Quotes of the day

posted at 10:11 pm on December 19, 2012 by Allahpundit

President Obama’s vow Wednesday to include gun control in his State of the Union address marks the first time in more than a decade a president will highlight the issue in his agenda-setting speech…

“I will be talking about them in my State of the Union, and we will be working with interested members of Congress to try to get something done,” he said at a press conference Wednesday.

The State of the Union is usually one of the president’s most important speeches of the year, in which he lays out his priorities and policy agenda.

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Sunday night, President Obama said he would use whatever powers his office holds to address this violence. He should begin immediately by sending a legislative package to Capitol Hill that the new Congress can consider and vote on as its first order of business when it convenes in January. The package should have three main elements:

First, it should prohibit the manufacture and sale of the military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips that have been used in too many mass shootings, including in Newtown. The previous ban on assault weapons expired in 2004. While President George W. Bush supported reinstating it, Congress never acted. The time has plainly come. Banning these weapons and ammunition does not mean there will never be another mass shooting. But these weapons were designed for mass killing, not hunting or self-defense. They do not belong in our communities.

Second, the president’s legislative package should fix the broken background check system. Currently, nearly half of all gun sales in the U.S. are conducted without a background check. Criminals, the mentally ill, minors and domestic abusers are all prohibited from purchasing guns, but they all can do so as easily as attending a gun show or going online. The check takes only a few seconds, and it doesn’t infringe on anyone’s rights. That’s why polls show that more than 80% of gun owners support a change in law to require background checks for all gun sales…

Third, the president’s legislative package should make gun trafficking a felony. Gun rights advocates agree that penalties for illegal use and possession of guns should be stiffened — and so should penalties on those who are engaged in gun trafficking.

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The data in social science are rarely this clear. They strongly suggest that we have so much more gun violence than other countries because we have far more permissive laws than others regarding the sale and possession of guns. With 5 percent of the world’s population, the United States has 50 percent of the guns.

There is clear evidence that tightening laws — even in highly individualistic countries with long traditions of gun ownership — can reduce gun violence. In Australia, after a 1996 ban on all automatic and semiautomatic weapons — a real ban, not like the one we enacted in 1994 with 600-plus exceptions — gun-related homicides dropped 59 percent over the next decade. The rate of suicide by firearm plummeted 65 percent. (Almost 20,000 Americans die each year using guns to commit suicide — a method that is much more successful than other forms of suicide.)

There will always be evil or disturbed people. And they might be influenced by popular culture. But how is government going to identify the darkest thoughts in people’s minds before they have taken any action? Certainly those who urge that government be modest in its reach would not want government to monitor thoughts, curb free expression, and ban the sale of information and entertainment.

Instead, why not have government do something much simpler and that has proven successful: limit access to guns. And not another toothless ban, riddled with exceptions, which the gun lobby would use to “prove” that such bans don’t reduce violence.

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Was the Ban Effective at Reducing Gun Violence In General?

That is unclear. According to a 2004 study from the University of Pennsylvania, the number of people killed in mass shootings did go down generally during the years that the ban was in effect. The exception was 1999, the year that the shooting at Columbine High School happened.

The number of mass shootings per year has doubled since the ban expired, but the researchers say it’s difficult to discern whether there was a cause-and-effect relationship.

The study found that gun crimes involving assault weapons declined by as much as 72 percent in the localities examined after the ban went into effect. However, the authors note that these types of weapons were only used in 2 to 8 percent of the gun crimes committed prior to the ban, so the larger impact on gun violence was minimal.

“We cannot clearly credit the ban with any of the nation’s recent drop in gun violence,” the study concluded.

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Indeed, the federal assault-weapons ban was allowed to expire in 2004 in part because it didn’t accomplish the goal the anti-gun lobby was pursuing, which — and I put this only slightly uncharitably — was to ban the sale of scary-looking guns. Despite the fact that rifles simpliciter were used in only 3 percent of homicides last year, not only did the law take the bizarre tack of banning specific model names such as the “Mac 10” — the equivalent of making marijuana illegal only if it’s referred to as “sweet Ganja” — but, in addition, many of the features such laws ban do not straightforwardly increase lethality. Many writers have noted that even high-capacity magazines are a mixed bag for would-be mass murderers. They make reloading less frequently necessary, but they are also more likely to jam — as James Holmes’s did in the theater in Aurora.

