The new horizon of gun control, part 1. “A Violent Society”

posted at 8:51 am on December 18, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

In the wake of one unspeakable tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut last week, the nation is facing yet another crisis which is bearing down on us like a storm. It would have been far preferable to leave such a battle until the tears of the mourners had dried, as I wrote this weekend, but those who would tiptoe in during the darkest hours to seize the high ground have no intention of waiting. By the time Monday morning had rolled around, forces which have been waiting for the perfect storm of outrage were moving to use the deaths of innocents as an excuse to portray this week as the ideal time to “open a national dialogue” on limiting the second amendment rights of United States citizens.

There were many examples to be found on the Sunday morning shows and virtually every other soapbox available in the public square. But when the work week started, I awoke to find a somewhat more disturbing example rolling out on Joe Scarborough’s show. (We can leave aside for the moment the endless discussion here of whether or not you think Morning Joe qualifies as a conservative. We’ve hashed it out before, but I still feel he has been, at heart, a needed conservative voice in a media market which reaches far more of the moderate, frequently undecided vote than the majority of speakers who inhabit more traditional right wing echo chambers.) Over the course of three hours, Joe rolled out a number of high profile guests, including previously solid second amendment supports such as Joe Manchin, who were suddenly “reevaluating” their views on gun control laws. But that was only after Joe himself delivered a lengthy soliloquy in a similar vein.

It’s rather lengthy, but rather than being accused of chopping something completely out of context, you can view the entire video here, or read the entire transcript here. I would like, however, to extract a couple of key portions which identify the three major themes which we will be hearing for weeks and months to come.

Politicians can no longer be allowed to defend the status quo. They must instead be forced to protect our children.

Parents can no longer take “No” for an answer from Washington when the topic turns to protecting children.

The violence we see spreading from shopping malls in Oregon, to movie theaters in Colorado, to college campuses in Virginia, to elementary schools in Connecticut, is being spawned by the toxic brew of a violent pop culture, a growing mental health crisis and the proliferation of combat-styled guns…

It’s not all about guns, or all about violent movies and video games. But we must no longer allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good. And we must not excuse total inaction by arguing that no single action can solve the problem and save our children.

This summarizes the three main points, each of which deserves attention. This is a “complex” problem, as the President’s press secretary told us and as you will be repeatedly informed. And it’s not really about gun control, you see. What they’re talking about here are strictly the sinister cases of mass shootings. Heck, they’re not really interested in your guns anyway. They’re working on a bigger picture… a cure for the societal cancer of the 21st century.

But I’m here to assure you that you should have no doubt that each of these three items winds up pointing back to the guns. The reasons we are told that “now is the time” to take up new gun control legislation are because there are three primary factors contributing to these mass shootings:

- The dangers of a violence obsessed, video game-driven society drained of the milk of human kindness
- A mental health care system which is producing far too many unstable individuals with easy access to weapons, and
- The proliferation of “military combat style guns”

Today, let’s take a brief look at the first one.

A Violent Society

The contention here is a familiar one, and not entirely without merit. It is repeatedly noted that we are raising generations of youths who watch violent movies and television shows depicting wanton mayhem and slaughter. They then log on to their computer and engage in a variety of video games where they are encouraged to issue forth and commit every form of murder and violence. And for those who choose to do so – and, we should note, are allowed to do so by their parents – this is certainly true. How could this not contribute to setting off the tripwires of cloistered, disaffected loners who take up arms and act out those fantasies in real life?

And perhaps there is something to that theory… for the dozen or so truly disturbed teens and young adults who wind up in these tragic headlines. Of course, that seems a bit of a harsh judgment upon the tens of millions of similar young people who watch theses shows, play these games, and yet somehow don’t wind up going on a shooting spree. And how, pray tell, were we to know if that same dozen violent maniacs wouldn’t have found another source to feed their dark proclivities? But let’s say for a moment that these movies, TV programs and games were the trigger mechanism.

What precisely is the remedy being proposed? The bottom line would obviously seem to be that we should limit the availability of weapons, thereby preventing them from living out their evil fantasies. And I will agree, for the sake of argument, that the lack of a gun would make their job considerably harder, and perhaps even discourage a few from the attempt. But as with so many other sad cases, the shooter last Friday didn’t even need to purchase a weapon. In fact, by some accounts – still under review since the media rushed to report on this story before they’d even gotten their socks on properly – he tried to buy a weapon, but failed due to the stringent laws already in place in Connecticut. But there were legal weapons aplenty in his own home, and he seized them.

