California eliminates scary public threat: Small-business burger stand

posted at 7:54 pm on December 20, 2012 by Mary Katharine Ham

Git ‘er done, Golden State. It’s already working so well. From the guys at Reason TV, learn in five minutes why people are leaving California:

Tam’s Burger Stand will close in January of 2013 after its owner lost an appeal to the zoning board, which along with police, had decided his lawful business, run by a local family in a low-income neighborhood was a public nuisance. Ugh.

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Gotta love it when a plan comes together.

PA-Cman on December 20, 2012 at 8:02 PM

A public nuisance? From the state that allows buck naked men to stroll down public streets during various parades?

Yeah, living out here in Flyover Land sure does suck.

Bishop on December 20, 2012 at 8:06 PM

The police should POLICING the area.

wukong on December 20, 2012 at 8:06 PM

A business owner shouldn’t have to become an agent of the police to do business. If he is breaking the law by dealing drugs or something, then arrest him. He doesn’t own the block, or control the behavior of the people around him.

sharrukin on December 20, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Lemonade Stand..

Little kids..

BUSTED!!

or

ABORTED!!

It’s a liberal thing..

Electrongod on December 20, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Another instance where we need to let it burn. Come to Toledo, I love small business burgers.

rbj on December 20, 2012 at 8:09 PM

As a geologist I know this is impossible, but please, California, do us all a favor and just fall into the freaking Pacific Ocean already. And take Oregon with you.

Thomas More on December 20, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Will the last TAXPAYER leaving California please turn off the lights?

Resist We Much on December 20, 2012 at 8:12 PM

No need, the govt will put the state in rolling blackouts long before the last taxpayer leaves.

rayra on December 20, 2012 at 8:15 PM

One job at a time.

CW on December 20, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Yeah, living out here in Flyover Land sure does suck.

Bishop on December 20, 2012 at 8:06 PM

We hicks miss … so much.

hawkdriver on December 20, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Will the last TAXPAYER leaving California please turn off the lights?

Resist We Much on December 20, 2012 at 8:12 PM

They’re going to go out automatically somewhere between here and the mandated level of energy utilities have to provide from “renewable” sources at 10 times the cost of the old bad way.

peski on December 20, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Unhinged Lib Arrested After Calling GOP Offices & Threatening: “Back the F**k Off” or “Get a Bullet in Your F**king Head”

A New Jersey man who made threatening phone calls to public officials including Louisiana’s governor and Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann was arrested today. Authorities charged 27-year-old Ronnie McMillian of Hawthorne, N.J., with two counts of transmitting threats to injure another through interstate commerce.

Here’s the message he left Rebuplican Governor Bobby Jindal:

“And you better keep in your f—ing little head, you little maggot—you better keep in your f—ing head that gay people have Second Amendment rights, too, you little [unintelligible]. So you better back the f— off or [begins yelling] every single one of you white [Re]publican parasites are going to get a bullet in your f—ing head.”

If convicted, he faces a maximum potential penalty of five years in prison per count and a fine of up to $250,000. United States Attorney Fishman credited United States Capitol Police Supervisory Special Agent Jason Bel; and special agents of the FBI, under the direction of Special Agent in Charge Michael B Ward, for the investigation leading to the arrest.

Resist We Much on December 20, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Put in a camera to do the cop’s job? OMG, how oppressive this government is. I don’t blame him for closing down his business. He should move away and start somewhere new. Let them deal with another boarded up store front.

Dollayo on December 20, 2012 at 8:25 PM

So a business is supposed to fight crime not the police?

This only makes me believe more that we have to protect ourselves…the police would rather this guy go out of business than to do their jobs and fight crime.

CW on December 20, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Local government can be just as tyrannical, if not more so than the state or feds.

Government needs to have it’s power reduced at all levels. Little irritates me more than conservatives saying “we need to give more power to state and local governments”.

forest on December 20, 2012 at 8:26 PM

We hicks miss … so much.

hawkdriver on December 20, 2012 at 8:19 PM

It’s a San Francisco thing. I just had brunch with a couple who live there, and they said (and I agree) that it’s about OTHER people who want to eat their lunch and keep their food down without having to see some old queen flopping his Johnson around.

John the Libertarian on December 20, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Resist We Much on December 20, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Love it when fuktard libs embrace the 2nd then go right too murder threats.

roy_batty on December 20, 2012 at 8:29 PM

ocal government can be just as tyrannical, if not more so than the state or feds.

