Quotes of the day

posted at 10:11 pm on December 19, 2012 by Allahpundit

President Obama’s vow Wednesday to include gun control in his State of the Union address marks the first time in more than a decade a president will highlight the issue in his agenda-setting speech…

“I will be talking about them in my State of the Union, and we will be working with interested members of Congress to try to get something done,” he said at a press conference Wednesday.

The State of the Union is usually one of the president’s most important speeches of the year, in which he lays out his priorities and policy agenda.

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Sunday night, President Obama said he would use whatever powers his office holds to address this violence. He should begin immediately by sending a legislative package to Capitol Hill that the new Congress can consider and vote on as its first order of business when it convenes in January. The package should have three main elements:

First, it should prohibit the manufacture and sale of the military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips that have been used in too many mass shootings, including in Newtown. The previous ban on assault weapons expired in 2004. While President George W. Bush supported reinstating it, Congress never acted. The time has plainly come. Banning these weapons and ammunition does not mean there will never be another mass shooting. But these weapons were designed for mass killing, not hunting or self-defense. They do not belong in our communities.

Second, the president’s legislative package should fix the broken background check system. Currently, nearly half of all gun sales in the U.S. are conducted without a background check. Criminals, the mentally ill, minors and domestic abusers are all prohibited from purchasing guns, but they all can do so as easily as attending a gun show or going online. The check takes only a few seconds, and it doesn’t infringe on anyone’s rights. That’s why polls show that more than 80% of gun owners support a change in law to require background checks for all gun sales…

Third, the president’s legislative package should make gun trafficking a felony. Gun rights advocates agree that penalties for illegal use and possession of guns should be stiffened — and so should penalties on those who are engaged in gun trafficking.

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The data in social science are rarely this clear. They strongly suggest that we have so much more gun violence than other countries because we have far more permissive laws than others regarding the sale and possession of guns. With 5 percent of the world’s population, the United States has 50 percent of the guns.

There is clear evidence that tightening laws — even in highly individualistic countries with long traditions of gun ownership — can reduce gun violence. In Australia, after a 1996 ban on all automatic and semiautomatic weapons — a real ban, not like the one we enacted in 1994 with 600-plus exceptions — gun-related homicides dropped 59 percent over the next decade. The rate of suicide by firearm plummeted 65 percent. (Almost 20,000 Americans die each year using guns to commit suicide — a method that is much more successful than other forms of suicide.)

There will always be evil or disturbed people. And they might be influenced by popular culture. But how is government going to identify the darkest thoughts in people’s minds before they have taken any action? Certainly those who urge that government be modest in its reach would not want government to monitor thoughts, curb free expression, and ban the sale of information and entertainment.

Instead, why not have government do something much simpler and that has proven successful: limit access to guns. And not another toothless ban, riddled with exceptions, which the gun lobby would use to “prove” that such bans don’t reduce violence.

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Was the Ban Effective at Reducing Gun Violence In General?

That is unclear. According to a 2004 study from the University of Pennsylvania, the number of people killed in mass shootings did go down generally during the years that the ban was in effect. The exception was 1999, the year that the shooting at Columbine High School happened.

The number of mass shootings per year has doubled since the ban expired, but the researchers say it’s difficult to discern whether there was a cause-and-effect relationship.

The study found that gun crimes involving assault weapons declined by as much as 72 percent in the localities examined after the ban went into effect. However, the authors note that these types of weapons were only used in 2 to 8 percent of the gun crimes committed prior to the ban, so the larger impact on gun violence was minimal.

“We cannot clearly credit the ban with any of the nation’s recent drop in gun violence,” the study concluded.

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Indeed, the federal assault-weapons ban was allowed to expire in 2004 in part because it didn’t accomplish the goal the anti-gun lobby was pursuing, which — and I put this only slightly uncharitably — was to ban the sale of scary-looking guns. Despite the fact that rifles simpliciter were used in only 3 percent of homicides last year, not only did the law take the bizarre tack of banning specific model names such as the “Mac 10” — the equivalent of making marijuana illegal only if it’s referred to as “sweet Ganja” — but, in addition, many of the features such laws ban do not straightforwardly increase lethality. Many writers have noted that even high-capacity magazines are a mixed bag for would-be mass murderers. They make reloading less frequently necessary, but they are also more likely to jam — as James Holmes’s did in the theater in Aurora.

