Cantor: We have the votes for Plan B

posted at 3:31 pm on December 20, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

It sounds like Speaker Boehner is angling to push the fiscal-cliff onus back onto Senate Democrats and the president before the holidays hit with his Plan-B gambit, especially now in the light that the Senate is taking off until the Thursday after Christmas — which will leave a mere five days to cobble together any type of deal upon their return. The big question, of course, was whether or not the move would be at all worthwhile, since there are plenty of conservatives expressing their vociferous opposition to said plan and getting it through the House is by no means a given.

At a press conference Thursday, however, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor insisted that they have the votes they need and are getting ready to make moves, via Politico:

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor said unequivocally Thursday that Speaker John Boehner’s fiscal cliff fallback plan would pass the lower chamber later in the day — at the same time his party’s leadership was working privately to shore up support.

The so-called Plan B Boehner is pushing would extend tax rates for income below $1 million but force families making over that threshold to pay Clinton-era rates of nearly 40 percent. Late Wednesday night, Republican leaders incorporated a proposal to spare the Pentagon from looming spending cuts and shift the reductions to other agencies.

Cantor, the No. 2 House Republican, said the plan is the “nation’s best option.”

“Senate Democrats should take up these measures immediately,” Cantor said in the Capitol. “And the president has a decision to make, he can support these measures, or be responsible for reckless spending and the largest tax hike in American history.”

If the House does pass their own version of a fiscal-cliff package, then perhaps that will get the Democrats to finally come forward with more spending cuts, or the GOP might at least presumably have better leverage for pinning an over-the-cliff scenario on the Democrats — but of course, the Senate leader is having none of that. Via The Hill:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said Thursday the Senate will not vote on Speaker John Boehner’s (R-Ohio) “Plan B” to extend tax rates for family income below $1 million. …

“We are not taking up any of the things that they’re working on over there now,” Reid told reporters. “It’s very, very, very unfortunate the Republicans have wasted an entire week on a number of pointless political stunts.”

“The bill has no future, if they don’t know it now, tell them what I said,” he added.

“The Senate bill is the only one that will be signed into law. We could protect middle-class families tomorrow,” Reid said. “The Speaker refuses to bring our bill to the floor because it would pass.”

Uhm, is he referring to the Senate bill that raises taxes on families making more than $250,000/year as the only one that can or should pass the House? What is he talking about? We’re debating right now whether Plan B with its rate hikes on millionaires can even pass the House, let alone President Obama’s no-compromising-on-taxes-for-this-guy proposal. Stop the madness:

“If all you do is whack the so-called rich, you only get enough money about a week of government. So let’s be clear about something: he wants to soak everybody. That’s the only way to do it. And that is exactly what he gets if we do nothing. If that wasn’t obvious before this week, it should be perfectly obvious now.“Here we are less than a week before Christmas, and what’s this President doing?

“What’s his quarterback here in the Senate, the Majority Leader doing?

“They’ve been playing Lucy and the Football with the American people for months. They’ve said no to every single proposal that’s been offered to avoid this tax hike — including their own. They’re running out the clock. Moving the goal posts. Sitting on their hands. They aren’t doing anything.

“Well I say ‘Enough’. Enough. The time for games is over.

“This President may want to soak the American people to fund his vision of a social welfare state. But we’re not going to let him do it.


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Change the locks after they leave for Christmas…

PatriotRider on December 20, 2012 at 3:35 PM

Boehner/McConnell are pathetic.

Mr. Arrogant on December 20, 2012 at 3:37 PM

‘Via Politico’, eh? I don’t care to give them traffic, so did they note that Plan B is basically what the Dems proposed months ago?

changer1701 on December 20, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Harry read showed the middle finger and went home.

Recall, the NRA supported this azzhole.

Schadenfreude on December 20, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Reid

Schadenfreude on December 20, 2012 at 3:39 PM

Lets just get on with it! I am sick of this dog and pony show those worthless slugs, both parties, in dc are doing to our nation!

Wonder what the Friday dump will be?
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letget on December 20, 2012 at 3:41 PM

Obama will fruck the middle class, royally.

Fools, he hates you.

Schadenfreude on December 20, 2012 at 3:44 PM

Cantor, the No. 2 House Republican, said the plan is the “nation’s best option.”