But back to the remedy. Are we seriously suggesting that fixing the societal problems of these troubled teens and young adults would be best handled legislatively by the United States Congress? At what point did we stop asking how much of this social disease was brought on by a breakdown in civil society and the positive influence of a supportive, cohesive family environment? There is a vast and profitable market for movies, shows and games with a violent theme. Why? People are seeking this material out (with 99.999% of them handling it without going on a murder spree) and the market is delivering what sells. If we’re looking for a “cure” for this, begging the federal government to intervene in what constitutes desirable entertainment is a pale, sickly course. The real question should be why the material was desirable in the first place, and how families could be raising children to value other human traits more highly.

None of this sounds like the province of the government at any level, at least to my way of thinking. And using the recent tragedy as an excuse to demand government intervention to fix a broken social structure appears foolhardy in the extreme.

I’ll leave you with the video of the Scarborough editorial. Tomorrow, I’ll be back with part two of this exploration, where we will ask just how the very real tragedy of mental healthcare in this nation gets tied into government intervention and guns.

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The far bigger threat to the black family is mass incarceration, not welfare. Mass incarceration is a direct result of the war on drugs.

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM

No, it’s the drug use. The mass incarceration is a result of more blacks being involved with the trade and use of drugs.

Which is understandable with the sale of illegal drugs. Risk, but low capital investment = large profits

sentinelrules on December 18, 2012 at 12:19 PM

“I am sending the Muslim Brotherhood twenty F-16 fighter planes. Now give me your guns.” -Obooba.

Akzed on December 18, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Sugar britches is a funny saying. Makes me laugh every time I see it. Thanks! I needed a laugh. ; )

Bmore on December 18, 2012 at 12:23 PM

No, it’s the drug use. The mass incarceration is a result of more blacks being involved with the trade and use of drugs.

Oh honey. The propaganda has worked on you.

http://healthland.time.com/2011/11/07/study-whites-more-likely-to-abuse-drugs-than-blacks/

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 12:24 PM

They are missing the most improtant issue. Guns are only an instrument of these perverted minds not the casue. The cause is a sick, Godless, hedonistiic, amoral culture where there is no right or wrong but only infinite shades of gray. Our way of life and attitudes are creating and nurturing these dangerous social abberations and no gun control laws or high minded speaches by pandering politicians will change our despicable condition

rplat on December 18, 2012 at 12:24 PM

He was an honest man who correctly viewed the CRA as an infringement on civil rights. It didn’t mean that he was opposed to civil rights, despite your apparent affinity for the logical fallacy of the undistributed middle.

Akzed on December 18, 2012 at 12:11 PM

And can you honestly not understand why that would be totally unpersuasive to black voters? Remember jim Crow wasn’t just a set of laws that denied black people citizenship, it was also a legal system that allowed southern whites to use violence, and even murder, to prevent black people from changing things on a state level. Do you think federal law was the first move of the civil rights movemenT? Are you suggesting that the deep south of Mississippi, Alabama or Georgia would have changed on their own?

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Dick’s Sporting Goods no longer carrying its most popular rifle.

Akzed on December 18, 2012 at 12:31 PM

libfreeordie,

What do you know of black ranchers and farmers in east Texas?

1. They have owned their lands from pre-civil war time.

2. They are great bussiness people and live free.

3. They own and use guns for protection and most have CCP’s.

4. Many or now helping estabilsh the Republican Party in East Texas where the Democrat Party “Old White Men’s Clubs” have run things for 70 years.

5. It will work.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 18, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Oh honey. The propaganda has worked on you.

http://healthland.time.com/2011/11/07/study-whites-more-likely-to-abuse-drugs-than-blacks/

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Snookums, studies look a lot more better when Alcohol is added to abused drugs list.

Too bad the 18th Amendment was replaced by the 21st.

sentinelrules on December 18, 2012 at 12:32 PM

I can not imagine the level of naivete it takes to believe that everything in the world is actually really simple and there’s no such thing as grey area. Also how do you interact with other humans? libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Proposition: We should strive to arm at least ten percent of all public school personnel.

What’s the grey area here?

Akzed on December 18, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Akzed on December 18, 2012 at 12:36 PM

libfreeordie,

What do you know of black ranchers and farmers in east Texas?

