Boehner warns Obama: If you veto our Plan B bill, the automatic tax hikes on January 1 are all on you; Update: House to vote even if bill is doomed?
posted at 5:13 pm on December 19, 2012 by Allahpundit
This is a leverage ploy, right? The House passes Plan B, Reid kills it in the Senate, and then Boehner gets to say, “We did what Democrats wanted by taxing millionaires and they still prefer to go over the cliff.” But … what if it doesn’t even pass the House? Then Democrats get to turn around and say that the GOP caucus won’t even agree to tax the rich when it’s their own Speaker asking them to do so. As of last night, per National Journal, GOP vote counters weren’t sure that Boehner had the votes. Grover Norquist did him a favor this morning by declaring that Plan B doesn’t violate Republicans’ no-tax pledge, and this’ll help too:
Paul Ryan says he’s voting for Plan B #heygirl
— Ed Henry (@edhenryTV) December 19, 2012
Meanwhile, though, several prominent conservatives, including Rep. Tim Huelskamp, held a presser this afternoon to denounce Plan B. The Club for Growth, which has been known to spend big to defeat wayward Republicans in primaries, came out hard against the bill today, as did the lobbying arm of the Heritage Foundation. According to The Hill’s whip count, there are at least 10 House Republicans who are either leaning no or a firm no, which leaves Boehner with little margin for error if Pelosi holds her caucus together. The point here, of course, isn’t to get Obama to sign the bill, just to stick Reid with it and force Senate Democrats to defeat something from the House that would allow tax hikes on millionaires. Ideally, seeing the House line up behind Boehner would also spur Obama to up his offer on the income threshold for the new tax hikes. It’s a messaging and negotiating game, but a lot of Republicans are off-message. Even Orrin Hatch says he’d oppose the bill. At what point do the PR returns on this gambit diminish to the point where it’s no longer worth pursuing? Or have I underestimated Boehner in thinking that he’s not prepared to walk away from negotiations if/when the House does pass this thing and leave Democrats to either pass it themselves or go over the cliff?
Conn Carroll makes the case to reluctant conservatives that this is, alas, as good as it gets:
The other reality many conveniently forget to mention is that spending is also set to be cut by $1.2 trillion. Boehner’s Plan B leaves those very real spending cuts untouched. Any deal with Obama would start by undoing the scheduled $1.2 trillion in spending cuts. Already, that is $1.2 trillion in the direction of bloated government. Plus, any deal with Obama would include far greater tax hikes than Plan B would allow, at minimum about $600 billion more. That is a total of $1.8 trillion in bigger government. How could any Republican defend that vote to their conservative constituents? Plus Plan B doesn’t raise the debt limit either. Republicans can then use that to try and restructure the sequester into meaningful entitlement reform later this year.
So conservatives have a stark choice. They can vote for Boehner’s Plan B, thus preserving the $1.2 trillion in spending cuts, and cut America’s tax burden by some $4 trillion, or they can vote against the Boehner plan and allow the full $4.6 trillion tax hike to hit their constituents. There is no possible way a better deal will come out of Boehner’s negotiations with Obama.
On the other hand, if Beohner fails to pass Plan B this week, the conservative negotiating position will be completely compromised. It will be clear no deal with conservatives is possible in the House.
Ultimately the strategic argument is an argument over how you think most House Republicans would respond to public pressure to reach a deal if we go over the cliff. Dave Weigel hears from GOPers on the Hill that they think the president, not Congress, would be blamed for any recession that ensues. I’m skeptical. The media frame won’t be “the president vs. Congress,” it’ll be “Obama vs. the Republicans,” and Obama’s brand lately polls higher than the GOP’s. Obama has the bully pulpit too: If the fiscal cliff standoff dragged on deep into January, he’d have not one but two major speeches (his inaugural and the State of the Union) in which to rally the public against the Republican position. There may well be groups of conservatives out there who’d hold the line even in the teeth of that sort of messaging onslaught. The House GOP isn’t one of them.
Update: Victory through defeat?
Boehner and other GOP leaders believe that even if the measure fails, it will show President Obama that Republicans won’t vote for a “fiscal cliff” deal unless it includes significant spending cuts.
