WaPo/ABC poll: Compromise on fiscal cliff — but without cuts

posted at 9:41 am on December 18, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

If you want to see why American politics are so dysfunctional, just take a look at American voters.  In a new Washington Post/ABC News poll, there is a broad consensus that Barack Obama and Republicans should reach a compromise to fix the fiscal cliff.  Only a third believe that Obama has a mandate to insist on his own policies as an exclusive response to the crisis.  And, oh, by the way … spending cuts are unacceptable.

In other news, next week Santa Claus will come to deliver a solution, in partnership with the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny:

Most Americans want President Obama and congressional Republicans to compromise on a budget agreement, though they, too, are unhappy about the options that would avert the “fiscal cliff,” according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

The strong support for compromise belies widespread public opposition to big spending cuts that are likely to be part of any deal.

Most Americans oppose slashing spending on Medicaid and the military, as well as raising the age for Medicare eligibility and slowing the increase of Social Security benefits, all of which appear to be on the table in negotiations. Majorities call each of these items “unacceptable.”

Er, what? Do people believe that we can fix the problem by tax hikes alone?  That would at least explain these results, but the answer is no.  Only 4% believe that we can fix the problem with tax hikes alone; only 29% think we can fix it with spending cuts alone.  Almost two-thirds (65%) think we need a combination of both, and a plurality (47%) think we need to cut more spending than raise taxes, while only 41% think we should do both equally and just 10% think we need more tax hikes than spending cuts.

And yet, large majorities oppose reforming the programs that actually drive the deficits that have created the fiscal cliff.   Six in ten oppose raising Medicare eligibility to 67; the same percentage opposes a move to chained CPI to slow down cost-of-living increases.  These are two of the mildest reforms on the table.  Talk about magical thinking.  Where else are we supposed to cut?  Oh, yeah — the Pentagon, whose entire budget only comprises about 65% of the entire annual deficit — and even there, 55% believe further cuts are unacceptable. Every choice of cuts and reform is deemed “unacceptable” by a majority in this poll.

And here’s more magical thinking: despite the incoherence of the electorate on the fiscal cliff, 52% believe it very or somewhat likely that Obama and Boehner will reach a fiscal-cliff deal in time.  That will be true only if they’re more educated on the issues and options we face than the voters are, and it would be almost impossible not to be.


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Americans: Just fix it!

-How?

Americans: Just….fix it!

Bishop on December 18, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Greece is the word…the word…the word.

d1carter on December 18, 2012 at 9:45 AM

This is why Obama has no fear about going over the cliff. Too many Americans are ignorant of the massive entitlement and welfare spending problem we have.

gwelf on December 18, 2012 at 9:47 AM

The Balance Budget Amendment never stood a chance either.

FlaMurph on December 18, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Welfare society… plain and simple.

Rush said it best during the election. “It’s hard to beat Santa Claus.”

Brad on December 18, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Barak Obama was reelected, nothing regarding the ignorance, nay, stupidity of the people of this country surprises me any more.

Ellis on December 18, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Fiscal NIMBYism

blatantblue on December 18, 2012 at 9:49 AM

This is why Obama has no fear about going over the cliff. Too many Americans are ignorant of the massive entitlement and welfare spending problem we have.

gwelf on December 18, 2012 at 9:47 AM

The only problem with this statement is he (obama) is also ignorant of it.

upinak on December 18, 2012 at 9:50 AM

No cuts. Check out military programs and benefits. They don’t count?

hawkdriver on December 18, 2012 at 9:50 AM

And here’s more magical thinking: despite the incoherence of the electorate on the fiscal cliff, 52% believe it very or somewhat likely that Obama and Boehner will reach a fiscal-cliff deal in time. That will be true only if they’re more educated on the issues and options we face than the voters are, and it would be almost impossible not to be.

This explains in large part how Obama got reelected. We’ve dumbed down enough of the electorate that basic math seems to escape them. That’s in part the fault of the GOP. They don’t necessarily need to be alarmists screaming that the sky is falling, but the Romney/Ryan campaign tried to sell everyone on the idea that a few modest tweaks could prevent the looming fiscal disaster and that’s frankly a pipe dream. We’re either gonna have to drastically cut entitlements or they’re gonna disappear once our nation goes bankrupt. One of these realities is gonna have to be conveyed to the American people. The question is which prominent politician has the stones to do it.