The fixation on the expiration of the ban as the source of our ills fits into the broader pathology with which liberals talk about gun control — namely, as if there weren’t any of it. Connecticut has robust gun-control laws, as does, for instance, Chicago, whose recent rash of gun murders must have Al Capone resting peacefully in his grave. Constructing new restrictions that would (a) have prevented Newtown and (b) be consistent with the Second Amendment is not nearly as easy as many on the left seem to assume. Indeed, few seem to understand, or admit, that the kind of gun-control legislation that could put a serious dent in gun violence would look a lot like the Volstead Act. How’d that work out?

Of course, it isn’t just the assault-weapons talk that catches liberals in leave of the facts. You’ll have also seen non sequiturs about the “gun-show loophole” or the scourge of handguns used in violent crimes, or ignorance of or elision of the meaning of words like “semi-automatic” and “machine gun,” none of which are straightforwardly related to the facts as we know them in Newtown. Which brings us to the third liberal virtue the current debate is wanting.

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Others are suggesting a de-facto ban, accomplished either through a huge tax, or a ban on ammunition. Oh, I’ve also seen calls to limit the amount of ammunition people can buy, but I don’t think those people have thought this through. For starters, the number of bullets used by a typical rampage shooter is about what a target shooter or hunter might go through in an afternoon or two of range practice. And most gun homicides are not rampage shootings; they have one or two victims, and a correspondingly small number of cartridges expended. Moreover, even a very strict per-purchase limit would permit people to accumulate ammunition over time.

No, the people who want to tax guns at 17,000%, or ban ammunition, or make cartridges cost $2,000 apiece, are the only ones hinting at something that might make a real dent in America’s unusually high rate of gun homicide. Except for one thing: you can’t do an end-run around an enumerated right with some sort of semantic game. Chief Justice John Roberts is not Rumplestiltskin; he is not bound by the universe to disappear if you can only find the correct secret word.

You cannot accomplish back-door censorship by taxing at 100% all profits of any news corporation named after a “carnivorous mammal of the dog family with a pointed muzzle and bushy tail, proverbial for its cunning.” You cannot curtail the right to protest by requiring instant background checks and a 90-day waiting period on anyone who wants to assemble with 500 of their friends in a public area. Nor can you restrict the supply of ink used to print Korans. If you pass a law like that, the Supreme Court will say “nice try, guys” and void all the painstakingly constructed verbal origami that was supposed to make civil liberties infringement look like an innocent exercise of the taxing power.

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Goldberg cites evidence from Adam Winkler, a law professor at UCLA, that concealed-carry permit holders actually commit crimes at a lower rate than the general population.

The General Accountability Office recently found that the number of concealed weapon permits in America has surged to approximately 8 million.

According to anti-gun advocates, such an increase in guns would cause a cause a corresponding increase in gun-related violence or crime. In fact, the opposite is true. The FBI reported this year that violent crime rates in the U.S. are reaching historic lows.

This comes in spite of the fact that the federal assault weapons ban expired in 2004. Supporters of the ban (not including anti-gun groups who thought it didn’t go far enough in the first place) claimed that gun crime would skyrocket when the ban was lifted. That wasn’t true at all.

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Only one public policy has ever been shown to reduce the death rate from such crimes: concealed-carry laws…

Someone planning to commit a single murder in a concealed-carry state only has to weigh the odds of one person being armed. But a criminal planning to commit murder in a public place has to worry that anyone in the entire area might have a gun.

You will notice that most multiple-victim shootings occur in “gun-free zones” — even within states that have concealed-carry laws: public schools, churches, Sikh temples, post offices, the movie theater where James Holmes committed mass murder, and the Portland, Ore., mall where a nut starting gunning down shoppers a few weeks ago.