“[GOP leaders] are just now trying to come up with some raw numbers and then I’m sure there’ll be decisions after that but I think he’s going to go through with it regardless,” the lawmaker said. “It would show the president that he doesn’t even have the votes for [tax cuts] with no [spending] cuts.”
So the bet is that Obama will cave on spending rather than take us over the cliff and dare House Republicans to hold the line even as middle-class tax rates lurch upward? I’ll take that bet.
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burrata on May 16, 2013 at 10:38 PM
I did
burrata on May 16, 2013 at 10:38 PM
Ugh, this new large text makes QOTD scrolling too hard. Darn it Ed, get better eyes.
nobar on May 16, 2013 at 10:38 PM
………..think the party doesn’t reek.
Limerick on May 16, 2013 at 10:40 PM
Now is the time to proceed with care.
Liam on May 16, 2013 at 10:41 PM
OT
The difference between Cruz and Rubio…
“WASHINGTON – Texas Sens. John Cornyn and Ted Cruz have filed a number of amendments to the immigration bill being considered by a Senate committee on Thursday.
Both are pushing for more border security. Cruz wants to strip any possibility of citizenship for 11 million immigrants in the U.S. illegally. Cornyn is offering language to make it especially hard for people convicted of crimes to take advantage of the bipartisan “Gang of Eight” immigration overhaul plan.
One of Cruz’s amendment takes direct aim at that bill’s “path to citizenship” provision, the central point of contention. His change says that no person shall be eligible for citizenship who has been “willfully” in the U.S. and without legal status.
The criteria for “willfully” are not defined.
The junior senator also proposed an amendment that would triple the number of Border Patrol agents stationed along the U.S.-Mexico border and quadruple equipment, “including cameras, sensors, drones and helicopters,” within three years. And the 700 miles of border fence required by a 2006 law would need to be finished.
If the Department of Homeland Security fails to comply, 20 percent of its budget for the next year would be shifted as block grants to border states, giving state officials in Texas, Arizona, California and New Mexico more funds for their own border security efforts. One more penalty: a 20 percent salary cut for the Secretary of Homeland Security and all other political appointees at the department.
Ongoing non-compliance would cost the department another 5 percent of its budget each year.
Cornyn filed nine amendments, compared to Cruz’s five. He also hopes to amp up border security.
One Cornyn amendment authorizes hiring 5,000 more Customs and Border Protection officers. Another bars immigrants convicted of domestic violence, assault or driving under the influence from obtaining registered provisional immigrant status — the mechanism in the “Gang of Eight” bill that lifts the threat of deportation from people in the country illegally.
Another proposal would provide crime victims notice that the person convicted of a crime is being considered for an immigration waiver.
“The amendments filed today to strengthen border security and reform our legal immigration system will not only bring meaningful, effective improvements to our immigration system, but also have a chance of becoming law,” Cruz said in a press release.
Three hundred amendments to the immigration bill have been offered, mostly by opponents. More than a quarter come from Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley…”
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2013/05/immigration-bill-sen-ted-cruz-wants-to-strip-path-to-citizenship-as-he-and-sen-john-cornyn-push-more-border-enforcement.html/
Link to press release:
http://www.cruz.senate.gov/record.cfm?id=342657
workingclass artist on May 16, 2013 at 10:42 PM
The forgotten scandal:
More sickening was the fact that rules of engagement prevented suppressive fire from being aimed at the tower firing on the Chinook. Billy Vaughn, father of slain SEAL Aaron Vaughn, recalled how a three-star admiral explained this breach to the grieving families: U.S. forces couldn’t fire back, the admiral said, because “we want to win hearts and minds.” As Mr. Strange later put it: “What about my heart? What about my mind?”
VorDaj on May 16, 2013 at 10:42 PM
What a stupid question about Nixon. The press is going to roll over in the end. They just can’t quit their boyking.
jawkneemusic on May 16, 2013 at 10:42 PM
Wont happen. They will lurch from crisis to crisis and over reach as usual.
HotAirLib on May 16, 2013 at 10:42 PM
In my view, forget Party lines.
The Constitution is what we’re fighting for, if there be a fight.
Liam on May 16, 2013 at 10:42 PM
But how many Rs truly believe that, and of those, who can articulate it?
questionmark on May 16, 2013 at 10:43 PM
Exactly. Which is why we Conservative hold to the Constitution.