1. They have owned their lands from pre-civil war time.

2. They are great bussiness people and live free.

3. They own and use guns for protection and most have CCP’s.

4. Many or now helping estabilsh the Republican Party in East Texas where the Democrat Party “Old White Men’s Clubs” have run things for 70 years.

5. It will work.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 18, 2012 at 12:32 PM

More power to them!

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 12:38 PM

And can you honestly not understand why that would be totally unpersuasive to black voters? Remember jim Crow wasn’t just a set of laws that denied black people citizenship, it was also a legal system that allowed southern whites to use violence, and even murder, to prevent black people from changing things on a state level. Do you think federal law was the first move of the civil rights movemenT? Are you suggesting that the deep south of Mississippi, Alabama or Georgia would have changed on their own?

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Not “southern whites” … southern democrats, specifically.

darwin on December 18, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Snookums, studies look a lot more better when Alcohol is added to abused drugs list.

Too bad the 18th Amendment was replaced by the 21st.

sentinelrules on December 18, 2012 at 12:32 PM

http://www.samhsa.gov/data/NSDUH/2k10NSDUH/2k10Results.htm

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 12:40 PM

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Indeed, there was a time when the Republican Party was a liberal party – in the classical sense of “Liberal”.

That’s why EVERY piece of civil rights legislation passed by congress – from the Civil War on – was sponsored and passed by REPUBLICANS.

You’re welcome, liveasaslaveanddie.

You might also remember that the democRAT party is the one who formed, armed and paid for the ku klux klan; and that they hung more white people for being Republican and helping blacks than they did blacks. Your democRATs are the ones who passed – where possible – ALL of the ‘jim crow’ laws to keep blacks “in their place”.
White Republicans suffered and died so that blacks could enjoy freedom in America. Freedom which your democRAT party sought to deny them.

You’re welcome, liveasaslaveanddie.

Solaratov on December 18, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Not “southern whites” … southern democrats, specifically.

darwin on December 18, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Do you know what the “solid south” refers to? After Reconstruction there were almost no southern Republicans. And if you look at the roll call vote for the 1964 CRA you’ll see that southern Republicans voted with Southern Democrats.

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 12:41 PM

http://www.samhsa.gov/data/NSDUH/2k10NSDUH/2k10Results.htm

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Yup, read that too.

Blacks – 10.7
Whites – 9.1

10.7 is higher than 9.1

sentinelrules on December 18, 2012 at 12:42 PM

You’re welcome, liveasaslaveanddie.

Solaratov on December 18, 2012 at 12:40 PM

The level of hatred and vitriol and derangement in your post is concerning.

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 12:43 PM

A Violent Society

There are very violent parts of our society. Maybe someone would give us all a demographic breakdown of the problem?

Once again, they are trying to push un-Constitutional laws on the rest of us to cover their protected groups and to use the problems of the minority and the lowest common denominator to take away the rights of the majority.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 18, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Do you know what the “solid south” refers to? After Reconstruction there were almost no southern Republicans. And if you look at the roll call vote for the 1964 CRA you’ll see that southern Republicans voted with Southern Democrats.

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Yeah, 10 Southern GOP congressmen and one Southern GOP Senator. A really large sample size there.

sentinelrules on December 18, 2012 at 12:45 PM

More power to them!

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Congrats. You’re officially a Republican.

hawkdriver on December 18, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Why isn’t the tragedy of the murder rate in black and brown inner city areas enough to push the nation towards gun control? Its actually starting to bother me.

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Why don’t you ask the liberal media this question? See how much the left cares for the plight of the inner city residents? They’re not even worth an honorable national news mention.

totherightofthem on December 18, 2012 at 12:50 PM

forces which have been waiting for the perfect storm of outrage were moving to use the deaths of innocents as an excuse to portray this week as the ideal time to “open a national dialogue” on limiting the second first amendment rights of United States citizens the mainstream media.

Lets see how they like them apples.

agmartin on December 18, 2012 at 12:59 PM

hawkdriver on December 18, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Still quite a distance to go for that one before being a Conservative though.

Bmore on December 18, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Ooh, it can read.

lostmotherland on December 18, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Oooh. That’s the absolute best you can, lostmotherf****r? F-

Go somewhere and cry, b!tch. Nobody cares.

Did you fill out your butthurt report yet, princess? You need to get that in quickly so you can get lots of sympathy.Just email it to Troll Central, c/o Intarwebz Hq.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc85/Mamba1-0/Stet/butthurtreport.jpg

Meanwhile…FOAD

Solaratov on December 18, 2012 at 1:05 PM

I can not imagine the level of naivete it takes to believe that everything in the world is actually really simple and there’s no such thing as grey area. Also how do you interact with other humans?