Guns were banned in all these places. Mass killers may be crazy, but they’re not stupid.

***

“I haven’t heard anything actually from the Republican Party, and you just wonder this long after a mass killing like that—little six- and seven-year- olds—that there’s not a single Republican in America in elected office that’s not going to step up and say something. I think it’s time to talk guys, women. One way or the other: where do you stand on this issue? Where do you stand on gun safety? Where do you stand on our culture of violence? Where do you stand on mental health? Where do you stand? I want to hear it!”

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canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 6:46 AM

nothing to see here, move along…gun control is the squirrel of the day

cmsinaz on December 20, 2012 at 6:54 AM

SparkPlug on December 20, 2012 at 6:53 AM

Yep. I still say she fell out from shock, because Bubba actually spent the night at home.

kingsjester on December 20, 2012 at 6:55 AM

********* Oh Sh*t **********

Sam Donaldson
Busted for DUI
12/19/2012 10:12 AM PST BY TMZ STAFF
************************************

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canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 6:56 AM

morning canopfor :)

cmsinaz on December 20, 2012 at 6:18 AM

cmsinaz:Good Morning CMS:)

canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 6:59 AM

Sam Donaldson
Busted for DUI

Toupees hardest hit.

I wonder if Sam lectured the cop?: “Just a minute Mr. Officer….”

viking01 on December 20, 2012 at 7:00 AM

Putin says Russia recognizes need for change in Syria, repeats call for dialogue: http://apne.ws/VRRRIj – VW

https://twitter.com/AP

canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 6:52 AM

i.e., Putin licks his finger, sticks it up, checks the wind, and then does the Russian thing. :)

Axe on December 20, 2012 at 7:00 AM

kingsjester on December 20, 2012 at 6:50 AM

spot on KJ

cmsinaz on December 20, 2012 at 7:00 AM

canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 6:47 AM

Hello, I heard you loud and clear commander.

SparkPlug on December 20, 2012 at 6:49 AM

SparkPlug:Lol:)

canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 7:02 AM

canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 6:46 AM

They are like two year olds. (If I cover my eyes, you can’t see me!) If they don’t talk about it, it never happened.

Night Owl on December 20, 2012 at 6:51 AM

Night Owl:Yup,I read a tweet,person said,MSM,is now PRAVDA:)

canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 7:04 AM

*sigh*

Headlines.

Fierce debate after Newtown school shootings: Where was God?

Read the snip. Not reading the article.

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2012/12/19/fierce-debate-after-newtown-school-shootings-where-was-god/

Axe on December 20, 2012 at 7:04 AM

Sam Donaldson DUI.

H/T canopfor news wire.

we need to ban steering wheels because drunk people can t control them and people end up getting killed.

SparkPlug on December 20, 2012 at 7:06 AM

canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 6:44 AM

Hillary has a history of lying and abusing power.

SparkPlug on December 20, 2012 at 6:53 AM

SparkPlug:

You mean,like when they found the missing FBI Files in a spare room in the WH!:)

canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 7:06 AM

Axe on December 20, 2012 at 7:00 AM

heh

cmsinaz on December 20, 2012 at 7:08 AM

You mean,like when they found the missing FBI Files in a spare room in the WH!:)

canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 7:06 AM

“I don’t recall …”

Jabberwock on December 20, 2012 at 7:09 AM

Fierce debate after Newtown school shootings: Where was God?

Probably cleaning his guns in case Benedict Roberts, the Supremes, the Regime and Just-Us try to pull a Kelo on Heaven.

viking01 on December 20, 2012 at 7:10 AM

Hillary has a history of lying and abusing power.