Liam on May 16, 2013 at 10:44 PM
…BlowMe!
KOOLAID2 on May 16, 2013 at 10:45 PM
Or more lives will be lost to YouTube videos..
Feels like the Matrix movie..
Electrongod on May 16, 2013 at 10:45 PM
Operation: Punish Our Enemies: Not Just Another ‘Garden-Variety’ Washington Scandal
Resist We Much on May 16, 2013 at 10:45 PM
Then your life will be at risk..
Thank me.
Electrongod on May 16, 2013 at 10:45 PM
lolololol. Worked really well last November didn’t it. Calling President Romney. President Romney where are you???
HotAirLib on May 16, 2013 at 10:46 PM
You have such a narrow vision. And you’re full of spite.
Realistically — WHY should anyone listen to YOU?
Liam on May 16, 2013 at 10:46 PM
OT from headlines- Paul Ryan tells Hewitt that DOJ didn’t have a court order prior to AP grab. I don’t think that had come out before.
HICON on May 16, 2013 at 10:46 PM
What¿ then how will they snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and bowl perfect strikes in the ninth inning.
SparkPlug on May 16, 2013 at 10:47 PM
Speaking of overreach…
Chicago Tribune: Obama and Overreach
Resist We Much on May 16, 2013 at 10:47 PM
The republicans need to start campaigning on abolishing the IRS, the Income Tax and instituting the Fair Tax.
Promote the idea that Washington should not be using the tax code to promote winners and losers and the IRS should not be the tool of the party in power to harass and suppress their political opposition.
With this scandal, we’ll never have a better chance.
trigon on May 16, 2013 at 10:47 PM
because those who vote once and have an IQ in 3 digits are substantially lesser in numbers to the herds with single digit collective IQs who vote multiple times for donks.
burrata on May 16, 2013 at 10:47 PM
Irrelevant.
But you need your pacifier, don’t you?
Liam on May 16, 2013 at 10:48 PM
Textbook case of a half-truth.
The formula s/b Degree of badness = Size of government times number of democrats in it.
VorDaj on May 16, 2013 at 10:48 PM
30 days is way too long for these show trial republicans. I give it till next Friday.
HotAirLib on May 16, 2013 at 10:48 PM
That’s a LOSER. Our only hope is to first eliminate Obamacare entirely and by default return to the pre-Obamacare status quo, which looks pretty damn good in retrospect.
Anyone that thinks we can ‘replace’ it with something else is a fool or a RINO. The only way the democratics rammed their version of healthcare through is because they had a very rare once-a-generation-for democratics-only Supermajority. Republicans have never had a Supermajority and never will.
Without it the two parties will never agree on a replacement because we have very different principles. We can piss away ten years debating a replacement while Obamacare in the meantime grinds away at the nation. No thanks.
slickwillie2001 on May 16, 2013 at 10:48 PM
Mortar explosions all around our Consulate in Benghazi..
There goes one on a roof top where laser painters were spotted by the enemy..
President Obama where are you???
Electrongod on May 16, 2013 at 10:48 PM
Romney was/is a conservative? That’s news to me.
nobar on May 16, 2013 at 10:48 PM
lol
Resist We Much on May 16, 2013 at 10:48 PM
Republicans must guard against the temptation to
Do what they always do………..cave .
Lucano on May 16, 2013 at 10:49 PM
Windows…
“Control” + “-”(or scroll wheel down)
elgeneralisimo on May 16, 2013 at 10:49 PM
Aw, go ahead and overreach. Current crop of Republicans is so timid it will seem plodding and unprovocative.
de rigueur on May 16, 2013 at 10:49 PM
The IRS once acted against Al Capone. Under Obama, the IRS acts like Al Capone.
VorDaj on May 16, 2013 at 10:50 PM
Some days,, I just unscrew the top on a bottle on Hoppes #9, and take a whiff.
I don’t think this can be saved.
They have taken the successful parts of every statist putsche and combined them. All of them. There are shades of them all.
wolly4321 on May 16, 2013 at 10:50 PM
And by what measure are YOU to set the timetable?