The fixation on the expiration of the ban as the source of our ills fits into the broader pathology with which liberals talk about gun control — namely, as if there weren’t any of it. Connecticut has robust gun-control laws, as does, for instance, Chicago, whose recent rash of gun murders must have Al Capone resting peacefully in his grave. Constructing new restrictions that would (a) have prevented Newtown and (b) be consistent with the Second Amendment is not nearly as easy as many on the left seem to assume. Indeed, few seem to understand, or admit, that the kind of gun-control legislation that could put a serious dent in gun violence would look a lot like the Volstead Act. How’d that work out?

Of course, it isn’t just the assault-weapons talk that catches liberals in leave of the facts. You’ll have also seen non sequiturs about the “gun-show loophole” or the scourge of handguns used in violent crimes, or ignorance of or elision of the meaning of words like “semi-automatic” and “machine gun,” none of which are straightforwardly related to the facts as we know them in Newtown. Which brings us to the third liberal virtue the current debate is wanting.

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Others are suggesting a de-facto ban, accomplished either through a huge tax, or a ban on ammunition. Oh, I’ve also seen calls to limit the amount of ammunition people can buy, but I don’t think those people have thought this through. For starters, the number of bullets used by a typical rampage shooter is about what a target shooter or hunter might go through in an afternoon or two of range practice. And most gun homicides are not rampage shootings; they have one or two victims, and a correspondingly small number of cartridges expended. Moreover, even a very strict per-purchase limit would permit people to accumulate ammunition over time.

No, the people who want to tax guns at 17,000%, or ban ammunition, or make cartridges cost $2,000 apiece, are the only ones hinting at something that might make a real dent in America’s unusually high rate of gun homicide. Except for one thing: you can’t do an end-run around an enumerated right with some sort of semantic game. Chief Justice John Roberts is not Rumplestiltskin; he is not bound by the universe to disappear if you can only find the correct secret word.

You cannot accomplish back-door censorship by taxing at 100% all profits of any news corporation named after a “carnivorous mammal of the dog family with a pointed muzzle and bushy tail, proverbial for its cunning.” You cannot curtail the right to protest by requiring instant background checks and a 90-day waiting period on anyone who wants to assemble with 500 of their friends in a public area. Nor can you restrict the supply of ink used to print Korans. If you pass a law like that, the Supreme Court will say “nice try, guys” and void all the painstakingly constructed verbal origami that was supposed to make civil liberties infringement look like an innocent exercise of the taxing power.

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Goldberg cites evidence from Adam Winkler, a law professor at UCLA, that concealed-carry permit holders actually commit crimes at a lower rate than the general population.

The General Accountability Office recently found that the number of concealed weapon permits in America has surged to approximately 8 million.

According to anti-gun advocates, such an increase in guns would cause a cause a corresponding increase in gun-related violence or crime. In fact, the opposite is true. The FBI reported this year that violent crime rates in the U.S. are reaching historic lows.

This comes in spite of the fact that the federal assault weapons ban expired in 2004. Supporters of the ban (not including anti-gun groups who thought it didn’t go far enough in the first place) claimed that gun crime would skyrocket when the ban was lifted. That wasn’t true at all.

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Only one public policy has ever been shown to reduce the death rate from such crimes: concealed-carry laws…

Someone planning to commit a single murder in a concealed-carry state only has to weigh the odds of one person being armed. But a criminal planning to commit murder in a public place has to worry that anyone in the entire area might have a gun.

You will notice that most multiple-victim shootings occur in “gun-free zones” — even within states that have concealed-carry laws: public schools, churches, Sikh temples, post offices, the movie theater where James Holmes committed mass murder, and the Portland, Ore., mall where a nut starting gunning down shoppers a few weeks ago.

Guns were banned in all these places. Mass killers may be crazy, but they’re not stupid.

***

“I haven’t heard anything actually from the Republican Party, and you just wonder this long after a mass killing like that—little six- and seven-year- olds—that there’s not a single Republican in America in elected office that’s not going to step up and say something. I think it’s time to talk guys, women. One way or the other: where do you stand on this issue? Where do you stand on gun safety? Where do you stand on our culture of violence? Where do you stand on mental health? Where do you stand? I want to hear it!”