SparkPlug on December 20, 2012 at 6:53 AM

Fort Marcy Park and Arkancide solve a lot of the Clintoon’s problems.

viking01 on December 20, 2012 at 7:12 AM

canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 6:52 AM

i.e., Putin licks his finger, sticks it up, checks the wind, and then does the Russian thing. :)

Axe on December 20, 2012 at 7:00 AM

Axe:

I bet it has something to do with Sryian Opposition,painting,
targets on Russians in Syria!:)

Licky finger….yup!

canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 7:13 AM

Axe on December 20, 2012 at 7:04 AM

Saw the “enlightened” ones who are a god unto themselves. Not responding. It’s like putting a hat on a mule. The mule doesn’t like it, and it sho’n'uff doesn’t improve his looks.

kingsjester on December 20, 2012 at 7:14 AM

canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 7:06 AM

“I don’t recall …”

Jabberwock on December 20, 2012 at 7:09 AM

Jabberwock:Good one,I think HilRod,set a record on that one!:)

canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 7:15 AM

It is impossible to affirm that Christ is, or was, Incarnate in what happened, and we need not feel the burden of
saying that. But it is “not impossible” to say – to believe – to hope – to affirm – that Christ is Incarnate in that
hometown today:
• Grieving among its shocked and grieving,
• Giving comfort to those who doubt comfort will ever return,
• Challenging all of us to do what has to be done to make our society less violent, particularly for our
children,

Happy Nomad on December 20, 2012 at 7:15 AM

You mean,like when they found the missing FBI Files in a spare room in the WH!:)

canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 7:06 AM

Yeah. Coincidentally right after the statute of limitations expired.

Plus: oh look here is Vince fosters suicide note in this briefcase which was empty just moments ago but now it has this torn up note in it but the signature is missing because we didn’t have time to forge it.

SparkPlug on December 20, 2012 at 7:17 AM

Fort Marcy Park and Arkancide solve a lot of the Clintoon’s problems.

viking01 on December 20, 2012 at 7:12 AM

Let’s not forget Ron Brown. I’m not suggesting anything but the Clinton’s have a remarkable streak of having people go room temp before scandals get beyond a certain point.

Happy Nomad on December 20, 2012 at 7:18 AM

viking01 on December 20, 2012 at 7:12 AM

Lol. Arkancide.

SparkPlug on December 20, 2012 at 7:19 AM

But she remembered to say “I can’t recall” so her memory was fine.

SparkPlug on December 20, 2012 at 7:21 AM

Night Owl:Yup,I read a tweet,person said,MSM,is now PRAVDA:)

canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 7:04 AM

I think PRAVDA might be a little more “fair and balanced”.

Night Owl on December 20, 2012 at 7:22 AM

Fort Marcy Park and Arkancide solve a lot of the Clintoon’s problems.

viking01 on December 20, 2012 at 7:12 AM

Let’s not forget Ron Brown. I’m not suggesting anything but the Clinton’s have a remarkable streak of having people go room temp before scandals get beyond a certain point.

Happy Nomad on December 20, 2012 at 7:18 AM

Not to mention the conveniently late Jim McDougal (of the Whitewater scam) who was singing like a canary while his wife clammed up and faced contempt of court because she apparently knew what was good for her.

viking01 on December 20, 2012 at 7:22 AM

But she remembered to say “I can’t recall” so her memory was fine.

SparkPlug on December 20, 2012 at 7:21 AM

I’m not so sure about that. Maybe it is PTSD from the sniper fire when she went to Bosnia.

Happy Nomad on December 20, 2012 at 7:23 AM

Marxist Kenyans are good for two things

spreading the wealth and eating dogs

Slade73 on December 20, 2012 at 7:24 AM

the new Total Recall was worse than an Obama Slurpee in a ditch speech

Slade73 on December 20, 2012 at 7:25 AM


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canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 7:27 AM

Jug eared Kenyans are bad for business but 52% of the country voted for gay marriage

Slade73 on December 20, 2012 at 7:27 AM

Oh, c’mon, y’all. Hillary’s not eeevil. (But, where she spits grass never grows again.):)

kingsjester on December 20, 2012 at 7:27 AM

Jug eared Kenyans golf more than Jack Nicklaus

Slade73 on December 20, 2012 at 7:30 AM

Oh, c’mon, y’all. Hillary’s not eeevil. (But, where she spits grass never grows again.):)

kingsjester on December 20, 2012 at 7:27 AM

Hey, I saw that episode the other morning. (Judge Vinegar Joe Johnson of Hooterville.)

viking01 on December 20, 2012 at 7:33 AM

Lol kj
:)

cmsinaz on December 20, 2012 at 7:36 AM

viking01 on December 20, 2012 at 7:33 AM

I heard the great Red Skelton toss out that line, as an aside to his audience while talking about his wife. LOL!

kingsjester on December 20, 2012 at 7:36 AM

Sam Donaldson DUI.

