Gov. McDonnell: Time for a second look at arming school officials?

posted at 6:01 pm on December 19, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

On Tuesday, Michigan Gov. Rick Synder nixed a bill that would have allowed for adults with extra training to carry concealed weapons in schools, while over in Texas, Gov. Rick Perry voiced his support for the same idea as a viable method of improving school security. Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell also spoke up on the issue on Tuesday; he has supported a ban on guns in schools in the past, but in the wake of the Sandy Hook massacre, thinks it may be time to revisit the issue.

Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell has entered the fray on gun control, telling a news radio station  he thinks it’s time for “a reasonable discussion” to be held on allowing school officials to be armed in the wake of the Newtown, Conn., massacre of young children.

“I know there’s been a knee-jerk reaction against that,” the Republican said Tuesday on WTOP radio, according to a report in the Richmond Times-Dispatch.

But he added, “I think there should at least be a discussion of that. If people were armed, not just a police officer, but other school officials who were trained and chose to have a weapon certainly there’d [have] been an opportunity to stop aggressors coming into the school.” …

McDonnell said he agreed that a discussion about the “multiple clip issue is one . . . that we can have.”

As McDonnell pointed out, there is always a knee-jerk reaction against the idea that more guns lead to less crime, but the areas in which these mass shootings have been taking place being “gun-free zones” has not accomplished anything in deterring crime. In all of Washington’s recent calls for action, the proposals are all focused on expanding gun control instead of gun safety — but might we be seeing actual legislation, and support for said legislation, from the state-level Virginia legislature in the near future? Looks like it:

Del. Robert G. Marshall is proposing a bill that would require some teachers or other school staff to carry concealed weapons in schools.

Marshall (R-Prince William) requested that the bill be drafted in response to the mass shooting last week at a Connecticut elementary school. …

“I would be very supportive of the idea that properly trained teachers could carry concealed firearms,” said Sen. Richard H. Black (R-Loudoun). “There’s no way you’d have 20 innocent children gunned down if you had teachers who could help to defend themselves.”

Philip Van Cleave, who heads the Virginia Citizens Defense League, said he would like to see the state eliminate the gun-free zones surrounding schools. As an interim step, he would support arming teachers and other staff.

“We’d prefer to just see that [gun-free zone] go away, not just [for] teachers but even parents or whoever,” he said. “They’re carrying everywhere else. Why do we not trust them on school grounds? Gun-free zones don’t work, and telling people with permits they can’t carry on school property — the people you don’t want carrying on school property don’t have permits.”

Would the legislation actually have a shot at passing? I’d say very possibly, or at least much more so than it did in Michigan — Virginia may be slowly turning purple, but the firearms issue is one that tends to bring out its traditionally reddish leanings.


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They should at least have the #righttochoose eh libs? Unless you’re going to be hypocrites about this like being forced to join a union but having the “choice” to kill your baby.

jawkneemusic on December 19, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Can’t wait for the hysteria on the left this will trigger.

rbj on December 19, 2012 at 6:08 PM

They voted for obaka and Warner…don’t bet on it.

ladyingray on December 19, 2012 at 6:09 PM

They best not pass a “stupid-free zone” bill, or congress would be shut down.

STL_Vet on December 19, 2012 at 6:09 PM

One would think that, with all the national concern over terrorists , that we could do more to protect our little ones than post a “This is a Gun Free Zone” sign out front!

mediamime on December 19, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Yes there should be at least a couple of trusted trained people armed at these schools and nobody should know that they are armed. It should though be known that armed good guys are at the schools. This will deter some and it will give the defenseless at least a chance. Generally speaking these whack job killers are cowards and will respond accordingly.

CW on December 19, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Let the progtards go nutty on gun control…… but in the short term, hows about we look at securing these schools with doors that will keep these aholes out in the future.

Maybe a little technology for the schools?? The NEA should be out in front on this… after all – weren’t teachers also murdered by this criminal?

Its about security.

FlaMurph on December 19, 2012 at 6:12 PM

This is a Gun Free Zone” sign out front!

mediamime on December 19, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Maybe we need bully free zones too. Like magic–gotta love it.

CW on December 19, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Letter from a friend of one of the victims….

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/heart-stopping-letter-newtown-shooting-victim-jack-pinto-191902176.html

CW on December 19, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Well if pilots would have had guns on 9-11, we wouldn’t have had two wars, thousands of soldiers killed, a more influential Iran, and be subjected to anal probes to get on an airplane. “Liberals” should comprehend that much.

MechanicalBill on December 19, 2012 at 6:13 PM

You mean, Let people defend themselves?

We can’t have that, how would the Oppressive-left grab our guns if not with horrific school shootings?

/sarc.

Galt2009 on December 19, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Lesson Of Sandy Hook, Clackamas — Ban Gun-Free Zones
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/121712-637367-sandy-hook-tragedy-prevented-at-clackamas.htm

Gun Laws: Before the tragedy in Connecticut, a shooter at an Oregon shopping mall was stopped by an armed citizen with a concealed carry permit who refused to be a victim, preventing another mass tragedy.

From Virginia Tech to a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., to a school in Newtown, Conn., such mass shootings are usually in venues declaring themselves gun-free zones.

Other mass shootings — from a high school shooting by in Pearl, Miss., to the New Life Church shooting in Colorado Springs, Colo., which took place before the massacre in Aurora — have been cut short when someone retrieved a gun from a car or elsewhere and confronted the shooter.

President Obama, in the middle of genuinely moving remarks, managed to inject a subliminal need for gun control. We can expect to be lectured about gun rights and gun control by an administration that funneled the same type of weapons used at Sandy Hook to Mexican drug cartels in the Fast and Furious scandal.

Galt2009 on December 19, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Would the legislation actually have a shot at passing? I’d say very possibly, or at least much more so than it did in Michigan — Virginia may be slowly turning purple, but the firearms issue is one that tends to bring out its traditionally reddish leanings.

The state may pass such legislation but no way in hell that the commies here in Arlington would ever go along with arming school officials.

That being said, I think McDonnell’s actual comments (not the way Representative Connelly lied about them to feign moral outrage) is a reasonable approach. Arming school officials is one approach. Looking at security procedures or hiring guards are other ideas. Bob clearly wants to have a discussion while the Dems want to stand on the bodies of 20 children to further their own agenda. Connelly among them are sick individuals.