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Me Bishop?

SparkPlug on December 19, 2012 at 10:12 PM

…well!…at least it’s not a middle finger in the picture!

KOOLAID2 on December 19, 2012 at 10:13 PM

You Sparky!

KOOLAID2 on December 19, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Nice first, Spark

Paul-Cincy on December 19, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Me EG..
Obama…

Still a partisan dickhead..

And Opportunist..

Electrongod on December 19, 2012 at 10:14 PM

President Obama’s vow Wednesday to include gun control in his State of the Union address marks the first time in more than a decade a president will highlight the issue in his agenda-setting speech…

…JugEars and the MSM…will continue the ‘shiny’ campaign!

KOOLAID2 on December 19, 2012 at 10:15 PM

“I will be talking about them in my State of the Union, and we will be working with interested members of Congress to try to get something done,” he said at a press conference Wednesday.

Hopefully an audience member can call him out on mistruths with a well-placed, “You lie!”.

Paul-Cincy on December 19, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Can we bring back trollcott?

cozmo on December 19, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Me EG..
Obama…

Still a partisan d!ckhead..

And Opportunist..

*This may come through again… unfiltered*

Electrongod on December 19, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Me Bishop?

SparkPlug on December 19, 2012 at 10:12 PM

…how do you feel!
…noooo…not there!

KOOLAID2 on December 19, 2012 at 10:16 PM

B to the 9th power

bazil9 on December 19, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Gun control..

Hand it over to Mooch…

She knows how to control an appetite..

Electrongod on December 19, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Can we bring back trollcott?

cozmo on December 19, 2012 at 10:15 PM

…the first day after the election…would not have been soon enough!

KOOLAID2 on December 19, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Fast and Furious…!!!

Benghazi…!!!

Seven Percent Solution on December 19, 2012 at 10:18 PM

soon, gun ownership will be a matter of embarrassment, like cigarette smoking.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:18 PM

—that there’s not a single Republican in America in elected office that’s not going to step up and say something. I think it’s time to talk guys, women.

“Abort a Lib..
Save a life.”

There…

I spoke up..

Electrongod on December 19, 2012 at 10:19 PM

B to the 9th power

bazil9 on December 19, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Hey, if you see “predator” tell him I’m looking for him. I must run out to grab some wine in the storage barn, brb.

JPeterman on December 19, 2012 at 10:19 PM

It`s gonna be a rough four years. It`s approaching 1861 levels of discord.

ThePrez on December 19, 2012 at 10:20 PM

B to the 9th power

bazil9 on December 19, 2012 at 10:16 PM

…but…but I love her …times 10!

KOOLAID2 on December 19, 2012 at 10:20 PM

soon, gun ownership will be a matter of embarrassment, like cigarette smoking.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Step on my property with a lit fag….

You will be wishing of ownership..

Electrongod on December 19, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Third, the president’s legislative package should make gun trafficking a felony.

Can it be retroactive and apply to Eric Holder & Co?

Resist We Much on December 19, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Step on my property with a lit fag….

You will be wishing of ownership..

Electrongod on December 19, 2012 at 10:21 PM

they’re both a terrible habit that endangers your health and others’.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:24 PM

soon, gun ownership will be a matter of embarrassment, like cigarette smoking.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:18 PM

lol

Resist We Much on December 19, 2012 at 10:24 PM

soon, gun ownership will be a matter of embarrassment, like cigarette smoking.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Cool..I can be double shamed. *blows a smoke ring*
Watch yourself..I help pay for Fl medicaid
for all your babies by multiple daddies by my evil
addiction. You love my tax $ though don’t ya?

btw..I am not embarrassed..and unlike my smoking
being noticeable..my guns won’t be. hahaha..

bazil9 on December 19, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Here’s another anecdote of an armed citizen stopping / killing a criminal shooter, for that moron claiming it doesn’t happen -
http://www.ammoland.com/2009/07/19/gun-owner-saves-lives-in-the-richmond-va-golden-market-shooting/

In fact here’s an entire site chock full of such real-world incidents, for such ignorant little darlings.
http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/

rayra on December 19, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Hey, if you see “predator” tell him I’m looking for him. I must run out to grab some wine in the storage barn, brb.