H/T canopfor news wire.

we need to ban steering wheels because drunk people can t control them and people end up getting killed.

SparkPlug on December 20, 2012 at 7:06 AM

SparkPlug:

Wait a tic,I thought car owners were murdering Mother earth!

Crap,me now confused!(sarc):)

canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 7:37 AM

Ugh,the Hi-Jacking of the Narrative!

Reuters Top News ‏@Reuters

Special Report: The Unequal State of America – Lean times for the “undeserving poor” http://reut.rs/UazGRd

canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 7:39 AM

My take.

kingsjester on December 20, 2012 at 6:32 AM

Well done KJ.

bazil9 on December 20, 2012 at 7:39 AM

North American GOES SAT IMAGERY(It UpDates)

GOES EAST:

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canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 7:34 AM

Brought to you by the USA in partnership with the new North Korean weather satellite. /sarc

Night Owl on December 20, 2012 at 7:39 AM

Oh, c’mon, y’all. Hillary’s not eeevil. (But, where she spits grass never grows again.):)

kingsjester on December 20, 2012 at 7:27 AM

LoLz

bazil9 on December 20, 2012 at 7:41 AM

Oh, c’mon, y’all. Hillary’s not eeevil. (But, where she spits grass never grows again.):)

kingsjester on December 20, 2012 at 7:27 AM

kingsjester:)

Thats it,I’m calling…..

..EPA Attack Watch!

canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 7:42 AM

bazil9 on December 20, 2012 at 7:39 AM

Thank you. Dr. K’s remarks got me thinking, and one hing just led to another…as usual.:)

kingsjester on December 20, 2012 at 7:42 AM

Great post today, KJ. Linking it out far and wide. Thank you.

Naturally Curly on December 20, 2012 at 7:43 AM

kingsjester on December 20, 2012 at 7:36 AM

Earlier in the week MeTV had Mr. Ziffel (guardian of our own beloved Arnold Ziffel) repeating that very line about the judge the visiting Mr. Drysdale would face where the two things Judge Vinegar Joe Johson hates most are bankers and those who interrupt his fishing.

viking01 on December 20, 2012 at 7:48 AM

Naturally Curly on December 20, 2012 at 7:43 AM

Thsnk you. Unlike our Trolls, I always cite my sources. :)

kingsjester on December 20, 2012 at 7:48 AM

canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 7:34 AM

Brought to you by the USA in partnership with the new North Korean weather satellite. /sarc

Night Owl on December 20, 2012 at 7:39 AM

Night Owl:

Lol,…that mess is getting near the Great Lakes and is causing
KAOS,were going to get…8-12″!:)

canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 7:49 AM

Barack Obama eats Japanese cows and Indonesian dogs

Slade73 on December 20, 2012 at 7:50 AM

Blizzard 2012…..Lovely…just before Christmas!

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canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 7:50 AM

oh snap! the world ends tomorrow. Hope you have John Cusak on call

Slade73 on December 20, 2012 at 7:51 AM

Night Owl:

Lol,…that mess is getting near the Great Lakes and is causing
KAOS,were going to get…8-12″!:)

canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 7:49 AM

I get the lake effect snow from Lake Erie, but I heard we won’t be having a white Christmas this year. In what area of Canada do you live?

Night Owl on December 20, 2012 at 7:55 AM

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canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 7:59 AM

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canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 8:01 AM

The Peoples Republic of America is moving forward. Take away their guns, redistribute their wealth and enforce their socialist health care system. Thank you enlightened voters, you really stuck it to us this time . . . now live with it you fools.

rplat on December 20, 2012 at 8:04 AM

canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 7:49 AM

I get the lake effect snow from Lake Erie, but I heard we won’t be having a white Christmas this year. In what area of Canada do you live?