Happy Nomad on December 19, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Opposing view: Eliminate ‘gun-free zone’ regulations
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2012/12/16/gun-free-zones-larry-pratt/1773473/

In addition to the gunman, blood is on the hands of members of Congress and the Connecticut legislators who voted to ban guns from all schools in Connecticut (and most other states). They are the ones who made it illegal to defend oneself with a gun in a school when that is the only effective way of resisting a gunman.

What a lethal, false security are the “gun-free zone” laws. Virtually all mass murders in the past 20 years have occurred in gun-free zones. The two people murdered several days earlier in a shopping center in Oregon were also killed in a gun-free zone.

One measure of insanity is repeating the same failure time after time, hoping that the next time the failure will turn out to be a success. Gun-free zones are a lethal insanity.

Israel finally came to grips with this in the early 1970s and have decisively stopped these attacks after a busload of children was massacred by Muslim terrorists. When I was there in the late 1990s, if you saw a busload of students, you saw at least one young teacher with a machine gun protecting the groups of students.

The Israelis have decisively stopped these school-related attacks and proved they want to live. Do we?

Galt2009 on December 19, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Leftists never cease to amaze me.

jawkneemusic on December 19, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Make your own Gun Free Zone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhgzcioPet8&feature=player_detailpage

A great little video that shoots down…. Er… blows away…. Never mind.. the Oppressive-left’s mindless logic on zones where your denied the right of self defense.

Galt2009 on December 19, 2012 at 6:18 PM

In Israel, the armed guardians of school children are very much out in the open – that pretty much every adult has had extensive military training with firearms makes the threat very “real.”

The funny (not “ha ha”) thing …. I found it real easy to get used to their presence – perhaps because I knew the threat in their absence would be very, very real.

BD57 on December 19, 2012 at 6:18 PM

The NEA should be out in front on this… after all – weren’t teachers also murdered by this criminal?

Its about security.

FlaMurph on December 19, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Oh please! Pay raises or strengthed classroom doors- guess which gets the support of the unions? From what little information is out there, it does not sound as if Sandy Hook was terrible when it came to access control but the school was never designed to deal with a madman who was intent on harming children.

Happy Nomad on December 19, 2012 at 6:19 PM

They best not pass a “stupid-free zone” bill, or congress would be shut down.
STL_Vet on December 19, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Not exactly. Criminals aren’t hindered by silly signs. ;)

jawkneemusic on December 19, 2012 at 6:19 PM

Hmmm if I was a bad guy it would be such a conundrum. Do I go to the gun free zone….or the gun zones like police departments , gun ranges, and the like…..

someone help me….. please.

/

CW on December 19, 2012 at 6:20 PM

The funny (not “ha ha”) thing …. I found it real easy to get used to their presence – perhaps because I knew the threat in their absence would be very, very real.

BD57 on December 19, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Hey, there is a reason why the Aurora shooter picked the one theater within 20 miles that was “gun free” instead of the six that could have included people with CCW permits.

Same holds true at Sandy Hook. It was precisely the kind of environment being pushed by the left. Gun free. As if evil people pay attention to signs beyond recognizing soft targets when they see them.

Happy Nomad on December 19, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Leftists never cease to amaze me.

jawkneemusic on December 19, 2012 at 6:16 PM

When do we deport that jackazz?

JPeterman on December 19, 2012 at 6:22 PM

REPEAL THE NO GUN ZONES……………………..

IF YOU TRULY LOVE THE (YOUR) Children!
(snark)

canopfor on December 19, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Proud Virginian!

ButterflyDragon on December 19, 2012 at 6:22 PM

When I was in high school, about a hundred years ago, our principal always carried a concealed handgun. Everybody knew, nobody thought anything about it. He often carried large cash deposits to the bank after hours. Of course during hunting season it was not unusual to find guns in student’s cars in the parking lot either. Matter of fact we often had fish and game officers come to the school to teach firearms safety and gun control using honest to goodness real guns. It’s a wonder we weren’t all warped and twisted beyond hope of redemption. I sometimes wonder why we never had school shootings in my area with the plethora of firearms there.

Oldnuke on December 19, 2012 at 6:23 PM

They best not pass a “stupid-free zone” bill, or congress would be shut down.
STL_Vet on December 19, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Not exactly. Criminals aren’t hindered by silly signs. ;)

jawkneemusic on December 19, 2012 at 6:19 PM

Well done.

STL_Vet on December 19, 2012 at 6:24 PM

The one thing no one will say: Without all the diversity and mental pathology created by our social engineers, we would largely have no need for armed defense.

abobo on December 19, 2012 at 6:24 PM

As a former teacher, I don’t know if I would want to be the one to carry in a school. Not a gun owner, but in the past few years I have been forced into the realm of considering it.

There are many good ideas out there besides arming teachers, but there should be some action taken and soon. While Obama is out there wanting to take away our gun rights and pretending that he isn’t, I commend McDonnell for committing to actually opening up the discussion and Bob Marshall for looking into this to get rid of gun free zones and possibly arming some teachers.

The greatest fear for me is not necessarily the nut jobs, but terrorists. Since Obama doesn’t take it seriously and he has mandated the BFD guy to come up with a stupid idea and pass it as law, terrorists have to be taking notice that American schools are a possible, juicy target for them even more than they were. More schools have to come up with drills and plans for something very serious because there would be more than one of them to attack a school. The terrorists have already had their dry runs in Russia causing unspeakable horror for three days. Good on the state of VA for opening up the dialog. Arming teachers needs to be thought out very carefully and combined with a plan for the unthinkable.

BetseyRoss on December 19, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Galt2009 on December 19, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Israeli teachers aren’t armed. They have armed security and soldiers sometimes accompany school trips but notion that Israeli teachers are armed is false. There are no guns in Israeli classrooms.

lexhamfox on December 19, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Bad news for the Gun Grabbing Ghouls on the left:

Wal-Mart Runs Out of Semi-Automatic Rifles
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/wal-mart-runs-out-of-semi-automatic-rifles/

Wal-Mart stores in five states have run out of semi-automatic rifles following the Sandy Hook massacre.

Galt2009 on December 19, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Videogames under fire, Hollywood lays low after school shooting
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/19/us-usa-shooting-connecticut-entertainmen-idUSBRE8BI1LU20121219

(Reuters) – The multi-billion-dollar videogame industry came under scrutiny on Wednesday after Hollywood canceled, postponed or played down a slew of movies and TV shows with violent content in the wake of last week’s shooting at a Connecticut elementary school.

Galt2009 on December 19, 2012 at 6:27 PM

And now a Common Sense Moment with “Kiss My Glock” Nugent!
(sarc)

NUGENT: Connecticut killings a result of moral decay
Government can’t fix culture of contempt

-By Ted Nugent

The Washington Time
Tuesday 18 2012
***************

There’s something terribly wrong. Something stinks. Something is rotten in America.