Really? Really? There is no better option? Why, I can think of at least 16 trillion of them — and potentially over 220 trillion. Why can’t he?

[And this is the guy some pine for to replace Boehner as Speaker?]

Another in a seemingly infinite number of examples on why we are — and have been — doomed for a long time now.

Hasta La Vista, America …

ShainS on December 20, 2012 at 3:46 PM

Via Twitter

Philip Klein ‏@philipaklein

RT @russellberman: Mick Mulvaney is a no on Boehner bill and suggests entire SC delegation is as well #demint

JPeterman on December 20, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Wonderful Obamaland.

Forward.

Schadenfreude on December 20, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Sweet Fiscal Cliff of Doom, come.

Midas on December 20, 2012 at 3:52 PM

F’em, let Reid and Obama stew on it a while. Boehner should pass it, leave town, and tell them he’s gone until after the New Years.

Tater Salad on December 20, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Plan B is less than ideal, but it seems like the best chance to shift this mess back onto the Dems.

1) Since nobody is doing anything really worthwhile, at least make the Dems own part of this fiasco.

2) Buy more silver and canned goods.

trigon on December 20, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Wonder what the Friday dump will be?
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letget on December 20, 2012 at 3:41 PM

“Video of Obama molesting young boys in the Oval Office.”

The LSM will cheer loudly for his pitch-perfect technique — as he reads a teleprompter for instructions — as well as how sensitive and loving he appears (hey, look, one boy even feinted!).

They’ll invent story lines on how the boys really wanted to be molested, but none can now be contacted owing to back-of-the-head suicides they subsequently committed.

Along with NAMBLA and the ACLU coming to his defense, they’ll rail against Republican and conservative criticisms, claiming they’re all a bunch of homophobic age-ophobes interested only in playing “politics” with such a nuanced issue …

ShainS on December 20, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Next thought:

Whoever knew those Mayan guys were such good accountants so long ago.

trigon on December 20, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Earth to Congress….We already are a social welfare state! 65% of ALL federal spending over the last ten years has been on welfare, entitlements and transfer payments. If this is not a social welfare state, what is?

devolvingtowardsidiocracy on December 20, 2012 at 3:59 PM

devolvingtowardsidiocracy on December 20, 2012 at 3:59 PM

Earth to Congress…. wish you were here!

rsherwd65 on December 20, 2012 at 4:02 PM

This move is sure to lose the House for us. Bravo!

blue13326 on December 20, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Does anyone else ever think of the morning after pill when you hear Plan B?

There is a really good joke in here somewhere having to do with predictable consequences following poor choices followed by an even worse solution.

LetsBfrank on December 20, 2012 at 4:05 PM

All for show.

To please the base before they cave because……..”it’s the best deal we could get.”

DejafreakingVu

PappyD61 on December 20, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Cantor is just another GOPe idiot. LIB.

AH_C on December 20, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Just Do It already. VOTE. Send a Budget to Reid. Send a FU to Obama. In fact send an FU to every unelected proxy the Administration trots out. Just Do It. Produce a reasonable bill that cuts spending and makes permanent the middle class tax cuts – and IGNORE the demands to ‘tax the rich’ – AND gut the AMT and death tax – and shove it across the aisle to the Senate and then shout in front of every camera that the Senate under Harry Reid has failed for nearly FOUR years to carry out one of the few duties required of them by the Constitution. Educate the public, you GOP morons.

rayra on December 20, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Does anyone else ever think of the morning after pill when you hear Plan B?

LetsBfrank on December 20, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Actually, what I think of is Adolph Hitlers Plan B, which was to take a cyanide capsule just in case the bullet didn’t kill him.

SWalker on December 20, 2012 at 4:14 PM

and shout in front of every camera that the Senate under Harry Reid has failed for nearly FOUR years to carry out one of the few duties required of them by the Constitution. Educate the public, you GOP morons.

rayra on December 20, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Amen.

esr1951 on December 20, 2012 at 4:14 PM

The big question, of course, was whether or not the move would be at all worthwhile, since there are plenty of conservatives expressing their vociferous opposition to said plan and getting it through the House is by no means a given.

