what good are they??

Boehner did his best.

unclesmrgol on December 21, 2012 at 12:26 PM

His “Best” included booting conservatives from committees right before he asked them to make a tough vote to pass a bill that wouldn’t pass the senate.

If the bill had a chance of passing the senate, it would have passed the House. Legislators are (quite rationally) unwilling to put themselves on record voting for something they oppose when there’s not even the upside of it passing. Plan B was about nothing more than political cover. I don’t care if Obama gets “credit” for a middle class tax cut next year. I don’t even think a middle-class tax cut is a good idea. Chickens have to come home to roost eventually, and people voted for this crap.

We understand who our enemies (Dems and RINOs) are and trust me, the battle is just beginning. It will make the Tea Party primary purge of 2010 seem like child play.

TheRightMan on December 21, 2012 at 12:48 PM

The IRS killed off the Tea Party. They threw all their mussel they had into destroying it. They required forms be filled out naming all who gave them money and took away their tax exempt status.

We have no Democracy. We are a Communist Dictatorship right now with the illusion of two parties. In reality there is only one Party. The Republicans just pretend to be another party while supporting the Democrat Party. Since Obama became Dictator he has had 100% control and the Republicans have not even made the smallest of dents in his Dictatorship. John just rubber stamps everything Obama really wants.

No real investigations no matter how big the destruction of the Constitution. No matter how serious the abuses. Guns to Mexican gangs in Mexico and America so what. We will not investigate that we will just take Obama and Holders words.

Boehner did his best. The guys who voted against this will regret it — for the next deal will involve the Democrats of the House.

unclesmrgol on December 21, 2012 at 12:26 PM

My feelings exactly.

By the way, unclesmrgol, I’ve always loved your comments.

kim roy, I seriously believe in what I’ve stated. Thats all.

tommy71 on December 21, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Okey dokey.

“Boehner was trying to play chess and the caucus was playing checkers,” he said, sighing. “Boehner is willing to lose a pawn for a queen. I’m not sure about the rest.”

So tired of the ignorant establishment tools who think this hackneyed cliche makes them look smart.

I suppose that’s typical beltway enlightened priorities… so busy chasing queens they don’t notice getting checkmated in the process.

You think it’s going to get better punting the real problem down the road and doing absolutely nothing about why the fiscal life of the country is on life support?

At some point some hardship is going to have to occur. It’s the way it is. It may sound cold to say this, but it is a fact and sooner people get used to it and prepare appropriately the better off.

kim roy on December 21, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Yep – well said.

The longer it takes for us to grab the bull by the horns, the bigger the bull gets, making it a progressively more difficult endeavor to vanquish it – let’s be big boys and girls, and deal with this now rather than later. Why so many on the Right don’t seem to understand the wisdom and necessity of this is frustrating.

“political cover” = trying to find a way to prevent the GOP hating MSM, who will always look for a way to bash the GOP, from beating us to a pulp, as opposed to just roughing us up a bit. Screw that!

If the American people want one party rule, that’s their choice. If they want to keep voting for the Democrats over and over again, because either a) they do whatever Jon Stewart tells them to, or b) they’re immigrants who came from countries that offered entitlements, and they think they can come here and enjoy a higher standard of living and have all sorts of entitlements too, that’s fine.

But the fact is, the GOP is still winning plenty of statewide elections, and we control Congress, so I’m not convinced that a majority of Americans are ready to give the Democrats a permanent majority.

Obama got away with blaming “the mess that he inherited” in order to get re-elected. Frankly, I think over the course of his 2nd term, he’ll have more luck continuing to blame Bush than trying to blame the current so-called GOP obstructionism, when they only control one wing of the Federal government. Even low information voters aren’t so stupid as to believe that a GOP Congress alone can lead us to economic disaster. And if they do, then we’re already finished.

ardenenoch on December 21, 2012 at 2:01 PM

Another good post.

We control the purse strings and it’s time to start acting like we do. The people who voted against this were elected on an anti-establishment platform where they rejected the wheeling and dealing politics of usual, they’re just doing what they always said they were going to do. You on the other hand are just spewing wild speculation.

Daemonocracy on December 21, 2012 at 3:00 PM

And, another! :)

See how scared you are about paying more taxes? That’s what America needs to feel. It’s the only way to cut through the media and white house rhetoric. Obama can call the GOP hostage takers all he wants, but the people will eventually beg and demand he give in.