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 12:08 PM

LOL! Maybe I am naive, but to me, most things are pretty simple. I actually interact with people pretty well, and I often find myself in the position of being called upon for advice and help, which means that my naive and simplistic thoughts must be valued by those around me.

I admit that being a liberal gay black man might make for a more complicated life than I have, but it doesn’t mean you can’t tell wrong from right.

Night Owl on December 18, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Here is how far liberals are willing to go to protect their latest anti-gun push. I can’t list the link here but it’s on Drudge, in red on the right side of the page.

“FACEBOOK Suspends Account For Questioning Official Narrative on Shooting…”

Liam on December 18, 2012 at 1:11 PM

On a pure intellectual level, that’s fascinating. What changed in the NRA?

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 11:29 AM

Chicago..Detroit..Los Angeles..Washington, DC..New York City……

The ‘knock-out game’…flash mobs…’Grt Whity” night….

And, the modern NRA believes in the absolute right of the people to defend themselves. Not just the right of the “elite”.

Solaratov on December 18, 2012 at 1:16 PM

GET…

Solaratov on December 18, 2012 at 1:16 PM

when you actually *know* impoverished people you see the various ways that institutional racism produces and exacerbates the poor decisions of youth. The far bigger threat to the black family is mass incarceration, not welfare. Mass incarceration is a direct result of the war on drugs.

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM

I know lots of impoverished people. FEMA labeled the county I reside in as the 3rd poorest in the nation for FY 2012. But I fail to see what institutional racism has to do with it since the county is predominately white. It is multiple generations of broken families and welfare that exacerbated the problem not racism.

Yes, mass incarceration is a result of the war on drugs but you have your cause and effect wrong.

chemman on December 18, 2012 at 1:21 PM

Jerks can’t tell you what the appropriate or acceptable amount of cartridges for a magazine are.

Bmore on December 18, 2012 at 11:34 AM

They’re still trying to figure out why anybody would put cartridges in a copy of Mother Jones, Salon or Counterpunch.

They always put cartridges in clips.

//

Solaratov on December 18, 2012 at 1:22 PM

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Sorry, that has no basis in fact. McCarty, Poole, and Rosenthal’s 2008 book Polarized America, a left-wing text on income inequality and ideological polarization, demonstrates that the Southern realignment was about the emergence of a younger generation of newly middle-class college educated Republicans, not a party shift of old Southern Democrats. War generation southerners and those without college degrees were still Democrats up until the 2000s when the Democrats stopped even disputing state and local elections in non-VRA districts, while younger Boomers and older Gen-Xers, most of them the first in their family to go to college or join the middle class, formed the Southern Republican wave of the late 70′s and 80′s.

But hey, if your mythology works for you more power to you. Unfortunately, the facts, as evidenced by political scientists on your own side, say otherwise.

mabryb1 on December 18, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Uh oh! Looks like the gun grabbing is just a false flag operation.

a capella on December 18, 2012 at 1:25 PM

http://gunway.s3.amazonaws.com/shot_photos/fb265323dbf2ac586f4505009a26fd65.jpg

Violent society. “Fixing” that would require a rewrite of the genetic code – the Encyclopedia of Wars is fairly thick. I play “violent” video games – I’m also a retired OEF and OIF vet, I do not feel the urge to murder children. My kids used guns, hunted, played some of the same games, and are serving honorably in the military…I don’t buy the video game angle.

Of course the Democrats will go after guns, because they’re stupid and cannot think. And they don’t care how many regular people would get killed resisting cops in some kind of mass confiscation scheme. I’m pretty certain that there’s a number of them dying for an excuse to have armed government agents of one sort or another crack down (lethally) on evil conservatives. What’s worse is that the number of real victims (rape, assault, murder) after a gun confiscation would necessarily skyrocket – the crooks don’t care about the law anyway.

But here’s my experience from OEF/OIF. The bad guys will find weapons – and if there’s none to be had, somebody will be happy to provide them. There, it was Syria, Iran, Saudi – hell, in Mexico the US provided guns to the cartels (I’m thinking the numbers cited are understated by orders of magnitude). They kill people with IEDs – improvised, meaning that it wasn’t a college grad putting it together, it was some dirt farmer with minimal instruction (Tim McVeigh?). They’re not only using military grade explosives, but there’s a new category called ‘novel’ explosives which are home made and just as good as the mil grade stuff. And they kill with knives. If somebody wants to kill somebody, they’ll find the weapons – it was illegal to own assault rifles in Iraq, but any vet will tell you every male in country has a fully auto AK47.