This isn’t going to win the GOP any more political capital than a Reid plan passed by the Dem Senate. It’s hard to see where it takes the GOP or the country.

The only plan that stands a chance of real entitlement reform and tax increases will pass by a majority of moderates from both parties.

bayam on December 20, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Via Twitter

Mike O’Brien ‏@mpoindc

Ohmy: @TheHill counts 23 firm/lean/likely GOP ‘NO’ votes on Plan B. Boehner could only lose 1 more if no D breaks ranks http://is.gd/aTDjlR
Retweeted by Allah Pundit

JPeterman on December 20, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Brace for Impact.

txhsmom on December 20, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Pretty tough talk from an incontinent old geezer who wears granny panties.

Naturally Curly on December 20, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Leno said it best last night when he said that when you hear of Plan B, we are really getting plans F and U.

Decoski on December 20, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Personally, I like what Cantor and Boehner are doing.

Yes, Plan B may be all for show, but there’s no harm in it. On the other hand, there can be some good. Afterwards, Republicans will have more leverage to blame the Democrats when all the deals fall through and everyone is upset because we’re all paying more taxes and our country is entering a second, deeper recession. At least Republicans will have a basis for claiming they tried. This claim will be important to squishes and low-information voters–the slugs that make up 40% of the electorate now.

There is no perfect solution. Democrats have us over a barrel now because the nation’s citizens have become stupid and the media is so corrupt. This is the best we can do. Holding our breaths and making threats like angry toddlers won’t help.

Burke on December 20, 2012 at 4:34 PM

It sounds like Speaker Boehner is angling to push the fiscal-cliff onus back onto Senate Democrats

The onus always was on the Senate Dems and the Indonesian Dog-Eater, even without this Plan B stupidity, which should be shot down in the House. It’s idiotic.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 20, 2012 at 4:37 PM

Yes, Plan B may be all for show, but there’s no harm in it.

Burke on December 20, 2012 at 4:34 PM

There’s tons of harm in it. Boner and Co. are putting the GOP in alliance with Barky and Reed in bringing the class war forward through the tax code. That’s moronic and wrong.

Where did this “fiscal cliff” come from, anyway? Who thought it up and supported it, to begin with? That will give you your answer as to how stupid “Plan Butthead” is.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 20, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Democrats have us over a barrel now because the nation’s citizens have become stupid and the media is so corrupt. This is the best we can do. Holding our breaths and making threats like angry toddlers won’t help.

Burke on December 20, 2012 at 4:34 PM

No, they do not. John “Bonehead” Boehner is a Marxist pretending to be a Republican. The House controls the purse strings. Boehner could get every single spending cut he asks for if one single penny of spending cuts was what he really wanted. All he has to do, is refuse to allow the “Continuing Budget Resolution” to come to the floor. He does that, and no money gets spend by the US Government, period.

Once the money stops flowing, if Bonehead had the testicular fortitude to play hardball, he could name whatever he wanted and get it just to turn any of the money back on again.

SWalker on December 20, 2012 at 4:50 PM

I pray Cantor is right. Republicans who stomp their feet and vote no on this because there aren’t enough spending cuts or because it offends their principles are damn fools. Is Plan B ideal? Of course not, but this is not a game of fantasy. Without it income, estate, cap gains, amt taxes go zoom zoom zoom. Time to force the Dems hand.

Buy Danish on December 20, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Buy Danish on December 20, 2012 at 5:03 PM

This. It’s about being able to point at the Senate and Obama. Without a bill it’s all talk.

txhsmom on December 20, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Republicans who stomp their feet and vote no on this because there aren’t enough spending cuts or because it offends their principles are damn fools.

Buy Danish on December 20, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Funny. That’s the same exact thing people sais when Boner first made this idiotic deal in order to allow Barky and the dems to continue their insane and un-Constitutional spending earlier in the year.

How did this “fiscal cliff” come into existence, to begin with? People are acting as if it was dropped on us by space aliens. NO. Boner fashioned it in collusion with Barky and the Dems, to raise the debt ceiling and allow the unbudgeted, insane spending to continue unabated. And now he’s holding people hostage to stopping the idiotic deal that HE made for a terrible reason?

This is beyond ridiculous.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 20, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Does anyone else ever think of the morning after pill when you hear Plan B?