JPeterman on December 19, 2012 at 10:19 PM

:)
Okay.
I am not here often and haven’t seen him myself but -will do J.

bazil9 on December 19, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Kinda’ hard to have a trollcott when the trolls leave themselves so open to mockery for their stupidity.

cozmo on December 19, 2012 at 10:27 PM

With 5 percent of the world’s population, the United States has 50 percent of the guns.

And hence the Freest of all nations…

mnjg on December 19, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Gun Killings via Rifle, during Fed AWB and since

1995 – 637
1996 – 561
1997 – 638
1998 – 548
1999 – 400
2000 – 396
2001 – 386
2002 – 486
2003 – 392
2004 – 403
2005 – 442
2006 – 438
2007 – 453
2008 – 380
2009 – 351
2010 – 358
2011 – 323

right from the FBI – http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr

rayra on December 19, 2012 at 10:28 PM

they’re both a terrible habit that endangers your health and others’.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:24 PM

My gun is not dangerous and doesn’t have a habit..
It just sits in a lock box…

It must have a partner to even be considered dangerous..

But it’s partner is a law biding, responsible person..

Nothing terrible about that..

Electrongod on December 19, 2012 at 10:29 PM

2011 – 323

right from the FBI – http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr

rayra on December 19, 2012 at 10:28 PM

almost every day somebody gets killed by a rifle, which means we need more rifles.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:29 PM

It`s gonna be a rough four years. It`s approaching 1861 levels of discord.

ThePrez on December 19, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Yep

gophergirl on December 19, 2012 at 10:30 PM

they’re both a terrible habit that endangers your health and others’.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:24 PM

LOL-idiot.

endangers your health and others’.

I am inviting you over..let me endanger you.
*exhale is sus face*

bazil9 on December 19, 2012 at 10:30 PM

it’s just obvious that we Americans possess too many firearms — almost 90 per 100 people, far more than anybody else in the whole world. And obviously it’s too easy for us to obtain these automatic weapons of human destruction — this should also be obvious by now

No, it’s not “obvious that Americans possess too many firearms”, 10 people out of 100 doesn’t have one. And No, it not obvious that it is easy to obtain an automatic weapon. In fact, it is every difficult to get one. This idiot should know what he is talking about before he tries to lecture anyone about guns.

Dollayo on December 19, 2012 at 10:30 PM

“Abort a Lib..
Save a life.”

There…

I spoke up..

Electrongod on December 19, 2012 at 10:19 PM

They already are, to the tune of over 1 million per year. And thy want to see OUR kids murdered too, by taking our means of defense from us.

rayra on December 19, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Electrongod on December 19, 2012 at 10:29 PM

as they say in the theater, if a gun is visible anywhere on the stage, that gun will go off before the play ends. if you keep guns at home, you’re courting disaster.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:31 PM

almost every day somebody gets killed by a rifle, which means we need more rifles.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Every day a woman bound for hell has her unborn child murdered.

We need more murder.

tom daschle concerned on December 19, 2012 at 10:32 PM

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canopfor on December 19, 2012 at 10:29 PM

canopfor on December 19, 2012 at 10:32 PM

they’re both a terrible habit that endangers your health and others’.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:24 PM

You know what endangers the health of more people? Your “Just Do Something” laws!

In 2010, the homicide rate in the United States fell to 4.2%. This rate was either the lowest in four decades, according to the Holder Department of Justice, or the lowest rate since 1909 according to long term statistics, including those from the FBI, the Census, and state depositories.

The year 2011 marked the fifth straight year of a decline in violent crime, which includes murder, rape, robbery and assault, and witnessed a 4% decrease from the previous year, according to the FBI’s Annual Uniform Crime Report. In addition, property crime, covering burglary, larceny and motor vehicle theft, edged down by just 0.8 percent, the smallest decrease in three years. Nevertheless, that marked the ninth consecutive annual drop in property crimes.

Per FBI records, both violent crime and property crime peaked in the early 1990s. Since peaking in 1992, violent crime has fallen by 38% while property crime has dropped by 30.6% from its high in 1991. Furthermore, the number of violent crimes has decreased by 12% since 2006, which was the last year marked with an increase, and property crime has dropped by 14% since 2002, the last year that it increased.

