Inside the Plan B meltdown

posted at 9:01 am on December 21, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

NRO’s Robert Costa was on the Hill last night, watching as disaster unfolded for John Boehner on the House floor.  All day long, House GOP leadership predicted a close but successful vote in forcing the Senate to reject a plan that raised taxes on millionaires while keeping rates at current levels for everyone else.  But when a vote to replace the sequester ended up a lot closer than GOP whips had predicted, Boehner understood that the writing was on the wall for his Plan B political strategy.

When Boehner threw in the towel, though, even his critics in the caucus were stunned:

Boehner’s speech to the group was short and curt: He said his plan didn’t have enough support, and that the House would adjourn until after Christmas, perhaps even later. But it was Boehner’s tone and body language that caught most Republicans off guard. The speaker looked defeated, unhappy, and exhausted after hours of wrangling. He didn’t want to fight. There was no name-calling. As a devout Roman Catholic, Boehner wanted to pray. “God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,” he told the crowd, according to attendees.

There were audible gasps of surprise, especially from freshman lawmakers who didn’t see the meltdown coming. Boehner’s friends were shocked, and voiced their disappointment so the speaker’s foes could hear. “My buddies and I said the same thing to each other,” a Boehner ally told me later. “We looked at each other, rolled our eyes, and just groaned. This is a disaster.”

Representative Mike Kelly of Pennsylvania, a burly former car dealer, stood up and urged the conference to get behind the speaker. “How the hell can you do this?” Kelly asked, according to several people inside the room. A few of Boehner’s critics told Kelly to stop lecturing, but most were silent. They had been battling against “Plan B” all week, and quite suddenly, they had crippled the leadership. Boehner sensed the tension, requested calm, and then exited the room.

It’s not just Boehner allies who may end up regretting the failure:

“I don’t want to talk to the people who ruined this, at least right now,” a retiring House member told me. “They don’t get it.” Another senior member told me that Boehner was always going to struggle with the whip count since most House conservatives have little interest in seeing the speaker strike any kind of deal. “Boehner was trying to play chess and the caucus was playing checkers,” he said, sighing. “Boehner is willing to lose a pawn for a queen. I’m not sure about the rest.”

Representative Justin Amash of Michigan, a conservative with libertarian leanings, was stunned. As he walked back to his office, he said the episode was unfortunate, even though he was planning to vote against the measure. For the past month, since House leaders booted him off the budget committee, he has been railing against Boehner for his management style. But even Amash wondered whether the House GOP was making the right move. “Too many people in there were arguing that this thing is a tax increase, and I don’t think that’s what Boehner was trying to do,” he said. As much as he disagrees with Boehner’s approach, even he regretted how the speaker’s plan was killed.

Be sure to read it all.  While Boehner came under considerable heat for this strategy, he’s playing a losing hand overall anyway.  Plan B wouldn’t have even gotten a Senate vote, but neither will any bill pushed by the conservative wing, either.  Plan B would have at least given Republicans some measure of political cover to insist that they weren’t blocking middle-class tax stability, especially since the bill that Boehner pulled would have addressed tax rates separately, as well as the AMT patch. And if by chance the Senate felt forced to take it up and pass it, the bill would have left the debt limit as a big bargaining chip for February without keeping most taxpayers hostage.

Instead, Boehner lost control of the caucus, and with it any juice Boehner might have now or in February.  That’s Boehner’s fault in large measure, too; he shouldn’t have gone to the floor without knowing he could get enough support to pass the bill.  But the failure of this measure makes it very easy for Democrats and the media to paint the House GOP as so resistant to new revenues that they’re willing to obstruct tax relief for over 99% of the country, even though Democrats had said they wouldn’t pass it.

Will this push us over the fiscal cliff?  I will have a few thoughts on that later.


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Boehner’s speech to the group was short and curt: He said his plan didn’t have enough support, and that the House would adjourn until after Christmas, perhaps even later. But it was Boehner’s tone and body language that caught most Republicans off guard. The speaker looked defeated, unhappy, and exhausted after hours of wrangling. He didn’t want to fight. There was no name-calling. As a devout Roman Catholic, Boehner wanted to pray. “God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,” he told the crowd, according to attendees.

