Inside the Plan B meltdown

posted at 9:01 am on December 21, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

NRO’s Robert Costa was on the Hill last night, watching as disaster unfolded for John Boehner on the House floor.  All day long, House GOP leadership predicted a close but successful vote in forcing the Senate to reject a plan that raised taxes on millionaires while keeping rates at current levels for everyone else.  But when a vote to replace the sequester ended up a lot closer than GOP whips had predicted, Boehner understood that the writing was on the wall for his Plan B political strategy.

When Boehner threw in the towel, though, even his critics in the caucus were stunned:

Boehner’s speech to the group was short and curt: He said his plan didn’t have enough support, and that the House would adjourn until after Christmas, perhaps even later. But it was Boehner’s tone and body language that caught most Republicans off guard. The speaker looked defeated, unhappy, and exhausted after hours of wrangling. He didn’t want to fight. There was no name-calling. As a devout Roman Catholic, Boehner wanted to pray. “God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,” he told the crowd, according to attendees.

There were audible gasps of surprise, especially from freshman lawmakers who didn’t see the meltdown coming. Boehner’s friends were shocked, and voiced their disappointment so the speaker’s foes could hear. “My buddies and I said the same thing to each other,” a Boehner ally told me later. “We looked at each other, rolled our eyes, and just groaned. This is a disaster.”

Representative Mike Kelly of Pennsylvania, a burly former car dealer, stood up and urged the conference to get behind the speaker. “How the hell can you do this?” Kelly asked, according to several people inside the room. A few of Boehner’s critics told Kelly to stop lecturing, but most were silent. They had been battling against “Plan B” all week, and quite suddenly, they had crippled the leadership. Boehner sensed the tension, requested calm, and then exited the room.

It’s not just Boehner allies who may end up regretting the failure:

“I don’t want to talk to the people who ruined this, at least right now,” a retiring House member told me. “They don’t get it.” Another senior member told me that Boehner was always going to struggle with the whip count since most House conservatives have little interest in seeing the speaker strike any kind of deal. “Boehner was trying to play chess and the caucus was playing checkers,” he said, sighing. “Boehner is willing to lose a pawn for a queen. I’m not sure about the rest.”

Representative Justin Amash of Michigan, a conservative with libertarian leanings, was stunned. As he walked back to his office, he said the episode was unfortunate, even though he was planning to vote against the measure. For the past month, since House leaders booted him off the budget committee, he has been railing against Boehner for his management style. But even Amash wondered whether the House GOP was making the right move. “Too many people in there were arguing that this thing is a tax increase, and I don’t think that’s what Boehner was trying to do,” he said. As much as he disagrees with Boehner’s approach, even he regretted how the speaker’s plan was killed.

Be sure to read it all.  While Boehner came under considerable heat for this strategy, he’s playing a losing hand overall anyway.  Plan B wouldn’t have even gotten a Senate vote, but neither will any bill pushed by the conservative wing, either.  Plan B would have at least given Republicans some measure of political cover to insist that they weren’t blocking middle-class tax stability, especially since the bill that Boehner pulled would have addressed tax rates separately, as well as the AMT patch. And if by chance the Senate felt forced to take it up and pass it, the bill would have left the debt limit as a big bargaining chip for February without keeping most taxpayers hostage.

Instead, Boehner lost control of the caucus, and with it any juice Boehner might have now or in February.  That’s Boehner’s fault in large measure, too; he shouldn’t have gone to the floor without knowing he could get enough support to pass the bill.  But the failure of this measure makes it very easy for Democrats and the media to paint the House GOP as so resistant to new revenues that they’re willing to obstruct tax relief for over 99% of the country, even though Democrats had said they wouldn’t pass it.

Will this push us over the fiscal cliff?  I will have a few thoughts on that later.


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Let it burn…

Khun Joe on December 21, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Cliff…here we come…

Low info voters….be damned.

Electrongod on December 21, 2012 at 9:05 AM

Burn baby burn

koaiko on December 21, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Will this push us over the fiscal cliff?

yup

we need to hit rock bottom before people will wake up and meet reality in what this country is dealing with…

boehner will get bashed now, but dear leader is the man in charge, folks will remember him as president during this crisis, not the house speaker….

cmsinaz on December 21, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Great job there, Libertardians and Tea party cranks. Stupid party, indeed…

Dukeboy01 on December 21, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Perhaps a better title would be
Inside The Republican Party meltdown?

Mr. Arrogant on December 21, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Low info voters….be damned.

Electrongod on December 21, 2012 at 9:05 AM

THIS

cmsinaz on December 21, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Cliff doesn’t scare me anymore

we need a Fiscal Pit of Infinite Destruction

also I heard Beohner cried. It’s not the end of the world! John’s still crying.

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 9:08 AM

Let it burn? Oh it’s going to burn whether we like it or not. You can’t elect as many jackasses as we have, put them in charge of everything, and then expect well-crafted legislation; they’re mostly monkeys looking for a lifetime gig.