Government needs to have it’s power reduced at all levels. Little irritates me more than conservatives saying “we need to give more power to state and local governments”.

forest on December 20, 2012 at 8:26 PM

But it is a fair amount easier to do it locally and if you cannot then you can move. Not quite that way at the federal level.

CW on December 20, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Sow the seeds, reap the crop.

Los Angeles, you set yourselves up for the whirlwind you’re reaping now. Keep electing “progressives” and you’ll keep progressing DOWN the same sad path.

This is not directed at all of El Lay’s denizens. I know that there are many whose voices are drowned out by the over-amplified loudmouth left.

To them I say: You think that your do-good policies will cut some favor with the unsavory elements of whatever stripe — this is your downfall.

You give bad actors an inch, then you’re shocked that they take ten miles.

Keep on chasing rainbows and you’ll find a pot of boiling shit, with yourself in the middle. It is inevitable if you don’t wise up.

hillbillyjim on December 20, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Once again, Kalifornia leads the way! We see there, where Obama is taking the entire U.S. Forward!

tngmv on December 20, 2012 at 8:35 PM

So in actuality the entire neighborhood is a nuisance…shut the whole f*cking thing down.

CW on December 20, 2012 at 8:36 PM

I think his best argument is that he does not attract the gangbangers — they are already there. Plus, him going out of business will not make the problems go away. Why pick on him only? Evict every gangbanger who lives in the area. No? Didn’t think so.

Blake on December 20, 2012 at 8:36 PM

THIS is what the Second Amendment is for.

Warner Todd Huston on December 20, 2012 at 8:37 PM

So in actuality the entire neighborhood is a nuisance…shut the whole f*cking thing down.

CW on December 20, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Yep. Shutting him down only, will do nothing.

Blake on December 20, 2012 at 8:38 PM

What did he not do that he was asked to do? Seems like he did everything to comply except go out of business.

Blake on December 20, 2012 at 8:39 PM

In related news, a Tam’s Burger Stand was opened in Galt’s Gulch this week.

The Reasonable Man on December 20, 2012 at 8:40 PM

So, how many jobs has this particular action by the city eliminated.

Nevermind, there’s always public assistance.

Kill hope, you dumb****s.

hillbillyjim on December 20, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Most of you would NEVER ever stop at that location. It is flooded with gang-members, prostitutes and general scumbags. Cops eat at every other eatery in the area, except that one.

This is not a loss.

I used to work this area. There are other businesses. There’s Church’s, McDonalds, Burger King, a fish market directly across the street, other burger stands, a doughnut shop, etc. In fact there are several entrepreneurs selling tacos, trinkets, flowers, etc from street vendor stands. If this was just about attacking small business the city would go after the hundreds of street vendors and other establishments in the area.

His location is a magnet for the worst of the worst. He probably pissed off whatever gang was protecting him all these years. Gangs have influence in high places in LA. Families in that neighborhood do not frequent that place. No mother sends their kids to that place unless it is to get jumped in to a gang.

Reason.TV fail. Notice they give no background on the other eateries and businesses in that area.

This guy is savvy. Drawing on the sympathetic-libertarians to make himself look good. Seriously, this is one of the worst locations in America. You would not let your dog take a dump there.

Capitalist Hog on December 20, 2012 at 8:40 PM

There are other Tams locations that do not have the problems this location has. If I’m not mistaken, there is one right up the street.

Capitalist Hog on December 20, 2012 at 8:42 PM

If a camera crew hadn’t been there filming, the city counsel members would have been on the phone, talking to each other, sleeping, etc. And no, I’m not joking. They had a decision reversed because the atty submitted a tape of them to the appellate court doing everything but listening to the guy’s zoning request.

Blake on December 20, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Most of you would NEVER ever stop at that location. It is flooded with gang-members, prostitutes and general scumbags. Cops eat at every other eatery in the area, except that one.

This is not a loss.

So, if what you say is true, maybe the cops should have made this their regular eatery for a while, no?

hillbillyjim on December 20, 2012 at 8:44 PM

I’m sick of these posts that talk about the mass exodus from California.