What is quite significant about these numbers, especially in the context of the current conversation about gun and “assault weapons,” is that the Assault Weapons Ban expired in 2004. Bill Clinton, Dianne Feinstein, Chuck Schumer, Carolyn McCarthy and Joe Biden would have killed to have a murder rate as low DURING the 10 years of the existence of the AWB as it has been in the 7 years AFTER ITS EXPIRATION.

Perversely, do you know what the original AWB a/k/a The Prohibition On Certain Guns With Cosmetic Changes That Make Them Look Skeery And Are Painted Skeery (And Racist!) Black Act of 1994 did do?

It mainstreamed military-style (LOOKS like, but doesn’t FUNCTION like), AR-15-patterned rifles and even got the notoriously reactionary hunting fraternity to embrace these “modern sporting rifles.”

Absoooooluuuuutely brilliant!

Resist We Much on December 19, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Gun Killings via Rifle, during Fed AWB and since

1995 – 637
1996 – 561
1997 – 638
1998 – 548
1999 – 400
2000 – 396
2001 – 386
2002 – 486
2003 – 392
2004 – 403
2005 – 442
2006 – 438
2007 – 453
2008 – 380
2009 – 351
2010 – 358
2011 – 323

right from the FBI – http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr

rayra on December 19, 2012 at 10:28 PM

So during the Assault Weapon Ban from 1995 to mid 2004, the average death by rifle was 474 per year… After the expiration of the Assault Weapon ban in mid 2004 the average death by rifle was 392 per year… Facts and Truth, the main enemy of communists…

mnjg on December 19, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Kinda’ hard to have a trollcott when the trolls leave themselves so open to mockery for their stupidity.

cozmo on December 19, 2012 at 10:27 PM

I try…I really, really do.

a capella on December 19, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Any announcement of the Inter Agency Task Force on Mental Illness in America…or is it really just about guns. I guess the EO defining “assault weapons” will settle this matter…

d1carter on December 19, 2012 at 10:33 PM

So jugears thinks he has a mandate to abuse the peeps… we’ll see about that.

platypus on December 19, 2012 at 10:34 PM

The aftermath of the Sandy Hook murders has confirmed that if I’m ever in a crisis – please don’t let me be with any liberals. They will be no help at all. Talk about reactionary and not thinking.

gophergirl on December 19, 2012 at 10:34 PM

I try…I really, really do.

a capella on December 19, 2012 at 10:33 PM

I don’t blame you for succumbing.

This troll is way too easy. I will leave it to y’all and wait for a nutball worthy of my talents.

cozmo on December 19, 2012 at 10:35 PM

as they say in the theater, if a gun is visible anywhere on the stage, that gun will go off before the play ends. if you keep guns at home, you’re courting disaster.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Ok…
???

*I guess I need to go to more plays*

Electrongod on December 19, 2012 at 10:35 PM

sesquipedalian

Be a good sport and auto immolate. It did wonders for Viet nam.

tom daschle concerned on December 19, 2012 at 10:35 PM

almost every day somebody gets killed by a rifle, which means we need more rifles.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Low IQ communist scum, everyday hundreds of people get killed by drunk drivers, we need more drunk drivers… You see how easy it is to expose your utter stupidity and low IQ…

mnjg on December 19, 2012 at 10:35 PM

almost every day somebody gets killed by a rifle, which means we need more rifles.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:29 PM

In a nation with 330,000,000 people. You’re too stupid to even realize what a moron that statement reveals you to be.

twice as many people killed by hands and feet. 5x more by knives. Our per capita murder rate is 107th in the world, with the 106 nations worse than us all having more stringent firearms laws.

/trolls serve a limited positive purpose. Their incessant bullshit makes a ready platform for factual refutations. Just don’t waste your time arguing with them. Mock them instead. But counter their bullshit.

rayra on December 19, 2012 at 10:36 PM

You know what endangers the health of more people? Your “Just Do Something” laws!

Resist We Much on December 19, 2012 at 10:32 PM

i agree. the ones i hate the most are those conjured up by grandstanding politicians and named after some poor victim.

we still need much tighter gun laws.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Joe Scarborough said Wednesday on Morning Joe he is still waiting for Republicans in office to publicly comment on the Newtown school shooting.