Doughboy on December 18, 2012 at 9:50 AM

Republicans are in a no win situation right now. Obama is supporting tax increases on the rich – a very popular idea – while the Republicans are talking about cuts in programs – a very unpopular idea. And appear, along the way, to be more supportive of cuts than increases in taxes on the wealthy.

These poll results are disheartening except for the fact that the public – despite their schizophrenia – realize that cuts and tax increases are necessary. They just don’t want any real cuts even though they admit some are needed.

Crazy.

SteveMG on December 18, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Six in ten oppose raising Medicare eligibility to 67; the same percentage opposes a move to chained CPI to slow down cost-of-living increases. These are two of the mildest reforms on the table.

both of these are terrible ideas and will never pass.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Spending cuts need to be polled as a menu.

Q1 – Do you recognize a need to cut spending?
Q2 – If so, here’s a list, pick which cuts are acceptable to you.

Most people will probably be OK with a couple of them, just not the same ones as the next guy.

Small consolation though because it all needs to be cut. And it all will be cut sooner or a little later.

forest on December 18, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Do people believe that we can fix the problem by tax hikes alone?

Probably. By studiously avoiding the subject of deficits and spending cuts in the election by both parties, and because the Demos hammered on and on and on about making ‘the rich’ pay their fair share, I’ve no doubt whatsoever that the arithmetic-illiterati among the voters (which appear to be a majority, sad to say) think exactly that.

And Boehner apparently doesn’t have the stones to disabuse them of that little bit of fantasy.

America is so screwed…

ProfessorMiao on December 18, 2012 at 9:53 AM

WaPo/ABC poll: Compromise on fiscal cliff — but without cuts

I suspect that the new Washington Post/ABC News poll are more misleading than factual. A compromise that has no spending cuts is not a compromise, it’s a unconditional surrender. John “Bonehead” Boehner can go to hell.

On the tragic loss of 20 innocent children.

SWalker on December 18, 2012 at 9:53 AM

This is BS. Which large socialist city enclave did they use to conduct this poll. “Most Americans” are to stupid to understand the problem and the politicians are to gutless to make the tough calls . . . so we just muddle on until we finally fall into the abyss.

rplat on December 18, 2012 at 9:53 AM

No cuts. Check out military programs and benefits. They don’t count?

hawkdriver on December 18, 2012 at 9:50 AM

how many veterans compared to welfare, food stamps, medicade, HUD, etc? Hawk you forgot your sarc tag.

upinak on December 18, 2012 at 9:54 AM

The problem with entitlement programs is not adjusting them for future generations the problem is the baby boomers (my parents). I am 35yrs old my parents have just retired along with millions of others in their generation. So the idea is that your going to push my eligibility age back a couple of years, but by the time I am old enough to collect most of the boomers will have died off as I will be eligible in over 30yrs from now and that generation will mostly be in the 90′s. If cut don’t happen now nothing donwe to my generation will matter anyway as it has no effect on long term spending.

cw10036 on December 18, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Welfare society… plain and simple.

Rush said it best during the election. “It’s hard to beat Santa Claus.”

Brad on December 18, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Limbaugh knows better than that. He was just providing cover for all those like himself who were deluding themselves into thinking that a moderate GOPer like Romney was going to win, and in so doing he provided a tag line that for two months has been run into the ground. Of course it’s hard to beat Santa Claus when all you’re doing is offering up Santa Lite.

ddrintn on December 18, 2012 at 9:54 AM

I’m not convinced the same electorate that voted to re-elect this boob even knows what the fiscal cliff is, so these polls are pretty much worthless. No surprise about not wanting cuts, though….they don’t understand the spending and debt problem we have. People want their stuff, regardless.

changer1701 on December 18, 2012 at 9:55 AM

Good Bye, GOP

Oil Can on December 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Who cares what voters think? We f**king dead d@mn broke. Make the cuts and take the hit or we’re doomed. We no longer have a choice. There are no options left that won’t hurt. It’s time to treat it like a band-aid; just grit your teeth and rip it off in one quick motion.

rcpjr on December 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Don’t touch our free stuff…

…and BTW, we don’t want to pay for it either…

PatriotRider on December 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM

On the tragic loss of 20 innocent children.

SWalker on December 18, 2012 at 9:53 AM

stop spamming.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 9:57 AM

“We just need to tax people more and we will get more, then we can spend more, then tax people more when we need more money because we spent more than we had.”

“We just need to ban guns and no one will get them because they are bad and when guns have bullets in them they make loud noises and bad stuff happens after the loud noises”

“Yeah, lets vote Obama back in. He will fix this up right.”