Bishop on December 21, 2012 at 9:08 AM

Let. It. Burn.

And oh, replace sappy whiny britches with someone with some real fortitude.

LoganSix on December 21, 2012 at 9:08 AM

PLAN B CONTAINED NO SPENDING CUTS! What the hell was there to vote on??

michaelo on December 21, 2012 at 9:09 AM

This is all playing out exactly according to the Left’s script.

Boehner sold conservatives out on the spending cuts following his ascension to the majority in 2010. Same thing with the “debt ceiling” deal in 2011. I think he’s probably a good man, but he’s an ineffective leader, and a poor voice for conservatism.

I wonder how many of those holdouts were among the people he axed in this recent committee purge. I think Boehner, and A LOT of elected republicans are misreading the tea leaves. They misunderstand the depth of antipathy that conservatives and libertarians have for the GOP these days. This is not the loyal soldier era of previous decades. You stick Conservatives, Social Cons, Tea Partiers, Libertarians in the eye… this time they’re gonna tell you and your party to get bent. Let it burn includes the Republican party as it’s currently constituted.

LOL…”Boehner’s playing chess.” Obama’s playing for blood, stupid.

SAMinVA on December 21, 2012 at 9:09 AM

Great job there, Libertardians and Tea party cranks. Stupid party, indeed…

Dukeboy01 on December 21, 2012 at 9:07 AM

card carrying Pubs are tiresome

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 9:09 AM

Key phrase here:

he said the episode was unfortunate, even though he was planning to vote against the measure.

It was unfortunate that I said I wouldn’t vote for it, and brought the measure down?

I liked plan B more than any Deal. What does Justin Amash think he is going to get? Is he in favor of a return to Clinton era rates for everyone? The democrats are, and they will blame it on you, Justin.

The way I read it, plan b gave us PERMANENT TAX RATES that could only be changed with tax reform, not yearly games. Was I reading it wrong, please tell me.

Fleuries on December 21, 2012 at 9:10 AM

While Boehner came under considerable heat for this strategy, he’s playing a losing hand overall anyway.

It seems to be nearly impossible for them to accomplish anything in the face of moving goalposts and complicit media.

Jeffster on December 21, 2012 at 9:10 AM

“Boehner is willing to lose a pawn for a queen. I’m not sure about the rest.”

Yeah, he’ll get deliver Speaker Pelosi sooner than most of us hoped.

Steve Eggleston on December 21, 2012 at 9:11 AM

1) Let the tax cuts expire.

2) Let sequestration happen.

3) Let the debt hit it’s statutory ceiling, and don’t raise it.

4) Begin negotiations.

5) Don’t cry. There’s no crying in politics…

JohnGalt23 on December 21, 2012 at 9:12 AM

Will this push us over the fiscal cliff? I will have a few thoughts on that later.

Does it really matter in any way, shape or form? This whole frickin’ “economy” is a house of cards that is going to simply fall apart no matter what the House or Senate do or don’t do…it is inevitable because we have passed the point of no return mathematically..

Tim Zank on December 21, 2012 at 9:12 AM

Beohner’s exactly like my crazy Aunt. Constantly drunk with no balls.

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Forget the fact that it is a tax bill. Boehner’s failure to get the measure passed I would suggest places his Speakership in jeopardy. If he can’t this measure passed, and it was critical to the Reps that they did so (even those that opposed it.) presages that there is sufficient angst in the GOP caucus to block Boehner’s reinstatement when the new congress convenes.

Dr. Dog on December 21, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Boehner is out.

albill on December 21, 2012 at 9:14 AM

I hope this isn’t a preview of these bozos handling anti-gun legislation. Haven’t Republicans done enough losing for 2012?

claudius on December 21, 2012 at 9:14 AM

When the speaker threw in the towel after wiping his eyes with it…fify.
What pawn is he throwing in? We’re not pawns, queens or checkers on some game board. This isn’t a little game they’re playing in DC. This is about the future of America and We the People. Stop playing around and do the right thing. Geo Washington and his army were freezing to death at Valley Forge. I’m sure they didn’t cry and throw in a towel. Stop giving us up to the tyrannical socialists on the left. We keep losing more and more freedoms every time that we will never get back.

Kissmygrits on December 21, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Representative Mike Kelly of Pennsylvania, a burly former car dealer, stood up and urged the conference to get behind the speaker. “How the hell can you do this?” Kelly asked, according to several people inside the room. A few of Boehner’s critics told Kelly to stop lecturing, but most were silent. They had been battling against “Plan B” all week, and quite suddenly, they had crippled the leadership. Boehner sensed the tension, requested calm, and then exited the room.

Mike Kelly……you’re on the accomplices to Obama list now.

“get behind the speaker”?…..YES, a loser for the last two years that whines, crys and then gets NOTHING done on PRINCIPLE? Two more years of NOT OPPOSING OBAMA? Get off yourself Kelly, you and your RINO/Progressive infesters in the gop need to announced as Democrats and get OUT OF THE PARTY!!!