I’m still waiting to hear a Republican that’s elected to step out and say something like Joe Manchin said. I haven’t heard it yet,” he said

Joe Manchin: ‘I’m so proud of the NRA’

RedRobin145 on December 19, 2012 at 10:37 PM

In 2010, the homicide rate in the United States fell to 4.2%. This rate was either the lowest in four decades, according to the Holder Department of Justice, or the lowest rate since 1909 according to long term statistics, including those from the FBI, the Census, and state depositories.

Resist We Much on December 19, 2012 at 10:32 PM

No facts are going to matter for the communist scums…

mnjg on December 19, 2012 at 10:38 PM

soon, gun ownership will be a matter of embarrassment, like cigarette smoking.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:18 PM

I’m not embarrassed at all.

Seriously, do you actually believe all that drivel you post here.
I can’t believe that you’re ‘that’ stupid.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 19, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Your unserious Pretender in Chief

Schadenfreude on December 19, 2012 at 10:39 PM

I’m not embarrassed at all.

Seriously, do you actually believe all that drivel you post here.
I can’t believe that you’re ‘that’ stupid.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 19, 2012 at 10:38 PM

I will consider it a badge of honor when I get my first one. Nothing like exercising your rights :)

gophergirl on December 19, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Low IQ communist scum, everyday hundreds of people get killed by drunk drivers, we need more drunk drivers… You see how easy it is to expose your utter stupidity and low IQ…

mnjg on December 19, 2012 at 10:35 PM

so we need less drunk drivers then? and less guns? or more drunk drivers and more guns…? help me out here.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:40 PM

fewer, i mean.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:41 PM

In a nation with 330,000,000 people. You’re too stupid to even realize what a moron that statement reveals you to be.

twice as many people killed by hands and feet. 5x more by knives. Our per capita murder rate is 107th in the world, with the 106 nations worse than us all having more stringent firearms laws.

/trolls serve a limited positive purpose. Their incessant bullshit makes a ready platform for factual refutations. Just don’t waste your time arguing with them. Mock them instead. But counter their bullshit.

rayra on December 19, 2012 at 10:36 PM

And the most violent cities in America are totally controlled by liberals, the most gun crimes are committed by the democrat voters of these cities, and these cities have the most stringent guns laws… However for communist scums like “seque” all these facts do not matter, just lie and ignore all facts… their only goal is to have a total ban on guns and hence total tyranny… They can dream of course…

mnjg on December 19, 2012 at 10:41 PM

soon, gun ownership will be a matter of embarrassment, like cigarette smoking.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:18 PM

In all cases you’re the butt.

Schadenfreude on December 19, 2012 at 10:41 PM

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canopfor on December 19, 2012 at 10:41 PM

i agree. the ones i hate the most are those conjured up by grandstanding politicians and named after some poor victim.

we still need much tighter gun laws.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Hey godless reprobate, maybe we can name laws after people who murder their unborn children, in the name of privacy…

May you and everyone and everything you love suffer immeasurably in the coming years.

May eternal hell comfort your restless bones.

tom daschle concerned on December 19, 2012 at 10:41 PM

…but…but I love her …times 10!

KOOLAID2 on December 19, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Kool luv by infinity~

bazil9 on December 19, 2012 at 10:42 PM

gophergirl on December 19, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Oh, I’m feeling honored-but it’s also a huge responsibility. It’s a responsibility that I’m taking very seriously.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 19, 2012 at 10:42 PM

so we need less drunk drivers then? and less guns? or more drunk drivers and more guns…? help me out here.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Low IQ communist scum, you are too stupid to understand anything…
The most violent cities in America are totally controlled by liberals, the most gun crimes are committed by the democrat voters of these cities, and these cities have the most stringent guns laws… However for communist scums like you all these facts do not matter, just lie and ignore all facts… your only goal is to have a total ban on guns and hence total tyranny… They can dream of course…

mnjg on December 19, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Liberal Emotions are Playing the American`s/America as puppets!

