Open thread: The Plan B vote; Update: Boehner calls conference meeting for 7:45; Update: Vote canceled; Update: No more action until after Christmas

posted at 7:04 pm on December 20, 2012 by Allahpundit

We all know the stakes — or do we? Plan B is, at base, a messaging ploy designed to convince the public that, if we go over the cliff, it’s because Obama and the damned Democrats wouldn’t take yes for an answer on taxing millionaires. But will the public receive that message?

The latest polling shows that if the country falls over the cliff, 48 percent of Americans will blame GOP leader John Boehner. Only 37 percent said they would blame the president.

“The optics of this favor the president and the Democrats,” Kondik says. “Honestly, how many people are paying attention to Boehner’s ‘Plan B?’ This is a more difficult fight for the Republicans than it is for the president.”

If the PR value is thin, then why’d Boehner do it? Because, for the moment, he can’t get the votes he needs on a deal with Obama:

Republican officials said that members of the GOP leadership had balked at the terms that were emerging. Democrats said Boehner’s abrupt decision to shift to his Plan B — legislation drafted unilaterally by Republicans — reflected a calculation that he lacked support from his own rank and file to win the votes needed for the type of agreement he was negotiating with the president.

That’s from an AP article arguing that there’ll be more negotiations to come after Christmas, although Boehner will obviously have more leverage with Obama if tonight’s bill passes than if it fails. The House has already (barely) passed the companion bill to Plan B this evening, incidentally: The Spending Reduction Act eliminates the automatic defense cuts that were set to take effect on January 1 as part of the sequester. That bill was Boehner’s attempt to sweeten the pot on Plan B for conservatives by giving them some cuts to vote for too. It squeaked through, 215-209. The vote on Plan B itself is scheduled for 7:30 ET but could come a bit sooner or later.

Under normal circumstances, failing to hold the caucus together on a vote on which Boehner’s staked so much might be cause to start looking for a new Speaker. But the rest of the leadership has lined up behind him on this. If it fails, it’s not just his failure, it’s theirs too. Stand by for updates.

Update: Harry Reid’s top flack is milking this for all it’s worth:

Update: Democrats’ new favorite Republican wonders why we can’t all just get along.

Update: Here’s the key number from CNN’s poll today. Plan B is supposed to move these numbers towards the GOP a bit. Emphasis on “supposed to.”

Update: Hmmmmmmmmm:

Update: Keith Hennessey imagines what a viable fiscal-cliff deal based roughly on Plan B might look like:

I think the following bill could pass the House and Senate before the end of the year.

All tax rates below $700K of income are extended permanently as they are now.
Above $700K, tax rates revert permanently to their pre-2001 rates: 39.6% for income and dividends, 20% for capital gains;
the Personal Exemption Phaseout (PEP) and Pease limit on itemized deductions are not reinstated; and
the AMT is permanently patched.

In addition, I think a separate bill or bills pass to:

extend unemployment insurance in some form;
patch the Medicare “doc fix” for another year; and
delay or mitigate the spending sequester for 6-12 months.

Update: Are they going to pull the bill?

Update: Sure sounds like they’re thinking of pulling the bill:

Rep. Tim Scott (R-S.C.), on his way to see Inouye’s casket, said “I have no clue” what would happen with Plan B — and responded “I have no clue” when asked whether he planned to vote for it…

Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-N.C.), a key Boehner ally, emerged from the Speaker’s office suite carrying a plate of Chick-Fil-A. Asked if she knew whether her conference had the votes to pass the bill, she said, “I have no idea” before rushing away. When she was asked again later as she returned to the office, Foxx grimmaced and kept walking.

Also, Rep. Kay Granger (R-Texas) nodded her head “no” when asked by reporters if she thinks the House will be able to vote and pass Plan B tonight.

Update: Embarrassing:

Update: The House won’t act further until after Christmas.

Update: Krauthammer, a few hours before the non-vote: “If the ‘Plan B’ does not succeed, if he fails in the House, Boehner has a ‘Plan C.’ That’s the Mayan apocalypse tomorrow.”

Update: War?