“exited the room”……….KEEP GOING BOEHNER. You are NOT AN EFFECTIVE OPPOSITION leader. YOU SUCK, but then again so does your whole pathetic leadership team.

PURGE the entire gop leadership……How many more elections must the republicans lose?

Purge, Purge, Purge, or the gop is Dead, dead, dead.

PappyD61 on December 21, 2012 at 9:15 AM

As I said in the headlines – I believe that Boehner is a good man who is trying to do what he feels is right.

From this post it is clear he can no longer lead the caucus. Time for new leadership.

gophergirl on December 21, 2012 at 9:15 AM

Boehner is part of the reason we’re even in this spot. F him. If he wasn’t scared of his own shadow, maybe the Caucus would trust him. You can’t spend 2 years crying and playing golf with Obama and expect conservatives to roll over for you. Maybe his strategy of exacting revenge on conservative committee members will be his undoing.

Who cares who gets blamed. Maybe just try doing the right thing for once.

devil dog on December 21, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Let it burn? Oh it’s going to burn whether we like it or not. You can’t elect as many jackasses as we have, put them in charge of everything, and then expect well-crafted legislation; they’re mostly monkeys looking for a lifetime gig.

Bishop on December 21, 2012 at 9:08 AM

Comment of the Apocalypse™

Steve Eggleston on December 21, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Well, I guess that the whole ball of wax belongs to Obama and the Democrats now.
Whatever happens belongs totally to them.
That’s a shame.

Oh the weather outside is frightening.
Let it burn, let it burn, let it burn.

justltl on December 21, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Get rid of this tool. And Mitch McConnell, and John McCain, and Lindsey Graham. Sick of these elitists, the lot of them.

Key West Reader on December 21, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Listen the people spoke! We need to think of the Greater Good instead of liberty and individual rights. What kind of country is this? Everybody needs to put something in for the Common Good. As many pundits and politicians speak my favorite line..”The American People want/know ….” Well, by going over the fiscal cliff, then everybody can pay more taxes for the Common Good! The American People want to feel good about America again, and by paying just a little bit more money in taxes so politicians can decide how to best serve the Common Good and squash individual liberty everyone will be happy! Right? Who gives a damn what happens to the Republicans if we go over the fiscal cliff..they were never going to get potential voters anyway from moderates or Democrats! Let the people who voted for Obama feel their real pain as taxes are raised, and unemployment rises more!

mark cantu on December 21, 2012 at 9:16 AM

CONTAINED NO SPENDING CUTS! What the hell was there to vote on??

michaelo

Plan B would have at least given Republicans some measure of political cover to insist that they weren’t blocking middle-class tax stability, especially since the bill that Boehner pulled would have addressed tax rates separately, as well as the AMT patch. It would have fulfilled the liberals populist cause to raise taxes on millionaires and billionaires, and confined it to only millionaires and billionaires…and it is only on that margin of income, not on total income, they would still enjoy GWB rates on the first million.

And the spending cuts were, redirecting the sequester to cut properly, and not gouge the military side of spending.

And as far as I can see, there was no give away on the deficit ceiling?

It did not prematurely “fix” the need to fix SS, by giving everyone a rebate. I know that looks like a tax increase, but that is what the democrats and the Treasury have SS rates set at. SS needs fixing to address the painful contributions.

Fleuries on December 21, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Bishop on December 21, 2012 at 9:08 AM

Exactly right. Great minds, my friend.

kingsjester on December 21, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Sorry this part was a quote from e.m. above

Plan B would have at least given Republicans some measure of political cover to insist that they weren’t blocking middle-class tax stability, especially since the bill that Boehner pulled would have addressed tax rates separately, as well as the AMT patch.

The rest are my words.

Fleuries on December 21, 2012 at 9:17 AM

You can revel in the fiasco all you want but here’s what the rest of the country saw. The Republican caucus is willing to let taxes go up on everybody rather than raise taxes on millionaires. Sublime.

plewis on December 21, 2012 at 9:17 AM

didn’t Beohner get caught up in the whole insider trading deal, along with Pelosi and her IPOs?

I don’t wonder why that ended with some useless legislation and no consequences whatsoever.

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 9:18 AM

Boehner… outsmarted by a community agitator ala Al Sharpton.

New leadership? Heh. Good luck with that.

Key West Reader on December 21, 2012 at 9:18 AM

But the failure of this measure makes it very easy for Democrats and the media to paint the House GOP as so resistant to new revenues that they’re willing to obstruct tax relief for over 99% of the country, even though Democrats had said they wouldn’t pass it.

It does make it easier but that was going to be the narrative anyway.