Something is causing young loners to pick up guns and slaughter people.

Cops, psychologists, sociologists, politicians and various other talking heads will jabber incessantly about why they think a young man snapped and killed a bunch of bubbly young children who were looking forward to Santa Claus.

They will offer their opinions on what they think can be done to stop future psychotics from committing mass murder. They all will be guessing.

Some blabbermouths already are using the Connecticut school massacre to promote their anti-gun agenda even though more gun laws won’t prevent a psychotic from getting a gun and killing us.

Others will say we need even more security in schools. While this may be true, other mass slaughters have occurred at restaurants, shopping malls, churches and movie theaters. Violence can strike anywhere at any time.

Some will argue we don’t have enough mental health treatment programs, while others will argue that we can’t violate the privacy and civil liberties of the mentally ill.

Others will blame video and computer games and the entertainment industry. They will argue that a constant stream of graphic violence turns some disconnected young men into bug-eyed, raving lunatics who commit mass murders.

They will all be scratching around the margins of the problem, possibly afraid to admit the truth, rather than cutting to the heart of the matter.

The heart of the matter is that our Humpty Dumpty culture has taken a great fall.

Like an iceberg, we only periodically see the psychotic manifestation, the tip of our shattered culture, but what lies just beneath the surface is a gigantic cultural cancer that is rotting America from within.

The ugly and dangerous truth is that we live in an embarrassing, politically correct culture that exalts and rejoices in the bizarre; aggressively promotes an “anything goes” value system; and vilifies, condemns and mocks traditional societal values and customs at every opportunity.

We’ve embraced a culture of contempt that attacks the very institutions that make for a healthy and strong society, and then we’re shocked when it spirals out of control. The only thing I’m shocked about is that anybody is shocked.

More laws and more restrictions won’t fix our culture. The problem we face is much deeper and more insidious. What ails us is a spiritual bankruptcy of cultural values that actually matter. More laws and restrictions can’t cure that.

Until we admit what’s at the heart of the matter, we will continue to put a Band-Aid on gaping wounds and try to convince ourselves we’ve done something meaningful.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/18/connecticut-killings-a-result-of-moral-decay/

Story Continues →
Page:2

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/18/connecticut-killings-a-result-of-moral-decay/?page=2

canopfor on December 18, 2012 at 11:38 PM

canopfor on December 19, 2012 at 6:28 PM

As McDonnell pointed out, there is always a knee-jerk reaction against the idea that more guns lead to less crime,

well i too used to get confused about that. saying “more guns = less crime” sounds strange, and people need to explain that more to others.

but yeah there need to be a few armed people at every school. at least one per hallway/ section/ wing of the school. and one in the main office.

Sachiko on December 19, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Perhaps I’m succumbing to the same sort of nihilism that drives all the “Let It Burn” posts on this site, but a part of me would almost welcome the absurd scenario that appears to be the ultimate wet dream for you gun people out there: a mad shooter starts up at a crowded shopping mall, prompting one or more concealed-carriers to whip it out and start exchanging rounds. Gee, what could go wrong there?

Do we really have to experience a melee like this before you people abandon this idiotic “solution” of putting more guns in schools?

Drew Lowell on December 19, 2012 at 6:29 PM

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canopfor on December 19, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Galt2009 on December 19, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Israeli teachers aren’t armed. They have armed security and soldiers sometimes accompany school trips but notion that Israeli teachers are armed is false. There are no guns in Israeli classrooms.

lexhamfox on December 19, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Explain this image then:

An elementary school in Israel
http://3-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/www.powerlineblog.com/admin/ed-assets/2012/12/580x424xIsrael-copy-600×439.jpg.pagespeed.ic.xu_Ri1dYRW.jpg

Epic fail on your part – sorry to have to do that to you, but I take umbrage at folks who want to destroy liberty.

Galt2009 on December 19, 2012 at 6:32 PM

Drew Lowell on December 19, 2012 at 6:29 PM

There weren’t any guns in schools. That was the problem.

BetseyRoss on December 19, 2012 at 6:32 PM

As a former teacher, I don’t know if I would want to be the one to carry in a school. Not a gun owner, but in the past few years I have been forced into the realm of considering it.

BetseyRoss on December 19, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Anybody who isn’t sure they would be able to carry and/or is unwilling to do the necessary training and practice shouldn’t be carrying. In all seriousness, I’m afraid that there are people out there right now buying weapons despite the fact they have no business with a weapon. BUT, I think allowing teachers to carry should at least be considered instead of rejected out-of-hand like the left wants.

Happy Nomad on December 19, 2012 at 6:34 PM

CRISIS AVERTED….HOPEY/Changey kicking the can…down the road,
….along with the Budget,Fiscal Cliff,Oil PipeLine,and ad nausem
(sarc)
——

Reuters Top News ‏@Reuters

Obama promises gun control action early next year http://reut.rs/U88OBe
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Obama promises gun control action early next year
ASHINGTON | Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:10pm EST

(Reuters) – President Barack Obama vowed to press for tighter gun laws early next year, as he sought to turn national outrage over the Connecticut school massacre into action to ban assault weapons and ensure better background checks on gun buyers.
(More….)
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/19/us-usa-guns-obama-idUSBRE8BI0ID20121219

canopfor on December 19, 2012 at 6:36 PM

Do we really have to experience a melee like this before you people abandon this idiotic “solution” of putting more guns in schools?

Drew Lowell on December 19, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Dear gun and Constitution hating maggot:

Responsible gun owners wouldn’t end up in the scenerio you suggest and there are more than a few instances where the opposite proved to be the case. Moreover you talk about putting more guns in schools. How many guns were in Sandy Hook Elementary? How’d that work out for those 26 victims?

But thanks for playing.

Happy Nomad on December 19, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Galt2009 on December 19, 2012 at 6:25 PM

I think the backlash is beginning. Manchin is in full cya mode.

West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, who suggested earlier in the week that the time had come for some gun control restrictions, said on Wednesday that he’s “not supporting a ban on anything” and he repeatedly defended and praised the NRA.

I went in person to my rep’s office today (TX-22) and he said the phones have been ringing off the hook in all 3 local offices and the DC office. Mostly about the 2A but about also getting rid of Boehner which was nice to hear. He said there had also been calls from Democrats who were against a gun ban.