Update: Boehner’s statement:

“The House did not take up the tax measure today because it did not have sufficient support from our members to pass. Now it is up to the president to work with Senator Reid on legislation to avert the fiscal cliff. The House has already passed legislation to stop all of the January 1 tax rate increases and replace the sequester with responsible spending cuts that will begin to address our nation’s crippling debt. The Senate must now act,” he said in a statement.

Update: Brutal:


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All right folks… 8 hours until the end of the World, raise your hand if you forgot to Loid your Girns… o_O

SWalker on December 20, 2012 at 7:05 PM

All right folks… 8 hours until the end of the World, raise your hand if you forgot to Loid your Girns… o_O

SWalker on December 20, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Almost 1:10 a.m. here girds loined for nothing..

JPeterman on December 20, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Adam Jentleson @AJentleson

House GOP whipping furiously. Can’t remember the last time this much effort went into a pointless vote.

Satan calling it pointless makes me think it might be worth doing.

Axe on December 20, 2012 at 7:09 PM

Almost 1:10 a.m. here girds loined for nothing..

JPeterman on December 20, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Mayan time zone. :)

Still time.

*crosses fingers*

Axe on December 20, 2012 at 7:10 PM

All right folks… 8 hours until the end of the World, raise your hand if you forgot to Loid your Girns… o_O

SWalker on December 20, 2012 at 7:05 PM

I’m ready! I’m taking my make-up bag, liquor cabinet, reading glasses, iPad and a carton of cigarettes.

Naturally Curly on December 20, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Almost 1:10 a.m. here girds loined for nothing..

JPeterman on December 20, 2012 at 7:08 PM

wink wink, the Mayans were on Pacific Standard Time, couple more hours to go… o_O

SWalker on December 20, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Almost 1:10 a.m. here girds loined for nothing..

JPeterman on December 20, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Mayan time zone. :)

Still time.

*crosses fingers*

Axe on December 20, 2012 at 7:10 PM

BWAHAHAHAH… beat me to it by that much ^ ^ ;p

SWalker on December 20, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Jake Tapper to CNN…..

KCB on December 20, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Axe on December 20, 2012 at 7:10 PM

From a website here in Slovakia and my best translation:

The Mayan Calendar finishes one of its great circles in December 2012. Some believe this is a sign of the End of the World.

In Bratislava this happens on Friday, December 21, 2012 at 12:11:00 PM.

I guess I have a few hours to go.

JPeterman on December 20, 2012 at 7:13 PM

I don’t think Mayan days began at midnight. I think they began at sunset. A day ends at sunset and the new day begins. So the 21st in Myan time would have started at sunset on the 20th.

crosspatch on December 20, 2012 at 7:13 PM

Plan B is a large compromise from the right, as opposed to no compromise from the left.

Harry nixing it will show how little the left is interested in any compromise.

SouthernRoots on December 20, 2012 at 7:14 PM

Ryan gave a nice speech supporting Boehner apparently.. Also, I’m sure a few Rs will be getting offers they can’t refuse tonight. Seriously, glad there are 30 or so Rs in the House who don’t understand politics.. Eyes roll.

Illinidiva on December 20, 2012 at 7:14 PM

All right folks… 8 hours until the end of the World, raise your hand if you forgot to Loid your Girns… o_O

SWalker on December 20, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Do I have a girn? What does it look like?

Do they service drinks at the end of the world?

kim roy on December 20, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Gosh.. why doesn’t butterball stfu already.

Illinidiva on December 20, 2012 at 7:16 PM

Almost 1:10 a.m. here girds loined for nothing..

JPeterman on December 20, 2012 at 7:08 PM

That’s good. We’d miss you. You’re all loined up with no where to go, tho.

kim roy on December 20, 2012 at 7:16 PM

The GOP is playing super duper chess!! Let’s increase taxes so the democrats don’t have to and then the American people will look to us to stop spending and cut taxes.

Fing idiots. And I don’t want to hear this three dimensional chess crap. Stand on your pricipals, articulate your position, find some intestinal fortitude and vote on a conservative plan.