We’ve heard the Democrats rail on these “irresponsible and unpaid for Bush tax cuts. Now they are going to be the champions of re-instituting them in 2013. If we had a real news media this would be part of the coverage – the Democrats have repeatedly campaigned against the Bush tax rates and in fact will need to heavily tax the middle class to pay for the size of government they prefer.

gwelf on December 21, 2012 at 9:18 AM

Geo Washington and his army were freezing to death at Valley Forge.

and the best the country can produce is a bunch of whiny ******* politicians that want to drain the lifeblood of it’s citizens because we “didn’t build that”?

You politicians in both parties better get off your bleeps and do what you can to save the fiscal future of the country.

And STOP BEING ACCOMPLICES to the Socialist in the Oval office…..I’m talking to you republican leadership.

Most of these politicians SHOULD BE IN JAIL for what they’ve done to this country financially.

Only problem is…..WE KEEP VOTING FOR THEM!!

PappyD61 on December 21, 2012 at 9:18 AM

And why are we talking about Plan B? I thought the election over Sandra Fluke’s contracteptives was over.

/Oh, wait!

Key West Reader on December 21, 2012 at 9:19 AM

You can revel in the fiasco all you want but here’s what the rest of the country saw. The Republican caucus is willing to let taxes go up on everybody rather than raise taxes on millionaires. Sublime.

plewis on December 21, 2012 at 9:17 AM

I suppose that’s what idiots see, and they do compose the majority.

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 9:19 AM

The only thinng they can do now is point out ad naseum that the Senate said they wouldn’t bring it up, and the president promised to veto it. Why vote for a bill that doesn’t give conservatives what they’re calling for, i.e. keep taxes as they are AND lower spending, for a meaningless political gesture?

Since we’re going to be blamed no matter what, why not stand on our principals?

Yese I understand it might have put some pressure and blame on the WH, but i’m not buying it. If the media lapdogs can help with a re-election by blaming Bush 4 years after he’s gone, you think they would give the GOP any credit at all?

todler on December 21, 2012 at 9:19 AM

No matter what you think of the various cliff plans, it is political malpractice to seek a symbolic vote without knowing that you have the votes. JB is done as a political force.

johnboy on December 21, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Plan B sucked, but it gave stable footing to the GOP from where plan C would develop. Now its all going to go to hell. DoD will have to cut its readiness and training budget. Troops will go into warzones under-trained and under-equipped. Good men and women will die because of this foolishness.

BohicaTwentyTwo on December 21, 2012 at 9:20 AM

PLAN B CONTAINED NO SPENDING CUTS! What the hell was there to vote on??

michaelo on December 21, 2012 at 9:09 AM

That was Plan B-1. Plan B-2, which did get passed, exchanged the defense sequester for a partial defunding of PlaceboCare.

Steve Eggleston on December 21, 2012 at 9:21 AM

John Beohner definitely ain’t Hannibal. That guy loves it when a plan comes together.

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Well – there’s the end of the Republican party as we know it.

While I applaud my fellow tax and spending cut conservatives for sticking to their guns – this is going to make it very difficult to make it possible to pitch our part as not being paid for by the rich.

Defenestratus on December 21, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Congratulations to all the Tea Party members that made it impossible for Boehner to pass his weak sauce. Now we can crash over the fiscal cliff and maybe, just maybe, the GOP will realize they can’t continue being the Donkey Lite.

JoseQuinones on December 21, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Do the House Republicans have any plan on voting for anything? Apparently, they’re just going to fuss around until the blame for the fiscal cliff is pinned on them. This is another Katrina.

claudius on December 21, 2012 at 9:24 AM

The economy is going over the cliff no matter what this bunch of idiots does.
Weepy Boner has been playing right into Obama’s hands the whole time.

Lets’ dive off. Let. It. Burn.

Until the looters and moochers are forced to face the consequences of their foolishness and greed nothing will get better. The sooner we crash into the rocks the sooner we can rebuild. It’s too late for anything else.

single stack on December 21, 2012 at 9:25 AM

So, in the idiocy of the “let it burn” fantasy, we go over the fiscal cliff in January. GOP takes the full hit for it in the public’s eyes because they are so beholden to millionaires that they couldn’t get the votes among themselves to make permanent tax cuts for 98% of Americans. Tax rates go up and the middle class starts screaming. Stock markets take a dive and the Department of Defense gets gutted under sequestration.

Obama and the Dems then get to introduce a middle class tax cut package in March or so that restores those tax cuts for, oh, 75% of taxpayers instead of 98%. The GOP, including (I predict) every single one of the “principled” retards that torpedoed Plan B last night, will vote for it.

Thanks to the free- spending ways of the GOP under Bush, the party has lost all credibility on reducing the deficit that they had in the ’90′s. Now the Dems will get to be the party of Middle class tax cuts as well? How does this lead us back to the promised land of limited government again?

The “let it burn” fantasy assumes that if we allow things to get bad enough that people will magically embrace conservative solutions in response. They won’t.