TxAnn56 on December 19, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Galt2009 on December 19, 2012 at 6:32 PM

I can’t speak for the picture. I can tell what the law is in Israel about who can be armed and how they defend schools. Israeli teachers aren’t armed.

lexhamfox on December 19, 2012 at 6:39 PM

canopfor on December 19, 2012 at 6:36 PM

Loved the look on the rat-eared wonder’s face today when Tapper asked why he didn’t do anything about gun control before now.

Happy Nomad on December 19, 2012 at 6:40 PM

in the short term, hows about we look at securing these schools with doors that will keep these aholes out in the future.

Sandy Hook had those, Lanza shot out a window and climbed through it.

Armed teachers are like armed airline pilots — they’re there in case everything else fails.

Socratease on December 19, 2012 at 6:41 PM

A conservative Republican? Who woulda thunk it. After the Bush/Christie/Jindal/Rubio RINO stampede out of the gates for 2016, this is very refreshing to hear.

sauldalinsky on December 19, 2012 at 6:41 PM

Three Reasons Gun Control Isn’t Going to Happen
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/19/3-reasons-gun-control-isnt-going-to-happen

In the immediate aftermath of Friday’s terrible tragedy in Connecticut, there have been the predictable calls to enact new gun control legislation. The usual proponents of additional restrictions on guns have filled the airwaves with calls for immediate legislative action.

But, there are three very big reasons to believe that, for all the rhetoric, nothing will come of this new push for gun control.

1. Biden Gun Violence Task Force

Task forces are also effective ways to slow down a push for legislation. Legislators can defer taking action while the task force completes its “review” of the issue. Its a very convenient way to kick an issue down the road until after the immediate emotions have cooled.

2. 2014 Mid-Term Elections

3. Obama’s Press Conference Today

Obama announced his gun task force at a press conference this afternoon. The tragedy in Connecticut has dominated the news cycle for the past six days. There have been innumerable stories on the shooting and the prospects for new gun control legislation. Yet, the very first question out of the White House press corps was on…the fiscal cliff. In fact, except for two quick questions at the end, every question at the presser was on the fiscal cliff.

The chief challenge for gun control advocates is that it isn’t at all clear that their proposals would have prevented to shooting at Sandy Hook. The current proposals being discussed have been on gun control wish-lists for decades and don’t have any specific application to the events in Newtown.

Obama’s press conference today marked the zenith of the new push for gun control. Its momentum will fade as the raw emotions around the shooting recede. With it, the appetite for new gun control laws will fall away. Obama’s task force is recognition of that.

Galt2009 on December 19, 2012 at 6:42 PM

the ultimate wet dream for you gun people out there

Drew Lowell on December 19, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Please define “you gun people” for us dumb conservatives.

I’m sure you would call me a “gun person” based on my posts re. the Newtown tragedy and how your side of the aisle has shamelessly exploited it for political means.

In fact, I finished getting all of my NRA Marksman ratings before I got my driver’s license. But I have never owned a gun in my life.

But should I decide someday to get a gun, please tell me what gives you the right to say that I have no right to own such a weapon?

That’s the kind of thinking that gave us Hitler and Stalin and Chairman Mao.

F-

Del Dolemonte on December 19, 2012 at 6:42 PM

West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, who suggested earlier in the week that the time had come for some gun control restrictions, said on Wednesday that he’s “not supporting a ban on anything” and he repeatedly defended and praised the NRA.

TxAnn56 on December 19, 2012 at 6:38 PM

I was curious how his comments would play in WV. And BTW Manchin was talking about banning stuff and attacking the NRA no matter what he says now. The Second Amendment is not about the right to hunt. People need to remember that.

Happy Nomad on December 19, 2012 at 6:42 PM

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canopfor on December 19, 2012 at 6:43 PM

MechanicalBill on December 19, 2012 at 6:13 PM

in hindsight 9/11 should not have happened…unlocked cockpit doors, transponders that were in plain sight such that a flick of a switch lets a plane headed from “point A” to “point B” all of a sudden ends up crashing into “point D”?

you are correct…those stupid mistakes have cost us a lot of money and lives…somehow we can’t connect the dots so we will go through the whole process again in the wake of these school shootings.

in both cases the signs were hiding in plain sight. perhaps we think we are better than every other country and we only deal with stuff after the fact.

teejk on December 19, 2012 at 6:43 PM

I don’t agree with mandating a certain number within each school. I’d rather see merely NOT BARRING teachers from carrying concealed if they choose to. Just as in going to the store here in Virginia, you never know who is and who isn’t. It should be the same way in schools and other venues.

If a shooter is going to recon a target, which several of these scum have done, knowing for sure who is armed my be considered in planning.

One thing for sure, the press needs to stop glamorizing these POS after the deed is done. We should hear their name once or twice and never speak it again. Also no pictures of them.

TugboatPhil on December 19, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Perhaps I’m succumbing to the same sort of nihilism that drives all the “Let It Burn” posts on this site, but a part of me would almost welcome the absurd scenario that appears to be the ultimate wet dream for you gun people out there: a mad shooter starts up at a crowded shopping mall, prompting one or more concealed-carriers to whip it out and start exchanging rounds. Gee, what could go wrong there?

Do we really have to experience a melee like this before you people abandon this idiotic “solution” of putting more guns in schools?

Drew Lowell on December 19, 2012 at 6:29 PM

one of the other people in the mall could take out their gun and kill the shooter and stop him from killing more innocents… ever thought of that??

Sachiko on December 19, 2012 at 6:44 PM

e ultimate wet dream for you gun people out there: a mad shooter starts up at a crowded shopping mall, prompting one or more concealed-carriers to whip it out and start exchanging rounds. Gee, what could go wrong there?

But that’s not how they go down. The last mass shooter at a mall had a permit holder pointing a gun back at him. The guy didn’t take the shot because there was movement behind the shooter. But the shooters next shot was to his own head after he saw that resistance You should get your permit so you won’t need to speak out of ignorance.

MechanicalBill on December 19, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Why don’t we just make it unlawful to kill more than one person at a time.

Then, if we lock up all the weird kids in school, that should just about be it.

All fixed.

[Yes, sarcasm intentional. Overstatement intentional. But, not far off.]

IndieDogg on December 19, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Galt2009 on December 19, 2012 at 6:32 PM

lexhamfox on December 19, 2012 at 6:39 PM

The point is that those kids are being guarded with guns.

BTW, can you tell me How taking away someone’s right of self-defense protects them?

Galt2009 on December 19, 2012 at 6:47 PM

I don’t think it’s a good idea to require teachers to be armed. Just drop the phony “gun-free zone” BS and allow volunteers to carry if they satisfy objective and relevant requirements. I don’t know how many will, but neither will the crazies who look at a school today and see a free-fire zone.