Bonehead Boehner needs to go. He just strong armed the republican caucus to vote for tax increases. What a fing douche.

Meat Fighter on December 20, 2012 at 7:16 PM

Lou Dobbs just said the House is going into recess for an hour or so. No vote for awhile.

Could be bad news for Boehner.

BacaDog on December 20, 2012 at 7:17 PM

I’m convinced the Mayans neglected to take into account leap years. So by my math, we have at least 5 1/2 more months. Plan accordingly.

hungrymongo on December 20, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Do they service drinks at the end of the world?

kim roy on December 20, 2012 at 7:15 PM

I’m not taking any chances, I’m pretty well toasted right now.

JPeterman on December 20, 2012 at 7:18 PM

I’m convinced the Mayans neglected to take into account leap years. So by my math, we have at least 5 1/2 more months. Plan accordingly.

hungrymongo on December 20, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Sigh, sadly that is not the case. The Mayan calendar is frighteningly accurate. It only loses 1 day every 30,000 years.

SWalker on December 20, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Almost 1:10 a.m. here girds loined for nothing..

JPeterman on December 20, 2012 at 7:08 PM

11:11a.m. EST on Dec. 21, 2012, so they say.

Schadenfreude on December 20, 2012 at 7:22 PM

hungrymongo on December 20, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Wouldn’t that have made it about 5 1/2 months ago?

cozmo on December 20, 2012 at 7:24 PM

Do they service drinks at the end of the world?

kim roy on December 20, 2012 at 7:15 PM

I dunno’ but they serve drinks at “End of the Universe”.

cozmo on December 20, 2012 at 7:26 PM

cozmo on December 20, 2012 at 7:24 PM

Well played sir. Guess we are in the clear…

hungrymongo on December 20, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Plan B must pass the House and the GOP caucus must wake up.

Even if we go over the cliff (which I am fine with), passing Plan B strengthens the GOP hand w public opinion.

And it exposes Reid’s dysfunction and hypocrisy.

matthew8787 on December 20, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Do they service drinks at the end of the world?

kim roy on December 20, 2012 at 7:15 PM

I’m not taking any chances, I’m pretty well toasted right now.

JPeterman on December 20, 2012 at 7:18 PM

Yup, just getting started on that right now, want to time it just right, cause lordy lordy, who wants to go to the end of the world sober, or with a hangover… ;p

SWalker on December 20, 2012 at 7:28 PM

They need about three votes based on the Ryan spending plan passing. Also, in important news.. while Rubio’s hair looks better, apparently no one has gotten Ryan to go to Macy’s and purchase a suit that actually fits him.

Illinidiva on December 20, 2012 at 7:29 PM

I dunno’ but they serve drinks at “End of the Universe”.

cozmo on December 20, 2012 at 7:26 PM

One Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster, please.

hungrymongo on December 20, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Plan B must pass the House and the GOP caucus must wake up.

Even if we go over the cliff (which I am fine with), passing Plan B strengthens the GOP hand w public opinion.

And it exposes Reid’s dysfunction and hypocrisy.

matthew8787 on December 20, 2012 at 7:28 PM

I agree.

rob verdi on December 20, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Could be bad news for Boehner.

BacaDog on December 20, 2012 at 7:17 PM

When I visited my rep’s district office yesterday (he’s an R), I had a laundry list of grievances, the top one being the proposed ban on super duper scary looking guns. The next was that Boehner needed to go. The aide said that they had tons of calls about the gun ban but almost as many with complaints about Boehner. All they need is 16 to get rid of him as speaker. He’s not only imcompetent but an embarrassment.

TxAnn56 on December 20, 2012 at 7:31 PM

You’re all loined up with no where to go, tho.

kim roy on December 20, 2012 at 7:16 PM

Story of my life.

Axe on December 20, 2012 at 7:31 PM

I’m not taking any chances, I’m pretty well toasted right now.

JPeterman on December 20, 2012 at 7:18 PM

Good man!

kim roy on December 20, 2012 at 7:32 PM

We need three or four fiscal cliffs to balance the budget, right? Less the tax increases?