Good F`n Gawd!

canopfor on December 19, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Ten hours of Intro by The Xx

I can’t get my days and nights straight…

tom daschle concerned on December 19, 2012 at 10:44 PM

The Springfield 1903 rifle was a military weapon. Still lots of them around. A serious caliber capable of major carnage. How in the world will they handle that one? Y’now, I heaven’t heard or read one of these idiots who knows anything about calibers, ballistics, mechanisms or even understands the present laws. They keep talking about loopholes at gun shows.

a capella on December 19, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Meanwhile,Religion steps into it too!!

Religious Leaders Push Congregants on Gun Control, Sensing a Watershed Moment
By LAURIE GOODSTEIN
Published: December 19, 2012
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/us/religious-leaders-push-congregants-on-gun-control.html?partner=socialflow&smid=tw-nytmetro&_r=1&

canopfor on December 19, 2012 at 10:46 PM

They keep talking about loopholes at gun shows.

a capella on December 19, 2012 at 10:45 PM

That is libtardspeak for face to face transactions.

FK all the libtards. relegate them all to urban hellholes and let them auto-immolate.

I’m all out of care and concern for them.

tom daschle concerned on December 19, 2012 at 10:47 PM

In a country of 300+ million, it seems inevitable to have a complete wacko, intent on mass murder, every few years.

In my view, MORE guns = MORE guns in the hands of “non-wackos”. (It’s a math thing.)

Unlike the usual liberal law-making, mistakes here will equal more people killed. (Of course, they’ll never have to answer for being wrong–’cause they never do.)

RedCrow on December 19, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Hey godless reprobate, maybe we can name laws after people who murder their unborn children, in the name of privacy…

May you and everyone and everything you love suffer immeasurably in the coming years.

May eternal hell comfort your restless bones.

tom daschle concerned on December 19, 2012 at 10:41 PM

when you say things like that, you make the baby jeebus cry.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Liberal Emotions are Playing the American`s/America as puppets!

Good F`n Gawd!

canopfor on December 19, 2012 at 10:44 PM

!!..guess who the master of puppets is?

Shout out to C Munford.

sesquipedalian -your falling faster-obey your master.

bazil9 on December 19, 2012 at 10:47 PM

so we need less drunk drivers then? and less guns? or more drunk drivers and more guns…? help me out here.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:40 PM

We need less alcohol…
Less guns…
Less 18 wheelers…
Less cars and trucks…
Less jetliners..
Less bombs…
Less knives…
Less boxcutters…

or maybe..
We need less violence..

*The inanimate objects listed above are not violent.*

They do require someone with a purpose..

Electrongod on December 19, 2012 at 10:47 PM

soon, gun ownership will be a matter of embarrassment, like cigarette smoking.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:18 PM

I once said the same thing about being liberal, so I guess we will both have to be disappointed.

Bishop on December 19, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Another Democrat some-how gets converted….hmmm….

Pro-gun Sen. Bob Casey says he now backs restrictions – @phillydotcom

44 mins ago from http://www.philly.com by editor
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http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20121219_Sen__Casey_changes_stance_on_gun_laws.html

canopfor on December 19, 2012 at 10:48 PM

bazil9 on December 19, 2012 at 10:42 PM

By the way. You know Amazon has a box model “b9?” You know how many b9′s I have in my garage? You know the bottom of my deodorant is stamped “b4″? You know how many things in this HOUSE ARE MARKED B SOMETHING?

Axe on December 19, 2012 at 10:49 PM

when you say things like that, you make the baby jeebus cry.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:47 PM

What a classless F—!

Scumbag, go somewhere else.

RedCrow on December 19, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Is Dear Leader still focused like a laser on jobs…?

d1carter on December 19, 2012 at 10:52 PM

The most violent cities in America are totally controlled by liberals, the most gun crimes are committed by the democrat voters of these cities, and these cities have the most stringent guns laws…

mnjg on December 19, 2012 at 10:43 PM

for the 1023rd time, urban criminals get their guns from flyover country, where gun laws are lax and dealers are happy to sell guns to anyone. it’s flyover country that supplies the guns to our cities.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:52 PM

B to the 9th power

bazil9 on December 19, 2012 at 10:16 PM

that equals B x B x B x B x B x B x B x B x B

A huge number.

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SparkPlug on December 19, 2012 at 10:52 PM

What a classless F—!