There. I just summed up both 2012 and 2013.

Now I think I am going to go drink my breakfast. -_-

Gatsu on December 18, 2012 at 9:57 AM

Every day…

$6B comes in and $11B goes out

biggest expenses:
DHS
SS
Miltary
Debt Interest=$854M a day

Debtor nation trying to squeeze money out of the rich instead of looking at the drivers of the debt and correcting for same.

CoffeeLover on December 18, 2012 at 9:57 AM

The voters are soon to be confronted with the laws of economic reality…

PatriotRider on December 18, 2012 at 9:58 AM

both of these are terrible ideas and will never pass.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 9:52 AM

So what’s your solution?

gwelf on December 18, 2012 at 9:58 AM

ddrintn on December 18, 2012 at 9:54 A

Romney didn’t run as Santa Lite. He jumped on the Third Rail of Politics with entitlement cuts. That isn’t Santa Lite.

blatantblue on December 18, 2012 at 9:58 AM

I lost sympathy for the American voter on November 6.

They deserve economic collapse and all the misery that comes with it.

Let it burn!

DRayRaven on December 18, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Romney got 48% of the vote, do you really think that many of those 48% now think that we should not be cutting spending?…

mnjg on December 18, 2012 at 9:59 AM

So what’s your solution?

gwelf on December 18, 2012 at 9:58 AM

i confess that i have not had the time to develop a comprehensive tax and entitlement reform plan.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 10:01 AM

It can be fixed with taxes alone. Tax the bottom 50% of American earners. Let them bear at least their share of the burden of providing for them.

astonerii on December 18, 2012 at 10:04 AM

If this poll is true, then we are doomed.

Old Fritz on December 18, 2012 at 10:04 AM

i confess that i have not had the time to develop a comprehensive tax and entitlement reform plan.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Do you at least recognize that we primarily have a revenue problem?
And that entitlements and the welfare state are the most problematic parts of the budget?

gwelf on December 18, 2012 at 10:04 AM

This is why I really can’t bring myself to blame Boehner for how these negotiations are going. He’s negotiating with 300 million lunatics.

Mark1971 on December 18, 2012 at 10:06 AM

It can be fixed with taxes alone. Tax the bottom 50% of American earners. Let them bear at least their share of the burden of providing for them.

astonerii on December 18, 2012 at 10:04 AM

This with entitlement/welfare reform – or bankruptcy – is probably the only sane solution.

If the American people really want European sized entitlements and welfare state (without a secure border as well which the Europeans don’t have) then they should be willing to pay for them.

I suspect that Americans don’t want European levels of taxation and a permanently under-performing economy.

gwelf on December 18, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Who cares what voters think? We f**king dead d@mn broke. Make the cuts and take the hit or we’re doomed. We no longer have a choice. There are no options left that won’t hurt. It’s time to treat it like a band-aid; just grit your teeth and rip it off in one quick motion.

rcpjr on December 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM

That’s the problem. Too many people in this country think we do have a choice. It’s human nature to want to take the path of least resistance and when enough folks are convinced(or delude themselves) that we can make all our problems go away by merely taxing the rich a little bit more, I don’t know politically what can be done to remedy this. Hence the growing Let It Burn bandwagon. It seems at this point that only the cold hard reality of a bankrupt federal government will wake people up.

Doughboy on December 18, 2012 at 10:07 AM

SWalker on December 18, 2012 at 9:53 AM

stop spamming.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 9:57 AM

Stop trolling.

SWalker on December 18, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Romney got 48% of the vote, do you really think that many of those 48% now think that we should not be cutting spending?…

mnjg on December 18, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Actually, yes. Even a lot of Tea Partiers in many polls have demanded no cuts to Medicare or Social Security. We’re a nation of addicts. And half of the addicts don’t know they have a problem, while the other half refuse to do anything about it. We sober folks are too outnumbered.

Doughboy on December 18, 2012 at 10:10 AM

Tax the bottom 50% of American earners. Let them bear at least their share of the burden of providing for them.

astonerii on December 18, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Make them have skin in the game and see just how fast they suddenly like the idea of spending cuts.

SWalker on December 18, 2012 at 10:10 AM

Maybe they would be more like to embrace what needs to be done if the press would stop using words like “slash” and other words associated with suffering. The percentages of “cuts” in these programs, if applied to a sale at a store, wouldn’t get them out of the house. We are looking at the media’s version of the Sandy Hook coverage, but applied to our long term economic outlook and in neither place are they being helpful.

