Piers Morgan to gun-rights advocate: “You’re an unbelievably stupid man, aren’t you?”

posted at 7:41 pm on December 19, 2012 by Allahpundit

Via News Busters, the media id unleashed. Your companion reading for this clip is Byron York’s piece about cable-news sanctimony over gun control this week, and not just from the prime-time commentators either. Says York:

Why such open advocacy? What seems to have happened is that some journalists have assumed that since everyone is horrified by what happened in Newtown, everyone should also be united on what should be done about it, and that what should be done is the imposition of more stringent gun control measures. Guests who disagree can be in for a very public scolding.

I think it’s less them wanting people to be united than enjoying a temporary license to yell at the sort of people they wish they could yell at every day. Under normal circumstances, you can’t be as big of a jackhole to your guests as Morgan is here; “professionalism” requires some basic measure of civility. But with the public grieving over 20 children shot dead, you’re momentarily free to be as big of a jackhole as you want in the name of “passion” and outrage over what happened. A big part of the Do Something impulse comes from the guilt and impotence people naturally feel over having failed to protect those kids. One way to temper those feelings is to endorse broad gun-control measures, no matter how many innocent gun owners would be affected by them and how few would-be rampage killers would be deterred. The angrier you are, the more aggressive the policy response that you endorse, the more you supposedly care. Another way is to scream at or, in extreme cases, even threaten gun-rights advocates. We can’t kill Adam Lanza but maybe we can at least intimidate the sort of people who’d defend his right to carry a gun. Even though no one’s defending Adam Lanza’s right to carry a gun.

Anyway, three polls for you this afternoon. The one that’s getting attention is CNN’s because it’s the one that’s most useful to the left. And yet it’s still not very useful:

The number of Americans who favor major restrictions or an outright ban has typically hovered just under the 50% mark in recent years; now that number is just over 50%. According to the poll 52% say they favor major restrictions on guns or making all guns illegal. That’s a five point rise from a CNN survey conducted in early August, following the mass shooting in July at a movie theater in suburban Denver, Colorado that left 12 dead, and shootings two weeks later at a Sikh temple in suburban Milwaukee, Wisconsin, where six people were killed. The five point rise is within the poll’s sampling error…

The survey indicates the expected partisan divide on gun control. Nearly eight in ten Democrats say they favor major restrictions on owning guns or an outright ban. That number drops to 42% among independents and 31% among Republicans. There’s also a gender gap, with 41% of men saying say support major restrictions or an outright ban, with that number jumping to 62% among women.

Four days after one of the most horrendous crimes in modern American history, involving the most sympathetic victims imaginable, gun-control advocates can muster only the slimmest majority for major regulations — within the margin of error — and nothing close to those numbers among independents and Republicans. (The most interesting number from the poll, showing 62% support for banning “semi-automatic assault guns,” is going nowhere legislatively.) And as Obama and congressional Democrats know full well, even those weak numbers will begin to fade along with the news coverage of Sandy Hook. He needs to act fast. Meanwhile, over at Gallup, the public’s priorities already lie elsewhere:

Not only does banning semiautomatics trail far behind increased spending on mental health as a solution, but the number of those who think having school officials carry would be at least “somewhat effective” is actually slightly higher than the number who say the same about a ban. (Only 36 percent of independents support the ban. As with the CNN poll, all the public-opinion heavy lifting for gun control is being done by Democrats.) Rasmussen asked a question similar to Gallup’s — which of these options would be most effective in preventing mass shootings? — and once again better mental-health treatments trumped gun control, 48/27. Makes me wonder if all the talk about gun-grabbing lately is, at least in some parts, a sly ploy to convince fiscal conservatives that spending more on mental health is the lesser of two evils vis-a-vis regulating guns. In Gallup’s poll, just 35 percent of Republicans wanted the government to spend more on treating mental illness but that was still nine points higher than those who wanted to ban semiautomatics as a solution.

Oh well. A determined agenda will not be deterred, public support or no. (See also, e.g., ObamaCare.) First up: A ban on high-capacity magazines. Will that stop the next Lanza? Nah, probably not. Oh, and in related news, there’s suddenly a run on guns at major retailers.


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Cabelas was a zoo today, it looked like Black Friday, but they still have PMAG’s believe it or not.

M1A 20 rounder mags are a different story, unless you want to buy the SA overpricers at $60 you are out of luck. The CMI mags are non existent now.

Bishop on December 19, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Actually had a local news story tonight about the spike. Local owners were saying that the surge after Obama, and now this, was making it difficult to keep themselves stocked. It wasn’t just the guns, but the “accessories.”

I’m guessing “high capacity” “accessories.” :)

I wouldn’t know. I only worn swords.

Axe on December 19, 2012 at 8:35 PM

It’s more than tiring to listen to or read the pious pontifications of ill-educated celebrities unfamiliar with our nation’s culture and history. Just because they have a presumably cultivated accent, they should not be considered authorities on American law, the Constitution, and history. More often than not, they merely babble PC-approved talking points with clear enunciation and a supercilious raised eyebrow.

onlineanalyst on December 19, 2012 at 8:31 PM

You’d flip to see the things posted on my sister’s FB page. She’s Canadian, as are most of her friends. The only thing that stayed my hand was arguing with the heartless ghoulish liberal trolls here at HA.

Liam on December 19, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Maybe it’s time for another difference between conservatives & liberals:
If a conservative has a mental illness, he takes steps to manage it.
If a liberal has a mental illness, he celebrates it.

Maybe there are better distinctions. Just my initial thoughts.

22044 on December 19, 2012 at 8:25 PM

That’s going into my personal ‘net archive. QFT.

MelonCollie on December 19, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Can’t she make her point without being so shrill?

BoxHead1 on December 19, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Leftists and women are such weasels and bondage lovers.

Schadenfreude on December 19, 2012 at 8:17 PM

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THIS woman thinks that ‘gun control’ means getting a good sight picture.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 19, 2012 at 8:33 PM

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Also, keeping six shots inside a six inch circle, at fifty feet.