Night Owl on December 20, 2012 at 7:55 AM

Night Owl:Our Sister city is Sault Ste.Marie Michigan,we share the same City name:)
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canopfor on December 20, 2012 at 8:05 AM

kingsjester on December 20, 2012 at 7:42 AM

I read this article the other day and posted it in another thread which talked about confiscation from law enforcement’s perspective. The money lines for me were “We didn’t sign up to engage Americans as enemy combatants”. “The answer would be F*%K NO all the way up the chain of command.”

Guns are more than just a way of life for some. When you get into the south and deep south, it’s an ancestral thing. At least it is for me. If Obama really tried to enforce confiscation, it wouldn’t end well.

TxAnn56 on December 20, 2012 at 8:07 AM

kingsjester on December 20, 2012 at 7:42 AM

:)
I’m not the biggest Dr. K fan
but he/you are spot on with that mental health analysis
of Barry.
Also-the SS & IRS + weapon stock piling..should send a chill
down everyone’s spine.
I hear so often..no, it would never happen here..
I use to say..nooo..that/this would never happen
here in the US but I was wrong.
I am only close to 40 and I don’t even recognize
my country anymore. Rod Serling times.

bazil9 on December 20, 2012 at 8:13 AM

TxAnn56 on December 20, 2012 at 8:07 AM

Not to mention that during the Great Depression many southern and heartland United States citizens used those guns to put food on the table instead of rock soup and wish sandwiches.

Various friends who grew up in small towns have mentioned how during the Great Depression and and in better times their fellow students would put their rifles in the back of the classroom during the school day so that those would be available for hunting after school and from hunting in the mornings before school. They could hang their game outside the building(s) knowing that in those American pre-ghetto-ocracy days no one would take it.

viking01 on December 20, 2012 at 8:19 AM

TxAnn56 on December 20, 2012 at 8:07 AM

From your link:

The question was raised to me: If Obama is against gun violence, why did he allow thousands of guns to “walk” into the hands of Mexican drug gangs, knowing they would be turned against U.S. law enforcement officers? (Don’t hold your breath waiting for Obama to shed a tear for Brian Terry…)

I wonder if any of our esteemed media will ask this question.

Night Owl on December 20, 2012 at 8:26 AM

TxAnn56 on December 20, 2012 at 8:07 AM

Interesting article.

“All my contact in law enforcement are in Southern U.S. states. Opinions may be very different in Northern or Eastern cities such as Chicago, New York or New Jersey.

Nevertheless, even if opinions are different in other cities and states, it is clear to me that law enforcement in Southern states will NOT comply with gun confiscation directives issued by Obama.”

I’m not so sure the NE LEO’s would have the same-Eff No, up the chain of command response.
Barry and his congregation think of him as the 2nd coming of Lincoln..
shaping up well.

bazil9 on December 20, 2012 at 8:32 AM

Confiscation is the main reason I haven’t gotten a CCP. We wear ours in the open if needed. Too many predators in the mountains around here, thanks dept of Interior. Taking our weapons will be the last straw for the country since the Chicoms have said we need to have our weapons removed by the govt.

Kissmygrits on December 20, 2012 at 9:57 AM

Lefty Norman Lear accidentally stumbled onto a logical thought when via Archie Bunker suggested that the way to prevent hijackings is to give every passenger a gun as they’re boarding the plane. Then see if anyone tries to hijack it…

viking01 on December 20, 2012 at 6:48 AM

There was a time in America when someone could carry their guns onto a plane without any problems at all. Long guns would get stashed in the coat closet at the front (because they wouldn’t fit in the overhead bins); and pistols stayed with your carry-ons..under the seat or in the overhead.

Then, hijacking as a hobby became popular…so the natural solution was to disarm anyone who could have helped stop a hijacking. /s/

Somehow, I can’t see 9/11 ending the same if the old ways were still in effect.

Solaratov on December 20, 2012 at 12:21 PM

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