Finally crazy. You can’t fix crazy, and you can’t always spot crazy. You can only try to mitigate it. They should arm some of the teachers – do it like they did for the airline pilots: take volunteers, psych screen them, background checks (they already do that in AZ), and give them some professional training.

John_G on December 18, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Just thinking out loud here for a minute folks…..

When everybody gets done wringing their collective hands and blowing the snot out of their collective noses over the death of these 20 innocent young children that died last week….

Ask yourself, how can any nation that not only approved the murder of one and a quarter unborn babies last year (1,.214,000) to be closer — and used taxpayers money to perform these murders — how can that nation hold up it’s head and say that this week’s action was criminal – those other million plus, was not… or paraphrasing….

“How many of those 1.21 million unborn babies deserved to die at the hands of a scalpel instead of a Smith & Wesson or Rueger?”

And we claim to hold life as precious?

Pecozbill on December 18, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Oooh. That’s the absolute best you can, lostmotherf****r? F-

Go somewhere and cry, b!tch. Nobody cares.

Did you fill out your butthurt report yet, princess? You need to get that in quickly so you can get lots of sympathy.Just email it to Troll Central, c/o Intarwebz Hq.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc85/Mamba1-0/Stet/butthurtreport.jpg

Meanwhile…FOAD

Solaratov on December 18, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Pure hate. Merry Christmas!

lostmotherland on December 18, 2012 at 1:26 PM

lostmotherland

Seperation of Church and Hate.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 18, 2012 at 1:28 PM

No, it’s the drug use. The mass incarceration is a result of more blacks being involved with the trade and use of drugs.

Oh honey. The propaganda has worked on you.

http://healthland.time.com/2011/11/07/study-whites-more-likely-to-abuse-drugs-than-blacks/

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Yeah, those “corner boys” in Scarsdale, Wilmette, and Brentwood, they’ll light a Motherf***er up. They’re hard like that.

/eyeroll for the clown

M240H on December 18, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Pure hate. Merry Christmas!

lostmotherland on December 18, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Hotair Bigot says wut?

hawkdriver on December 18, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Senator Dianne Feinstein on terrorism and self-defence:

“Because less than twenty years ago I was the target of a terrorist group. It was the New World Liberation Front. They blew up power stations and put a bomb at my home when my husband was dying of cancer. And the bomb didn’t detonate. … I was very lucky. But, I thought of what might have happened. Later the same group shot out all the windows of my home.”

“And, I know the sense of helplessness that people feel. I know the urge to arm yourself because that’s what I did. I was trained in firearms. I’d walk to the hospital when my husband was sick. I carried a concealed weapon. I made the determination that if somebody was going to try to take me out, I was going to take them with with me.”

- Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) during Senate hearings on terrorism, 27 April 1995

Senator Dianne Feinstein on gun control:

“If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them, Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in, I would have done it.”

- Senator Dianne Feinstein, 1994

“Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe.”

– Senator Dianne Feinstein, 18 November 1993

Evidently, little people do NOT have a right to self-defence. Only the ruling class does.

Resist We Much on December 18, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Hotair Bigot says wut?

hawkdriver on December 18, 2012 at 1:33 PM

After all the things liberals say in public and here; after all the things they do by rote; after all the problems they have created and/or exacerbated–they wonder why half the country holds them in some level of contempt. Then claim to be victims when they push people’s buttons too long and much, and people lash back.

Liam on December 18, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Evidently, little people do NOT have a right to self-defence. Only the ruling class does.

Resist We Much on December 18, 2012 at 1:37 PM

But she says taking my gun away will make me feel safe! Maybe turning all my money over to them will make me feel rich. /

Night Owl on December 18, 2012 at 1:43 PM

when you actually *know* impoverished people you see the various ways that institutional racism produces and exacerbates the poor decisions of youth. The far bigger threat to the black family is mass incarceration, not welfare. Mass incarceration is a direct result of the war on drugs.

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Actually, no.