My biggest complaint about Boehner is not if he is some RINO or not, but that he is not a fighter. He maybe a nice guy, but he is a poor leader. He wasted hordes of energy and time trying to work out a deal with Obama that was never going to happen. He divided his own party by trying to push something that might gain the GOP a little good PR, but whatever little PR they would have gotten would have been temporary and not worth splitting the GOP over. Plus it was DOA in the senate.

That is not good strategy or leadership.

William Eaton on December 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Plan D:

Dump Boehner

MitchFlorida on December 21, 2012 at 12:39 PM

I’m not shedding any tears for Boehner. He shouldn’t have purged conservatives if he wants to lead a conservative party.

sauldalinsky on December 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM

The federal government of the United States, the greatest criminal enterprise the world has ever seen. They can all go to HE!!.

djtnt on December 21, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Boehner did his best. The guys who voted against this will regret it — for the next deal will involve the Democrats of the House.

unclesmrgol on December 21, 2012 at 12:26 PM

uh huh.

Cuz the senate would have SURELY approved plan B.

Tim_CA on December 21, 2012 at 12:43 PM

I guess it’s time to drop the GOP and register as an independent. It used to be said that politics was “the art of the possible.” No longer.

What the “let it burn” fools fail to realize is that this nation is too great to actually fail in the way they imagine in their fever dreams. Instead, it will wallow along like a great beast with a deep, painful, crippling, but not fatal wound.

Euro-statism, China, and Islamism will be ascendant and the American Experiment will become an interesting two-hundred-year anomaly in political history.

skydaddy on December 21, 2012 at 10:00 AM

but plan would have prevented all that right? Just like the McConnel grand bargain which put us in this mess to begin with. Give it up.

Daemonocracy on December 21, 2012 at 12:44 PM

but plan B would have prevented all that right? Just like the McConnel’s grand bargain which put us in this mess to begin with. Give it up.

Daemonocracy on December 21, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Daemonocracy on December 21, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Boehner did his best. The guys who voted against this will regret it — for the next deal will involve the Democrats of the House.

unclesmrgol on December 21, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Most conservatives have never bought into the illusion that GOP so-called “moderates” (I prefer to call them RINOs) are their friends.

We understand who our enemies (Dems and RINOs) are and trust me, the battle is just beginning. It will make the Tea Party primary purge of 2010 seem like child play.

TheRightMan on December 21, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Lol. Party of No has reached such an extreme that they tell no to themselves.

lester on December 21, 2012 at 11:08 AM

I would not be happy if I were a progressive or democrat. This may be the end of Boehner, which means the next GOP speaker could be someone who is competent and tough.

Be careful what you wish for….from revolutions spring new and fresh leadership.

William Eaton on December 21, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Michelle Bachmann for Speaker.

Time for someone with a pair to lead the GOP.

Bruno Strozek on December 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Cuz the senate would have SURELY approved plan B.

Tim_CA on December 21, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Face it, we’re headed over the cliff. The House could pass any legislation it wants (and has) but it will never get out of the Senate. The rat-eared wonder wants to swoop in and be Santa Claus when it comes to tax cuts for some once he kills the Bush era tax cuts and all the rest.

The thing is, and it is unlikely with the cowards in the House GOP leadership, but rejection of Plan B tells the rat-eared wonder that he isn’t going to get all he wants through the House fiscal conservatives. He’s going have to offer something up. It will all depend on how the GOP plays this messaging game over the next few weeks.

Happy Nomad on December 21, 2012 at 12:54 PM

The rat-eared wonder wants to swoop in and be Santa Claus when it comes to tax cuts for some once he kills the Bush era tax cuts and all the rest.

Happy Nomad on December 21, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Bingo.

Tim_CA on December 21, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Be careful what you wish for….from revolutions spring new and fresh leadership.

William Eaton on December 21, 2012 at 12:48 PM

A “Potomac Spring” where the forces of democracy rise up to take down a foreign born despot?

Happy Nomad on December 21, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Good afternoon HotAir:

I am simply worn out from the non stop drivel that
is expelled from DC…..

..so I will simply say

MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL HOTAIRIANS.