Dukeboy01 on December 21, 2012 at 9:25 AM

This is a tactical retreat.
Obama and the Dems were going to get what they wanted anyway.
Now whatever happens has no Republican fingerprints on it.
And the Republicans don’t even have to get labeled as obstructionists.
They can just hang out in the briar patch while things burn.

justltl on December 21, 2012 at 9:25 AM

I’m really sick of belonging to the stupid party. Ed is saying that their message is they don’t want to raise taxes. I don’t believe that’s true. The winning Republican message should be, we’re willing to raise taxes but the additional revenue has to go towards bringing down the debt and, if we’re going to increase revenue, there has to be spending cuts, immediate spending cuts. If Boehner had come in with those 2 things, this bill would have passed the House. He did not and the reason there’s a problem is because they remember what he brought before.

After 2010 the Republicans had the leverage and they allowed the Democrats to play their games. Now, they want to do it again and the outgoing House members, along with the conservative ones are saying no. I’m glad they did and believe the conservative pundit class should give them better than Ed gave them on this one.

bflat879 on December 21, 2012 at 9:27 AM

The “let it burn” fantasy assumes that if we allow things to get bad enough that people will magically embrace conservative solutions in response. They won’t.

Dukeboy01 on December 21, 2012 at 9:25 AM

they’ll eventually kill themselves off through self eugenics. Let it Burn is more like Let it Simmer. Long term strategy.

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 9:28 AM

As I said in the headlines – I believe that Boehner is a good man who is trying to do what he feels is right.

From this post it is clear he can no longer lead the caucus. Time for new leadership.

gophergirl on December 21, 2012 at 9:15 AM

I agree with this. He’s in a tough spot, but he dug himself into that hole by not standing on principle over the past couple of years when he had the chance.

He was a fool to agree to the “sequestration” deal. Everyone’s acting as if this “fiscal cliff” is some big surprise, but they should have seen this coming a long time ago.

He (and most in the GOP) have no one to blame but themselves.

UltimateBob on December 21, 2012 at 9:29 AM

JB is done as a political force.

johnboy on December 21, 2012 at 9:19 AM

One can only hope. Boehner, Cantor and McCarthy were also the ones who stopped any E-Verify bills from coming to the floor of the House to be voted on even though they cleared the Judiciary Committee, because they were afraid that it would hurt their re-election in November. They don’t give a rat’s a$$ about the American people, only their political careers.

TxAnn56 on December 21, 2012 at 9:29 AM

I’m as conservative as they come, but the way this was handled was ridiculous. I want Boehner out as speaker for a million different reasons (including his not being conservative enough), but what he was trying to do here was solid–he had the intermediate and long game in mind, and the chess-vs. checkers analogy is appropriate. We knew 100% the dems were going to veto the bill, but it would have SQUARELY put the ball, and the blame, FINALLY back on Obama’s court in a way that would be much harder for the leftard media to spin. Instead, we handed those asshats another gift that keeps on giving “365 straight days of ‘republicans would rather let taxes go up on all Americans rather than limit the increase to millionaires”. That is Sandra Flucking retarded. The opposers in the repub conference just shat in the stew and are now trying to tell everyone how great it is going to taste…

AttilaTheHun on December 21, 2012 at 9:29 AM

I officially don’t give a rip.

forest on December 21, 2012 at 9:30 AM

well, I officially don’t give a flip

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 9:30 AM

The Mayans were correct after all.

Consider me one of the Nock faithful. Until more people feel some form of consequence in their wallet, we continue to play with a deck stacked against us.

Let it burn. Never thought I would write that.

hungrymongo on December 21, 2012 at 9:32 AM

That’s Boehner’s fault in large measure, too; he shouldn’t have gone to the floor without knowing he could get enough support to pass the bill.

If this was Newt they’d have forced him to resign by now.

Boehner seems to be making lots of mistakes but as long as he’s always pushing the Democrat line.. he’s excused. “ObamaCare is the law of the land. Republicans need to fall in line. The only thing we have to offer is the Nancy Pelosi plan”

JellyToast on December 21, 2012 at 9:32 AM

The “let it burn” fantasy assumes that if we allow things to get bad enough that people will magically embrace conservative solutions in response. They won’t.

Dukeboy01 on December 21, 2012 at 9:25 AM

It will give the majority an opportunity to embrace what they actively voted for, and the nation to stop the slow motion dance into oblivion.

Pay now or pay later, I’d rather pay now so my kids don’t have to pay later.

Bishop on December 21, 2012 at 9:33 AM

So much stupid in the GOP right now.

ButterflyDragon on December 21, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Congratulations to all the Tea Party members that made it impossible for Boehner to pass his weak sauce. Now we can crash over the fiscal cliff and maybe, just maybe, the GOP will realize they can’t continue being the Donkey Lite.

JoseQuinones on December 21, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Why the hell are all you people blaming the Tea party for Boehner and the GOP’s failures? We handed the GOP a majority in 2010, with the clear message that they needed to fight 0bama and the radical left, get spending under control, and not increase taxes. They basically sat on their thumbs for 2 years and did nothing except allow the purple lipped dog eater to win a second term.