Liam on May 16, 2013 at 10:50 PM
Meh….I did my party chores and voted my party lines and for what, glad handing? Never again. If it looks like a skunk, walks like a skunk and smells like a skunk I’m not ordering it from the menu.
Limerick on May 16, 2013 at 10:50 PM
The larger font is for our trolls…
They keep missing the point..
Electrongod on May 16, 2013 at 10:51 PM
Some of you guys are wicked smart & funny. :) No sarc.
Here’s the headline:
Here’s the comment:
:)
I still can’t stand “plus 1″ buttons, but — an LOL button might actually have some utility.
Axe on May 16, 2013 at 10:51 PM
Well see, the problem is Mittens played nice with Obama and didn’t ever take the above advice. Had he done so, he’d be president. Instead he played the establishment game.
Plus, oh yeah – Obama has an army of propagandists too shield him – We call them reporters and newscasters. IE Candy Crawly stepping in the one moment Mittens did have a spine…
Sharr on May 16, 2013 at 10:51 PM
He is actually in DC living in this wonderful place called the White House.
HotAirLib on May 16, 2013 at 10:51 PM
Cramps in the wrist..
Electrongod on May 16, 2013 at 10:51 PM
BTW: Where are the photographs of Obama on the night of Benghazi?
We’ve seen Obama in the Situation Room when Osama bin Laden was killed.
We’ve seen the moment that he was told about Newtown.
We’ve seen him
shooting skeetbruising the hell out of his shoulder.We’ve seen him trapped in a spider web.
We’ve seen him meeting with a pirate in the Oval Office.
We’ve seen him praying in the Oval Office after the Boston bombing.
Where are the photos of him on the night of Benghazi? Do they not exist because the official WH photog doesn’t take photos of the President while he is asleep? And, if so, what does that say about the Commander-in-Chief, who knew the first Ambassador in more than 3 decades was missing?
Resist We Much on May 16, 2013 at 10:51 PM
Do you frequent there often?
Electrongod on May 16, 2013 at 10:52 PM
Show trial? There ain’t enough Fridays in all of eternity for you to ever get a real brain.
VorDaj on May 16, 2013 at 10:52 PM
Really — who are YOU to come here and lecture us all the time?
Tell us YOUR credentials.
Liam on May 16, 2013 at 10:53 PM
I see your joke and make it funnier.
nobar on May 16, 2013 at 10:53 PM
btw GOPE THIS is how you attack and use this issue to destory the dems and obama and save the country.
unseen on May 16, 2013 at 10:53 PM
You just made my epitaph: “He knew not Twitter”.
Limerick on May 16, 2013 at 10:53 PM
Whatever makes you sleep at night bud.
HotAirLib on May 16, 2013 at 10:54 PM
O, you. :) I have an OT update. It’s on page two, though.
Axe on May 16, 2013 at 10:54 PM
~falls over laughing~
Perfect call!
Liam on May 16, 2013 at 10:54 PM
Last time I saw that much over reach was when Moochelle Obama lunged so far for more free buttered lobster to cram into her woodchipper mouth that her arm pit hair dipped into the chowder.
SparkPlug on May 16, 2013 at 10:54 PM
Too late. I lost the afterlife after I jiggled my cleavage and caused the Iranian earthquake.
Resist We Much on May 16, 2013 at 10:54 PM
Knee pads and lipstick..
Electrongod on May 16, 2013 at 10:54 PM
Agreed Unseen!
Sharr on May 16, 2013 at 10:54 PM
If things go south for Obama – not likely, but possible – the Press will have to decide if they want to go south with him. They still have to make a living when he’s gone.
Curtiss on May 16, 2013 at 10:55 PM
Like Obama?
His over reaching on guns?
His leaping from crisis to crisis because that is his ONLY model of governance.. scare the Hell out of people in a demagogues utopian quest to get that next crisis to finally rain gold..
not very aware of Obama’s style are you?
The BoyKing, who only knows how to campaign but never how to lead. His use of the IRS and EPA to stiff his enemies will break him.. even should he make it to 16.. he’ll be a boat anchor around the neck of every democrat who stands with him.
mark81150 on May 16, 2013 at 10:55 PM
OK, so I’ll wait for page 2…I guess.