Your do your husband proud. Now that’s a WOMAN … : )

listens2glenn on December 19, 2012 at 8:40 PM

I guess if those doors are made like a vault, it would work.

He didn’t have too much trouble shooting his way in through the outside doors.

listens2glenn on December 19, 2012 at 8:34 PM

I think he broke a window, actually.

No armor is sure, except on an M1 tank. But doors armored with steel, ceramic, and Kevlar might have a chance. It’s just an idea, a possible buyer of time for the kids until police arrive.

My main wish is something that liberals will fight tooth and nail: Properly-trained school staff carrying firearms.

Liam on December 19, 2012 at 8:40 PM

I’d like seeing classroom closets be made into panic rooms complete with armor on the doors that can be locked. It wouldn’t cost a lot, but liberals would argue that the money could be better spent on raises for the teachers so they could afford higher union dues.

Liam on December 19, 2012 at 8:25 PM

That’s the best idea for school security yet, in terms of effectiveness and cost. We can’t build entire shools like bunkers or vaults. Not and remain who we are. But a supply closet, cloakroom, or other cloister, retrofitted into a bullet resistant ‘panic room’ / shelter would be great.
Could even be designed so the doorway doesn’t bear on the bulk of the space, add a kevlar panel to the door a la bank teller counters. Paint the floor so teh ‘safe’ area is plainly evident. When an alarm or gunshots sound, immediate drill is kids pile in while teach secures the classroom door, ushers the last kids in and secures the Keep. Killer(s) are left to wander the halls until they are brought down.
Such a feature should have a phone line, some basic water and sanitation supplies, and could serve as a tornado shelter or other crisis shelter.
Earlier this week I also suggested heavy duty doors at structural chokepoints, outfitted with electronic locks which can be remotely actuated. A panic button or code, and clunk everything locks, impeding the movements of a murderer. There’d have to be some provision for keycard or security code entry so good folks could still move thru them.

rayra on December 19, 2012 at 8:41 PM

There were 51 gun deaths in the UK in 2011 a decrease of 18%, but the year also marked a jump in the number of legally-held guns by 1.8 million so, obviously, more guns do not, necessarily, result in more gun deaths.

For some reason, gun control advocates like Piers Morgan and Absolute Shalls in the United States think that the fact that the UK has a lower rate of gun deaths is something to celebrate in and of itself. But, is it really? My questions to them are:

Does it really matter the manner of death is or what tool is used to kill?

If you are about to be raped, wouldn’t you rather kill the MoFo before he assaults you or, in the very least, scare him away?

Would you rather have the deaths, including those from self-defence, from guns rate increase or the violence rate skyrocket?

In other words, do you want to be the statistic or would you rather it be your would-be perpetrator?

Are not hammers, tyre irons, waffle irons, golf clubs, baseball bats and fists all possible “assault weapons”? What would you rather have in the middle of the night to defend your family against two home invaders: a gun or a Louisville Slugger, which – to the surprise of few, who know how the British governing class thinks – became the new “you don’t need that!” item during the August 2011 riots?

During the riots, sales of aluminum truncheons and baseball bats skyrocketed, with some items achieving sales 50,000% above normal. Amazon.co.uk was doing unbelievable sales on these types of items because people wanted to be able to defend themselves, which became increasingly necessary as the Metropolitan police were told to stand down.

“This crosses the line when it involves weapons. That just encourages the sense of fear – we want to reduce tension and fear in the area. People with baseball bats roaming the streets is not helpful: don’t go on Amazon buying them.”

- Stella Creasy, Labour MP for Walthamstow

It’s that kind of insensitive, living-in-the-bubble asininity that roils the blood of so many. People were not buying truncheons for sport so that they could go out and take the heads off of some yobs. Most were inside their homes cowering or were scurrying from home to work or market with head and eyes facing downward, if they had to venture outside. There were business owners, too, that tried to protect their life’s work. Despite the taunts of the feral children and the occasional Trustafarian tag-along looking for a good time, these business owners were not “fatcats” and “the evil rich.” Most were working class immigrants, who were just trying to save their little plot of prosperity and, for that, the dolers believed they deserved to be destroyed and idiots like Stella Creasy thought that they should be defenceless. ” Just give way, my good man. The dole is always here. No need for self-sufficiency! How crass anyway!”

After the gun ban went into effect, the increase in knife crimes and stabbings soared galatically. In 1997, the year Labour came to power and the gun ban passed, there were 4,489 prosecutions in England for knife crimes. By 2006, that figure had jumped to 7,699.

There was a 48% increase in serious knife-related hospital admissions between 1997/98 and 2006/7 and between 2003 and 2007 knife-wound hospital admissions for under-16s increased by 62.7%. This led the Home Affairs Select Committee in its report on knife crime to speculate that the increase in serious knife wounds “may indicate that knives are being used to inflict more serious wounds.” In other news, water is wet. Taking away guns does not take away the desire to harm. People just find another way of inflicting the damage. I know. It is a novel theory.

In 2008, there were 13,795 A&E admissions due to injuries suffered in knife crimes or an average of 38 victims with knife wounds across England, alone, every single day. This figure represented a 19% increase in 5 years and it continues to rise dramatically every year as knifers target more gadgets in street attacks.

In 2008, the Home Office released the statistics for knife crimes for the 12 months ending in March, 2008. To say that the figures were shocking would be an understatement. The annual crime statistics showed that there were 22,151 crimes committed involving knives in ENGLAND and WALES only. This figure did not include the estimated 250 fatal stabbings, which were recorded separately. The data further showed that 231 were related to attempted murders; 5,248 were cases of wounding with intent; 2,785 were related to grievous bodily harm; 2,359 were cases of robbery to business premises and 11,528 were related to the robbery of personal property.

The number of knife homicides rose by 26.9% between 2005/06 and 2006/07. There were 270 knife homicides in 2007/08: the highest total since the Homicide Index was introduced in 1977.