Socratease on December 19, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Can’t wait for the hysteria on the left this will trigger.

rbj on December 19, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Pretty much all you need to know about whether an idea is right or not. Will it enrage the left or not?

Heck…. you could be a conservative member of congress in a complete coma, laying in a gurney next to your vote button. They are able to wake you before each vote and simply tell you “The left hates this bill. The left loves this bill”

That info alone would tell you all you needed to know about whether to vote for or against the bill.

JellyToast on December 19, 2012 at 6:48 PM

Gun killings with rifles during the Federal AWB and since

1995 – 637
1996 – 561
1997 – 638
1998 – 548
1999 – 400
2000 – 396
2001 – 386
2002 – 486
2003 – 392
2004 – 403
2005 – 442
2006 – 438
2007 – 453
2008 – 380
2009 – 351
2010 – 358
2011 – 323

right from the FBI – http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr

rayra on December 19, 2012 at 6:48 PM

I was curious how his comments would play in WV. And BTW Manchin was talking about banning stuff and attacking the NRA no matter what he says now. The Second Amendment is not about the right to hunt. People need to remember that.

Happy Nomad on December 19, 2012 at 6:42 PM

He’s another finger in the wind politician. I imagine the good people of WV gave his office an earful. This is exactly why you haven’t heard 2014 re-elects like Landrieu (LA) Begich (AK) Hagan (NC) Johnson (SD), etc. say a word.

TxAnn56 on December 19, 2012 at 6:49 PM

BTW, can you tell me How taking away someone’s right of self-defense protects them?

Remember when Obama said he didn’t care if fleecing the rich made economic sense, making everything more equitable was more important?

Same philosophy applied to guns.

Socratease on December 19, 2012 at 6:50 PM

canopfor on December 19, 2012 at 6:36 PM

Loved the look on the rat-eared wonder’s face today when Tapper asked why he didn’t do anything about gun control before now.

Happy Nomad on December 19, 2012 at 6:40 PM

Happy Nomand:)

Yup,and just like the ARB Report,Hopey is a …

….CatOstrophic Failure of All Systems!
(sarc)

canopfor on December 19, 2012 at 6:50 PM

When do we deport that jackazz?
JPeterman on December 19, 2012 at 6:22 PM

If CNN wishes to gain even a smidgen of credibility back they’d fire this douche bag immediately. Nothing more offensive then being lectured by a red coat who stands on dead children to gain his perceived moral high ground. He’s right to there with Chrissy Pissy Mathews and Keith Olberbiteme as the most disgraceful “journalists” in America.

jawkneemusic on December 19, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Heck…. you could be a conservative member of congress in a complete coma, laying in a gurney next to your vote button. They are able to wake you before each vote and simply tell you “The left hates this bill. The left loves this bill”

That info alone would tell you all you needed to know about whether to vote for or against the bill.

I always figured Jimmy Carter was the gold standard for that evaluation.

Socratease on December 19, 2012 at 6:53 PM

a mad shooter starts up at a crowded shopping mall, prompting one or more concealed-carriers to whip it out and start exchanging rounds. Gee, what could go wrong there?

Do we really have to experience a melee like this before you people abandon this idiotic “solution” of putting more guns in schools?

Drew Lowell on December 19, 2012 at 6:29 PM

You mean like this????

Media blackout: Oregon mall shooter was stopped by an armed citizen

JPeterman on December 19, 2012 at 6:54 PM

As McDonnell pointed out, there is always a knee-jerk reaction against the idea that more guns lead to less crime, but the areas in which these mass shootings have been taking place being “gun-free zones” has not accomplished anything in deterring crime.

After the 1997 shooting of 16 kids in Dunblane, Scotland, the United Kingdom passed one of the strictest gun-control laws in the world, banning its citizens from owning almost all types of handguns. In the “Do Something/Absolute Shall” minds, Britain seemed to get safer by the minute, as 162,000 newly-illegal firearms were forked over to British officials by law-abiding citizens. But, this didn’t decrease the amount of gun-related crime in the U.K.and it certainly did NOTHING but cause overall crime to absolutely skyrocket.

The gun ban did not lower the overall murder rate, per se. In 1996, there were 584 murders in the UK. The following year, there were 650. Five years later, there were 1,048 homicides. In the UK, the murder rate has now dropped to its lowest rate in 29 years. Is it because of the gun ban? Some might claim so, but then let them explain why the murder rate in the United States has dropped to the lowest rate since Charles Whitman, who, unbeknownst to anyone, had a malignant brain tumour that would have killed him before the year was out, went to The Tower at the University of Texas, a “gun-free zone,” and killed 13 people — the first target was actually an 8-month old unborn foetus, who was killed although not counted (that should make pro-aborts happy) — and wounded 32 others with an arsenal that included a M-1 carbine, a Remington 700 6mm bolt-action hunting rifle, a .35 calibre pump rifle, a .30 calibre carbine, a 9mm Luger pistol, a 12 gauge semi-automatic sawed-off shotgun, a Galesi-Brescia .25-calibre pistol, a Smith & Wesson M19, a .357 Magnum revolver, and over 700 rounds of ammunition — arsenals and semi-automatics are not some new phenomenon, obviously.

In 2006, the murder rate in the US 5.7 per 100,000 and was only 1.25 per 100,000 in the UK. Yes, the United States had — and does have — a high murder rate, but that doesn’t tell the whole story on whether it has a more violent society than the UK or, at least, it shouldn’t. In that same year, there were 92,455 reported rapes in the US, which had a population of 299.4 million, or 30.88 per 100,000 residents. In contrast, there were 85,000 reported in the UK, which had a population of 60.409 million. As a result, the rape rate in the UK was 140.71. Murder and rape are two violent crimes that are looked at in tandem as two leading indicators of a society’s penchant for and tolerance of violence. Before we allow Piers Morgan to condemn the US because of the murder rate, he must be made to explain the rape rate in the UK, as well as the massive increase in gun crime after the ban and the skyrocketing jump in the overall crime rate.

Between 1998 and 2009, gun crime in the UK increased 89%. The UK has a higher overall violent crime rate than the United States and even South Africa – widely considered one of the world’s most dangerous countries. In the 12 years following the gun ban, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77% to 1.158 million – or more than two every minute.

By contrast, the US had a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents and South Africa’s rate was 1,677.