Resist We Much on May 16, 2013 at 10:55 PM
Republicans must guard against the temptation to count on scandal to deliver election victories in 2014 and 2016.
===============================================
Me thinks,this Temptation should be curtailed
to CULLING the Donkey herd,
coupled with,
a good ole’ fashioned RINO PURGATION!!!!
canopfor on May 16, 2013 at 10:56 PM
Oh, goody,,, it’s HAL’s shift. As he salutes his generations short attention span.
How glorious it must be to be ignorant of history.
wolly4321 on May 16, 2013 at 10:56 PM
http://nationalreview.com/article/348220/loyalty-truth
unseen on May 16, 2013 at 10:56 PM
I actually live a few blocks from him. Wonderful city. Would invite you to DC but there is a no tea-billy rule there.
HotAirLib on May 16, 2013 at 10:57 PM
…to BlowMe?
KOOLAID2 on May 16, 2013 at 10:57 PM
They don’t take pictures of his “meetings” with Reggie Love either, or other rim shots.
TXUS on May 16, 2013 at 10:57 PM
Strong counter-point! /sarc
Seriously — you think YOU are better than anyone else around here? Do you even read you’re own posts?
Liam on May 16, 2013 at 10:57 PM
His credentials are being a Class A Idiot on account of personal experience and heredity.
VorDaj on May 16, 2013 at 10:57 PM
Everyone needs to look at the bright side, in 4.5 billion years the sun will have high cholesterol and global warming and RINOs will be mute.
Limerick on May 16, 2013 at 10:58 PM
You have no problem with what was done to your fellow Americans?
hawkdriver on May 16, 2013 at 10:59 PM
yeap yeap yeap.
unseen on May 16, 2013 at 10:59 PM
They are on Reggie’s IPhone.
KCB on May 16, 2013 at 11:00 PM
Page 2 may never happen. We could go from 1 to 3 and the universe would be none the wiser because of
?¿
SparkPlug on May 16, 2013 at 11:00 PM
Then you don’t have a clue about real America..
Electrongod on May 16, 2013 at 11:00 PM
I wish there was a YouTube video of Hitler talking about these scandals.
Mirimichi on May 16, 2013 at 11:00 PM
Class A?
HAL is a common liberal, run of the mill.
Then again, he’s so full of fury most liberals won’t want him around.
Liam on May 16, 2013 at 11:01 PM
If he didn’t have ribs or McDonalds with them..
Then they didn’t exist..
Electrongod on May 16, 2013 at 11:01 PM
Well i’m glad most Americans think my ideology is better than most here. That is all that counts to me.
HotAirLib on May 16, 2013 at 11:01 PM
Per Gallup:
74% of Americans believe that the IRS targeting of conservative groups is serious enough to warrant continuing investigation.
69% of Americans believe that Benghazi is serious enough to warrant continuing investigation.
Per Rasmussen:
* 57% Want IRS Offenders Jailed or Fired
* Just 16% of Likely U.S. Voters believe the IRS investigations of these groups were a coincidence
* 57% think the investigations were politically motivated
* 55% think it is at least somewhat likely that President Obama or his top aides were aware that Tea Party and other conservative groups were targeted by the IRS
* Only 7% of voters believe no disciplinary action should be taken against the IRS employees involved in the investigations
Resist We Much on May 16, 2013 at 11:01 PM
Nobody died in Watergate. But Obama is messiah, so whatever he does, it makes it OK when he goes to sleep while Americans are dying in a terrorist attack to later be blamed on a video/The First Amendment.
I hate bizzaro world, that we are now living in.
Sharr on May 16, 2013 at 11:01 PM
Someone more erudite and classy then me is, explain why you would shake hands with a suspect/a-hole/lying thug rather than a perfunctory “Let’s get this dog and pony show on–Eric, which is it for you today?”
arnold ziffel on May 16, 2013 at 11:02 PM
Quote of the decade!!!
TXUS on May 16, 2013 at 11:02 PM
JPeterman favorited my Tweet on that. Coincidentally. Given the subject matter of this QOTD. Which is apparently nowhere near topic. So I probably don’t need to wait to page two.
*sigh*
Always a power struggle with some women.
So much for the power struggle. I’ll go get it.