What you’re doing is screaming and bawling and squalling to get two things passed into law and incorporated into culture:

1) I am not responsible for anything because I’m black

2) You are required to give me everything I demand because I’m black

THIS is institutionalized racism, and it comes solely from you. You, your Barack Obama Party, your Congressional Racist Caucus, your Reverends Al Sharpton/Jeremiah Wright/Jesse Jackson, and the screaming Obamaphone Ladies that make up the black community.

Not one problem will be solved in society until you start owning up to your responsibilities rather than blaming your skin color.

northdallasthirty on December 18, 2012 at 1:43 PM

After all the things liberals say in public and here; after all the things they do by rote; after all the problems they have created and/or exacerbated–they wonder why half the country holds them in some level of contempt. Then claim to be victims when they push people’s buttons too long and much, and people lash back.

Liam on December 18, 2012 at 1:40 PM

We are so lucky that they established last week in Michigan that violence is okay if someone pushes you into it. I am feeling very pushed today.

Night Owl on December 18, 2012 at 1:45 PM

After all the things liberals say in public and here; after all the things they do by rote; after all the problems they have created and/or exacerbated–they wonder why half the country holds them in some level of contempt. Then claim to be victims when they push people’s buttons too long and much, and people lash back.

Liam on December 18, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Exactly.

We all know what libfreeordie is saying, and it’s very simple: do as I want or I will kill you.

Liberals like libfreeordie have nothing but contempt for life. You can see that in the streets of Chicago and Detroit, which are ruled by the Barack Obama Party, saturated in liberal doctrine, and absolutely devoted to liberal ideology.

And they blow each other away over a rap CD.

This is WHOLLY liberal doctrine. These children are liberals. They espouse all liberal doctrine. They behave perfectly in line with liberal morality and liberal values.

And those values are very straightforward: give me what I want or I will kill you.

northdallasthirty on December 18, 2012 at 1:47 PM

2. Learn your history. Black people (we’re humans, not “the blacks”) supported the GOP almost unanimously until the Kennedy Administration, not because the GOP did anything to earn that support, but because the Democrats stood for slavery, the Klan, Jim Crow and lynching.

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Nah. Nothing at all….aside from passing EVERY civil rights law since the civil war. In the face of virulent – and violent opposition from the democRATs.

What changed, you ask. The democRATs came up with the “great society” and the “war on poverty”, which promised blacks something for nothing; and which every race hustler in America jumped on immediately. No matter that they destroyed black towns, neighborhoods, schools and families in the process.
The race hustlers got rich…and LBJ bragged that “If we pass this, we’ll have those ni**ers votin’ deocRAT for the next two hundred years.” And, it looks as though he was right.
Unfortunately for the race hustlers, however, it seems that the illegal aliens are starting to replace you as the “downtrodden minority” of choice these days…and there just isn’t enough money or hypocrisy to pander to two large minorities at the same time. “Black” is out…”Brown” is in. Sorry ’bout that.

Solaratov on December 18, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Unfortunately for the race hustlers, however, it seems that the illegal aliens are starting to replace you as the “downtrodden minority” of choice these days…and there just isn’t enough money or hypocrisy to pander to two large minorities at the same time. “Black” is out…”Brown” is in. Sorry ’bout that.

Solaratov on December 18, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Nice touch.

+1000

Liam on December 18, 2012 at 2:01 PM

The first step to confiscation.

totherightofthem on December 18, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Is this a race & religion thread?

Regardless, Scarborough is one of many (and more to come) now former NRA acolytes.

verbaluce on December 18, 2012 at 2:31 PM

I like this!

And, I bet, there are a lot of retired persons with CCW who would volunteer some time to protect our children.

And maybe some districts could turn closets into panic rooms, with locks and armor on the doors. It wouldn’t be all that expensive compared to some other options–like leaving teachers and children defenseless against a maniac.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/44662_530646690281636_1861416741_n.jpg

Liam on December 18, 2012 at 2:35 PM

I’m curious–would anyone be interested in petitioning the White House to award the adults at Sandy Hook Elementary the Presidential Medal of Freedom? Most especially the late Victoria Soto.

How would someone go about getting such a petition online? Or, those who have websites maybe help in such a venture?

Liam on December 18, 2012 at 2:45 PM

The first step to confiscationcivil war.

totherightofthem on December 18, 2012 at 2:08 PM

FIFY

Doomsday on December 18, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Regardless, Scarborough is one of many (and more to come) now former NRA acolytes.

verbaluce on December 18, 2012 at 2:31 PM

Oh yeah, totally.