According to the Crime Survey for England and Wales, there were a reported 29,613 knife crimes in the year ending in June 2012 with a 10% increase in knifing robberies alone, Before you ask, it is illegal to carry knives in the UK. I know. Why haven’t people obeyed the law? 40% of all the murders of young people in the UK are committed with knives, but they are illegal. What’s up with that? /

Now, if you are an Absolute Shall that looks at UK knife crime and still thinks it looks good compared to American gun crime, then just wait a few because a “knife crime” doesn’t necessarily mean a stabbing. Under the Prevention of Crime Act of 1953, it became illegal to have an offencive weapon in a public place. This included ”any article made or adapted for use for causing injury to the person, or intended by the person having it with him for such use by him or by some other person.” The Restriction of Offencive Weapons Act of 1959 banned the carrying, manufacture, sale, purchase, hire or lending of flick-knives and ”gravity knives.” The Criminal Justice Act of 1988 contained a list of prohibited martial arts-style weapons and made it an offence to carry an article with a blade or sharp point in a public place. The Offencive Weapons Act of 1996 made it illegal to sell knives to children under the age of 16. The Knives Act of 1997 prohibited the marketing of combat knives. The Violent Crime Reduction Act of 2005 banned the sale of knives to anyone under 18. So, the govvie pretty much covered all of the sharpies, but the definition of a “knife crime” has been far more elusive because, for example, a sword, axes, and razor sharp “cat skinners” — all have been used — aren’t knives.

So, as bad as the increase in “knife” crimes was after the gun ban, it was nothing compared to what happened to the “stabbings” rate. In 2008, both the Government’s Offending, Crime and Justice Survey and the bigger British Crime Survey estimated that there were nearly 60,000 stabbings in England and Wales each year or a rate of 98.36 per 100,000 inhabitants.

Despite more laws banning more objects and sales to various people, the rate of knifings, knife-related crimes, and stabbings continued to increase. Paradoxically, the sheeple of Britain demand more cowbell. Instead of demanding a right to defend themselves, more police on the street, and stiffer prison terms (for example, in 2010 only 19% of knife possession offences led to prison terms and the average tariff was 4.8 months), many continue to demand more laws that criminals aren’t going to obey anyway. So, now, while it is quite conceivable that a woman can be detained or even arrested for carrying a plastic knife back to the office (don’t laugh – more than a few have been convicted for carrying a plastic knife in public even when they had no illicit intent), she cannot carry a gun to save her life or ward off a potential rapist.

How bad has the stabbing situation become in the UK AND, more importantly, the Nanny State need to micromanage safety? The move is on to require pubs serve beverages in only non-shatterproof glass or plastic. Considering the fact that official figures show more than 5,500 people are attacked every year in pubs with glasses and bottles in England and Wales, will a ban on china and crockery follow when they become the chosen “weapons of war” by drunken brawlers?

Resist We Much on December 19, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Hey Morgan, if the British knew which end of a rifle the little lead round things came out of, maybe we wouldn’t have had to save your country’s stupid butt from the Germans not once, but twice.

kurtzz3 on December 19, 2012 at 8:42 PM

AAAAAAAnnnnnndddd now even the .22 magazines are drying up, I just got two more backorder notices for them. Little .22 mags, man this is getting crazy.

Bishop on December 19, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Also, keeping six shots inside a six inch circle, at fifty feet.

Your do your husband proud. Now that’s a WOMAN … : )

listens2glenn on December 19, 2012 at 8:40 PM

I don’t think i could hit the broad side of a barn…but practice will make perfect improvement. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on December 19, 2012 at 8:43 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on December 19, 2012 at 8:33 PM

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You’re a special lady.

Plus, the exceptions strengthen the rules.

Schadenfreude on December 19, 2012 at 8:34 PM

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That’s an excellent point. That’s why Libs go bonkers over “American exceptionalism”.

listens2glenn on December 19, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Bishop on December 19, 2012 at 8:43 PM

So I taken it then, that you like toy guns.
*runs*

annoyinglittletwerp on December 19, 2012 at 8:44 PM


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canopfor on December 19, 2012 at 8:44 PM

That’s an excellent point. That’s why Libs go bonkers over “American exceptionalism”.

listens2glenn on December 19, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Yeah!!!

22044 on December 19, 2012 at 8:45 PM

By the way, doesn’t “opening a dialog” mean that BOTH sides get to talk? Otherwise, it’s called a monologue.

kurtzz3 on December 19, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Also, keeping six shots inside a six inch circle, at fifty feet.

Your do your husband proud. Now that’s a WOMAN … : )

listens2glenn on December 19, 2012 at 8:40 PM

My niece did that single shooting an M mag with Tommy.

I was so proud of her!

The best $20 in ammo I ever spent.

ajacksonian on December 19, 2012 at 8:45 PM

I have actually thought about putting some extras on ebay.

cozmo on December 19, 2012 at 8:33 PM

It’s like buying stocks, timing is everything. The next 1-2 weeks are probably the optimal time to sell a few for max gain.

rayra on December 19, 2012 at 8:46 PM

I don’t think i could hit the broad side of a barn…but practice will make perfect improvement. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on December 19, 2012 at 8:43 PM

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Yes it does, and having a Marine Sgt. instructor doesn’t hurt either.

listens2glenn on December 19, 2012 at 8:46 PM

rayra on December 19, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Wow! I like your ideas a lot, and IMHO they’ll be much more palatable to the general public than teachers packing heat.

MelonCollie on December 19, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Le crapola,thats,dis is a hot twitter,and not did!

canopfor on December 19, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Piers the peck needs to find a kingdom to be a subject in.

paulsur on December 19, 2012 at 8:47 PM

I guess if those doors are made like a vault, it would work.

He didn’t have too much trouble shooting his way in through the outside doors.

listens2glenn on December 19, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Wasn’t he buzzed in?

It doesn’t have to be so grand. That’s frustrating about this to me.