Axe on December 20, 2012 at 7:33 PM

One Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster, please.

hungrymongo on December 20, 2012 at 7:30 PM

1? Better make it at least 4, the world doesn’t end every day ya know.

SWalker on December 20, 2012 at 7:33 PM

I don’t know enough about Boehner’s intentions to say I actually support Plan B yet but at least it’s better than Plan A.

FloatingRock on December 20, 2012 at 7:33 PM

1? Better make it at least 4, the world doesn’t end every day ya know.

SWalker on December 20, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Pacing myself between now and 11:11 EST tomorrow…

hungrymongo on December 20, 2012 at 7:35 PM

1? Better make it at least 4, the world doesn’t end every day ya know.

SWalker on December 20, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Pacing myself between now and 11:11 EST tomorrow…

hungrymongo on December 20, 2012 at 7:35 PM

You better get to drinking in a damned hurry than, cause that is 11:11 EST today, not tomorrow…

SWalker on December 20, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Boehner calls conference meeting at 7:45pm—not looking good

CoffeeLover on December 20, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Jamie Dupree ‏@jamiedupree
Minutes after the House passed the sequester replacement bill, the White House officially threatens a veto

MIght be behind the times, what is that vote he is talking about?

Zaggs on December 20, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Chad Pergram @ChadPergram

House GOP calls conference meeting at 7:45 pm et tonight. #fiscalcliff

What does that mean, Boehner doesn’t have the votes or knows I need a power nap?

JPeterman on December 20, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Umm.. I’m hoping that those demanding Boehner leave are doing so because he is a bad negotiator. Also, who is going to take over for Boehner.. And no Ryan has other plans.

Illinidiva on December 20, 2012 at 7:39 PM

That’s from an AP article arguing that there’ll be more negotiations to come after Christmas, although Boehner will obviously have more leverage with Obama if tonight’s bill passes than if it fails.

Exactly, but the #Demint coalition are going to mutiny because principles? Absolutely mad and maddening.

Buy Danish on December 20, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Boehner makes my liver quiver. now let’s get on to more important things:

Should i waste my money on the Hobbit tomorrow???

GhoulAid on December 20, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Exactly, but the #Demint coalition are going to mutiny because principles? Absolutely mad and maddening.

Buy Danish

To too many in the GOP “principles” are more important than winning.

Zaggs on December 20, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Boehner should just threaten to resign and say “Whichever one of you dumb bastards thinks they can get a GOP victory out of this come and take the gavel from me and show us how it’s done.”

Mark1971 on December 20, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Exactly, but the #Demint coalition are going to mutiny because principles? Absolutely mad and maddening.

Buy Danish on December 20, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Principles? You crazy people have principles? Who ever heard of such a thing?

sharrukin on December 20, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Jamie Dupree ‏@jamiedupree
Minutes after the House passed the sequester replacement bill, the White House officially threatens a veto

MIght be behind the times, what is that vote he is talking about?

Zaggs on December 20, 2012 at 7:37 PM

As I understand it, they passed a bill that took the defense sequester amount in cuts from other areas as a substitute. Debate was actually interesting to watch. Ryan v Van Holland!

CoffeeLover on December 20, 2012 at 7:44 PM

To too many in the GOP “principles” are more important than winning.

Zaggs on December 20, 2012 at 7:41 PM

If winning was all that mattered then Obama would be the horse to bet on wouldn’t he?

sharrukin on December 20, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Mark1971 on December 20, 2012 at 7:43 PM

+10

BacaDog on December 20, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Boehner should just threaten to resign and say “Whichever one of you dumb bastards thinks they can get a GOP victory out of this come and take the gavel from me and show us how it’s done.”

Mark1971 on December 20, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Oh effing please, a damned blind chimpanzee with half it’s brain surgically removed could do a better job than Bonehead.

SWalker on December 20, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Boehner is threatening House Members of their Committee slots, per Mark Levin. He is calling for a surge. Also they are threatening Sub-Committee Chairman if they don’t vote for Boehner.

White House # 202-224-3121. Call your Congress persons and tell them to stand strong and don’t cave to Boehner’s threats.