Cindy Munford on December 18, 2012 at 10:10 AM

Er, what? Do people believe that we can fix the problem by tax hikes alone? That would at least explain these results, but the answer is no. Only 4% believe that we can fix the problem with tax hikes alone; only 29% think we can fix it with spending cuts alone. Almost two-thirds (65%) think we need a combination of both, and a plurality (47%) think we need to cut more spending than raise taxes, while only 41% think we should do both equally and just 10% think we need more tax hikes than spending cuts.

And yet, large majorities oppose reforming the programs that actually drive the deficits that have created the fiscal cliff.

…welcome to the age of Kardashian…..where reality and common sense is overtaken by a TMZ electorate.

Baxter Greene on December 18, 2012 at 10:10 AM

Romney didn’t run as Santa Lite. He jumped on the Third Rail of Politics with entitlement cuts. That isn’t Santa Lite.

blatantblue on December 18, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Yeah, I didn’t understand that particular comment either. He laid out his rationale for cuts (whether it was crucial enough that we should continue to borrow from China to pay for it) and mentioned specifics, particularly in that first debate. Voters knew who’d cut Big Bird, and who wouldn’t…the former can hardly be considered Santa lite.

changer1701 on December 18, 2012 at 10:11 AM

I blame the lsm for not reporting the truth and spinning it for dear leader

The gop voice is not heard or it is a 2 second sound bite taken out of context

cmsinaz on December 18, 2012 at 10:12 AM

So what happened to the days when we weren’t running $ trillion deficts, and surviving, and prospering. Is there that much stupidity out there or was the poll taken at DNC headquarters?
We are in trouble.

arand on December 18, 2012 at 10:13 AM

In other news, next week Santa Claus will come to deliver a solution, in partnership with the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny

Been watching Rise of the Guardians, eh?

Archivarix on December 18, 2012 at 10:14 AM

I blame the lsm for not reporting the truth and spinning it for dear leader

The gop voice is not heard or it is a 2 second sound bite taken out of context

cmsinaz on December 18, 2012 at 10:12 AM

Personally I also blame the fools demanding that somebody elses Ox be gored. Someone who doesn’t pay taxes has no interest in cutting spending, because those tax increases are not coming out of their pocket. If the pound of flesh you are demanding doesn’t come out of your own ass, you have no legitimate right to demand a pound of flesh.

SWalker on December 18, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Isn’t this an argument for voting “present?” I don’t see any role for a Republican Party until the smoke clears over the rubble. I just hope the country hasn’t gone completely bananas by then.

Seth Halpern on December 18, 2012 at 10:16 AM

We’re a nation of idiots! Dems Win! Dems Win!

SAMinVA on December 18, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Cindy Munford on December 18, 2012 at 10:10 AM

the media is a problem, in any sense, anymore.

upinak on December 18, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Yeah, I didn’t understand that particular comment either. He laid out his rationale for cuts (whether it was crucial enough that we should continue to borrow from China to pay for it) and mentioned specifics, particularly in that first debate. Voters knew who’d cut Big Bird, and who wouldn’t…the former can hardly be considered Santa lite.

changer1701 on December 18, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Romney was Santa responsible. But Santa none the less. He promised to make certain that the American slaves would keep providing for the plantation owners so they would not be forced to work for their own luxurious lifestyles.

He was going to make Medicare solvent for generations to come. Was going to make social security solvent for generations to come. Was going to get more slaves busy in the economy producing more wealth for the plantation owners.

Sure, it is all couched in economic growth, but the reason he and everyone is concerned about unemployment and a lowering of workforce participation has much more to do with ensuring that GOVERNMENT keeps growing.

astonerii on December 18, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Thank you politicians running for office who reassure us that “if the rich just pay a little bit more and we take some of those ‘savings’ from the war, we can pay down our debt in a responsible way.”

Unacceptable is politicians repeatedly lying to the American public to keep themselves in power.

Conservative in NOVA on December 18, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Party like it’s 1929.

Ward Cleaver on December 18, 2012 at 10:19 AM

The tree of liberty needs to be refreshed…

PatriotRider on December 18, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Hey, this is Barry’s problem for not spelling anything out to the electorate, other than in his usual vagueness.

Even his Newtown speech was a fog bank.

On one hand, people believe federal waste is the problem, yet the guy who knew the best how to handle that, McCain, was rejected.

Now, in final exit polls, Romney was also thought better for growth and spending control, but opted against him.