Gun sales surge across US after Newtown amid fears of crackdown

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/18/gun-sales-surge-newtown-crackdown

sentinelrules on December 18, 2012 at 3:09 PM

http://healthland.time.com/2011/11/07/study-whites-more-likely-to-abuse-drugs-than-blacks/

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Self reporting from 12-17 year olds? Yeah…thats probably trustworthy.

Actually I was hoping that drugs were a sort of rationalized reason for all the violence that seems to be engrained in much of the black culture, resulting in the high incarceration numbers for blacks. But if that study were true..and I doubt that it is..then what is the reason for such a disproportionate representation of violence and crime in the black culture? I would like to believe that it is drugs that has caused the black culture as a whole to be such a deluded and violent group of people. (note that I specify black culture and not blacks in general.)

If not drugs causing their dysfunctional world view, what else could it be…any ideas?

Mimzey on December 18, 2012 at 3:13 PM

Back in July 14 people were killed in a single FORD F-150 pickup crash. Time to ban F-150 sales. If there are no F-150′s than no more children will die. Right?
Now, about those out of control swimming pools…..

faol on December 18, 2012 at 3:15 PM

“NRA is as irrelevant as the Tea Party these days.”

Why don’t you test drive that theory in the next election? Get yourself your very own version of a Grover Norquist and make your candidates sign pledges to ban guns. Primary Democrats that won’t sign. See how well you do.

Just remember a few things:

1. You lost both Heller and McDonald and even Chuck Schumer has this message for you:

“The Left needs to admit that Americans have a Second Amendment right to bear arms.”

2. There are somewhere between 200 and 300 million guns in the US. Not all gun owners are Republicans or “tea baggers.” In fact, the two original plaintiffs (Shelley Parker and Otis McDonald) in the most significant 2nd Amendment cases in decades were urban African-Americans and NRA, specifically, declined to get involved in either case.

3. The murder rate is at the lowest it has been IN DECADES and has been since the expiration of the AWB and proliferation of CCW.

4. THE MURDER RATE IS LOWER THAN IT WAS DURING ANY YEAR THE ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN WAS IN EFFECT.

5. In 1986, few states had CCW laws. Now, CCW is a SHALL/MAY law in 45 states. 4 states have UNRESTRICTED carry laws. And, the last state banning concealed carry, Illinois, just had its CCW law struck down by the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. Again, this is not simply the result of the NRA/Republicans/Tea Partiers.

6. In 1993, 57% of Americans favoured gun control laws. By 2010, opinion polls consistently showed that more Americans placed greater importance on protecting the rights of gun owners (49%) than on restricting gun ownership in any way (45%). With Independents, 38% supported gun rights in 1993; now, 55% do. In 1993, only 18% of African- Americans supported gun rights; now, 35% do. A poll after Gabby Giffords was shot in the head showed that 65% of Americans opposed a ban on handguns.

“Americans’ support for stricter gun control laws has gradually declined over the last two decades, from 78% when this question was first asked in 1990 to 49% in 2008, and 44% in 2009 and again this year,” Gallup reported in 2010 survey results. Said the organization in 2011:


“A record-low 26% of Americans favor a legal ban on the possession of handguns in the United States other than by police and other authorized people. When Gallup first asked Americans this question in 1959, 60% favored banning handguns. But since 1975, the majority of Americans have opposed such a measure, with opposition around 70% in recent years.”

So, you run candidates that want to ban guns and take on the NRA. In 2016, make sure to take on Harry Reid, who got a grade of “B” from the NRA.

Resist We Much on December 18, 2012 at 3:18 PM

RINO extraordinaire, Peter King(Rino-NY) wants a AW ban as well. Yet, some people will trip over themselves to call this guy a conservative. It’s conservative Stockholm syndrome I tell ya.

Mr. Arrogant on December 18, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Resist We Much on December 18, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Let me just quickly say that ‘you rock’ in so many, many ways. I always look forward to your commentary, for both your insight and your manner of presentation.

As always, well done.

Midas on December 18, 2012 at 3:31 PM

“Violence” (as it used to be defined) is not axiomatically a bad thing.

Lawlessness IS.

Anarchy IS.

Not all violence is lawless or anarchy.

Not all lawlessness or anarchy is violent, either.

listens2glenn on December 18, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Ask yourself, how can any nation that not only approved the murder of one and a quarter unborn babies last year (1,.214,000) to be closer — and used taxpayers money to perform these murders — how can that nation hold up it’s head and say that this week’s action was criminal – those other million plus, was not… or paraphrasing….