ToddPA on December 21, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Paul Ryan received a waiver to be Budget head, he is not senior enough to get that. A lot of the plum jobs go the way of seniority, and establishment members expect that. I think they need to abolish the seniority rules within the republican side of the House, or the entire House, if possible. There are things in which experience counts, but not if it is only to drag bad practice thru to the present. I am not for hasty knee jerk decision making. But some of the 2010 tea party members do not have the seniority to qualify for the best jobs, just like Rubio in the Senate

Ryan got a waiver to continue on as Budget Chairman. Republican House caucus rules state that people can only be chairman/ ranking member for three terms and Ryan hit the limit. However, there was no way that they were going to relegate the VP nominee to the back benches. However, Ryan initially got to be ranking member by outmanuerving more senior members in 2006. So I do think that there is a way for junior members to wield an enormous amount of influence in Congress. However, those members tend to be savvy politicians. None of the tea party members in question have shown themselves to have the sort of political savvy Ryan does.

I also think that Rubio is a bad example because he is basically the Republican’s Obama. Don’t expect Rubio to become a dedicated legislator before his inevitable 2016 Presidential run. I do think that Rubio’s really good at projecting a specific image and that is really important in politics, but he doesn’t have the Washington political instincts that Ryan does.

Illinidiva on December 21, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Oh yeah, there are many anarchists and reactionaries who masquerade themselves as Conservatives. I call them CINO’s. Great at rhetoric, lousy at governance. No sense of reality or pragmatism. Blinders with ideology. The CINO’s destroyed the Speakers credibility. Now Bronco Bama will get all he wants, and more. Thanks to the CINO’s.

tommy71 on December 21, 2012 at 12:59 PM

ToddPA on December 21, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Back at ya!!

Tim_CA on December 21, 2012 at 12:59 PM

ToddPA, thanks for your wishes. May my Lord and Saviour, Jesus the Christ, bless you with long life, good health, great prosperity, and a harmonious family.

tommy71 on December 21, 2012 at 1:06 PM

I’m in favor of going over the cliff, but there was a smart way to do it, and a stupid way.

The far right in the caucus last night played this very stupidly.

I hope businesses and leaders in their respective districts are raising Hell.

What happened last night: they’ve set the table for Obama and the Dems to be the advocates and heroes of the middle class tax cuts. The GOP could have had this proactive high ground for the rest of the calendar year and given Reid/Obama a world class headache.

Absolute idiocy. This far right crowd is more worried about a primary from their right in 2014 than winning a decent legislative victory over Reid/Obama.

matthew8787 on December 21, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Cuz the senate would have SURELY approved plan B.

Tim_CA on December 21, 2012 at 12:43 PM

That’s not the point. Refusing to vote on something does not absolve Reid from responsibility for getting something done.

Now the House GOP has forfeited the high ground.

As one tweet read last night: only this GOP caucus could manage to turn the Bush tax cuts into the Obama tax cuts.

matthew8787 on December 21, 2012 at 1:21 PM

The self annointed conservatives have lost all credibility, their inabity to understand the dynamics of this is astounding.

Tater Salad on December 21, 2012 at 1:22 PM

This whole let it burn attitude is making me angry. Do you guys have jobs? Pay taxes? My margins are small, I can’t afford to pay more.

legalimmigrant on December 21, 2012 at 1:24 PM

The self annointed conservatives have lost all credibility, their inabity to understand the dynamics of this is astounding.

Tater Salad on December 21, 2012 at 1:22 PM

^^^This^^^………..I think.

The Republican’s could have all voted for Plan B and then thrown it back at Harry Reid who wasn’t going to bring to the Senate floor to begin with?

JPeterman on December 21, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Maybe the Speaker’s mantra should be – “Never let a good cockus go to waste” /

rsherwd65 on December 21, 2012 at 1:28 PM

My biggest complaint about Boehner is not if he is some RINO or not, but that he is not a fighter. He maybe a nice guy, but he is a poor leader. He wasted hordes of energy and time trying to work out a deal with Obama that was never going to happen. He divided his own party by trying to push something that might gain the GOP a little good PR, but whatever little PR they would have gotten would have been temporary and not worth splitting the GOP over. Plus it was DOA in the senate.

That is not good strategy or leadership.

William Eaton on December 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Yeah. Always looking to be liked or gain approval.

Obama doesn’t care. He has an agenda and he has the media’s blessing to do whatever he wants. They have so far successfully covered up the death of an ambassador and three others.

With that a smart man would realize that you can’t play nice, would have decided what the R end game is and work towards that. Not try to compromise and work with Obama.