So, it’s Barry’s luggage. Let him own it.

budfox on December 18, 2012 at 10:20 AM

King Obama and Cardinal Boehner have been busy wrapping preasents for Christmas, I see.

ElectricPhase on December 18, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Six in ten oppose raising Medicare eligibility to 67; the same percentage opposes a move to chained CPI to slow down cost-of-living increases. These are two of the mildest reforms on the table.

Then we’re screwed, pure and simple. It means that most people believe the amazingly stupid and irresponsible Democrat lie that we can fix this with tax increases and no entitlement reform. It means that 60% of us are either unwilling or unable to do the basic math on this subject, preferring to rely on the magical thinking of the left.

So, we should plan on little or no growth, continued high unemployment and a general decay of the economy. Eventually, we will all be paying a national sales tax and will probably have our private retirement accounts seized in return for more false promises. And that’s just for starters.

RadClown on December 18, 2012 at 10:21 AM

I know! Let’s tax unicorn farts!

DRayRaven on December 18, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Romney didn’t run as Santa Lite. He jumped on the Third Rail of Politics with entitlement cuts. That isn’t Santa Lite.

blatantblue on December 18, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Yeah, I didn’t understand that particular comment either. He laid out his rationale for cuts (whether it was crucial enough that we should continue to borrow from China to pay for it) and mentioned specifics, particularly in that first debate. Voters knew who’d cut Big Bird, and who wouldn’t…the former can hardly be considered Santa lite.

changer1701 on December 18, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Oh, give me a break. Romney ran as the guardian of Medicare, against Obama who was going to cut Medicare benefits. He didn’t jump on any damn Third Rail.

ddrintn on December 18, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Agree swalker

cmsinaz on December 18, 2012 at 10:24 AM

He was going to make Medicare solvent for generations to come.

astonerii on December 18, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Exactly. And now the erstwhile ‘bots rewrite the thing by having us believe that Mitt ran as a wild-eyed budget-cutter.

ddrintn on December 18, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Do you at least recognize that we primarily have a revenue problem?

i think you meant to suggest a spending problem.

And that entitlements and the welfare state are the most problematic parts of the budget?

gwelf on December 18, 2012 at 10:04 AM

yes. but neither of those measures are preferable to solve the problem.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Just saw the weeper of the house and a couple of other reeepuuuublicans on tv. They are simply caving in to that progressive liberal, communist in the WH. Congress is full of too many idiots…. we will never fix it. One guy said revenue had gone up but spending had increased more…. well, DUH! Makes me sick. There is NO leadership on the right side of the house, just a bunch of career, elitist, politicians more concerned about their jobs than the people that mistakenly put them there. Disgusting bunch of idiots! Who do they think they are fooling?

ultracon on December 18, 2012 at 10:31 AM

i think you meant to suggest a spending problem.

And that entitlements and the welfare state are the most problematic parts of the budget?

gwelf on December 18, 2012 at 10:04 AM

yes. but neither of those measures are preferable to solve the problem.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Oops, I did mean to say we primarily have a spending problem.

I think that some sort of solution can be hashed out if people actually own up to the situation we face – that we do have a massive spending problem and that entitlements/welfare comprise the most problematic areas of the budget (especially going forward as entitlements will keep exploding).

gwelf on December 18, 2012 at 10:32 AM

upinak on December 18, 2012 at 10:16 AM

This is what happens when you ask if it could get any worse…..it does.

Cindy Munford on December 18, 2012 at 10:34 AM

I fear for our nation, based upon the total stupidity and ignorance of the sheep living in it, and educated by our socialist/marxists in our school system.

Games, guns, and sex. The new “needs” of our younger generations.

avagreen on December 18, 2012 at 10:35 AM

It all makes sense now — Liberals / Progressives slowly took over our education system, taking discipline/God/focus on the 3Rs out of school & replacing it with Liberal propoganda, in order to dumb down Americans – eliminating our childrens’ ability to do MATH & thus identify BS accounting when they see it.

In the very 1st 2 (TWO) months of the new fiscal year the U.s. is $292 BILLION IN DEBT ($2.92 BILLION in NEW DEBT) due to Government SPENDING….If Americans were CAPABLE of ‘doing the math’ they would realize that equates to $4.8 BILLION PER DAY this administration is adding in new debt. Here is the ‘Pop Quiz’ part of the post: Who can tell us how much that equates to / how much debt is predicted based on the amount added in the 1st 2 months?