I’ll believe it when I see they don’t have a gazillion electoral votes thus will no longer be a gimme to the Dems in every single presidential election.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 20, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Before you get righteously outraged, anyone ever been to South Central? It’s ain’t Disneyland. That zipcode is a bona fide barrio and if the Latin Kings don’t own it now the Gangster Disciples probably do.

South Central is literally a warzone. Take this story with a huge pinch of salt.

CorporatePiggy on December 20, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Why don’t the police simply do what they are supposed to and set it up as an arrest pit?

pat on December 20, 2012 at 8:47 PM

A successful, law-abiding business is labeled a public nuisance because of a high (co-)incidence of crime in the area, yet public housing projects are given a free pass. Hmm…

steebo77 on December 20, 2012 at 8:47 PM

South Central is literally a warzone. Take this story with a huge pinch of salt.

CorporatePiggy on December 20, 2012 at 8:45 PM

How is that the business owner’s fault?

steebo77 on December 20, 2012 at 8:48 PM

California lights will be kept on by solar subsidies, or so they say. I get calls every month or so from Southern California Edison, telling me about free money from the federal government to make it free for me to install solar panels, which will greatly reduce my electric bills. The last caller told me that I had “solar rights.”

GaltBlvnAtty on December 20, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Judging from the performance of the “Nuisance Abatement Teams” in the past, someone else with political ties to the city government wants that property. In the past, people in the desert of LA county were harassed in the same way to get them to move off of their property. Turns out a massive solar project wanted to buy up that land and the people living on it presented a problem for them acquiring the large contiguous piece of land they needed for the solar project.

My guess is someone who is politically connected to the LA government wants that corner property and they are pushing him out to make him sell it.

crosspatch on December 20, 2012 at 8:51 PM

This guy is savvy. Drawing on the sympathetic-libertarians to make himself look good. Seriously, this is one of the worst locations in America. You would not let your dog take a dump there.

Capitalist Hog on December 20, 2012 at 8:40 PM

You may be totally right, but I don’t see how that changes the point. If crimes are committed there, arrest the criminals. As long as he does nothing illegal, the government shouldn’t interfere with him at all.

Timin203 on December 20, 2012 at 8:54 PM

“we’ve never been robbed in 30 years of business”

i mean c’mon. no wonder the cops shut the joint down. did you guys see some of the passerbys? and its only daytime. you can imagine what comes out at nite.

renalin on December 20, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Why don’t the police simply do what they are supposed to and set it up as an arrest pit?

pat on December 20, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Collective bargaining agreements probably state that they don’t have to if they don’t want to.

steebo77 on December 20, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Someone wants that land — cheap.

KenInIL on December 20, 2012 at 8:56 PM

My guess is someone who is politically connected to the LA government wants that corner property and they are pushing him out to make him sell it.

crosspatch on December 20, 2012 at 8:51 PM

turn off the sound and just pay attention to the surroundings and the types of people loitering.

no one with any sanity wants that spot. just drug dealers.

renalin on December 20, 2012 at 8:58 PM

i mean c’mon. no wonder the cops shut the joint down. did you guys see some of the passerbys? and its only daytime. you can imagine what comes out at nite.

renalin on December 20, 2012 at 8:55 PM

So? Who the hell does the government think it is shutting down any business? If they had criminal charges against the owner, fine, but it doesn’t sound like the owner is doing anything illegal. It’s in a tough neighborhood, that’s where the the criminals hang out. Maybe the cops should start hanging out there and getting the criminals to move along?

Timin203 on December 20, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Capitalist Hog on December 20, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Agreed Hog. Yes, there’s another Tam’s nearby and aren’t there well over 10 in the LA area?

How is that the business owner’s fault?
steebo77 on December 20, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Highly likely he fell out of favor with a local gang for some reason and lost his protection.

This guy is smooth in telling his story about how oppressive big government is shutting down his family establishment which he’d have you believe is some kind of cultural treasure. Maybe he’s really a hard working free market capitalist with a libertarian streak…unlikely.

Smells very fishy – suspect Reason took the bait.

CorporatePiggy on December 20, 2012 at 8:59 PM

turn off the sound and just pay attention to the surroundings and the types of people loitering.

no one with any sanity wants that spot. just drug dealers.

renalin on December 20, 2012 at 8:58 PM

There may be a federally funded reason that land could same day become valuable. Who knows? Either way, the government shouldn’t be shutting down businesses because they disapprove of their clientele.