(Looking at the shooter and speaking politely through a structural door)

“I’m sorry sir, but only students and faculty are allowed in this classroom, or in this hall. You should try the office.”

Followed by a call to the office to tell them a strange man was roaming C-Wing.

He’s not Rambo.

Axe on December 19, 2012 at 8:47 PM

He didn’t have too much trouble shooting his way in through the outside doors.

listens2glenn on December 19, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Just a regular door with an electronic buzz-in lock. Not a bullet resistant man-trap or anything.

rayra on December 19, 2012 at 8:48 PM

rayra on December 19, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Much agreed. But liberals will never allow it. They’ll always find some lame ‘civil rights’ excuse much the same as a ‘gun free zone’ keeps children and school staff ‘safe’.

Liberals never want a real solution. If they got one as they keep saying, they would have nothing about which to complain. Once all problems are fixed, there is no further use for liberals.

As if they had a purpose to begin with.

Liam on December 19, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Leftists and women are such weasels and bondage lovers.

Schadenfreude on December 19, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Say that to my face and we’ll see who cries first.

Resist We Much on December 19, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Piers Morgan…. what a tool.

lexhamfox on December 19, 2012 at 8:48 PM

That’s going into my personal ‘net archive. QFT.

MelonCollie on December 19, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Thanks MelonCollie! :)

22044 on December 19, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Schadenfreude on December 19, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Say that to my face and we’ll see who cries first.

Resist We Much on December 19, 2012 at 8:48 PM

*sigh*

Axe on December 19, 2012 at 8:52 PM

listens2glenn on December 19, 2012 at 8:34 PM

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Just a regular door with an electronic buzz-in lock. Not a bullet resistant man-trap or anything.

rayra on December 19, 2012 at 8:48 PM

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I may have misunderstood (I do that occassionally). I had thought that their recent “security upgrades” had included bullet resistant (not “bullet proof”) glass, and that it required several shots for him to break in.

listens2glenn on December 19, 2012 at 8:53 PM

By the way, doesn’t “opening a dialog” mean that BOTH sides get to talk? Otherwise, it’s called a monologue.

kurtzz3 on December 19, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Otherwise, it’s called a fascist dictatorship.

rayra on December 19, 2012 at 8:53 PM

I guess if those doors are made like a vault, it would work.

He didn’t have too much trouble shooting his way in through the outside doors.

listens2glenn on December 19, 2012 at 8:34 PM

The solution is very simple. Have a police car with two officers patrolling the school during class time, that is an 8 hours period… They can even have a two hours shift for each two officers… No need to add extra police to the police force… In an average town of 15,000 there are at least a dozen of police officers and 2 or 3 public schools.. This mean 6 police officers to provide security to the schools and 6 police officers to do other security duties in the town…

mnjg on December 19, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Here is how liberals are: If the killer got arrested and the police subdued him with all their muster, in their anger and hurt at seeing all those murdered children, liberals would be questioning the ‘tactics’ of the police.

We wouldn’t be arguing gun laws so much. The liberal media would be writing stories headlined, “Are Police Tactics Too Abusive?”

Liam on December 19, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Ok, based on several replies above, I did misunderstand the shooter’s manner of entry.

listens2glenn on December 19, 2012 at 8:55 PM

I also believe that, if the shooter were black, the MSM would have buried the tragedy by now.

Liam on December 19, 2012 at 8:56 PM

I also believe that, if the shooter were black, the MSM would have buried the tragedy by now.

Liam on December 19, 2012 at 8:56 PM

I agree.

22044 on December 19, 2012 at 9:01 PM

How bad has the stabbing situation become in the UK AND, more importantly, the Nanny State need to micromanage safety? The move is on to require pubs serve beverages in only non-shatterproof glass or plastic. Considering the fact that official figures show more than 5,500 people are attacked every year in pubs with glasses and bottles in England and Wales, will a ban on china and crockery follow when they become the chosen “weapons of war” by drunken brawlers?

Resist We Much on December 19, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Indeed. When I had a 24 hr layover in London back in 1989, I decided to go do a bit of sightseeing. Just outside of Tower Records by Trafalgar Sq (IIRC), I saw a Paki kid with a switchblade in hand and concentrated like he was stalking someone. I didn’t bother with a second look and just slipped into a shop. Living in Berlin, I’ve witnessed several battles between punks, skinheads and turks. But when it comes to knives, it always seems to be the ROP types – stick and run.

AH_C on December 19, 2012 at 9:06 PM

listens2glenn on December 19, 2012 at 8:55 PM

The thing about the perimeter security idea is that it’s flawed conceptually. A school is zoned, fundamentally; it has public areas and private areas. You can’t just buzz people in. That works (as much as it does) in an apartment building because the apartments themselves are locked (two implied zones). In a school, the public area would be part of the cafeteria, the parking, the office, and so on. But the private area is the one that needs to be secured, and it doesn’t sound like it’s being secured, and I really don’t think it would take much.

None of this is to argue about policing the place. I just think we need a few closed doors to start with (with cute, low push-bars and possibly alphabet stickers. So cute.) — And build from there.

Just talking.

Axe on December 19, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Shit the f*ck, liberal. You aren’t welcome here, and you talk trash all the time. You aren’t only unwanted, you’re unnecessary–you’re a throwback and repeat of liberal bullsnot we all have heard a million times before.

F*ck you! The way you and other trolls behaved this weekend over Sandy Hook, you’re nothing but ghouls and carrion-eating zombies.

You’re putrid, unwanted, unwelcome, and unnecessary. YOU fulfill no purpose at all. YOU refused to even say a kind word last Friday about the lost children in Connecticut. All YOU did all weekend was attack , accuse, and condemn, mocking us in your typical snide liberal way for our grief over such a tragedy. And you did all that I accuse, you heartless scum0sucking liberal f*cking vermin.

F*ck you, liberal, and anything you have to say.

Liam on December 19, 2012 at 8:12 PM

i sure hope momma has the guns locked up tonight.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Morgan engages his wit and wisdom and comes up with, “You’re a dum-dum-doodoohead!”