Federal Revenue (amount of taxes collected) has increased by 13% from last year…But GOVERNMENT SPENDING has increased by 16% – OUT-PACING the amount of revenue we are collecting. You dont even have to be a high school graduate to realize when you are SPENDING more than you MAKE/TAKE IN you have a SERIOUS PROBLEM. Obama insists there is a REVENUE problem, that you tax payers just aren’t paying enough in taxes to cover all the spending he wants to do. Again, it doesn’t take a genius to realize wd don’t have a REVENUE problem – it has increased 13% from last year…THIS PRESIDENT/ADMINISTRATION HAS A SPENDING PROBLEM!

Obama obviously is a product of our same education system because he SAYS he believes the answer to our debt problem is raising taxes on the top 1% of tax payers in this country, that raising $1.6 Trillion in new revenue over the NEXT 10 YEARS…WHILE HE IS ADDING AT THE VERY LEAST $1.2 TRILLION IN NEW DEBT EVERY YEAR! Even his own ‘solution’ is an example of what we have seen the 1st 2 months of this new fiscal year – spending WAY out-pacing any increase in revenue!

easyt65 on December 18, 2012 at 10:40 AM

I lost sympathy for the American voter on November 6.

They deserve economic collapse and all the misery that comes with it.

Let it burn!

DRayRaven on December 18, 2012 at 9:59 AM

this…

RedInMD on December 18, 2012 at 11:01 AM

So the solution is to increase taxes and continue spending?

What can we cut? Medicare – NO, Medicaid – NO, Social Security – NO

Defund Obama’s vacations and campaign trips
Drop out of the UN and stop funding the Dicators Club
Cut the ‘unearned income tax break’ (How do you get a refund if you’ve not paid taxes?)
Stop funding dictators and tyrants.
Defund EPA
Defund TSA
Defund DHS
Defund Dept. of Labor
Defund Dept of Edu
Eliminate Congress and Presidential pay (and benefits) until the fiscal problem is solved
No more bailouts
Require weekly drug tests for welfare
Defund the Czars

xmanvietnam on December 18, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Oh, give me a break. Romney ran as the guardian of Medicare, against Obama who was going to cut Medicare benefits. He didn’t jump on any damn Third Rail.

ddrintn on December 18, 2012 at 10:23 AM

.
Oh really.
Well, obviously Romney/Ryan got their “messaging” wrong because “Reforming Medicare” is exactly what they got hammered with here in FL 24/7. Ocommie “cut” medicare simply shifting dollars to Hopeycare. Thats not a cut at all.

You are the revisionist on this one.

FlaMurph on December 18, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Just another day whereby Obama, and his minion of voters, prove how little they know about economics. In their attempt to “balance” the wealth, they are doing the exact opposite as the wealthy will interact less and less in the economy, thereby depriving the poor a chance to participate.

Tater Salad on December 18, 2012 at 11:12 AM

FlaMurph: While I’m not disagreeing with your larger point, what RR got ‘hammered with’ is not saying the same thing as what their message was.

The libs have always lied, and always will. R – “I won’t touch Medicare.” D – “He’s going to push old people off cliffs. And their dog!”

Scott H on December 18, 2012 at 11:33 AM

If the public – or a majority of it – doesn’t know that we can’t tax our way out of this or simply can’t make cuts in foreign aid or small programs to deal with this I can’t blame the news media for that ignorance.

This information is widely available. The public, for whatever reason, simply can’t comprehend it. Or won’t.

In any case, I have liberal friends/associates who are smart and they think we can just tax our way out of it too. Get rid of “Bush’s tax cuts”, end “Bush’s war” and, presto, we’re in the black.

Oy vey.

SteveMG on December 18, 2012 at 11:40 AM

All this time, they’re selling the public that Obama holds all the cards, when in fact, the House has total control over all spending. The Republican House is about to sell out their voters and ignore the 2010 mandate given to them. If there are tax increases, with no reduction in spending, I will never vote for a Republican again.

They are selling our kids and grand kids out and they are without a collective conscience.

cajunpatriot on December 18, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Do any of you, wonder HOW Obama got re-elected…….OVER HALF OF YOU PEOPLE ARE JUST PLAIN CRAZY….

nonstopca on December 18, 2012 at 11:49 AM

Greece is the word…the word…the word.

d1carter on December 18, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Amen, brother/sister.

jclittlep on December 18, 2012 at 12:22 PM

I want my cake and I want to eat it too!

batter on December 18, 2012 at 12:32 PM

I agree with most here that the electorate has been “dumbed down”. The vast majority of Obamasite voters only hear platitudes and vote on emotion. They keep hearing over and over again phrases like, “Tax the rich, make them pay their fair share”. Or, “Income Equality” or any other such phrases. Those all sound good on the surface but the educated voter knows we have a spending problem and there are no politicians telling us that by taking Action A we get X savings to bring down the deficit.