Timin203 on December 20, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Timin203 on December 20, 2012 at 8:59 PM

look around. ain’t no legit business in sight. do you think the cops are stupid enough to hang around a neighborhood like that?

lets get real kids. easier to wipe it off the face of the map. that way the cops know when they see a group gathered it aint to sing hymns or eat “burgers”

renalin on December 20, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Highly likely he fell out of favor with a local gang for some reason and lost his protection.

….

CorporatePiggy on December 20, 2012 at 8:59 PM

You mean his police protection?

Do you know how stupid you sound?

CW on December 20, 2012 at 9:03 PM

look around. ain’t no legit business in sight. do you think the cops are stupid enough to hang around a neighborhood like that?

lets get real kids. easier to wipe it off the face of the map. that way the cops know when they see a group gathered it aint to sing hymns or eat “burgers”

renalin on December 20, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Maybe you and the idiot below need to get your stories straight.

I used to work this area. There are other businesses. There’s Church’s, McDonalds, Burger King, a fish market directly across the street, other burger stands, a doughnut shop, etc. In fact there are several entrepreneurs selling tacos, trinkets, flowers, etc from street vendor stands. If this was just about attacking small business the city would go after the hundreds of street vendors and other establishments in the area.

Capitalist Hog on December 20, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Two more know it alls….

CW on December 20, 2012 at 9:05 PM

i mean c’mon. no wonder the cops shut the joint down. did you guys see some of the passerbys? and its only daytime. you can imagine what comes out at nite.

renalin on December 20, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Then why don’t local governments shut down all of the businesses in Detroit, Bridgeport, Anacostia, South Side Chicago, South Central, Compton, Oakland, etc?

steebo77 on December 20, 2012 at 9:06 PM

I love you fools who give the city and the police a pass for not doing THEIR effing jobs. You sound like liberals making up excuses.

CW on December 20, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Our form of government has been turned on it’s head. Rightfully, the government exist to SERVE the people and the businesses. But with the socialist concept our government has adopted they have now decided that the business and the people exist to serve the government.

This is basically phase one of totalitarianism.

Axion on December 20, 2012 at 9:06 PM

A couple of years ago, the city was seizing property by imminent domain and paying the owners several million dollars below a fair market price. The city was sued and lost.

Blake on December 20, 2012 at 9:06 PM

I used to work this area.

Capitalist Hog on December 20, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Who was your supplier?

steebo77 on December 20, 2012 at 9:07 PM

i mean c’mon. no wonder the cops shut the joint down. did you guys see some of the passerbys? and its only daytime. you can imagine what comes out at nite.

renalin on December 20, 2012 at 8:55 PM

OMG and they were ….dare I say… blllack.

/

CW on December 20, 2012 at 9:11 PM

He’s done everything they asked. If the gang problem has not abated, it’s because it’s a lapd/city problem – not his.

Blake on December 20, 2012 at 9:12 PM

You mean his police protection?
Do you know how stupid you sound?
CW on December 20, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Protection takes many forms.

He went 30 years in that neighborhood without a burglary (which beggars belief). A lot of it doesn’t stack up at face value.

Funny dichotomy for some ‘conservatives’ though. Are the cops and the local government just rabid random statists ganging up on an honest small businessman, or is the honest small businessman not what he seems?

CorporatePiggy on December 20, 2012 at 9:12 PM

OMG and they were ….dare I say… blllack.

/

CW on December 20, 2012 at 9:11 PM

The area is majority hispanic. By a huge margin. You don’t know jack about LA do you?

CorporatePiggy on December 20, 2012 at 9:13 PM

These guys used to specialize in this sort of thing.

Left Coast Right Mind on December 20, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Yeah, okay, we want businesses to voluntarily comply, and if they don’t, we’ll use force.

John the Libertarian on December 20, 2012 at 9:13 PM

“Our initial goal is voluntary compliance, under no circumstances to we want an adversarial relationship”

And if you don’t “voluntarily” do it…we’ll make you.Hmmm like a liberal and “charity”.

CW on December 20, 2012 at 9:14 PM

The area is majority hispanic. By a huge margin. You don’t know jack about LA do you?

CorporatePiggy on December 20, 2012 at 9:13 PM

neither do you. You were rattling off the names of Chicago — not LA gangs. lol!

Blake on December 20, 2012 at 9:17 PM

The area is majority hispanic. By a huge margin. You don’t know jack about LA do you?