UltimateBob on December 21, 2012 at 9:33 AM

I officially don’t give a rip.

forest on December 21, 2012 at 9:30 AM

well, I officially don’t give a flip

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 9:30 AM

You guys aren’t like…spooning or anything, are you?

Bishop on December 21, 2012 at 9:34 AM

This was a vote to keep taxes from increasing as they would under current law. If the opponents were willing to raise taxes to reduce the deficit, I could understand a “no” vote, but it seems the opponents were the people who oppose raising taxes to reduce the deficit. Talk about Alice in wonderland.

KW64 on December 21, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Let Obama make his proposal, vote present. It then will either pass the Senate, or not. If not, we start over with better leverage. If it passed, great. Let it burn with Democrat fingerprints all over it. Then we rebuild from the ashes. Seems like the only real option. Anything else is an affirmative vote to continue on an unsustainable path. I think when it burns, it’ll take down both parties, which is the best possible outcome.

devil dog on December 21, 2012 at 9:35 AM

If stupidity were a punishable offense the Republicans would be doing life without parole.

claudius on December 21, 2012 at 9:36 AM

It will give the majority an opportunity to embrace what they actively voted for, and the nation to stop the slow motion dance into oblivion.

Pay now or pay later, I’d rather pay now so my kids don’t have to pay later.

Bishop on December 21, 2012 at 9:33 AM

You’re seriously not that naive, are you?

We go over the fiscal cliff, Republicans are blamed, we lose the house in 2014, Obama closes out his presidency the same way he brought it in, control of both houses of Congress.

You think $16 trillion in debt is going to get fixed before your kids are paying taxes? There’s no way you can actually believe that.

ButterflyDragon on December 21, 2012 at 9:36 AM

John Beohner definitely ain’t Hannibal. That guy loves it when a plan comes together.

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 9:22 AM

You got that right. Boehner’s more like that Army guy who kept getting led around by the A-Team…..and making a career of it. Although, I don’t think he cried.

Dongemaharu on December 21, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Bishop on December 21, 2012 at 9:34 AM

You owe me for another monitor…or at least some Windex.

kingsjester on December 21, 2012 at 9:39 AM

The “let it burn” fantasy assumes that if we allow things to get bad enough that people will magically embrace conservative solutions in response. They won’t.

Dukeboy01 on December 21, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Honestly, I want this country to crash and burn, with people swinging from lampposts, before my guns are taken away and not after that.

Archivarix on December 21, 2012 at 9:39 AM

But the failure of this measure makes it very easy for Democrats and the media to paint the House GOP as so resistant to new revenues that they’re willing to obstruct tax relief for over 99% of the country, even though Democrats had said they wouldn’t pass it.

Give me a break, Ed. The GOP is going to get the blame no matter what. NO amount of new revenues will cover the deficit.

We do not have a revenue problem. We have a SPENDING problem.

And the bottom line? Those pompous a$$es are up there arguing over lunch money when we are 1 TRILLION in debt EVERY YEAR.

It’s all a big joke to them, and on us.

Tenwheeler on December 21, 2012 at 9:40 AM

You can’t spend 2 years crying and playing golf with Obama and expect conservatives to roll over for you. Maybe his strategy of exacting revenge on conservative committee members will be his undoing.

Who cares who gets blamed. Maybe just try doing the right thing for once.

devil dog on December 21, 2012 at 9:16 AM

This.

Boehner is neither a leader nor a conservative. Perhaps this will pave the way for the House to have a Speaker that is both.

I can dream, can’t I?

Right Mover on December 21, 2012 at 9:40 AM

Entitlement spending is the 800 lb. gorilla in the room that no one will ever touch.
Unfortunately the only way of getting rid of it is to let it die a natural death.
Taxes on a relative few- even if you taxed them at 100%- are never going to keep pace with the demands of the ever increasing number of dependents.
Apply all the bandaids you want- it just delays the inevitable.

justltl on December 21, 2012 at 9:40 AM

The “let it burn” fantasy assumes that if we allow things to get bad enough that people will magically embrace conservative solutions in response. They won’t.

Dukeboy01 on December 21, 2012 at 9:25 AM

I believe the thinking behind “let it burn” is that when America falls apart, out of the ruins will rise perhaps several smaller nations. Let the retarded left have their piece and create their utopia, while the conservatives to go off on their own and build a stronger nation with rational laws and growth-oriented economic policies.

But you’re right, that is probably a fantasy.

UltimateBob on December 21, 2012 at 9:41 AM

You guys aren’t like…spooning or anything, are you?