This is pure establishment maneuvering from Boehner. Too bad Obama isn’t establishment who understands that keeping the trough full is the primary objective. Obama wants to crush us and fulfill his socialist agenda. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem that the “smart kids” realize this.

And I agree – Boehner and most of the Rs have no fight in them. Take a second to think of what happens to fighters in the GOP – they either get redistricted out of existence or smeared in the media.

And we allow this. We’re getting the government we deserve for our decades of apathy and weakness.

kim roy on December 21, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Good afternoon HotAir:

I am simply worn out from the non stop drivel that
is expelled from DC…..

..so I will simply say

MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL HOTAIRIANS.

ToddPA on December 21, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Backatcha! :)

kim roy on December 21, 2012 at 1:48 PM

This whole let it burn attitude is making me angry. Do you guys have jobs? Pay taxes? My margins are small, I can’t afford to pay more.

legalimmigrant on December 21, 2012 at 1:24 PM

You think it’s going to get better punting the real problem down the road and doing absolutely nothing about why the fiscal life of the country is on life support?

At some point some hardship is going to have to occur. It’s the way it is. It may sound cold to say this, but it is a fact and sooner people get used to it and prepare appropriately the better off.

kim roy on December 21, 2012 at 1:53 PM

kim roy on December 21, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Should have also added the other option is to let Obama’s socialist agenda through – that will allow people to not have to worry anymore about making decisions – the government will do that for you and take care of you cradle to grave. A society of Julias.

There’s always choices, right?

kim roy on December 21, 2012 at 1:55 PM

“political cover” = trying to find a way to prevent the GOP hating MSM, who will always look for a way to bash the GOP, from beating us to a pulp, as opposed to just roughing us up a bit. Screw that!

If the American people want one party rule, that’s their choice. If they want to keep voting for the Democrats over and over again, because either a) they do whatever Jon Stewart tells them to, or b) they’re immigrants who came from countries that offered entitlements, and they think they can come here and enjoy a higher standard of living and have all sorts of entitlements too, that’s fine.

But the fact is, the GOP is still winning plenty of statewide elections, and we control Congress, so I’m not convinced that a majority of Americans are ready to give the Democrats a permanent majority.

Obama got away with blaming “the mess that he inherited” in order to get re-elected. Frankly, I think over the course of his 2nd term, he’ll have more luck continuing to blame Bush than trying to blame the current so-called GOP obstructionism, when they only control one wing of the Federal government. Even low information voters aren’t so stupid as to believe that a GOP Congress alone can lead us to economic disaster. And if they do, then we’re already finished.

ardenenoch on December 21, 2012 at 2:01 PM

Boehner was the minority leader of the house when Bush / Obama / McCain negotiated TARP.

Bush is retired. McCain isn’t in charge of anything – someone get Boehner’s LOOSING ASS off the field now.

Seriously folks – how long do you stay with a pitcher who keeps the bases loaded?

HondaV65 on December 21, 2012 at 2:11 PM

The self annointed conservatives have lost all credibility, their inabity to understand the dynamics of this is astounding.

Tater Salad on December 21, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Yep. The TruCon™ war on the GOP started during the primaries with the push for a brokered convention, continued as many sat out the election to give Obama the win, and continues now with the revolt against Boehner and Cantor.

The Dems and the media don’t even have to do much to destroy the Republicans now….the GOP is fracturing all by itself.

Priscilla on December 21, 2012 at 2:16 PM

About a half-hour ago I heard the most genius solution from Rush. The House should pass a bill that cuts taxes further on the middle class then let Obamuh and Harry Reidiculous veto that. If part of their purpose here is to expose Obamuh and the Dembeciles for the greedy b-turds that they are, then this is the perfect way to do it. I would propose leaving millionaire tax rates the same, and cut the tax rates for those earning under a million by a percentage point or two. Also include the sequestration and AMT fixes in the bill.

Don’t even argue that we can’t cut taxes right now cuz–why not? What Obamuh is proposing won’t raise enough money to fix the problem they keep claiming that raising taxes on the rich will and won’t even make a dent in it. Besides, Obamuh has other pet projects in mind to spend that first $80 billion on anyway. If Boehner wasn’t so scared spitless he could’ve come up with this himself and if the GOP establishment wasn’t so afraid and didn’t give such a damn about what everybody else thinks–especially the scumplicit slimestream media–they’d have been all over this solution a long time ago.