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on December 19, 2012 at 9:15 PM

I may have misunderstood (I do that occassionally). I had thought that their recent “security upgrades” had included bullet resistant (not “bullet proof”) glass, and that it required several shots for him to break in.

listens2glenn on December 19, 2012 at 8:53 PM

I haven’t seen or read any deliberate reporting of it. I saw one fleeting image of it on some cablenews netowrk coverage and the glass looked shattered like normal safety glass, the door frame mostly empty. Not what you see with a bullet-resistant clear panel. Their outer layers are sometimes such glass, but the core at least is a plastic that absorbs and contains the energy / projectile. It doesn’t shatter.

rayra on December 19, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Le crapola,thats,dis is a hot twitter,and not did!

canopfor on December 19, 2012 at 8:47 PM

i thought of that, too.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Here is how liberals are: If the killer got arrested and the police subdued him with all their muster, in their anger and hurt at seeing all those murdered children, liberals would be questioning the ‘tactics’ of the police.
We wouldn’t be arguing gun laws so much. The liberal media would be writing stories headlined, “Are Police Tactics Too Abusive?”
Liam on December 19, 2012 at 8:54 PM

They would also be fighting against the prosecutions demands for the death penalty like in the Homles case.

jawkneemusic on December 19, 2012 at 9:23 PM

The solution is very simple. Have a police car with two officers patrolling the school during class time, that is an 8 hours period… They can even have a two hours shift for each two officers… No need to add extra police to the police force… In an average town of 15,000 there are at least a dozen of police officers and 2 or 3 public schools.. This mean 6 police officers to provide security to the schools and 6 police officers to do other security duties in the town…

mnjg on December 19, 2012 at 8:53 PM

This math does not work. There are nowhere near enough officers to perform such duty. Not and maintain their normal duties. Most police departments already run with too few patrol officers AND patrol cars. Putting even one of each at each school in a given department’s area of responsibility would quickly exhaust all available resources. They do it when they have a specific threat, they’re doing it now as a show of force and because they’ll get their butts handed to them is something happens during this period of maximal media hype. But they can’t sustain that for any length of time.

rayra on December 19, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Good thing that Hotair referenced the Piers comments… I never would have known…

Khun Joe on December 19, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Isn’t time for a revolt? Not guns in the streets. Nothing illegal.

Isn’t it time for a Cavuto, a Baker, even an O’Reilly to make the call, to be joined by a Koch brother or two? The great Sowell?

How about the voice of every bitter clinger, old white guy being heard- loud, clear and painful.

A one month sales tax revolt. Nothing but the mortgage, scheduled payments, utilities, gas and groceries for one month. Buy nothing, a full boycott.

Yep, a lot of us will be hurt. But we will be heard. On profligate spending, on foreign policy, on guns, on energy.

Isn’t it time?

M240H on December 19, 2012 at 9:29 PM

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Shut the F8ck up, you abusive liberal. No one asked you here, and whatever you might write is trash.

Shut the f*ck up, you abuser. YOU are nothing more than a violent liberal who assails and attacks us every chance you get.

You are not wanted here, you are not welcome here. YOU are useless even to your own side, and worthless in any and every case.

Go the f*ck away. YOU attacked us when we were hurting (go find your own defense to ‘prove me wrong’)

You’re not wanted here, you f*cking ghoul. YOU are a horrid little monster, a typical liberal. WE don;t need you, we don’t WANT you. YOU are an abuser. YOU hold no moral ‘high ground’.

F*ck YOU.

Liam on December 19, 2012 at 9:29 PM

canopfor on December 19, 2012 at 8:47 PM

i thought of that, too.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 9:19 PM

sesquipedalian:Lol!

canopfor on December 19, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Isn’t it time?

M240H on December 19, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Overdue is more like it.

JPeterman on December 19, 2012 at 9:33 PM

“If we can’t get the elected people to do something about firearms,we are a SAD SAD Society”!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22825103/vp/50239761#50239761

In 2010, the homicide rate in the United States fell to 4.2%. This rate was either the lowest in four decades, according to the Holder Department of Justice, or the lowest rate since 1909 according to long term statistics, including those from the FBI, the Census, and state depositories.

The year 2011 marked the fifth straight year of a decline in violent crime, which includes murder, rape, robbery and assault, and witnessed a 4% decrease from the previous year, according to the FBI’s Annual Uniform Crime Report. In addition, property crime, covering burglary, larceny and motor vehicle theft, edged down by just 0.8 percent, the smallest decrease in three years. Nevertheless, that marked the ninth consecutive annual drop in property crimes.

Per FBI records, both violent crime and property crime peaked in the early 1990s. Since peaking in 1992, violent crime has fallen by 38% while property crime has dropped by 30.6% from its high in 1991. Furthermore, the number of violent crimes has decreased by 12% since 2006, which was the last year marked with an increase, and property crime has dropped by 14% since 2002, the last year that it increased.

What is quite significant about these numbers, especially in the context of the current conversation about gun and “assault weapons,” is that the Assault Weapons Ban expired in 2004. Bill Clinton, Dianne Feinstein, Chuck Schumer, Carolyn McCarthy and Joe Biden would have killed to have a murder rate as low DURING the 10 years of the existence of the AWB as it has been in the 7 years AFTER ITS EXPIRATION.

So, if the AWB didn’t do it, what else could explain the dramatic decrease in the homicide rate?

How about two:

1. The demand for crack cocaine has declined.

2. Criminals might be thinking twice about who they are going to attack considering:

In 1994, there was 1 state with UNRESTRICTED gun carry rights and 20 states with SHALL ISSUE CCW laws, 17 states with MAY ISSUE laws, and 12 states with NO ISSUE laws.

In 2011, there were 4 states with UNRESTRICTED gun carry rights and 37 states with SHALL ISSUE CCW laws, 8 states with MAY ISSUE laws, and 1 state with a NO ISSUE law — and it (Illinois) just had its ban struck down by the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals.