There is a really good joke in here somewhere having to do with predictable consequences following poor choices followed by an even worse solution.

LetsBfrank on December 20, 2012 at 4:05 PM
YES!

In fact, I was going to post something about that and read the comments first to make sure it hadn’t been mentioned.

Ironic name if you ask me!

mrsmwp on December 20, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Nothing will stick to these ‘Rats. No amount of maneuvering will do the trick. Boehner may outfox them, but it won’t matter. The ‘Rats will never take the blame.

I’m inclined to agree with SWalker the GOP should only play hardball and make a huge stink about it.

I’ve always been one to want to change the GOP from within, but I now am awaking to the reality of not being able to rely on the GOP leadership to fight for real. I’m ready for a conservative party.

freedomfirst on December 20, 2012 at 5:30 PM

This. It’s about being able to point at the Senate and Obama. Without a bill it’s all talk.

txhsmom on December 20, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Yep.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 20, 2012 at 5:15 PM

What’s Plan C, Champ? Let’s hear it.

Buy Danish on December 20, 2012 at 5:37 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 20, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Keep in mind we have a malignant Narcissist, a vicious, sadistic punk in the White House, who enjoys twisting his knife into the GOP or anyone he sees as “the enemy”. He cares not for the country he is holding hostage. We have to do what we can to weaken him, take the knife away from him.

Buy Danish on December 20, 2012 at 5:43 PM

What’s Plan C, Champ? Let’s hear it.

Buy Danish on December 20, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Pass an extension of the Bush tax rates and go home. Let Hairy Reed and Barky kill it and force the deal that ALL OF THEM (including Boner) had fashioned.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 20, 2012 at 5:53 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 20, 2012 at 5:53 PM

Bush tax cuts only deal with income tax cuts. We also need to fix AMT, estate tax hikes, Cap gains, etc. We need to win P.R. war. Lo info voters want tax hikes on “the rich”. Unfortunately that’s reality. Raising taxes on millionaires but not on others can be sold, particularly since BO has babbled on about millionaires and billionaires for 4 freaking years.

Buy Danish on December 20, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Buy Danish on December 20, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Those would all be part of the extension, obviously.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 20, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Those would all be part of the extension, obviously.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 20, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Pffft. BO has everything riding on raising taxes on the rich. To think he’ll fold and say, “Hey, okay, we’ll keep all Bush Tax cuts and stop my plans to increase Estate taxes and cap gains and everything else because I won” is a crack pipe fantasy. Plan B has a chance to get support from enough Democrats to pass.

Buy Danish on December 20, 2012 at 6:43 PM

No, they do not. John “Bonehead” Boehner is a Marxist pretending to be a Republican. The House controls the purse strings. Boehner could get every single spending cut he asks for if one single penny of spending cuts was what he really wanted. All he has to do, is refuse to allow the “Continuing Budget Resolution” to come to the floor. He does that, and no money gets spend by the US Government, period.

Once the money stops flowing, if Bonehead had the testicular fortitude to play hardball, he could name whatever he wanted and get it just to turn any of the money back on again.

SWalker on December 20, 2012 at 4:50 PM

SWalker, I would personally support that kind of hardball tactic you’re proposing if I thought it would work, even if the shock of cutting off funding caused a great deal of pain to the country and especially to the people directly dependent on those funds. In the long run, it would be worth it.

However, here’s what you might consider. If Boehner proposed cutting off funding, Republicans as a group would immediately be tarred as extreme radicals by the LSM propaganda machine. I saw the government shut down a few years ago. Republicans were excoriated for the “misery” it caused; then the Reublicans caved; and in the end they had to backtrack and start all over again. As a result of that rash snafu (at least as I interpret it, because it was so useless and harmful), the Republicans lost all their political capital and were soundly spanked the next election.

Here’s what I think would happen if Boehner unilaterally declared he was going to “stop spending” if he didn’t get his way. First, you have to understand he would get little support from other Republican Congressional members because those other Republicans would want to be reelected sometime in the future. Without the votes, Boehner might still charge ahead, but all he’d earn for his efforts without a majority are accusations of stupidly.

Burke on December 20, 2012 at 7:14 PM

…present!…pukehead!

KOOLAID2 on December 20, 2012 at 10:37 PM