The Republicans are getting blamed no matter what. If people want to call it silly, well, it’s no sillier than the arrogant spew we’ve heard from the other side already. Obamuh and Harry Reidiculous are going to thumb their noses at whatever the House sends them, so make it count, make them have to really defend themselves, force them to explain why they won’t support a tax cut for the middle class. Let’s make it clear that the real problem is they can’t stop overspending and squandering. Force the slimestream media to tell the American people why they can’t have lower taxes.

I’m pretty sure Boehner could easily get the votes to pass it.

stukinIL4now on December 21, 2012 at 2:20 PM

Well, I hope all the fringe nutters are happy now. Not only will you be Obama’s little butt-boys on this, you will get the full blame. Nice going!

But I suppose your goal was to wreck the Republican Party anyway, and if America has to wreck too, in the process, it’s a price you are willing to pay. Happy anarchy!

Adjoran on December 21, 2012 at 2:25 PM

So much for the NY Jets being the worst team out there…

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 10:03 AM

C’mon have you seen the Buffalo Bills lately? The Jets killed them. Even the house GOP could beat them. The Jets aren’t even the worst team in New York let alone all of football.

KW64 on December 21, 2012 at 2:35 PM

Absolute idiocy. This far right crowd is more worried about a primary from their right in 2014 than winning a decent legislative victory over Reid/Obama.

matthew8787 on December 21, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Bingo.

Priscilla on December 21, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Oh yeah, there are many anarchists and reactionaries who masquerade themselves as Conservatives. I call them CINO’s. Great at rhetoric, lousy at governance. No sense of reality or pragmatism. Blinders with ideology. The CINO’s destroyed the Speakers credibility. Now Bronco Bama will get all he wants, and more. Thanks to the CINO’s.

tommy71 on December 21, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Cry more.

Your “pragmatism” is what got us here in the first place with that grand bargain B.S. 2 years ago. It’s time for you people to move inside instead of scapegoating conservatives for your string of losses.

Daemonocracy on December 21, 2012 at 2:56 PM

^ Move inside should be move aside

stupid typos

Daemonocracy on December 21, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Absolute idiocy. This far right crowd is more worried about a primary from their right in 2014 than winning a decent legislative victory over Reid/Obama.

matthew8787 on December 21, 2012 at 1:18 PM

We control the purse strings and it’s time to start acting like we do. The people who voted against this were elected on an anti-establishment platform where they rejected the wheeling and dealing politics of usual, they’re just doing what they always said they were going to do. You on the other hand are just spewing wild speculation.

Daemonocracy on December 21, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Boehner was the minority leader of the house when Bush / Obama / McCain negotiated TARP.

Bush is retired. McCain isn’t in charge of anything – someone get Boehner’s LOOSING ASS off the field now.

Seriously folks – how long do you stay with a pitcher who keeps the bases loaded?

HondaV65 on December 21, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Shut up and sit down, you have no dog in this hunt any longer.

You voted for King Obama. You are now irrelevant.

JPeterman on December 21, 2012 at 3:01 PM

This whole let it burn attitude is making me angry. Do you guys have jobs? Pay taxes? My margins are small, I can’t afford to pay more.

legalimmigrant on December 21, 2012 at 1:24 PM

See how scared you are about paying more taxes? That’s what America needs to feel. It’s the only way to cut through the media and white house rhetoric. Obama can call the GOP hostage takers all he wants, but the people will eventually beg and demand he give in.

And you’re misunderstanding the whole let it burn approach, it’s about Republicans voting present and letting Obama and the Dems own his policies and the resulting economy. Boehner is actually trying to make policy when Obama is only focusing on rhetoric, he’s getting played.

Daemonocracy on December 21, 2012 at 3:09 PM

Oh yeah, there are many anarchists and reactionaries who masquerade themselves as Conservatives. I call them CINO’s. Great at rhetoric, lousy at governance. No sense of reality or pragmatism. Blinders with ideology. The CINO’s destroyed the Speakers credibility. Now Bronco Bama will get all he wants, and more. Thanks to the CINO’s.

tommy71 on December 21, 2012 at 12:59 PM

The true CINO’s are the Republican moderates who have continued spending unabated for the last 30 years under the auspice of compromise. They have done a great job of toeing the conservative line when they needed to raise funds for re-election or generate turnout in a contested primary or general election, but once they step foot in the hallowed chambers of the Capitol they seem to leave their “conservative” baggage at the door and vote for compromise (code for more spending).