In 2010, in the United States the total number of crimes reported was 10,329,135. 1,246,248 of those were violent crimes and 9,082,887 were property crimes. The US population in 2010 was 308,745,538; thus, the per capita rates for both types of crimes were: 0.404% and 2.94%.

In 2010, in the United Kingdom, the total number of crimes reported was 9.718 million. 3.808 million of those were violent crimes and 5.91 million were property crimes. The UK population in 2010 was 62,262,000; thus, the per capita rates for both types of crimes were: 6.12% and 9.49%.

Continue reading to see what happen to knife crime and stabbings in the UK after the gun ban:

Gun Bans: Mad Dogs & Englishmen

M2RB: Leon Russell

Resist We Much on December 19, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Drew Lowell on December 19, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Fool, responsible gun owners know when and when not to take a shot. See the Clackamas mall shooting for example.

jawkneemusic on December 19, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Galt2009 on December 19, 2012 at 6:32 PM

lexhamfox on December 19, 2012 at 6:39 PM

The point is that those kids are being guarded with guns.

BTW, can you tell me How taking away someone’s right of self-defense protects them?

Galt2009 on December 19, 2012 at 6:47 PM

I think there is a good argument to have armed guards at schools. I just find it annoying that people are promoting that picture and saying that Israeli teachers are armed. It simply isn’t true. I would be very careful advocating Israeli style gun control because the laws there much stricter than they are anywhere in the US.

lexhamfox on December 19, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Nothing more offensive then being lectured by a red coat who stands on dead children to gain his perceived moral high ground. He’s right to there with Chrissy Pissy Mathews and Keith Olberbiteme as the most disgraceful “journalists” in America.

jawkneemusic on December 19, 2012 at 6:52 PM

You mean lectured by a fraud, right?

Daily Mirror editor Piers Morgan has been sacked after the newspaper conceded photos of British soldiers abusing an Iraqi were fake.

JPeterman on December 19, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Just saw on local news that one of our schools did an active shooter crisis response exercise with the local police. They were real proud that they can get a response team to the school in twelve to sixteen minutes.
Most of these shooting situations are over and done with in less than fifteen minutes. So what good the response? Another instance where the school really needs someone armed in place.

mjzman on December 19, 2012 at 7:00 PM

MeanWhile,we go back to…………..

September 20, 2012
Why does Homeland Security need 1.4 billion rounds of ammunition?
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http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/09/why_does_homeland_security_need_14_billion_rounds_of_ammunition.html

canopfor on December 19, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Galt2009 on December 19, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Lexham just wants to make sure you know that he is smarter than you. That one is one pompous squish jack arse.

CW on December 19, 2012 at 7:04 PM

MeanWhile…….Tingles has another Tantrum….

Mediaite ‏@mediaite

Matthews: ‘How Do You Stop’ People from Going To ‘Idiot’ Movies For ‘Thrill’ Of Seeing People Killed? http://www.mediaite.com/tv/matthews-how-do-you-stop-people-from-going-to-idiot-movies-for-thrill-of-seeing-people-killed/ … (VIDEO)
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http://www.mediaite.com/tv/matthews-how-do-you-stop-people-from-going-to-idiot-movies-for-thrill-of-seeing-people-killed/

canopfor on December 19, 2012 at 7:05 PM

BTW, can you tell me How taking away someone’s right of self-defense protects them?

Galt2009 on December 19, 2012 at 6:47 PM

lexhamfox on December 19, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Care to answer that?

Galt2009 on December 19, 2012 at 7:07 PM

Galt2009 on December 19, 2012 at 6:25 PM

I think the backlash is beginning. Manchin is in full cya mode.

West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, who suggested earlier in the week that the time had come for some gun control restrictions, said on Wednesday that he’s “not supporting a ban on anything” and he repeatedly defended and praised the NRA.

I went in person to my rep’s office today (TX-22) and he said the phones have been ringing off the hook in all 3 local offices and the DC office. Mostly about the 2A but about also getting rid of Boehner which was nice to hear. He said there had also been calls from Democrats who were against a gun ban.

TxAnn56 on December 19, 2012 at 6:38 PM

The winds that catch the attention of the Moro.. low information voter are a fleetin..

Of course they will just patiently wait for the next massacre that is the result of their insane oppressive polices.

Galt2009 on December 19, 2012 at 7:10 PM

Galt2009 on December 19, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Lexham just wants to make sure you know that he is smarter than you. That one is one pompous squish jack arse.

CW on December 19, 2012 at 7:04 PM

Yes, it’s curious that she can’t answer the question on how people are protected when their self-defense rights are taken away.

Galt2009 on December 19, 2012 at 7:12 PM

You mean like this????

Media blackout: Oregon mall shooter was stopped by an armed citizen

JPeterman on December 19, 2012 at 6:54 PM

And also this

Gun Owner Saves Lives In The Richmond VA Golden Market Shooting

F15Mech on December 19, 2012 at 7:13 PM

Just about all Israelis are required to serve in the military after the age of 18 and they often take their guns home.

CW on December 19, 2012 at 7:13 PM

As a former teacher, I don’t know if I would want to be the one to carry in a school. Not a gun owner, but in the past few years I have been forced into the realm of considering it.

BetseyRoss on December 19, 2012 at 6:25 PM

I had a long term substitute position in a local school 2 years ago. I had just resigned from my mental health caseworker job of 8 years and was working back in the school system within a week. I’ve since gone on to other things.. but it was really wonderful to be so fortunate to land a long term sub position so quickly.

However… this gun thing is part of a larger problem in our schools. It is just a larger part of the whole zero tolerance for weapons/ anti-bullying thing that has crept and expanded and polluted our schools like a cancer.

Gun free schools and zero tolerance for “weapons” (expelling kids for carrying nail clippers, army men or even drawing a gun in art class). Then you have the assault on victims of bullying. Yes… the assault on the victims of bullying in our schools.

In the old days if there was a fight in the school between two kids.. teachers most likely would have dealt with the one who started it and let the other kid alone. I saw fights handled like this many times growing up.
Now.. when I had my long term sub position.. I listened to the principle (a very good man by the way) basically tell the children that if they were attacked by a bully they had to fall into a fetal position and not hit back! If they hit back they would be expelled just like the one who assaulted them!

Here’s the dirty little secret about zero tolerance and anti-bullying policies. They only target the innocent.