CorporatePiggy on December 20, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Ok I’ll fix it ….

OMG they were…. Hispanic……

Look at you dehumanizing real human beings.

CW on December 20, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Don’t die quietly!
If your business is being driven under, with your last few dollars in the petty cash buy a huge banner and put it outside your store telling all those that drive by that you are being forced out of business because of (pick all that are appropriate):

Jerry Brown
C.A.R.B.
EPA
Franchise Tax Board
Capricious ordinances
Obamacare

When people see more and more businesses disappear and the reason why, they’ll understand (eventually) that their government is their enemy.

kurtzz3 on December 20, 2012 at 9:19 PM

If it is such a gang hangout, why isn’t the city serving gang injunctions on the gang members?

Blake on December 20, 2012 at 9:19 PM

If it is such a gang hangout, why isn’t the city serving gang injunctions on the gang members?

Blake on December 20, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Because they’re afraid of them.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 20, 2012 at 9:21 PM

neither do you. You were rattling off the names of Chicago — not LA gangs. lol!

Blake on December 20, 2012 at 9:17 PM

This is going to rock your world so sit down – they’re a national presence.

CorporatePiggy on December 20, 2012 at 9:22 PM

If it is such a gang hangout, why isn’t the city serving gang injunctions on the gang members?

Blake on December 20, 2012 at 9:19 PM

I think you just made realize why our pigs on this thread call themselves pigs. I have to wonder if they are not cops…cops who would rather NOT do their jobs.

CW on December 20, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Funny dichotomy for some ‘conservatives’ though. Are the cops and the local government just rabid random statists ganging up on an honest small businessman, or is the honest small businessman not what he seems?

CorporatePiggy on December 20, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Cops do no wrong in your world. How many years were you a union member? Do tell.

CW on December 20, 2012 at 9:24 PM

look around. ain’t no legit business in sight. do you think the cops are stupid enough to hang around a neighborhood like that?

lets get real kids. easier to wipe it off the face of the map. that way the cops know when they see a group gathered it aint to sing hymns or eat “burgers”

renalin on December 20, 2012 at 9:02 PM
Maybe you and the idiot below need to get your stories straight.

I used to work this area. There are other businesses. There’s Church’s, McDonalds, Burger King, a fish market directly across the street, other burger stands, a doughnut shop, etc. In fact there are several entrepreneurs selling tacos, trinkets, flowers, etc from street vendor stands. If this was just about attacking small business the city would go after the hundreds of street vendors and other establishments in the area.

Capitalist Hog on December 20, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Did you guys ever get your stories straight?

CW on December 20, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Unhinged Lib Arrested After Calling GOP Offices & Threatening: “Back the F**k Off” or “Get a Bullet in Your F**king Head”

You don’t really think anything will happen to this guy beyond maybe getting an invite to have a beer with Barack , do you?

Gator Country on December 20, 2012 at 9:28 PM

I think you just made realize why our pigs on this thread call themselves pigs. I have to wonder if they are not cops…cops who would rather NOT do their jobs.

CW on December 20, 2012 at 9:23 PM

They’re not cops.

Blake on December 20, 2012 at 9:29 PM

My guess is someone who is politically connected to the LA government wants that corner property and they are pushing him out to make him sell it.

crosspatch on December 20, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Yes, either that or he is not paying fealty to the “right” local politicos, or both.

hillbillyjim on December 20, 2012 at 9:29 PM

PIGGY please do tell me who the scary people are in the video. I need to know who I should fear. Thank you.

CW on December 20, 2012 at 9:29 PM

They’re not cops.

Blake on December 20, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Then what are they?

CW on December 20, 2012 at 9:30 PM

This is going to rock your world so sit down – they’re a national presence.

CorporatePiggy on December 20, 2012 at 9:22 PM

They’re not LA gangs.

Blake on December 20, 2012 at 9:32 PM

look around. ain’t no legit business in sight. do you think the cops are stupid enough to hang around a neighborhood like that?

lets get real kids. easier to wipe it off the face of the map. that way the cops know when they see a group gathered it aint to sing hymns or eat “burgers”

renalin on December 20, 2012 at 9:02 PM

So, surrender is the answer, rather than take back the neighborhood for decent folks who don’t gang-bang and sling shit.

Why not use some of that EZ federal money to fund an infiltration operation and do the right thing, rather than surrender to the basest element, if what you say is true?