Now because they have lied for so long about their so-called fiscal conservativeness, we have to pay the price as a country. We lived too long on borrowed money. Received more from the Federal Government as a populace (Govt. Programs) then what was put back in from the populace (taxes). Now we have to enter an extended period of paying more in and receiving less. There is no other alternative besides the end of our Republic.

weaselyone on December 21, 2012 at 3:12 PM

CINOs ain’t conservatives at all. They got a victim complex. A bunch of anarchists and reactionaries. By cutting the legs and the credibility of their own Speaker, they hand over victory to Obama and the progs. The CINOs don’t fight the true enemy, the progs. I’ll see the CINOs cry when Obama gets what he wants, and more. Dumb as bricks.

tommy71 on December 21, 2012 at 3:29 PM

And you’re misunderstanding the whole let it burn approach, it’s about Republicans voting present and letting Obama and the Dems own his policies and the resulting economy. Boehner is actually trying to make policy when Obama is only focusing on rhetoric, he’s getting played.

Daemonocracy on December 21, 2012 at 3:09 PM

And how will you justify this brilliant strategy in January, after the Bush tax rates have expired and Obama introduces his “middle-class tax cut”? Will Republicans vote against it?

Priscilla on December 21, 2012 at 3:35 PM

CINOs ain’t conservatives at all. They got a victim complex. A bunch of anarchists and reactionaries. By cutting the legs and the credibility of their own Speaker, they hand over victory to Obama and the progs. The CINOs don’t fight the true enemy, the progs. I’ll see the CINOs cry when Obama gets what he wants, and more. Dumb as bricks.

tommy71 on December 21, 2012 at 3:29 PM

The true enemy are those who would borrow money for handouts now to be paid at a later date.

What bill has Boehner ever passed as leader that actually cut spending or reduced the deficit in year 1?

weaselyone on December 21, 2012 at 3:39 PM

Lol, Priscilla. Exactly my question. CINOs, try and reply to my first comment on this thread. Then we’ll see bout the CINOs ‘Conservative Principles’. Lol

tommy71 on December 21, 2012 at 3:42 PM

CINOs ain’t conservatives at all. They got a victim complex. A bunch of anarchists and reactionaries. By cutting the legs and the credibility of their own Speaker, they hand over victory to Obama and the progs. The CINOs don’t fight the true enemy, the progs. I’ll see the CINOs cry when Obama gets what he wants, and more. Dumb as bricks.

tommy71 on December 21, 2012 at 3:29 PM

I can feel the angst from here. Geez. Take a pill.

Obama is always going to get what he wants. The population are idiots and the media is corrupt. What we need to do is wait it out and be prepared to clean up eventually.

You honestly think that Obama is going to play straight with anyone? Compromise? Do the hard work that needs to be done?

And you honestly think that Boehner is the man who can compel Obama to these actions?

No really – do you honestly believe any of that? Seriously?

kim roy on December 21, 2012 at 3:42 PM

No weaselyone, Boehner was elected as Speaker, the leader of House pubs. If the House pubs are unhappy with him, and have the nos., throw him out of the leadership, and elect another. Otherwise, STFU, and follow the leader. Conservatives are disciplined, ordered and loyal. All I see are CINO’s, trying to pass this off as ‘Conservative Principles’. If unhappy with the Speaker, remove and replace him/her within the GOP political structure. When the leader, the Speaker is negotiating with the enemy, and is in the public eye, its ridiculous to be disloyal. Its political suicide. The dems know it, and through the MSM, so do the general electorate. And a few sane pubs know it too. The CINO’s are celebrating. Lol

tommy71 on December 21, 2012 at 3:54 PM

kim roy, I seriously believe in what I’ve stated. Thats all.

tommy71 on December 21, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Got to go for now. Ponder over what I said. Try and read my first comment on this thread, if you can. Or on the other hand, believe what you want to believe.

tommy71 on December 21, 2012 at 4:10 PM

And how will you justify this brilliant strategy in January, after the Bush tax rates have expired and Obama introduces his “middle-class tax cut”? Will Republicans vote against it?

Priscilla on December 21, 2012 at 3:35 PM

You’re thinking in strictly political terms. No principles what so ever, you are only concerned about the optics which are worthless.

