Boehner warns Obama: If you veto our Plan B bill, the automatic tax hikes on January 1 are all on you; Update: House to vote even if bill is doomed?
posted at 5:13 pm on December 19, 2012 by Allahpundit
This is a leverage ploy, right? The House passes Plan B, Reid kills it in the Senate, and then Boehner gets to say, “We did what Democrats wanted by taxing millionaires and they still prefer to go over the cliff.” But … what if it doesn’t even pass the House? Then Democrats get to turn around and say that the GOP caucus won’t even agree to tax the rich when it’s their own Speaker asking them to do so. As of last night, per National Journal, GOP vote counters weren’t sure that Boehner had the votes. Grover Norquist did him a favor this morning by declaring that Plan B doesn’t violate Republicans’ no-tax pledge, and this’ll help too:
Paul Ryan says he’s voting for Plan B #heygirl
— Ed Henry (@edhenryTV) December 19, 2012
Meanwhile, though, several prominent conservatives, including Rep. Tim Huelskamp, held a presser this afternoon to denounce Plan B. The Club for Growth, which has been known to spend big to defeat wayward Republicans in primaries, came out hard against the bill today, as did the lobbying arm of the Heritage Foundation. According to The Hill’s whip count, there are at least 10 House Republicans who are either leaning no or a firm no, which leaves Boehner with little margin for error if Pelosi holds her caucus together. The point here, of course, isn’t to get Obama to sign the bill, just to stick Reid with it and force Senate Democrats to defeat something from the House that would allow tax hikes on millionaires. Ideally, seeing the House line up behind Boehner would also spur Obama to up his offer on the income threshold for the new tax hikes. It’s a messaging and negotiating game, but a lot of Republicans are off-message. Even Orrin Hatch says he’d oppose the bill. At what point do the PR returns on this gambit diminish to the point where it’s no longer worth pursuing? Or have I underestimated Boehner in thinking that he’s not prepared to walk away from negotiations if/when the House does pass this thing and leave Democrats to either pass it themselves or go over the cliff?
Conn Carroll makes the case to reluctant conservatives that this is, alas, as good as it gets:
The other reality many conveniently forget to mention is that spending is also set to be cut by $1.2 trillion. Boehner’s Plan B leaves those very real spending cuts untouched. Any deal with Obama would start by undoing the scheduled $1.2 trillion in spending cuts. Already, that is $1.2 trillion in the direction of bloated government. Plus, any deal with Obama would include far greater tax hikes than Plan B would allow, at minimum about $600 billion more. That is a total of $1.8 trillion in bigger government. How could any Republican defend that vote to their conservative constituents? Plus Plan B doesn’t raise the debt limit either. Republicans can then use that to try and restructure the sequester into meaningful entitlement reform later this year.
So conservatives have a stark choice. They can vote for Boehner’s Plan B, thus preserving the $1.2 trillion in spending cuts, and cut America’s tax burden by some $4 trillion, or they can vote against the Boehner plan and allow the full $4.6 trillion tax hike to hit their constituents. There is no possible way a better deal will come out of Boehner’s negotiations with Obama.
On the other hand, if Beohner fails to pass Plan B this week, the conservative negotiating position will be completely compromised. It will be clear no deal with conservatives is possible in the House.
Ultimately the strategic argument is an argument over how you think most House Republicans would respond to public pressure to reach a deal if we go over the cliff. Dave Weigel hears from GOPers on the Hill that they think the president, not Congress, would be blamed for any recession that ensues. I’m skeptical. The media frame won’t be “the president vs. Congress,” it’ll be “Obama vs. the Republicans,” and Obama’s brand lately polls higher than the GOP’s. Obama has the bully pulpit too: If the fiscal cliff standoff dragged on deep into January, he’d have not one but two major speeches (his inaugural and the State of the Union) in which to rally the public against the Republican position. There may well be groups of conservatives out there who’d hold the line even in the teeth of that sort of messaging onslaught. The House GOP isn’t one of them.
Update: Victory through defeat?
Boehner and other GOP leaders believe that even if the measure fails, it will show President Obama that Republicans won’t vote for a “fiscal cliff” deal unless it includes significant spending cuts.
“[GOP leaders] are just now trying to come up with some raw numbers and then I’m sure there’ll be decisions after that but I think he’s going to go through with it regardless,” the lawmaker said. “It would show the president that he doesn’t even have the votes for [tax cuts] with no [spending] cuts.”