He doesn’t have the votes and Cantor is lying when he said they do.

bluefox on December 20, 2012 at 7:47 PM

Boehner calls conference meeting for 7:45

What’s a conference meeting?

BacaDog on December 20, 2012 at 7:47 PM

You have Larry and Curly in the photo. Where’s Mo (aka Kevin McCarthy – the third stooge)?

bw222 on December 20, 2012 at 7:48 PM

I am fine with ultimately going over the cliff, but the GOP must pass Plan B first to send the slop to Reid and Obama. Plan B is critical to middle class pr, and frankly once Plan B passes I think public opinion, already moving, will continue to drift toward the GOP.

matthew8787 on December 20, 2012 at 7:48 PM

“As I understand it, they passed a bill that took the defense sequester amount in cuts from other areas as a substitute. Debate was actually interesting to watch. Ryan v Van Holland!

CoffeeLover”

Ah, much thanks.

Zaggs on December 20, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Topple plan B oehner.

celticdefender on December 20, 2012 at 7:50 PM

I think public opinion, already moving, will continue to drift toward the GOP.

matthew8787 on December 20, 2012 at 7:48 PM

I think you should turn the damned television on. The Media sets the narrative, and they are never going to let the Democrat be blamed, but they absolutely will ensure that the Republicans are blamed.

SWalker on December 20, 2012 at 7:51 PM

A conference meeting is a meeting for all current GOP House members, including the leadership.

If Boehner can hold nearly all GOP votes on Plan B, it is possible that some House Dems will cross over, because this may be their last chance to vote against a middle class tax increase, particularly if we DO go over the cliff.

matthew8787 on December 20, 2012 at 7:51 PM

So no demcorats are going to vote for Pelosi’s bill?

SouthernGent on December 20, 2012 at 7:53 PM

I think you should turn the damned television on. The Media sets the narrative, and they are never going to let the Democrat be blamed, but they absolutely will ensure that the Republicans are blamed.

SWalker

While all that is true, its impossible for the media to actually cover it up so long as any republican is given air time. However if no bill passes, then it just plays into the democrats hand.

Zaggs on December 20, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Exactly, but the #Demint coalition are going to mutiny because principles? Absolutely mad and maddening.

Buy Danish on December 20, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Kind of like you told us conatantly for the past two years if conservatives abandoned our principles and nominated Romney we’d win?

You Mittlers are something else. And, of course, you have no principles.

bw222 on December 20, 2012 at 7:54 PM

If you’ll note the poll above, the drift in public opinion is already toward the GOP. If they pass Plan B, the GOP has a HUGE talking point until Reid reacts with something REAL.

Doing nothing guarantees disaster for the GOP.

Reid would not be ridiculing Plan B if he were not afraid of it. It makes his life a living Hell.

matthew8787 on December 20, 2012 at 7:55 PM

While all that is true, its impossible for the media to actually cover it up so long as any republican is given air time. However if no bill passes, then it just plays into the democrats hand.

Zaggs on December 20, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Not very quick on the uptake are ya. The power of the media is so profound, they convinced 45% of all the women in America to vote with their “Lady Parts” instead of their brains. The Media decide who gets air time, and how they are treated when they are on.

SWalker on December 20, 2012 at 7:56 PM

The House operators shut down do to the amount of calls.

I got instruction to click the #key to access some type of message system, LOL

bluefox on December 20, 2012 at 7:57 PM

What’s a conference meeting?

BacaDog on December 20, 2012 at 7:47 PM

That’s when the Gimp comes out.

Chuck Schick on December 20, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Reid would not be ridiculing Plan B if he were not afraid of it. It makes his life a living Hell.

matthew8787 on December 20, 2012 at 7:55 PM

WTF dude, Reid isn’t Afraid of Plan B, he has already promised it will never even get read on the Senate floor, and that is 100 percent a promise he can deliver.

SWalker on December 20, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Exactly, but the #Demint coalition are going to mutiny because principles? Absolutely mad and maddening.