Again.. because of our broken mental health system in America… if you have a MH diagnosis you have a “get out of jail free” card when it comes to zero tolerance and anti-bullying polices.
When I was teaching in my school… I pulled scissors out of the hands of a student … a student who ran and grabbed those scissors as he was yelling “I’m going to cut all of your heads off!” This was done in the presence of several witnesses… and why was he not thrown out of school? Because he had a mental illness! This same student had attacked students in the past as well as other teachers… but could not be thrown out of school because he was a student with a mental illness.Now some other student.. who wasn’t diagnosed with a MH illness… he brings by accident a butter knife to school in his lunch bag.. he gets thrown out and suspended.

We’ve all heard these stories. And when you hear them about little girls and boys being suspended because they were found with a butter knife by accident in the lunches or a pocket knife they left in their coat pocket.. or they throw some kid to the ground because they are pushing into a corner on the playground for the 29th times repeatedly being assaulted by some bully.. and finally they get fed up and throw the kid to the ground and they they are the ones suspended… what do all these victims of zero tolerance have in common? The don’t have a mental illness!

The dirty secret again is.. if you have a mental illness you can do whatever you want in schools and get away with it! And who are the ones these bullies are picking on repeatedly.. kids who don’t have a mental illness. They target the children who can’t protect themselves because of they do the get suspended!

All of this is a much much part of a larger problem in our schools. The MH system in America is producing violent people and enabling violent people! They are not being treated! They are being protected! Enabled! By a government system designed for that very thing!

And when bad things happen as a result of the failed policies of liberals trying to normalize mental illness they blame the victims!

JellyToast on December 19, 2012 at 7:24 PM

JPeterman on December 19, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Yup, I’ve been posting that link all over Twitter and any blog I can where that grease ball is being discussed.

jawkneemusic on December 19, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Even if you had only the highest qualified, one or two, teachers or administrators armed, you could take down the foolish “gun free zone” signs and replace them with “we have armed security on duty” signs. I kinda think that would make a difference.

PaCadle on December 19, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Whether Israeli teachers are armed or not is surrounded by bullshit, there are plenty of accounts of pali dogs invading schools and other educational gathering places and getting their butts shot off by Israelis, so good enough.
And there is no arguing that Thailand did not arm teachers in their southern jihad zone.

rayra on December 19, 2012 at 7:28 PM

I don’t see this happening, at all. People will freak.

changer1701 on December 19, 2012 at 7:28 PM

You mean like this????

Media blackout: Oregon mall shooter was stopped by an armed citizen

JPeterman on December 19, 2012 at 6:54 PM

And also this

Gun Owner Saves Lives In The Richmond VA Golden Market Shooting

F15Mech on December 19, 2012 at 7:13 PM

And, this one:

Sunday: Armed, Off-Duty Cop Prevents San Antonio Movie Theater Shooting

Resist We Much on December 19, 2012 at 7:36 PM

Perhaps I’m succumbing to the same sort of nihilism that drives all the “Let It Burn” posts on this site, but a part of me would almost welcome the absurd scenario that appears to be the ultimate wet dream for you gun people out there: a mad shooter starts up at a crowded shopping mall, prompting one or more concealed-carriers to whip it out and start exchanging rounds. Gee, what could go wrong there?

Do we really have to experience a melee like this before you people abandon this idiotic “solution” of putting more guns in schools?

Drew Lowell on December 19, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Ignorant dipshit, your mocking scenario has already happened, 12days ago in Portland. Confronted by a CCW holder, the would-be mass shooter ceased his attack, fled, then killed himself.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2012/12/16/virtually-unreported-ccw-holder-likely-prevented-larger-clackamas-mall-d

rayra on December 19, 2012 at 7:36 PM

The dirty secret again is.. if you have a mental illness you can do whatever you want in schools and get away with it! And who are the ones these bullies are picking on repeatedly.. kids who don’t have a mental illness. They target the children who can’t protect themselves because of if they do the they get suspended!

I screwed that last part up and had to fix it.

But it is worth repeating. I think many people do not realize this.

Just as the MH system in America is protecting violent people living in our communities… violent people who need long term hospitalization… and would have gotten in 40 years ago, the MH system is also protecting violent children in our school system.

JellyToast on December 19, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Perhaps I’m succumbing to the same sort of nihilism that drives all the “Let It Burn” posts on this site, but a part of me would almost welcome the absurd scenario that appears to be the ultimate wet dream for you gun people out there: a mad shooter starts up at a crowded shopping mall, prompting one or more concealed-carriers to whip it out and start exchanging rounds. Gee, what could go wrong there?

Drew Lowell

You might be stopped in the mall shooting you’re planning? Seriously, what is wrong with people like you?

xblade on December 19, 2012 at 7:41 PM

And, this one:

Sunday: Armed, Off-Duty Cop Prevents San Antonio Movie Theater Shooting

Resist We Much on December 19, 2012 at 7:36 PM

So we now have to go to the “Hollywood Gossip” for our news? LOL

JPeterman on December 19, 2012 at 7:44 PM

It has been EIGHT years since the mass murder of children at Beslan. And we have done next to nothing to prepare to prevent such a thing here on US soil. And the jihadists KNOW it. Yet here we are, letting our destructive leftist cowards prevent us from protecting our children (and ourselves), even now. Feinstein et al planning a new ban that GUTS 100yrs of firearm development as ‘unnecessary’, while pretending it isn’t a gross infringement of our 2nd Amendment rights.
Meanwhile the Democrat Party of Death cheers and defends over 1 MILLION abortions per year in the United States.
Meanwhile the Democrat Party of Death perpetuates their Jim Crow laws, preventing inner-city blacks from arming themselves against the predations of the Democrat Party’s footsoldiers – the feral youth of a black culture shattered by Johnson’s Great Society garbage.
Meanwhile the Democrat Party of Death does nothing to stop the nuclear missile programs of Iran and the Norks, and promises the Russians we’ll unilaterally disarm.
Meanwhile the Democrat Party of Death impoverishes us all, while attacking our energy and food supplies and the jobs we all need to pay every increasing prices for things we must have.

rayra on December 19, 2012 at 7:49 PM

You mean like this????

Media blackout: Oregon mall shooter was stopped by an armed citizen

JPeterman on December 19, 2012 at 6:54 PM

And also this

Gun Owner Saves Lives In The Richmond VA Golden Market Shooting

F15Mech on December 19, 2012 at 7:13 PM

And, this one:

Sunday: Armed, Off-Duty Cop Prevents San Antonio Movie Theater Shooting

Resist We Much on December 19, 2012 at 7:36 PM

…and THAT is what pisses me off more than anything!

KOOLAID2 on December 19, 2012 at 7:54 PM

So we now have to go to the “Hollywood Gossip” for our news? LOL

JPeterman on December 19, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Go Google it, lazybones.