Nah, the white flag is popular these days, it seems.

hillbillyjim on December 20, 2012 at 9:32 PM

the Latin Kings

CorporatePiggy on December 20, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Aren’t the Hispanic gangs in LA mostly Sureños, MS-13, and 18th Street?

steebo77 on December 20, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Bullies – Government Liberals are nothing but BULLIES!!

williamg on December 20, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Capitalist Hog on December 20, 2012 at 8:40 PM

So what? Is he breaking a law?

KCB on December 20, 2012 at 9:47 PM

You couldn’t pay me to live in california.

44Magnum on December 20, 2012 at 10:08 PM

So, surrender is the answer, rather than take back the neighborhood for decent folks who don’t gang-bang and sling shit.

Why not use some of that EZ federal money to fund an infiltration operation and do the right thing, rather than surrender to the basest element, if what you say is true?

Nah, the white flag is popular these days, it seems.

hillbillyjim on December 20, 2012 at 9:32 PM

You have no f’n idea about the scope of the problem, sneering fool. The region is hundreds of square miles of such garbage, with corrupted governments, insufficient police, overwhelmed courts and deliberately overcrowded prisons. Just go cruise around GoogleEarth and view the decay. Most of my 20,000sq mile county is rotten and getting worse.

rayra on December 20, 2012 at 10:15 PM

I used to work this area.

Capitalist Hog on December 20, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Who was your supplier?

steebo77 on December 20, 2012 at 9:07 PM

…I was thinking…Who were your Johns?

KOOLAID2 on December 20, 2012 at 10:17 PM

450 gangs and 40000 gangbangers in L.A. city proper.
11,000 gangs and 90,000 gangbangers in L.A. county.

rayra on December 20, 2012 at 10:23 PM

…I was thinking…Who were your Johns?

KOOLAID2 on December 20, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Jeepers, that’s what I thought too.
I figured Miss Piggy up there was a working girl.

justltl on December 20, 2012 at 10:26 PM

A business owner shouldn’t have to become an agent of the police to do business. If he is breaking the law by dealing drugs or something, then arrest him. He doesn’t own the block, or control the behavior of the people around him.

sharrukin on December 20, 2012 at 8:08 PM

That’s how Soviet Union operated and was able to control people, it turned most of them into snitches and one got “points” for snitching on others. If you had beef with a neighbor, for example, you’d snitch on him/her to KGB, whether true or not, and they would take care of the rest. The entire society simply rotted away.

riddick on December 20, 2012 at 10:49 PM

That’s how Soviet Union operated and was able to control people, it turned most of them into snitches and one got “points” for snitching on others. If you had beef with a neighbor, for example, you’d snitch on him/her to KGB, whether true or not, and they would take care of the rest. The entire society simply rotted away.

riddick on December 20, 2012 at 10:49 PM

It collapsed the trust that one individual had for another. That reserve of trust is one of the most essential ingredients in a viable society. Without it, you are a nation of strangers.

sharrukin on December 20, 2012 at 10:52 PM

The state is a perfect example of how diversity and multiculturism can ruin a country. A burger joint with that many bars on its windows in an indicator that the neighborhood is crawling with sociopaths bent or destruction of the people and city in which they live. I say blockade the area and let the jackels kill off each other until it is safe to plow everything under & start afresh.

wepeople on December 20, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Yeah, okay, we want businesses to voluntarily comply, and if they don’t, we’ll use force.

John the Libertarian

That’s a nice restaurant you got there…it’d be a shame if something happened to it.

xblade on December 20, 2012 at 11:49 PM

As my old teacher would say to Mr. Benetatos “Do you have hooks in your @ss?”.

Close the joint down and relocate to a better, more business friendly neighborhood.

Something tells me that the people in government who are harassing him probably are in cahoots with someone who has their eyes on his property. They’ll probably force him out and then a Popeye’s Chicken will open in it’s place.

OxyCon on December 21, 2012 at 12:35 AM

Feeling Minnesota!!

Sherman1864 on December 21, 2012 at 1:08 AM

lets get real kids. easier to wipe it off the face of the map. that way the cops know when they see a group gathered it aint to sing hymns or eat “burgers”

renalin on December 20, 2012 at 9:02 PM

It is so cute when the trolls support each other. Unless the guy is breaking the law, the Gov. should go fish. Next they will be shutting down gun stores like they did in San Fran which did Zero to stop criminals, but made it hard for regular guns stores to do business. Or Lance Thomas, who over a period of several months iced some 15 gang bangers in the course of violent robbery attempts at his Jewelry store. He killed so many that the Police told him that good shooting or not, if he shot one more he would be arrested and tried.