Buy Danish on December 20, 2012 at 7:40 PM

I haven’t been following the details of the BS negotiations but it sounds like it’s probably thanks to #Demint coalition that Boehner has abandoned Plan A. If I knew all the details I suspect I owe DeMint my thanks once again.

FloatingRock on December 20, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Not very quick on the uptake are ya. The power of the media is so profound, they convinced 45% of all the women in America to vote with their “Lady Parts” instead of their brains. The Media decide who gets air time, and how they are treated when they are on.

SWalker

Quite quicker than you actually. The lady parts thing, if you looked it up you saw the GOP trying to make it so some companies didn’t have to cover BC. That worked in the democrats favor. This time, you look up what the GOP says and there is a bill that passed the house and wasn’t voted on in the senate.

Zaggs on December 20, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Topple plan B oehner.

celticdefender on December 20, 2012 at 7:50 PM

I’m not familiar with the details of either plan so this is an honest question: do you prefer Plan A over Plan B? Why?

FloatingRock on December 20, 2012 at 8:00 PM

A conference meeting is a meeting for all current GOP House members, including the leadership.

matthew8787 on December 20, 2012 at 7:51 PM

In other words, Boehner doesn’t have the votes, is handing out bribes and making threats?

JPeterman on December 20, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Passing this, heII even putting this up was a mistake. R’s are spent. Pitiful.

Bmore on December 20, 2012 at 8:00 PM

No vote tonight.

senrex on December 20, 2012 at 8:01 PM

senrex on December 20, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Does that mean we have to stay here until they do?

cozmo on December 20, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Kudlow reporting that there WILL NOT BE A VOTE TONIGHT.

Going into recess until after Christmas.

CoffeeLover on December 20, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Boehner is threatening House Members of their Committee slots, per Mark Levin. He is calling for a surge. Also they are threatening Sub-Committee Chairman if they don’t vote for Boehner.

bluefox on December 20, 2012 at 7:47 PM

If I wanted to listen to an hour of Levin’s show on this topic today, which hour would you recommend?

FloatingRock on December 20, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Does that mean we have to stay here until they do?

cozmo on December 20, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Means they don’t have it. We need to fire Boehner.

Bmore on December 20, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Unbelievable.

I dearly hope we can weather the massive shinola-storm that’s coming our way.

KingGold on December 20, 2012 at 8:04 PM

SWalker

Quite quicker than you actually. The lady parts thing, if you looked it up you saw the GOP trying to make it so some companies didn’t have to cover BC. That worked in the democrats favor. This time, you look up what the GOP says and there is a bill that passed the house and wasn’t voted on in the senate.

Zaggs on December 20, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Wrong answer. Try again troll. The GOP position is and was, that the government should not be able to force anyone to violate their religious convictions.

SWalker on December 20, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Chad Pergram ‏@ChadPergram

Cantor says no vote tonight. #fiscalcliff
Retweeted by Allah Pundit

JPeterman on December 20, 2012 at 8:04 PM

dow futures at -78

CoffeeLover on December 20, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Reid killing a vote by pocketing it does not absolve the senate of responsibility for the calamity. THAT is the point. Idiots!

This decision by the far right tonight is WRONG and guarantees 4 more days of the GOP being blamed for everything. Stupid.

matthew8787 on December 20, 2012 at 8:10 PM

I dearly hope we can weather the massive shinola-storm that’s coming our way.

KingGold on December 20, 2012 at 8:04 PM

What shinola-storm? The MSM? When has the MSM ever been anything other than shinola? They turned up the volume on their shinola in ’08, but did it work for them in ’10? No it did not, not when the tea party was allowed to advance the ball.

Their shinola-storm wouldn’t have worked for them in ’12 either except that Republicans made the mistake of nominating their own shinola-storm.

FloatingRock on December 20, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Fail. Good-bye GOP House in 2014.

RedRedRice on December 20, 2012 at 8:11 PM

How about…NEW LEADERSHIP!!!!

mooseygoosey on December 20, 2012 at 8:11 PM

bluefox on December 20, 2012 at 7:47 PM

If I wanted to listen to an hour of Levin’s show on this topic today, which hour would you recommend?