Axe on May 16, 2013 at 11:03 PM
myiq2xu you pos.
arnold ziffel on May 16, 2013 at 11:03 PM
love how the dems are still trying to say these scandals are a non-issue.
really? The house bank scandal was small beans compared to the IRS bullying Americans who were politcally. And that scandal lasted months. Watergate is remembered and USED by dems 40 years later. this scandal if the GOP uses it correctly will last for the rest of my life and maybe my son’s life. The GOP has to use the LAW not politcs and they must show the illegal policies of Obama against the Laws put in place after nixon to stop this from happeening.
unseen on May 16, 2013 at 11:03 PM
While you’re out trolling Dupont Circle in the middle of the night.
RickB on May 16, 2013 at 11:03 PM
Bwhahahahahahahahaha….the blind are blind after all.
Limerick on May 16, 2013 at 11:04 PM
You think most Americans agree with you than a political movement can be illegally denied their right to engage in the political process by an oppressive tyrannical administration?
By the way, you’re a bigot.
hawkdriver on May 16, 2013 at 11:05 PM
Whatever makes you sleep at night bud.
HotAirLib on May 16, 2013 at 10:54 PM
No worries, when the republicans hang the IRS around the dems and once petraues testifies and talks blackmail, the dem party will be hard to hold seats. Oh and when it is learned tht Obama was running weapons that you libs crucified Reagan for wont help. Thre will be another scandal shortly, and a lame duk priizzy.
Don’t bother replying anyone who supports the deth of 4 Americans and believes in what inference does it make, really cannot be considered a serious person. So here is a tip
A car drove off the bridge this week, splashed in the water, the passenger being the DNC and the driver being Hussein Obama.
Conservative4ev on May 16, 2013 at 11:05 PM
None at all. He takes his depraved indifference lead from Obama after all.
VorDaj on May 16, 2013 at 11:05 PM
See above poll results.
Also:
Gallup: Conservatives Outnumber Liberals in 47 Out of 50 States
Resist We Much on May 16, 2013 at 11:05 PM
Most Americans as in uninformed?
You have a lot of praying to do..
Electrongod on May 16, 2013 at 11:06 PM
Depends on the scandal you mean. Here’s HAL on the IRS:
Axe on May 16, 2013 at 11:06 PM
Explain to me your utopia HAL.
What’s you perfect American Socialist Superstate look like? (POP™)
Explain to me how it works. Sell it.
wolly4321 on May 16, 2013 at 11:06 PM
If you are talking about trying to institute a universal background check that prevents crazy people from getting guns to kill us, YES i am happy with him.
If you are talking about rolling out a health care plan that hopefully will lead way to a single payer system, Yes i am happy with him.
If you are talking about instructing the IRS to target the crazy anti America tea party groups that are doing all they can to set this country back, Yes i am happy with him.
If you are talking about him firing some IRS hack to make believe he really respects the views of these irrelevant tea billies, Yes i am happy with him.
HotAirLib on May 16, 2013 at 11:07 PM
Ah, yes! That ideology over reality.
You know, HAL — I hope your ideology gets to you and yours, in reality.
I don’t mind that you ‘won’. What I want is for YOU to live under it.
And, far as ideology is concerned…we’re not done yet.
Liam on May 16, 2013 at 11:07 PM
I was too slow.
*sip*
Axe on May 16, 2013 at 11:07 PM
the IRS is the most HATED government agency in the country ALL aqmericans hate the IRS accept those that think paying taxes is the highest form of citizenship. (yeah few and far between but like Biden they are out there)
So you have Obama admin using the mnost hated agency against his politcal enemies and the dems think this will blow over?
ROFL…..the IRS and Nazis would be tied for most hated groups with the American people.
The GOP could see dividends from this scandal for generations. Of course the GOp has to want to lead and not be a minority party.
unseen on May 16, 2013 at 11:09 PM
Once again i ask, President Romney, President Romney, where are you President Romney? How about President McCain? President McCain, where are you?
HotAirLib on May 16, 2013 at 11:09 PM
Done before, but what the hell HAL bye bye
Limerick on May 16, 2013 at 11:09 PM
…you can’t sing…and you can’t count… so BlowMe!
KOOLAID2 on May 16, 2013 at 11:09 PM
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