Like Zimmerman.

So he went full internet and moved to Arizona.

Bulletchaser on December 21, 2012 at 1:17 AM

So what? Is he breaking a law?

KCB on December 20, 2012 at 9:47 PM

I bet his money does. Think fast and furious.

A place like this is a gang-den. He has to likely pays dues to _____ just like every vendor and store with a clear revenue stream in the area. Where do you think that money goes? The arming of gangs against PD? Drug buys and distribution? Think.

“Legit” means something different than you might expect in that area. Commerce in that hood is muddy and bloody, literally.

But it is getting better as more corporate money gets spent there.

You can act like a bunch of self-righteous hipsters in gentrified Harlem but you’re missing the point. Figueroa runs parallel to a major freeway. It is an excellent thoroughfare for the city to reroute traffic. But, people are simply afraid to drive it.

The street also leads directly to Staples Center, LA Live and what LA City Council hopes will be a football stadium. None of that will happen with p*sspots like this funding gangs who have a stake in prostitution, drug-sales, human-trafficking and worse.

City of LA was probably feeling cheated on the taxes he was paying. If you can follow that then you get the point.

I am glad to be out of the People’s Republic of Los Angeles.

Capitalist Hog on December 21, 2012 at 2:07 AM

Capitalist Hog on December 21, 2012 at 2:07 AM

You really are full of it.

Blake on December 21, 2012 at 3:55 AM

CorporatePiggy…
Capitalist Hog…

Me thinks some lame concern troll has multiple accounts.

You say no one would eat there and point out the crime, but the who’s fault is that? That is the City of LA. They failed in controlling crime and now they putting someone out of business because of it.

Regardless, the city has no right to do that. Just another step in the country becoming the USSA. Our founding fathers would be ashamed of what we have let this nation become.

Wolftech on December 21, 2012 at 4:19 AM

This is maybe where libertarian theory crashes against the hard shores of reality. I work in that neighborhood. Yes, of course it’s true that if a given business owner is “obeying the law”, then there’s nothing that the city should be able to do about it. But nuisance law goes back before the founding of the Republic, and in the opinion of those who are in the best possible position to know, the Los Angeles Police Department, he is a operating a public nuisance. Operating a public nuisance is not “obeying the law”.

You guys know damn well that if you lived next door to a burger joint, and that burger joint became a focal point of activity for every murderer, rapist, gangbanger, etc., within the surrounding five square mile area, thus severely impairing your family’s ability to enjoy your property in peace and comfort, you would be raising hell and high water with the local police department, planning department, court of law, city, county, state, whatever, until somebody shut the place down. I suspect that many of you can smugly condemn the LAPD, knowing full well that you will never find yourself in a similar circumstance.

Parenthetically, for all of you claiming that “South Central is a war zone” best cordoned off from the rest of society, because of actions taken by the LAPD such as those shown in this video, the crime rate in South Central L.A. and across the city has dropped by double digits annually for almost ten years running, and now approximates what it was during the 1950′s. The vast majority of its citizens are decent, law-abiding folks trying to raise their families, and having a gang-infested, violence-prone “burger joint” in their neighborhood is not helpful.

Incidentally, Tam’s serves sh*tty food to boot!

Progressive Heretic on December 21, 2012 at 6:25 AM

This is not a loss.

Capitalist Hog on December 20, 2012 at 8:40 PM

You are just as much of a tyrant as those cops and politicians. It’s not your choice, it’s not the government choice – it’s that business owners choice. Such attitudes is another reason why the big government establishment republicans have ruined the party that once stood for small government, federalism and individual rights.

MoreLiberty on December 21, 2012 at 6:31 AM

It’s not tyranny…
“Voluntary Compliance”
Sounds so much nicer…

The police come and put the arm on you, and demand you do things that will put you out of business, threaten to pull your business permits and your Certificate of Occupancy, and if you give into their demands, they call it “Voluntary Compliance”.

How can it be voluntary, when the business owner is obviously under duress?

Haiku Guy on December 21, 2012 at 7:28 AM

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