So the bet is that Obama will cave on spending rather than take us over the cliff and dare House Republicans to hold the line even as middle-class tax rates lurch upward? I’ll take that bet.
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lolz..Good deal!..Let’s pass it on to our children and we will have completed the circle..:)
Dire Straits on May 24, 2013 at 2:45 AM
Thanks for the link friend..:)
Dire Straits on May 24, 2013 at 2:47 AM
Goodnight, Dire!
John the Libertarian on May 24, 2013 at 2:49 AM
Holy BOINK:
Moscow Shaker:
Carry On,…….Night once again Patriots:)
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canopfor on May 24, 2013 at 2:50 AM
It has been my honor..Good night..:)
Dire Straits on May 24, 2013 at 3:06 AM
Bureaucrats NEVER unilaterally undertake illegal, politically explosive operations.
The day before the IRS started attacking Americans in a bid to deny them their 1st amendment rights, Obama met at the WH with the rabidly anti-Tea Party president of the National Treasury Employees Union, Colleen Kelley. Kelley’s Union has inordinate influence within the IRS. Their meeting was not coincidental. They did not meet to exchange recipes…
The organization True the Vote was attacked by the IRS, FBI, ATF and OSHA. That degree of coordination comes from the WH. True the Vote is a Texas based organization seeking non-profit status. It’s focus is voter verification. It’s founder worked at voting stations and was appalled at the amount of voter fraud she witnessed in 2009.
True the Vote was targeted because it threatened to derail attainment of the left’s goal; Texas’ electoral college votes moving into the democrat column would guarantee effective one-party rule in America. This bid to deny American’s their 1st amendment rights came straight from Obama. Only ideological apologists and the willfully obtuse can deny it. Obama’s handprints are all over the greatest political scandal in American history.
InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on May 24, 2013 at 4:27 AM
MUST-SEE VIDEO AT BREITBART:
Wow… Just. Effin’. Wow.
<a href="http://“>Senator Obama calls for the Attorney General to step down
PointnClick on May 24, 2013 at 5:28 AM
Crap… Messed up the link on my Pad…
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/05/23/Obama-07-An-Attorney-General-Should-Not-Be-Carrying-Out-Political-Vendettas-Of-the-President#
PointnClick on May 24, 2013 at 5:33 AM
good morning HA crew!
hope all is well for our HA family in seattle, wow just heard about the bridge collapse on I5….
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:34 AM
Happy Friday, fave morning person!
Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:36 AM
Obama’s previously unreported speech:
Good evening fellow travelers. Allah be with you all. Jihad is working, my Muslim brothers and sisters. We need a little more time. We have three and a half years. The national debt of the Great Satan is growing. By the end of my term America will be on her knees. We are counterfeiting American currency as fast as we can. Future generations of the Infidel will be weak and broken. Allah Akbar. Death to America. I am doing my best with Marxism. There is resistance. Well, there is no resistance from the Democrats–not surprising. We are dumbing down the children of the Infidel as fast as we can. We have full control of the public schools. We have the media. We have Hollywood. We have the unions. We are in control. America will be dead in ten years. Allah is smiling on us.
InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on May 24, 2013 at 6:38 AM
aw shucks
morning Liam :)
so do we have a pool going for what the 5pm friday afternon news dump is going to be? its a holiday weekend so who knows what they’ll drop
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:38 AM
+1
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:40 AM
Whatever it is, it’s going to suck. Liberals can’t be any other way.
Hey — Did you see the Weiner thread? If you want a long laugh, the puns were flying! I bookmarked it.
Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:42 AM
when dear leader makes eric holder investigate eric holder something is seriously wrong….will the lsm actually question this or just let it go with dear leader is showing leadership, he’s awesome!
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:43 AM
i did….as Ed said Drudge won the day for internet headlines…
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:45 AM
Much the same way as a pothead saying, “I took an awesome sh*t this morning!”
Sorry that I’m not impressed.
Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:47 AM
nyt praising dear leader’s terrorism speech…it was awesome, one of his best and the mj crew agrees natch
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:47 AM
yup
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:49 AM
Our fellows, with all their puns, had me in stitches for more than an hour. I’m a fiend for puns, and they had me laughing so hard I could barely type.
Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:49 AM
:) HA rocks!!
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:53 AM
To be sure!
Except for the trolls.
Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:57 AM
Happy Friday, y’all!