We are already $16 trillion in the hole and I have yet to hear one politician state how they are going to pay down that debt. All they are talking about is dealing with future debt instead of the debt that already exists.

And, to top it off Obamasite wants more dollars for stimulus spending. So any increase in revenue from tax increases is already being budgeted for spending. How does that reduce the deficit? Our politicians think they are playing with monopoly money. It’s a disgrace.

rsherwd65 on December 18, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Just another day whereby Obama, and his minion of voters, prove how little they know about economics. In their attempt to “balance” the wealth, they are doing the exact opposite as the wealthy will interact less and less in the economy, thereby depriving the poor a chance to participate.

Tater Salad on December 18, 2012 at 11:12 AM

I’m torn between thinking your thoughts and the Cloward-Piven Plan.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/02/the_clowardpiven_strategy_of_e.html

Afterall, the SOB did teach Alinksy tactics to ACORN.

avagreen on December 18, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Oh, give me a break. Romney ran as the guardian of Medicare, against Obama who was going to cut Medicare benefits. He didn’t jump on any damn Third Rail.

ddrintn

If only Palin had run. I’m sure she would have been the one to end medicare, social security and medicaid.

xblade on December 18, 2012 at 1:03 PM

What about cutting some of the money that keeps the over-bloated government so bloated? God forbid we should take a look at the billions of dollars that are simply wasted (I’m thinking GAO among others).

If we could make a small dent in the amount that’s pure waste, things like entitlements wouldn’t need nearly as (seemingly) painful cuts.

Oxymoron on December 18, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Idiocracy is rapidly approaching if it’s not already here. Americans want to lose the weight but refuse to give up the sugar.

Logic and math… How Does It Work?! I blame our educational system.

AnonymousDrivel on December 18, 2012 at 1:15 PM

So the solution is to increase taxes and continue spending?

What can we cut? Medicare – NO, Medicaid – NO, Social Security – NO

Defund Obama’s vacations and campaign trips
Drop out of the UN and stop funding the Dicators Club
Cut the ‘unearned income tax break’ (How do you get a refund if you’ve not paid taxes?)
Stop funding dictators and tyrants.
Defund EPA
Defund TSA
Defund DHS
Defund Dept. of Labor
Defund Dept of Edu
Eliminate Congress and Presidential pay (and benefits) until the fiscal problem is solved
No more bailouts
Require weekly drug tests for welfare
Defund the Czars

xmanvietnam on December 18, 2012 at 11:06 AM

This.

If we are not going to be able to touch medicare, social security….ok. Obviously we need to, but we should start our focus on programs that don’t really give out money or something tangible to most Americans. For example most Americans could really care less about the EPA. I know they give lip service to it, “we like a clean environment”, but if the GOP pushed the idea hard that we have to make a choice! We must cut the EPA or raise the age limit on getting medicare or social security, most Americans will choose the EPA.

In fact I think the GOP should drop the tax hike fight on those making over 200,000 a year. Any deal we get will force us to have to compromise too much. Instead we should turn this into a battle between government programs. America…what do want more…a well funded medicare and social security program or a well funded EPA or IRS. Most Americans hate the IRS anyway. The IRS does not give out free stuff. So let Obama get his tax raise, but we get to nail the IRS.

Start cutting programs that don’t give a lot of Americans “free stuff”. The EPA, IRA, the UN, Dept. of Labor…you name it…there are lots of them.

William Eaton on December 18, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Correct above: IRA = IRS….LOL! Must have been those Irish songs I was listening to last night.

William Eaton on December 18, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Er, what? Do people believe that we can fix the problem by tax hikes alone?

Short answer: yes. That is what Obama, the Democrats, and the press (birm) have been selling non-stop, with nary a rebuttal from Romney or the Republicans. Why wouldn’t they believe it?

besser tot als rot on December 18, 2012 at 1:45 PM

Almost two-thirds (65%) think we need a combination of both,

They think we can raise taxes on the rich (Dems solution) and cut pork (Republican solution) and all will be dandy. Why would they think otherwise?

besser tot als rot on December 18, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Idiocracy is rapidly approaching if it’s not already here.