What part of giving Obama what he wants don’t you understand? Nothing would expire, you vote present and let him raise taxes and increase spending with only Democrats supporting it. Middle Class tax cuts will remain unchanged.

Plan B was already dismissed by Harry Reid with Obama threatening to veto, so what was the point of that other than getting Conservatives on record voting for a tax hike and raising the debt ceiling again? You really want another debt ceiling fight a year from now when midterm campaigns are gearing up?

Explain to me what the benefit of passing plan B is when both the Senate and the White House have already dismissed it, and Americans will never even know about it?

Daemonocracy on December 21, 2012 at 4:55 PM

therwise, STFU, and follow the leader. Conservatives are disciplined, ordered and loyal

tommy71 on December 21, 2012 at 3:54 PM

So in your world Conservatism = Authoritarianism and sheep.

Daemonocracy on December 21, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Nothing would expire, you vote present and let him raise taxes and increase spending with only Democrats supporting it. Middle Class tax cuts will remain unchanged.

Nothing would expire, huh? So you are not aware that, unless legislative action is taken, the Bush tax rates will expire and rates will go up for all income brackets? And that Obama has been using this exact fact to claim that the GOP is “holding the middle-class hostage” in order to preserve lower tax rates for the “rich”. Oh, and that, as soon as they do expire he will propose “cuts” for the middle class and take that issue away from the Republicans. What do you think that Plan B was about anyway?

Priscilla on December 21, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Voting present on extending the tax rates for the middle class, but hiking the rates on the “rich” and hiking spending is legislative action. It would be passed by the Democrats and owned by the Democrats. The Dems want the Republicans to have their name attached to any piece of legislation that effects the economy, so there is a chance they might not even support Obama’s own proposals which would embarrass the hell out of him, but the whole point of “let it burn” is to force the Democrats to own their economic agenda. All Obama talks about is taxing the rich and the only way to force the American people to see that he is full of is to give them a dose of reality that not only will it not make a dent in our budget, but it will hurt the economy.

All plan B would have done would put conservatives on record supporting tax hikes, and then the bill would have gone nowhere. It was a complete waste of political posturing. The Republican party is running around scared worrying about the optics and the next election, watering down what they supposedly stand for with these idiotic compromises that don’t stand a chance of passing.

I’m with this guy

Daemonocracy on December 21, 2012 at 6:16 PM

All Obama talks about is taxing the rich and the only way to force the American people to see that he is full of is to give them a dose of reality that not only will it not make a dent in our budget, but it will hurt the economy.

wow, terrible typing day for me apparently.

All Obama talks about is taxing the rich and the only way to get the American people to see how ineffective and destructive this policy will be in fixing the budget and the economy is to let it pass by voting present and with full Democratic ownership.

Daemonocracy on December 21, 2012 at 6:20 PM

See how scared you are about paying more taxes? That’s what America needs to feel. It’s the only way to cut through the media and white house rhetoric. Obama can call the GOP hostage takers all he wants, but the people will eventually beg and demand he give in.

Daemonocracy

And he will….just like he did last time, if our side stops falling over itself trying to find ways to surrender.

xblade on December 21, 2012 at 6:29 PM

You think it’s going to get better punting the real problem down the road and doing absolutely nothing about why the fiscal life of the country is on life support?

At some point some hardship is going to have to occur. It’s the way it is. It may sound cold to say this, but it is a fact and sooner people get used to it and prepare appropriately the better off.

kim roy on December 21, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Yep – well said.

The longer it takes for us to grab the bull by the horns, the bigger the bull gets, making it a progressively more difficult endeavor to vanquish it – let’s be big boys and girls, and deal with this now rather than later. Why so many on the Right don’t seem to understand the wisdom and necessity of this is frustrating.

“political cover” = trying to find a way to prevent the GOP hating MSM, who will always look for a way to bash the GOP, from beating us to a pulp, as opposed to just roughing us up a bit. Screw that!

If the American people want one party rule, that’s their choice. If they want to keep voting for the Democrats over and over again, because either a) they do whatever Jon Stewart tells them to, or b) they’re immigrants who came from countries that offered entitlements, and they think they can come here and enjoy a higher standard of living and have all sorts of entitlements too, that’s fine.