Resist We Much on December 19, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Piers Morgan to gun-rights advocate: “You’re an unbelievably stupid man, aren’t you?”

No, he’s just knowledgeable about our constitution.

Oh, before you lecture us, Piers, explain why the UK has one of the highest rape, assault and robbery rates per capita in the world.

I love London, but I feel safer in Harlem than I do in Piccadilly after 10 PM.

BacaDog on December 19, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Liam on December 19, 2012 at 9:29 PM

when you get banned, look back. i’ll be the one waving good-bye.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 9:36 PM

do you find this strategy to be effective?

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 7:57 PM

As effective as anything else, most of the time.

“Reasoning” might be effective, briefly, with liberals who are just ignorant or stupid, but pretty soon they’re going back to their regular sources of disinformation to be brainwashed again.

For those liberals who think that everything would be great if you could just force people to abide by rules you won’t adhere to yourself, pretty much nothing works. So, if the strategy isn’t effective, it’s at least satisfying, and it lets you know that we’re not as stupid as the people you normally deal with.

malclave on December 19, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Isn’t it time?

M240H on December 19, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Overdue is more like it.

JPeterman on December 1

Pushed on one or two programs on the out door channel, Fox News, NRA, every Conservative blog/site….

Can’t tell me it can’t happen.

M240H on December 19, 2012 at 9:38 PM

A one month sales tax revolt.

M240H on December 19, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Doing that by necessity at the moment, anyway. :(

Axe on December 19, 2012 at 9:40 PM

when you get banned, look back. i’ll be the one waving good-bye.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Nobody gets banned for anything anymore, fortunately for useless trolltards like you. IIRC, the last posters to even get seriously threatened with banning were a couple of ultra-extreme fanatic Palinistas whose husbands needed to password-protect their computer.

MelonCollie on December 19, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Overdue is more like it.

JPeterman on December 1

We are overdue for so many realities to hit it’s terrifying. My generation and the immediately previous one in particular haven’t just been playing on the train tracks, we’ve built a friggin treehouse over them, and the 12:00 express is just about due.

MelonCollie on December 19, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Hey Morgan, if the British knew which end of a rifle the little lead round things came out of, maybe we wouldn’t have had to save your country’s stupid butt from the Germans not once, but twice.

kurtzz3 on December 19, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Indeed. My favorite retort to my liberal Brit friends (one of whom refers to me as an ‘upstart colonial’) is to ask them if they speak German. Then I ask them if they have any idea why not. Apparently history is lost on the English these days. Pity. Perhaps someone could enlighten Mr. Morgan as to how this country came to be. Then they could move to more recent history and explain about the US having to save them. Twice. With guns, no less.

ghostwalker1 on December 19, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Pushed on one or two programs on the out door channel, Fox News, NRA, every Conservative blog/site….

Can’t tell me it can’t happen.

M240H on December 19, 2012 at 9:38 PM

I was there, and though only 16 at the time, we knew how to make it happen

And without social networking too.

It. Is. Time.

JPeterman on December 19, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Somewhat OT – I live in Massachusetts. There’s a local gun range .25 miles from my home, I have never been, though I’m now looking to join and get a Mass. Firearms Permit. I also joined the NRA last night. The local gun range’s NRA Basic Safety class is booked up through March. Again, this is Massachusetts.

EA_MAN on December 19, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Mr. Pratt was treated just as poorly several years ago by that idiot Bill O’Reilly. Mr. Pratt was all class then too.

Fazman on December 19, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Biggest argument for gun rights I’ve ever seen on this site: thsyphilis says I belong in a mental institution for laughing at his utterly foolish ‘arguments’, which amount to a temper tantrum writ large.

MelonCollie on December 19, 2012 at 9:49 PM

when you get banned, look back. i’ll be the one waving good-bye.

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Dream on, you horrid abusive COMMON little liberal. That mindset–that you putrid horrid little monsters hold some ‘moral high ground’–is precisely why YOU and your kind are mere parasitic vermin. And the main reason you’re not welcome around here.

YOU aren’t among us. WE suffer you, but we don’t want you. We don’t welcome you. I guess that works for you and, if it does, you’re one sick little liberal puppy.

Intelligent people of good repute don’t operate the way YOU do. YOU are scum. Your only claim to ‘valuable’ life is seeking a new low every day. I have yet to see YOU, just once, change any minds to your side. You haven’t done that, have you? Do you truly think you ever will, given the horrid way you are?

F*ck you and your obnoxious self-presumed pomposity, you common liblet! YOU have nothing t all except yourself. And that’s not much at all.

I bet your comrades at the local coffee shop laugh behind your back as well.

Liam on December 19, 2012 at 9:53 PM

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 9:36 PM

C’mon, you horrid sanctimonious little liberal brat. Let’s play. You were never invited here; you imposed yourself on us. We don’ much like you and largely don’t want you in our fold. But you go ahead–show us all how putrid lil ol’ YOU is somehow superior to us.

C’mon! Let’s play!

Liam on December 19, 2012 at 10:05 PM

lester on December 19, 2012 at 8:04 PM

You’re an idiot.

And pretty stupid yourself.

FOAD

Solaratov on December 19, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Solaratov on December 19, 2012 at 10:14 PM

I tend to be of the view that liberals should ea their own sh*t and live long to regret it every day. But that’s just me; no one has ever accused me of being a nice guy when it comes to dealing with liberals. ~S~

Liam on December 19, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Liam on December 19, 2012 at 9:53 PM

The audacity of this little communist scum coming to a conservative site and threatening banning the conservative members… I do not know why the administrators tolerate these communist scums… We really do not need their opinion to generate a lively conversation because we know every stupid thing they believe in and we do not want them polluting this site with their crap…

mnjg on December 19, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Can he lower the bar any further at CNN? Do something Zucker.

jake49 on December 19, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Here’s another anecdote of an armed citizen stopping / killing a criminal shooter, for that moron claiming it doesn’t happen -
http://www.ammoland.com/2009/07/19/gun-owner-saves-lives-in-the-richmond-va-golden-market-shooting/

In fact here’s an entire site chock full of such real-world incidents, for such ignorant little darlings.
http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/

rayra on December 19, 2012 at 10:25 PM

All I can say is that I love the old guy, well argued sir despite the scumbag lefty Brit passing off ad hominems/vile vicious insults as an argument.