Bishop on December 21, 2012 at 9:34 AM

And… thread winner.

hungrymongo on December 21, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Let’s see The speaker goes to war with conservatives last month, he goes to war with the grassroots during the RNC convention and then wonders why conservatives nor grassroots support him? Mr. Speaker go to hell resign you are a disgrace.

unseen on December 21, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Boehner is just simply a moron. He is the speaker of the house and should be able to go toe to toe with a president. Newt kicked Clinton’s ass in getting his message out and do not even dare to argue the media is THAT much worse now than in the 1990s love affair with Clinton.

astonerii on December 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM

You can revel in the fiasco all you want but here’s what the rest of the country saw. The Republican caucus is willing to let taxes go up on everybody rather than raise taxes on millionaires. Sublime.
plewis on December 21, 2012 at 9:17 AM

I am tired of hearing in one breath that these jackass voters will remember something for 2 years and then when we go to campaign they can’t remember what happened from Obama yesterday. We are in a lame duck session BEFORE even starting the new Congress and we are already in frightened of the voters mode. Either the country wakes up or it doesn’t as far as I am concerned and these ploys that NEVER work like pleasing them 2 years out need to stop. It’s always the next battle where we stand our ground with the Republican crowd. Just do it now and maybe you can NOT stand your ground in the future closer to an election.

Conan on December 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Just three points:

1. Boehner is Speaker because of the Tea Party and their electoral success in 2010. For some reason he thought this meant he was coronated Speaker and could then cut out the very ones who gave him his position. So he eliminated then from Committees. He wanted the freedom to negotiate without their influence. How can he…or anyone…be surprised, therefore when they opposed his machinations? He needed to work with those he tried to cut out.

2. As someone who comes from a parliamentary system, this looks very much like a “no confidence” vote. The leader was unable to gain the support of his caucus on a vote of policy. He should be out and replaced.

3. The most serious problem, in my opnion, is one identified by a lot of commentators above…how the public will view what has happened. The facts of the matter will be meaningless…what will count is how the media will portray it. For example, it will fall completely unremarked that the Senate, controlled by the President’s party had indicated that Boehner’s Plan B (ironically the trade name of an abortion drug) would not even be called for a vote in that body. This problem with the media is now something that needs to be addressed seriously because it is leading to an uninformed…indeed a deliberately misinformed…electorate incapable of making necessary decisions.

BONUS 4th POINT: I still think Cantor is a snake.

Blaise on December 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM

The “let it burn” fantasy assumes that if we allow things to get bad enough that people will magically embrace conservative solutions in response. They won’t.

Dukeboy01 on December 21, 2012 at 9:25 AM

grow up and be a man Duke. The let it burn fantasy is geared towards letting events play out now instaed of later. Some of us care about our kids and grandkids and the path we’re on dooms them.

DanMan on December 21, 2012 at 9:47 AM

I wonder how many of those holdouts were among the people he axed in this recent committee purge. I think Boehner, and A LOT of elected republicans are misreading the tea leaves. They misunderstand the depth of antipathy that conservatives and libertarians have for the GOP these days.

You’ve hit a good point that a lot of the GOP hacks on the site are missing. These guys have been at war with us since they tried passing amnesty in 2006, so I am not sure why they expect us to support them now, especially since they managed to lose to the most beatable president since Jimmy Carter.

I think there might have been a mistaken impression among many in the establishment GOP that they’d successfully blamed conservatives for the 2012 defeat and stripped them of most of their political power. Tonight’s action shows that if anything, it’s the establishment that is losing power. I think that is why you have all these posters suddenly freaking out over what is otherwise a pointless procedural trick.

This is not the loyal soldier era of previous decades. You stick Conservatives, Social Cons, Tea Partiers, Libertarians in the eye… this time they’re gonna tell you and your party to get bent.

This is a point I’ve been pushing too. The GOP has basically lost the “captive” vote of their base. They can learn to try to get along with their base by compromising (that word that normally only applies to leftists) or they can try finding a new one. We’ve seen how well that worked out for them in 2012.

Doomberg on December 21, 2012 at 9:47 AM

We go over the fiscal cliff, Republicans are blamed, we lose the house in 2014, Obama closes out his presidency the same way he brought it in, control of both houses of Congress.

You think $16 trillion in debt is going to get fixed before your kids are paying taxes? There’s no way you can actually believe that.

ButterflyDragon on December 21, 2012 at 9:36 AM

1) We have already went over the cliff. We are just trying to soften the landing now.

2) If the GOp continues on the SPeaker’s pathway for anotyher 2 years Pelosi will be the speaker again. Only if the GOPe embraces reaganism will it retain control of the house. This mioderate liberal crap will mean a very low turnout election come 2014 and liberals will win through vote fraud if nothing else.

3) By the time kids today pay taxes at this rate the debt will be well over $35 trillion if not more. We either stop this borrow and spend crap and stop the tax and spend crap or we die as a nation.

unseen on December 21, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Conservatives enthusiastically gave control of the House to the GOP in 2010 with a mandate to cut spending. The gutless GOP not only failed to cut spending, it handed Obama an ax to whack a trillion bucks out of defense. Now Boehner’s feckless nonsense has backfired and he is driving conservatives off committee positions.