But the fact is, the GOP is still winning plenty of statewide elections, and we control Congress, so I’m not convinced that a majority of Americans are ready to give the Democrats a permanent majority.

Obama got away with blaming “the mess that he inherited” in order to get re-elected. Frankly, I think over the course of his 2nd term, he’ll have more luck continuing to blame Bush than trying to blame the current so-called GOP obstructionism, when they only control one wing of the Federal government. Even low information voters aren’t so stupid as to believe that a GOP Congress alone can lead us to economic disaster. And if they do, then we’re already finished.

ardenenoch on December 21, 2012 at 2:01 PM

Another good post.

We control the purse strings and it’s time to start acting like we do. The people who voted against this were elected on an anti-establishment platform where they rejected the wheeling and dealing politics of usual, they’re just doing what they always said they were going to do. You on the other hand are just spewing wild speculation.

Daemonocracy on December 21, 2012 at 3:00 PM

And, another! :)

Anti-Control on December 21, 2012 at 6:41 PM

“Boehner was trying to play chess and the caucus was playing checkers,” he said, sighing. “Boehner is willing to lose a pawn for a queen. I’m not sure about the rest.”

So tired of the ignorant establishment tools who think this hackneyed cliche makes them look smart.

I suppose that’s typical beltway enlightened priorities… so busy chasing queens they don’t notice getting checkmated in the process.

CapnObvious on December 21, 2012 at 6:55 PM

kim roy, I seriously believe in what I’ve stated. Thats all.

tommy71 on December 21, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Okey dokey.

kim roy on December 21, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Boehner did his best. The guys who voted against this will regret it — for the next deal will involve the Democrats of the House.

unclesmrgol on December 21, 2012 at 12:26 PM

My feelings exactly.

By the way, unclesmrgol, I’ve always loved your comments.

Burke on December 21, 2012 at 9:06 PM

We understand who our enemies (Dems and RINOs) are and trust me, the battle is just beginning. It will make the Tea Party primary purge of 2010 seem like child play.

TheRightMan on December 21, 2012 at 12:48 PM

The IRS killed off the Tea Party. They threw all their mussel they had into destroying it. They required forms be filled out naming all who gave them money and took away their tax exempt status.

We have no Democracy. We are a Communist Dictatorship right now with the illusion of two parties. In reality there is only one Party. The Republicans just pretend to be another party while supporting the Democrat Party. Since Obama became Dictator he has had 100% control and the Republicans have not even made the smallest of dents in his Dictatorship. John just rubber stamps everything Obama really wants.

No real investigations no matter how big the destruction of the Constitution. No matter how serious the abuses. Guns to Mexican gangs in Mexico and America so what. We will not investigate that we will just take Obama and Holders words.

Steveangell on December 22, 2012 at 5:37 AM

Boehner did his best.

unclesmrgol on December 21, 2012 at 12:26 PM

His “Best” included booting conservatives from committees right before he asked them to make a tough vote to pass a bill that wouldn’t pass the senate.

If the bill had a chance of passing the senate, it would have passed the House. Legislators are (quite rationally) unwilling to put themselves on record voting for something they oppose when there’s not even the upside of it passing. Plan B was about nothing more than political cover. I don’t care if Obama gets “credit” for a middle class tax cut next year. I don’t even think a middle-class tax cut is a good idea. Chickens have to come home to roost eventually, and people voted for this crap.

alwaysfiredup on December 22, 2012 at 11:18 AM

“Boehner is willing to lose a pawn queen for a queen pawn. ”

(Corrected obvious error in quote)

There is no way you can sell your children into slavery and then claim some kind of strategic victory.

Any deal which results in HIGHER SPENDING in real DOLLARS (no matter what accounting gimmicks like “baseline budgeting” are used to hide it) is a capitulation.

The “Balanced Approach” (cute name for a fraud) the Democrats are blathering about is simply a way of obscuring the fact that ANY AMOUNT added to current spending just makes the situation worse. The ONLY way to solve the budget problem is to REDUCE SPENDING!!! A 5% across-the-board cut in every budget for every government agency and department would be a good way to take the fear out of this approach. Then when the world doesn’t end, follow that up with a 15% across-the-board cut in every budget EVERY YEAR until the budget is balanced. Private industry does this all the time.

If the Republicans cannot stand firm on this, what good are they??

landlines on December 23, 2012 at 10:03 PM

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