All this does is make me a stronger supporter of the pro-gun lobby and the 2nd amendment.

It’s funny I had a very similar argument with a far-left friend who had no response on the right to self-defense (using guns) but kept railing and screaming about how dangerous guns are and we’re allowing wackos to get them.

If the nuts are getting guns, that’s a problem with screening, not the guns themselves. Any liberals reading this GFY.

thinkagain on December 19, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Shut the F8ck up, you abusive liberal. No one asked you here, and whatever you might write is trash.

Shut the f*ck up, you abuser. YOU are nothing more than a violent liberal who assails and attacks us every chance you get.

You are not wanted here, you are not welcome here. YOU are useless even to your own side, and worthless in any and every case.

Go the f*ck away. YOU attacked us when we were hurting (go find your own defense to ‘prove me wrong’)

You’re not wanted here, you f*cking ghoul. YOU are a horrid little monster, a typical liberal. WE don;t need you, we don’t WANT you. YOU are an abuser. YOU hold no moral ‘high ground’.

F*ck YOU.

Liam

Good job you’re not armed eh? All that anger. Likely to fly off the handle. mental health, anyone?

lostmotherland on December 19, 2012 at 10:27 PM

FOAD

Solaratov o

LOL. Keyboard Kommando. Go shoot some guns.

lostmotherland on December 19, 2012 at 10:29 PM

The audacity of this little communist scum coming to a conservative site and threatening banning the conservative members… I do not know why the administrators tolerate these communist scums… We really do not need their opinion to generate a lively conversation because we know every stupid thing they believe in and we do not want them polluting this site with their crap…

mnjg on December 19, 2012 at 10:17 PM

I agree with you totally.

But what finished my patience with and goodwill toward the trolls was Friday after we had a thread about the murders at Sandy Hook. All they did was attack us, trying to score a political win while we were all hurting. That’s the height of abuse to me, to be disallowed grieving with friends and looking to make sense of it all.

Liberal trolls stole that from us, kicking us in the teeth when our hearts ached. And they did it intentionally. Not ONE troll came here over the weekend and said, “This is awful, and I’m with you this time.”

No, not ONE f*cking liberal did that. They saw only an opportunity to strike, forcing their bland of combat on us when we didn’t want to fight anything else than tears.

The trolls, by their own actions, used up all my goodwill.

Liam on December 19, 2012 at 10:29 PM

CNN is the gift that keeps on giving. Can we get Ted Turner to weigh in on this? I’m sure he’ll have some sage advice, like when he said he was glad our troops in the ME were getting killed. To steal a phrase from I think Robert Spencer — ‘suicide in slow motion’ — that’s what CNN is doing.

rightmind on December 19, 2012 at 10:38 PM

lostmotherland on December 19, 2012 at 10:27 PM

You’re as bright as a broken light bulb. F*ck you, liberal.

I remember YOU making sport of the killings in CT on Friday. So who is the bastard around here? YOU played politics among heartbroken people, so I guess YOU think you’re the bestest of the best.

F*ck you. YOU are sum. YOU are the heartless. YOU aren’t worth very much, no matter how much you spew.

YOU aren’t welcome here. You impose yourself, willfully and purposely being a nag and a problem. Is that something about which to brag? Normal, healthy people (unlike pitiful YOU) don’t want to be a problem. They prefer having a good reputation.

But you’re different, the opposite. You get off willfully making yourself unlovable.

Who is the sick one here…?

Liam on December 19, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Stay classy, Piersey. #pompousfop

ZK on December 19, 2012 at 10:39 PM

t’s more than tiring to listen to or read the pious pontifications of ill-educated celebrities unfamiliar with our nation’s culture and history. Just because they have a presumably cultivated accent, they should not be considered authorities on American law, the Constitution, and history. More often than not, they merely babble PC-approved talking points with clear enunciation and a supercilious raised eyebrow.

onlineanalyst on December 19, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Are you talking about piers morgan or barak obama? Although obama appears to be a natural born citizen, he was not raised in the US and does NOT know what it is to be an American.

Old Country Boy on December 19, 2012 at 10:40 PM

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Piers Morgan … Ahhh, yes, the boy that was intellectually spanked by Toure, the college dropout
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Arbalest on December 19, 2012 at 10:42 PM

By the way, I have a crude gun range at my place. My Old Country Daughter-in-Law used the range this year to bring in two 8-pointers.

Old Country Boy on December 19, 2012 at 10:42 PM

lostmotherland on December 19, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Striking everything of my post tells me only that putrid lil you can’t handle objecting opinions. You thought yourself cute, brilliant, and superior. Truth is, though, striking my post the way you childishly did is the same as you covering your ears and singing Mary Had A Little Lamb.

Of all the horrid trolls here, YOU are the most lame and pathetic.

Liam on December 19, 2012 at 10:44 PM

I agree with you totally.

But what finished my patience with and goodwill toward the trolls was Friday after we had a thread about the murders at Sandy Hook. All they did was attack us, trying to score a political win while we were all hurting. That’s the height of abuse to me, to be disallowed grieving with friends and looking to make sense of it all.

Liberal trolls stole that from us, kicking us in the teeth when our hearts ached. And they did it intentionally. Not ONE troll came here over the weekend and said, “This is awful, and I’m with you this time.”

No, not ONE f*cking liberal did that. They saw only an opportunity to strike, forcing their bland of combat on us when we didn’t want to fight anything else than tears.

The trolls, by their own actions, used up all my goodwill.