AnonymousDrivel on December 18, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Did you watch debates 2-4? Reminded me of Not Sure’s trial. Idiocracy is already here.

besser tot als rot on December 18, 2012 at 1:49 PM

If only Palin had run. I’m sure she would have been the one to end medicare, social security and medicaid.

xblade on December 18, 2012 at 1:03 PM

If only fools would stop using strawmen, we could have actual debates about policy and solutions.

besser tot als rot on December 18, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Oh really.
Well, obviously Romney/Ryan got their “messaging” wrong because “Reforming Medicare” is exactly what they got hammered with here in FL 24/7. Ocommie “cut” medicare simply shifting dollars to Hopeycare. Thats not a cut at all.

You are the revisionist on this one.

FlaMurph on December 18, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Yes. Really. Romney’s “reform” was to put that money back in Medicare, not to fix it (until, perhaps, Ryan came on board – but even then his reform policy was hidden, as if something to be ashamed of).

besser tot als rot on December 18, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Considering the results of the last election, why is Ed Morrissey – or anyone, for that matter – surprised when a poll illustrates that the US is filled with unserious, economically ignorant fools who believe in fairy tales and Monopoly money?

The Democratic Party lies to the American public. But the Republican Party coddles them…like some post-modern parents who want their kids to think they’re “cool”…all in a misguided attempt at sparing the public from having to face the inevitable consequences of their decisions. And that coddling is every bit as dangerous for the country as the Dems lies are.

Republicans like Boehner need to “grow up”. They need to realize that it is only by forcing the American people to choose between truly DIFFERING views that they will come to truly understand that it is they who are ultimately responsible for govt policy and the effects of said policies on their lives. Only this will educate them as to what works and what doesn’t. And until the Republicans grasp these simple truths, then there will be NO cure for what ails this Republic…other than an economic – and ensuing, socio-political – collapse that is creeping closer every day.

rvastar on December 18, 2012 at 3:16 PM

Er, what? Do people believe that we can fix the problem by tax hikes alone?

Short answer: yes. That is what Obama, the Democrats, and the press (birm) have been selling non-stop, with nary a rebuttal from Romney or the Republicans. Why wouldn’t they believe it?

besser tot als rot on December 18, 2012 at 1:45 PM

That’s what happened, all right. What’s surprising to me is that some are surprised about it. Don’t they (those who are surprised) see what’s going on?

The real scandal today is how completely inarticulate Republicans are about why we shouldn’t tax the rich. Just saying it over and over while harumphing and making comments like, “Well, I never!” isn’t helping one bit.

Burke on December 18, 2012 at 4:36 PM

Pic of the Day: “Barack Obama”: What’s In A Name?

Resist We Much on December 18, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Okay, I’m severely embarrassed. At first, I thought “Crosshairs?” and then… Oh dear.

Ah… Remember when we had fun with the word “severely”… Good times.

Fallon on December 18, 2012 at 4:37 PM

This is just another data point proving that there is no cure for STUPID!

belad on December 18, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Er, what? Do people believe that we can fix the problem by tax hikes alone?

Meet the Little Dutch Boys of DC.

scalleywag on December 18, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Anyone been to Chile? I hear it values freedom and individuality.

rrpjr on December 18, 2012 at 5:07 PM

So, we want a balanced budget, with taxes going up only on ‘the other’ with no cuts even though that’s mathematically impossible. I wonder if people realize that the Chinese are no longer buying our bonds, the budget is sustained only with the printing of money.

Maybe you should have to pass some sort of critical thinking and basic arithmetic test in order to vote. Seriously, universal suffrage sounds really nice, but the truth is that nowadays most people can’t really make good decisions.

On the plus side, the eventual inflation that results from printing of money will essentially be a regressive consumption tax, so maybe the voters will get wise after some suffering.

xuyee on December 18, 2012 at 5:10 PM

yes. but neither of those measures are preferable to solve the problem.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 10:26 AM

So, are you basically saying that we need a comprehensive plan that fixes entitlements rather than just imposing some cosmetic changes that don’t fix the problem? If so, totally agree with you. Both Medicare and SS need major fixes to ensure solvency or just to keep the country from going under.

I can only imagine that eligibility age and cost of living increases will all have to be included as possible parts of the final solution. It’s a shame that we don’t have any leaders in this country who can stand up and do the right thing.

RedinPDRM on December 18, 2012 at 5:12 PM

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