MelonCollie on December 19, 2012 at 7:56 PM

BTW, can you tell me How taking away someone’s right of self-defense protects them?

Galt2009 on December 19, 2012 at 6:47 PM

lexhamfox on December 19, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Care to answer that?

Galt2009 on December 19, 2012 at 7:07 PM

I think people have the right to defend themselves. I think employers have the right to decide whether employees can bring their arms to work.

lexhamfox on December 19, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Yes, it’s curious that she can’t answer the question on how people are protected when their self-defense rights are taken away.

Galt2009 on December 19, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Not as curious as you advocating Israeli gun laws in the US.

Do you think Israelis are well protected even though the vast majority aren’t allowed guns and even when they are they are only allowed limited ammo?

lexhamfox on December 19, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Perhaps I’m succumbing to the same sort of nihilism that drives all the “Let It Burn” posts on this site, but a part of me would almost welcome the absurd scenario that appears to be the ultimate wet dream for you gun people out there: a mad shooter starts up at a crowded shopping mall, prompting one or more concealed-carriers to whip it out and start exchanging rounds. Gee, what could go wrong there?

Do we really have to experience a melee like this before you people abandon this idiotic “solution” of putting more guns in schools?

Drew Lowell on December 19, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Ah yes, the Argumentum Ad Wild Westum. Gotta love it.

Explain why nearly every one of these incidents occurs in a place where a gun ban exists but is not enforced? Do you really think this is accidental?

Explain why society doesn’t devolve into your pictured scenario outside of so-called ‘gun-free zones’?

People like you (who refuse to consider the facts) are the problem. Get past your emotions and your imagination and think.

Here, I have one for you: a mad shooter with a couple of semi-autos and tons of ammo starts shooting up a crowded school, shooting and moving freely and uncontested throughout the premises for a good 5-10 minutes until the police arrive. Meanwhile, the school staff is armed with, I don’t know, harsh words and possibly a double-leg takedown. WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

These shooters have 2 main goals: 1- rack up a high body count, 2- go out on their own terms. It’s their way of saying, FU, I Win, You Lose.

The most likely scenario with armed personnel on premises is that the shooter simply won’t show up. They know they won’t be able to rack up the kill count, and they are absolutely terrified of failing (getting stopped), just like they’ve failed in every other aspect of their lives.

Return fire, if it doesn’t kill them, will make them take cover, run, or turn the gun on themselves.

Despite what the media reports about video games, these guys aren’t looking for a lively, competitive, real-life bout of Counter-Strike: Source. They are looking for a one-sided slaughter, and they’re getting it, thanks to terrible policy.

rightmind on December 19, 2012 at 8:54 PM

If schools weren’t the teacher hating pits they’ve become, I would say, good idea for those who’d go above & beyond to be trained, like perhaps a deputy.
But parents these days are nothing but worthless $hithead$.
This year, after 11 years of teaching, I have been verbally assaulted by a parent twice.
I guess that’s actually probably not bad.
But I teach in a very rural area.
And guess what? These are people from other states who don’t play nice with others.
And considering our sue-happy culture, forget it.
I have ideas in mind for each of my classrooms in reacting to a situation. It’s all I can do.
But since I’m the chemistry teacher, I’ve got some things at my disposal others do not have.
Kids are nasty little creatures. And they love to tattle, just like nasty adults.
I can hear it now. Instead of ‘Mommy! Mrs Badger40 is HAAAAARD! And she hates my & that’s why I’m flunking her class” it’ll be “Mrs Badger40 showed me her GUN & raised her voice at me! She’s going to kill me!”
Yeah, no thanks.
I know I probably won’t die in a bad situation.
Bcs I actually pay attention to what’s going on around me.

Badger40 on December 19, 2012 at 9:02 PM

I just want to point out this evening, that when I was a young lady, very few women went to boot camp, and we had a funny movie called Private Benjamin, but mostly we liked the part where she was flunking out of boot camp.

But today’s young ladies are going to boot camp, and staying in the service, and coming out able to defend their moms and sisters, and it seems like, some of the wimpy men too. I can see our lady veterans asked to be the plain clothes woman at our local school, and feeling like if she were armed, she would be competent.

I work in a field where occasionally we have had to think about contact with the public, so we thought about Columbine, and my boss said, “everyone do what your conscience requires.” For many heroes it is to protect someone else, to hide them. I think if we say no to armed protection at our schools, we are saying to women who work with the young people, you will have to use your body to protect them.

Many colleges today have veterans right there in the student body. Why overlook this source of protection for college students. Any man or woman discharged properly from the military ought to be able to protect other students on campus, and I think it would be a great honor to do it.

Fleuries on December 19, 2012 at 9:46 PM

I teach Latin in a high school where we always have at least one, usually two police officers there on duty. We also have some big, intimidating, intelligent administrators who are great if anything goes wrong. I would feel very comfortable if the latter had guns and were trained to use them.

Tzetzes on December 19, 2012 at 11:47 PM

As McDonnell pointed out, there is always a knee-jerk reaction against the idea that more guns lead to less crime

Not in the right-wing blogosphere it isn’t. Here the knee-jerk reaction is that guns should be more prevalent.

Nonfactor on December 19, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Perhaps I’m succumbing to the same sort of nihilism that drives all the “Let It Burn” posts on this site, but a part of me would almost welcome the absurd scenario that appears to be the ultimate wet dream for you gun people out there: a mad shooter starts up at a crowded shopping mall, prompting one or more concealed-carriers to whip it out and start exchanging rounds. Gee, what could go wrong there?

Do we really have to experience a melee like this before you people abandon this idiotic “solution” of putting more guns in schools?

Drew Lowell on December 19, 2012 at 6:29 PM

.
We have more faith in each other’s ability to react and behave properly with our concealed weapon (like an off-duty Police Officer), than you do.

Hell, I wouldn’t doubt that we (us gun nuts) have more faith in you, to react and behave properly with a concealed weapon (like an off-duty Police Officer), than you have in yourself.

Then again, maybe I should rethink that last part . . . . .

listens2glenn on December 20, 2012 at 12:12 AM

I think people have the right to defend themselves.

lexhamfox on December 19, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Then you don’t advocate gun control – that’s nice to know.

Galt2009 on December 20, 2012 at 8:42 AM

If guns don’t help protect people, then why do cops carry guns? I mean, are we just burdening police with a dangerous piece of equipment that’s more likely to kill an officer than a criminal? Don’t cops having guns just make it easier for some deranged nutcase to overpower the cop and take their weapon?

hawksruleva on December 20, 2012 at 9:47 AM

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