Lt. Col. Allen West
Obama Runs the Ol’ Bait ‘n Switch “Oh, Look…Squirrel!” My take.
kingsjester on May 24, 2013 at 6:58 AM
great take KJ :)
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:01 AM
Now that it’s Friday, how about you kidnap hubby again? He’ll never expect it!
Liam on May 24, 2013 at 7:02 AM
mj crew following the squirrel this am KJ..only wants to talk about his speech…most important speech evah!!
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:02 AM
Now that it’s Friday, how about you kidnap hubby again. He’ll never expect it!
Liam on May 24, 2013 at 7:03 AM
can’t this weekend…family stuff going on
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:04 AM
Too bad Caesar’s Resorts no longer exist.
Liam on May 24, 2013 at 7:07 AM
Lois Lerner, the lying Christian-hating whore, got put on paid administrative leave yesterday so it isn’t that. Nevertheless, my money is on some nagging little detail about the IRS using their authority to smite the enemies of the rat-eared coward.
Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 7:08 AM
joe is giddy, ‘this president has changed the structure on the war on terror’
oh yeah kj, they definitely have their squirrel…
Allah, it was a distraction that lasted more than 7 hours my friend….
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:08 AM
:)
good one…
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:10 AM
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:01 AM
Thank you, ma’am!
kingsjester on May 24, 2013 at 7:10 AM
well that was quick…all the hemming and hawing over dear leader’s actions has turned back to a lovefest for him by the lsm…
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:28 AM
This is garbage. The Journolisters are defending The Magnificent One. Of Course the Chief Executive is responsible. Suddenly IRS, Justice and WH are losing memory.
Is someone telling me that when Bengazhi was happening, Presedent wasn’t aware. Heck… State was watching it Live.
Keep drilling.
Bengazhi is the biggest Scandal.
antisocial on May 24, 2013 at 7:30 AM
i guess that little meeting at the wh with the lib press worked…
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:41 AM
You know its really bad news when the Friday News Dump starts on a Thursday or Wednesday… it’s been doing that for three weeks now.
And for the Special Prosecutor deal… well there is a true oversight function by Congress and it is a two-part affair. First is to find out what is going on in agencies and departments. You have to get to the bottom of things and find out what the problem is.
Part two is changing laws and budgets, with the former being the fastest and most effective as you can start axing entire sections of agencies and departments by not funding them and cutting personnel right out of the budget. If the R’s were smart and went back to the right way to budget, that is by agency or department, then this would be a precise tool to cut out rot and cancer in the government. Instead the multi-agency slush fund approach means that agencies can shift resources between themselves in the slush fund to make up for mandated losses in cash. The personnel part, however, hits no matter what. Congress can start out by saying that for every ‘I don’t know’ or ‘I can’t recall’ or ‘I only became aware of it last week’ they can cut 1% of the budget and personnel from an agency and for every 5th taken that is a 5% reduction: these people are supposed to answer questions to Congress about how they are carrying out the laws MADE by Congress. If the culture is one of deception, then the funding should start to dry up and hard.
Since the House starts the budget and has the purse strings, then that is where it must start and even with the Reidless non-budget agencies and departments look to the House for how they are to use funds. The problem now is Boehner and the House leadership being unwilling to do the hard work of by agency and department funding… which he promised to do leading into 2010 and then dropped the ball on the moment there was a Republican majority. If you want specific powers and functions cut off the place to start is the House and there the Democratic and Republican leadership are unwilling to do that. Once Upon A Time the US Congress used to be jealous of the power it held and keep everyone on a tight leash in the government. This is what happens when they get lazy and try to get the Executive to do their jobs for them.
These Congresscritters VOLUNTEER for their jobs and now seek to excuse not doing it via the abuse of power they have delegated improperly. Even to the dim bulbs lacking enough wattage to even get a glow in their heads, this needs to be stated directly to them: you wanted this job now DO IT AS YOU SAID YOU WOULD DO or QUIT and let the people find someone who is CAPABLE OF DOING IT.
ajacksonian on May 24, 2013 at 7:41 AM
well said aj
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:47 AM
The dumbest coming out of our journalism schools do like to project, don’t they?
MNHawk on May 24, 2013 at 8:21 AM
Interesting post. I found it through a link at Physics Geek’s website:
http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/05/18/is-the-irs-scandal-the-worst-political-scandal-in-american-history-i-say-yes/
Fallon on May 24, 2013 at 9:32 AM
Whenever you change the founding principles of an organization you announce it’s doom!
RedLizard64 on May 24, 2013 at 10:44 AM
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