Scumbag, go somewhere else.

RedCrow on December 19, 2012 at 10:50 PM

no, the other cheek.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:53 PM

you make the baby jeebus cry.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Who is that? One of your 6 kids with an unidentified daddy?
A baby I pay medicaid for with my smoking habit?

bazil9 on December 19, 2012 at 10:53 PM

when you say things like that, you make the baby jeebus cry.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Hey luciferian, guess what? He is eternal, so not only do you express your ignorance in hatred, and ultimately your unregenerate hell bound soul, but you exalt Him.

You can’t help it. And I love that.

tom daschle concerned on December 19, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Nice first, Spark

Paul-Cincy on December 19, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Thanks I sneaked in under the radar. Tin Foil hat helped deflect the radar beams.

SparkPlug on December 19, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Is Dear Leader still focused like a laser on jobs…?

d1carter on December 19, 2012 at 10:52 PM

His laser was set to Kill…

And Obama isn’t an inanimate object..

Bad combination..

Electrongod on December 19, 2012 at 10:54 PM

bazil9 on December 19, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Haven’t heard that one in forever.

Great tune.

How about this one? (Later, but just as good, IMO.)

RedCrow on December 19, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Politicians being Politicians…of course they want more Gun laws. Of all the times I am scared of D.C., the worst was the first time I bought a rifle in NY (.22) and waited for that phone call to end. Because I knew I was being 1984′d and there was no reason it shouldn’t be approved – but I used to be a database guru and know how databases get fouled.

It’s time to run that gauntlet again, hopefully with less stress here in TX.

Who is John Galt on December 19, 2012 at 10:54 PM

tom daschle concerned on December 19, 2012 at 10:53 PM

He’s not worth it.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 19, 2012 at 10:54 PM

KOOLAID2 on December 19, 2012 at 10:13 PM

The most I have in a row is 1. Even Scrumpy has me beat with 9.

Maybe you have more i’m sure.

SparkPlug on December 19, 2012 at 10:55 PM

RedCrow on December 19, 2012 at 10:50 PM

It’s all she’s got. Notice she doesn’t want to get into any technical or legal issues which might impact the conversation. When libs talk about wanting to have a meaningful dialogue,….this is what it amounts to. Thowing crap through the fan blades.

a capella on December 19, 2012 at 10:55 PM

I like the idea of being able to sue the community if they ban guns and yet fail to protect you. OWN IT.

John the Libertarian on December 19, 2012 at 10:55 PM

for the 1023rd time, urban criminals get their guns from flyover country, where gun laws are lax and dealers are happy to sell guns to anyone. it’s flyover country that supplies the guns to our cities.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:52 PM

ROFL

The dealers sell guns according to the applicable laws.

But yeah, all those criminals who leave the city, buy guns, and then head back to the city to murder and steal only do so because they are able to actually buy a gun somewhere.

Bishop on December 19, 2012 at 10:56 PM

for the 1023rd time, urban criminals get their guns from flyover country, where gun laws are lax and dealers are happy to sell guns to anyone. it’s flyover country that supplies the guns to our cities.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Interesting..

I got my gun from a reputable dealer here in the states…

Why would someone get a gun from a “flyover country”?

What is their motive?

Electrongod on December 19, 2012 at 10:56 PM

it’s flyover country that supplies the guns to our cities.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Idiot, you can’t buy a handgun with an out-of-state license anywhere in the U.S.

Try again. Or better yet, go away.

Who is John Galt on December 19, 2012 at 10:56 PM

soon, gun ownership will be a matter of embarrassment, like cigarette smoking.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Then Obama and Biden will show up unprotected.

Why are their lives more significant than yours?

Schadenfreude on December 19, 2012 at 10:56 PM

One of my favorite newer Christmas songs

Take a walk

gophergirl on December 19, 2012 at 10:56 PM

no, the other cheek.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 10:53 PM

…got fresh batteries in your rubber toy…did yah?

KOOLAID2 on December 19, 2012 at 10:56 PM

You can’t help it. And I love that.

tom daschle concerned on December 19, 2012 at 10:53 PM

That dumbass will find out soon enough.
(God will forgive me for my smiling, at this time.)

RedCrow on December 19, 2012 at 10:57 PM

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