Liam on December 19, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Yes although we know how low these communist scums are, it still shock us that they can go even lower…

mnjg on December 19, 2012 at 10:45 PM

do you find this strategy to be effective?

sesquipedalian on December 19, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Because you’re so effective. Heh. Fo.

CW on December 19, 2012 at 10:46 PM

mnjg on December 19, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Finding a new low is the liberal concept of ‘progress’. In sum, it’s ‘neener-neener’.

Liam on December 19, 2012 at 10:49 PM

lostmotherland on December 19, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Feed your loved ones arsenic and tehn practice falling down in traffic patriot.

The world would be a better place without you.

tom daschle concerned on December 19, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Feed your loved ones arsenic and tehn practice falling down in traffic patriot.

The world would be a better place without you.

tom daschle concerned on December 19, 2012 at 10:55 PM

I find it hard to believe anyone loves lostmotherland. He doesn’t strike me as someone worth loving.

Liam on December 19, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Say that to my face and we’ll see who cries first.

Resist We Much on December 19, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Special and smart lady, you’re not a run of the mill woman.

Schadenfreude on December 19, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Wave the bloody OshKosh B’Gosh because we’re only one piece of legislation away from solving human aggression.

derit on December 19, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Why is it that these ‘gun control’ idiots can’t seem to realize that these mass murders happen in “gun-free” zones?

This is POLITICS for them. They ignore completely the fact that the people who engage in these atrocities are LUNATICS who aren’t getting effective treatment for their mental health issues. THAT’s the problem. Guns and video games don’t hop up off the shelf and kill people.

Murf76 on December 19, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Even doing my best to rid myself of all biases, I have yet to see an anti-gunner make a rational argument or even win a debate since the most recent shooting. I believe highly in the value of intelligent debate, but the left ain’t producing any at all. It was hard to pull even a concrete idea from the anti-gunners in that video, and there was certainly no factual rebuttal.

Glenn Jericho on December 19, 2012 at 11:21 PM

I love Drudge’s take on this: “The British are coming.”

Yeah, has anyone else noticed the irony of a British man telling Americans to lay down their arms?

Caiwyn on December 19, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Hrmmm…the Reichstag burns and Obama and the useful idiots on the left play the same old tune. I wonder how this will end…oh wait…I think I’ve seen this movie.

BadMojo on December 20, 2012 at 12:01 AM

You’re an unbelievably arrogant smug pompous prissy ass, aren’t you Piers? Why don’t you go back to your own country and mind your own damn business.

farsighted on December 20, 2012 at 12:06 AM

Had a discussion today with a couple of buddies and the conversation turned to “gun control”.

One of my buds asked why I should be allowed to have an “assault” rifle.

My response was that it is the same reason that women are allowed to have an abortion.

“Why is that?” he asked.

“Well, because it’s legal and I want one.”

Next topic.

drowningpuppies on December 20, 2012 at 12:11 AM

drowningpuppies on December 20, 2012 at 12:11 AM

That is a beautiful argument! I plan on stealing that for my own use!

BadMojo on December 20, 2012 at 12:29 AM

The safe room is an interesting idea. I don’t think you’d have to go to all that trouble, though. If the classroom doors were simply more secure, and if they had a auto-close feature they way smoke doors are setup, the school could close every door with a button. They could close and lock the smoke doors as well, to seal all of those zones and offer protection to students who happened to be in the hallway.

If the doors had window shutters the shooters would have no line of sight into the classroom at all. You could harden the bottom 4 feet of the corridor walls and have everyone sit against those walls. It saves the time of moving into another space as well.

Window access on ground floors would remain an issue. Retrofitting that glass, or providing hardened shutters everywhere would run into more serious money.

None of that solves what happens in the classroom where the shooter draws the gun if they manage to get it inside, of course. If there was some sort of incapacitating dispenser of tear gas or something that could be remotely operated you could try to shut down zones that way; it would be hard on everyone but not deadly, and the shooter would be reduced to firing blind at best. Yes, you’d have to jump on someone who pulled out a gas mask.

Beslan happened while I was teaching at an international school in a Muslim country. The state department came out and did a security evaluation for us, but there wasn’t much we could really do. The school didn’t have money to really fix the issues–the whole campus would have been pretty much a do-over. No-one could own weapons. Not a good feeling.

TexasDan on December 20, 2012 at 12:33 AM

Just a reminder for the blindly europhilic Peirs Morgan…

The average number of murders per year in Europe for the last hundred years (1912 – 2012) is more than 325,000 per year.

The numbers of murders per year reached its highest in the United States in 1991 at a measly 24,700.

The average rate at which Euros slaughter each other is nearly 14 times the number of murders for Americas single worst year.

Alberta_Patriot on December 20, 2012 at 12:33 AM

Shuts them up every time.

drowningpuppies on December 20, 2012 at 12:33 AM

Yeah, has anyone else noticed the irony of a British man telling Americans to lay down their arms?

Caiwyn on December 19, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Hmmmm. That does seem vaguely familiar. Remind me; how did that work out the last time?

ghostwalker1 on December 20, 2012 at 12:34 AM

I just thought of this one…

If you’re talking to someone that advocates a “total gun ban”, then pose this to them: “So, if that became law then the President won’t need gun-armed secret service to protect him, right?”

Likely response: “Well, some criminal/nut job might still have a gun..”.

Your response: “That’s the same reason that I need guns for protection too. Is the life of the president more important than mine, or my family members? I should have the same right and firepower as the secret service for protection, no?”

E-R

electric-rascal on December 20, 2012 at 12:38 AM

Piers Morgan (obviously bullied at school) is a supercilious twerp.

Classically liberal, automatically knowing the answer to all questions, without reference to facts or reality. He just wants to feel good about himself by posturing as the majority opinion.

The reality is that even if the politicians pass some law it will do nothing and have no bearing on what happened in Newtown. Politicians love sweet symbolic nothings and that’s what they will deliver.

Meanwhile, practical people, regardless of party, will do what they need to do to protect themselves.

virgo on December 20, 2012 at 12:40 AM

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