Time for new leadership. Boehner has been a disaster.

DaMav on December 21, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Great take KJ!

cmsinaz on December 21, 2012 at 9:48 AM

You guys aren’t like…spooning or anything, are you?

Bishop on December 21, 2012 at 9:34 AM

would you have a like problem or like something with like that?

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Either the country wakes up or it doesn’t as far as I am concerned and these ploys that NEVER work like pleasing them 2 years out need to stop. It’s always the next battle where we stand our ground with the Republican crowd. Just do it now and maybe you can NOT stand your ground in the future closer to an election.

Conan on December 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Pretty much. The same people who were telling us Boehner’s childish procedural tricks – which were pretty much just cave-ins – were going to win us the 2012 election were proved completely wrong. The people who are screaming about how conservatives “ruined everything” last night are the same people who supported Boehner in 2011 and got us into this mess in the first place.

Doomberg on December 21, 2012 at 9:49 AM

All this tells me is that the establishment GOP (and it’s supporters on this forum) have no idea how much they are despised by conservatives (and libertarians) and how tired we are of being used to win elections, then dismissed as extremists on November 7th. THAT is why Romney couldn’t get the base out and that is why those with principal aren’t going to fall in line with a Speaker who loves the endless flood of money pouring into Washington as much as Obama does. “If we’d just become more like Democrats we would win elections.”
Actually, you squishes and ‘RatLites should be grateful. This may have prevented a third party from forming and twenty years of (D) rule.

AmeriCuda on December 21, 2012 at 9:50 AM

With the massive entitlement structure, the house was already on fire.
Republicans would occasionally sprinkle some water on it, but never had the faintest chance of putting out the fire.
FDR was the original arsonist and the Dem party survived by continually fanning the flames.
Now we’re almost down to the foundation.
Let it burn is just walking away from a lost cause.

justltl on December 21, 2012 at 9:50 AM

There is no money. They are printing $85 billion a month to keep the money flowing to stay in office. Boehner just got shut down on keeping the money flowing. No debt limit increase. When the Obama phones are really cut off with no return in sight people will start looking for a job and change votes to get one.

We have no money.

BullShooterAsInElk on December 21, 2012 at 9:52 AM

I officially don’t give a rip.

forest on December 21, 2012 at 9:30 AM

well, I officially don’t give a flip

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 9:30 AM

You guys aren’t like…spooning or anything, are you?

Bishop on December 21, 2012 at 9:34 AM

What can I say? I was about to cry. I needed a hug, man.

forest on December 21, 2012 at 9:52 AM

I officially don’t give a rip.

forest on December 21, 2012 at 9:30 AM

well, I officially don’t give a flip

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 9:30 AM

wtf get a lottery ticket both of ya

sesquipedalian on December 21, 2012 at 9:53 AM

cmsinaz on December 21, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Thank you, ma’am!

kingsjester on December 21, 2012 at 9:54 AM

I wish I could officially not give a Fluke! – about 10 bucks a month

Slade73 on December 21, 2012 at 9:54 AM

These guys have been at war with us since they tried passing amnesty in 2006, so I am not sure why they expect us to support them now, especially since they managed to lose to the most beatable president since Jimmy Carter.

Exactly. John Boehner and the Republican Beltway establishment, and all of their henchmen dispatched to do their bidding on this forum, have more contempt for conservatives than they do for the Marxist far-left.

Conservatives have opposition on two fronts: The far left, and the faux right.

Right Mover on December 21, 2012 at 9:54 AM

This is deep doo doo .
What leadership ? Who is out there ?
Someone , anyone please answer !

Lucano on December 21, 2012 at 9:55 AM

We should call our GOP represenatives and tell them to vote to replace crying Joe. He is a disgrace.

unseen on December 21, 2012 at 9:56 AM

The same people who were telling us Boehner’s childish procedural tricks – which were pretty much just cave-ins – were going to win us the 2012 election were proved completely wrong.

And they’re the same people who praised Justice Roberts for his disastrous court ruling by claiming he was “playing the long game.”

Sometimes a cigar is really a cigar.

And sometimes a feckless coward is just that.

Right Mover on December 21, 2012 at 9:58 AM

I’m tired of the theater. I’m not going to pretend plan B was anything more than a weak idea, made in desperation, at the last minute.

Pass it, don’t pass it. I don’t care. We have a spending problem. Anything that doesn’t fully address our fiscal imbalance with this in mind is folly.

SAMinVA on December 21, 2012 at 9:58 AM

The “let it burn” fantasy assumes that if we allow things to get bad enough that people will magically embrace conservative solutions in response. They won’t.

Dukeboy01 on December 21, 2012 at 9:25 AM

I don’t think they’ll magically embrace conservative solutions. They’ll simply have no alternative. How can any future Democrat politician run on a platform of bigger government and generous entitlements when it would take tax rates upwards of 80% on everyone to pay for it?

Doughboy on December 21, 2012 at 9:59 AM

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