Daemonocracy

And he will….just like he did last time, if our side stops falling over itself trying to find ways to surrender.

All Obama talks about is taxing the rich and the only way to force the American people to see that he is full of is to give them a dose of reality that not only will it not make a dent in our budget, but it will hurt the economy.

wow, terrible typing day for me apparently.

All Obama talks about is taxing the rich and the only way to get the American people to see how ineffective and destructive this policy will be in fixing the budget and the economy is to let it pass by voting present and with full Democratic ownership.

All plan B would have done would put conservatives on record supporting tax hikes, and then the bill would have gone nowhere. It was a complete waste of political posturing. The Republican party is running around scared worrying about the optics and the next election, watering down what they supposedly stand for with these idiotic compromises that don’t stand a chance of passing.

I’m with this guy

Nothing would expire, you vote present and let him raise taxes and increase spending with only Democrats supporting it. Middle Class tax cuts will remain unchanged.

Nothing would expire, huh? So you are not aware that, unless legislative action is taken, the Bush tax rates will expire and rates will go up for all income brackets? And that Obama has been using this exact fact to claim that the GOP is “holding the middle-class hostage” in order to preserve lower tax rates for the “rich”. Oh, and that, as soon as they do expire he will propose “cuts” for the middle class and take that issue away from the Republicans. What do you think that Plan B was about anyway?

therwise, STFU, and follow the leader. Conservatives are disciplined, ordered and loyal

tommy71 on December 21, 2012 at 3:54 PM

So in your world Conservatism = Authoritarianism and sheep.

And how will you justify this brilliant strategy in January, after the Bush tax rates have expired and Obama introduces his “middle-class tax cut”? Will Republicans vote against it?

Priscilla on December 21, 2012 at 3:35 PM

You’re thinking in strictly political terms. No principles what so ever, you are only concerned about the optics which are worthless.

What part of giving Obama what he wants don’t you understand? Nothing would expire, you vote present and let him raise taxes and increase spending with only Democrats supporting it. Middle Class tax cuts will remain unchanged.

Plan B was already dismissed by Harry Reid with Obama threatening to veto, so what was the point of that other than getting Conservatives on record voting for a tax hike and raising the debt ceiling again? You really want another debt ceiling fight a year from now when midterm campaigns are gearing up?

Explain to me what the benefit of passing plan B is when both the Senate and the White House have already dismissed it, and Americans will never even know about it?

CINOs ain’t conservatives at all. They got a victim complex. A bunch of anarchists and reactionaries. By cutting the legs and the credibility of their own Speaker, they hand over victory to Obama and the progs. The CINOs don’t fight the true enemy, the progs. I’ll see the CINOs cry when Obama gets what he wants, and more. Dumb as bricks.

tommy71 on December 21, 2012 at 3:29 PM

I can feel the angst from here. Geez. Take a pill.

Obama is always going to get what he wants. The population are idiots and the media is corrupt. What we need to do is wait it out and be prepared to clean up eventually.

You honestly think that Obama is going to play straight with anyone? Compromise? Do the hard work that needs to be done?

And you honestly think that Boehner is the man who can compel Obama to these actions?

No really – do you honestly believe any of that? Seriously?

CINOs ain’t conservatives at all. They got a victim complex. A bunch of anarchists and reactionaries. By cutting the legs and the credibility of their own Speaker, they hand over victory to Obama and the progs. The CINOs don’t fight the true enemy, the progs. I’ll see the CINOs cry when Obama gets what he wants, and more. Dumb as bricks.

tommy71 on December 21, 2012 at 3:29 PM

The true enemy are those who would borrow money for handouts now to be paid at a later date.

What bill has Boehner ever passed as leader that actually cut spending or reduced the deficit in year 1?

And you’re misunderstanding the whole let it burn approach, it’s about Republicans voting present and letting Obama and the Dems own his policies and the resulting economy. Boehner is actually trying to make policy when Obama is only focusing on rhetoric, he’s getting played.

Daemonocracy on December 21, 2012 at 3:09 PM

And how will you justify this brilliant strategy in January, after the Bush tax rates have expired and Obama introduces his “middle-class tax cut”? Will Republicans vote against it?