FloatingRock on December 20, 2012 at 8:04 PM

I would say the first hour, although tonight he’s been on a rant about this fiscal cliff issue. He had Jim Jordan on the phone earlier; can’t remember if it’s the the first or 2nd hour.

P.S. Boehner just issued a statement, bill pulled. He didn’t have the votes!! There is more, but I’m just listening to Levin.

Good for the Conservatives for standing strong!!!

bluefox on December 20, 2012 at 8:11 PM

I have just 4 words to say(Former speaker John Boehner)

logman1 on December 20, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Oh well…Howard Dean and Freedom Works are happy tonight…after all, they both want the same thing…the cliff.

The right and the left join together to screw the rest of us..Great.

Terrye on December 20, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Hello speaker Pelosi. Thanks Demint. Don’t let the door into Heritage hit your nuts on the way in!

Zaggs on December 20, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Cantor says no vote tonight. #fiscalcliff
Retweeted by Allah Pundit

JPeterman on December 20, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Awesome! I hate these secret Obama/Boehner talks anyway. Do it out in the open!!!!!

Boehner has to go. You think he’d stand up on any Gun Control the Dems will be coming out with? No way, he’s ready to give the farm away with this fiscal cliff.

bluefox on December 20, 2012 at 8:14 PM

I’m not familiar with the details of either plan so this is an honest question: do you prefer Plan A over Plan B? Why?

FloatingRock on December 20, 2012 at 8:00 PM

I prefer none. Support only spending cuts and lower taxes. If Dems was to tax the rich, let them own it. If the economy is still sluggish in 2014, they will be voted out in droves.

The notion that we should pass a bill just for PR purposes that goes against our principles is nonsense. It’s time the GOP stands for something.

celticdefender on December 20, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Means they don’t have it. We need to fire Boehner.

Bmore on December 20, 2012 at 8:04 PM

I no longer care. The feds are dead to me. Switching everything to the barter system.

I’m just hangin’ out here ’til QOTD.

cozmo on December 20, 2012 at 8:14 PM

I dearly hope we can weather the massive shinola-storm that’s coming our way.

KingGold on December 20, 2012 at 8:04 PM

What shinola-storm? The MSM? When has the MSM ever been anything other than shinola? They turned up the volume on their shinola in ’08, but did it work for them in ’10? No it did not, not when the tea party was allowed to advance the ball.

Their shinola-storm wouldn’t have worked for them in ’12 either except that Republicans made the mistake of nominating their own shinola-storm.

FloatingRock on December 20, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Oh BS…Gary Johnson could not even manage 1% and you were telling us all that he could win.

Terrye on December 20, 2012 at 8:15 PM

bluefox on December 20, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Thanks, I’ll listen to the first hour or more when it’s available later.

FloatingRock on December 20, 2012 at 8:15 PM

The notion that we should pass a bill just for PR purposes that goes against our principles is nonsense. It’s time the GOP stands for something.

celticdefender on December 20, 2012 at 8:14 PM

I agree!! I’ve heard if you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything.

bluefox on December 20, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Burn! BURRRRRRRRRRRRN!! *laughs*

BigGator5 on December 20, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Boehner must resign immediately. Like, tonight. Like, within the hour. He has single-handedly destroyed this House.

Darin on December 20, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Conservative brattiness cost us the senate – Now it’s going to cost us the house. And you know what happened last time we lost the house.

JFS61 on December 20, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Wrong answer. Try again troll. The GOP position is and was, that the government should not be able to force anyone to violate their religious convictions.

SWalker

Moron. Read what I actually said. What their point was is irrelevant. There was enough truth to what the democrats said that any casual reading of the related process could give someone the impression they were right. This was further vindicated by comments like “legitimate” rape.
However if the demint faction had any balls, you pass plan b and then any casual reading of the material would show any the GOP acted. But alas your ilk one, send a bottle over to speaker Pelosi for your alls effort.

Zaggs on December 20, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Means they don’t have it. We need to fire Boehner.

Bmore on December 20, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Who are you going to replace him with? Who in his right mind would want his job?

Terrye on December 20, 2012 at 8:16 PM

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