“How many of those 1.21 million unborn babies deserved to die at the hands of a scalpel instead of a Smith & Wesson or Ruger?”

And we claim to hold life as precious?

Pecozbill on December 18, 2012 at 1:26 PM

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Ouch.

That’s about the fifth or more comment by somebody comparing abortion to the recent tragedy (that I’ve read), and all of them have been very good.

(I corrected the spelling of “Ruger”)

listens2glenn on December 18, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Why isn’t the tragedy of the murder rate in black and brown inner city areas enough to push the nation towards gun control? Its actually starting to bother me.

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 10:14 AM

See, if written from the perspective of evidence, facts, and a desire to keep politics and emotions out of the equation, that comment would read:

Why isn’t the tragedy of the murder rate in black and brown inner city areas enough to push the nation away from gun control which demonstrably makes them less safe, results in higher crime and murder rates, etc? Its actually starting to bother me.

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Since you and yours are incapable of evidence-based, factually driven and emotion/political agenda-free discourse, however, we get the drivel you keep bleating instead.

Midas on December 18, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Can I get some help, please? I’m asking people with websites to help put together a petition to the White House to award the Presidential Medal of Freedom to the adult heroes of Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Liam on December 18, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Camille Paglia has been warning for over decade about the time bomb we have created within young men by society’s war on boys. By the sound of the recent debate, she she still seems to be a lone voice.

rickyricardo on December 18, 2012 at 4:43 PM

C’mon, you libs! Work with me here on this!

Liam on December 18, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Parents can no longer take “No” for an answer from Washington when the topic turns to protecting children.

From the same people that bring you abortion on demand.

labrat on December 18, 2012 at 4:57 PM

The chickens of 60 years of ‘social-engineering’ are coming home to roost yet it’s the guns. What moral and intellectual cowardice.

LizardLips on December 18, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Let me just quickly say that ‘you rock’ in so many, many ways. I always look forward to your commentary, for both your insight and your manner of presentation.

As always, well done.

Midas on December 18, 2012 at 3:31 PM

Thanks. :-)

Resist We Much on December 18, 2012 at 5:00 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple-vehicle_collision

Just a few of the large scale multi-car wrecks on US highways:
Dec 1990, I-75 Calhoun, TN, 12 dead, 42 injured
Oct 2002, I-43 Wisconsin, 10 dead, 36 injured
Jan 2008, I-4 Florida, 4 dead, 38 injured

So when are we going to do something about banning these evil, dangerous automobiles?

http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/7782/are-more-people-accidentally-killed-by-doctors-than-accidentally-killed-by-guns

•There are 700,000 physicians in the United States.
•There are 120,000 accidental deaths in the United States caused by physicians every year, and the accidental death percentage per physician is 17.1%.
•There are 80 million gun owners in the United States.
•There are 1,500 accidental deaths from guns every year, regardless of age group, and the accidental death percentage per gun owner is 0.001875%.
This means, the letter points out, that doctors are 9,000 times more deadly than gun owners.

So when are we going to do something about banning these evil, dangerous doctors?

dentarthurdent on December 18, 2012 at 5:02 PM

So when are we going to do something about banning these evil, dangerous doctors?

dentarthurdent on December 18, 2012 at 5:02 PM

See, Obamacare.

totherightofthem on December 18, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Remember Foghorn Leghorn, Wiley Coyote? They were exihibit A in the war on violent TV for kids a few decades ago. Where are we now? Good times indeed.

AH_C on December 18, 2012 at 10:14 AM
So are you suggesting we ban products from Acme Corp?

Look, it is so easy to take a trajedy like the Newtown slayings and pretend that it can all be made better by banning something or spending more on something, or changing the law. But the reality is that evil exists in the world and society can’t always stop evil from happening.

I’m only disappointed that, as a society, we aren’t spending this week remembering those who were killed instead of listening to gasbags of all political ideologies use the incident for their own agendas.

Happy Nomad on December 18, 2012 at 10:24 AM

You misunderstand me. I am of the oipinion that evil always exist regardless of pop culture. The agenda against Looney Tunes and other “violent” cartoons was aimed at my parents, “it’s for the kids”, yada, yada. My parents scoffed at it then and even now, I relish sharing the merrie melodies classics with my own kids. My point was that the cartoon grabbers promised violence would go down if only we took those cartoons off the air. And what do we have now? Even more graphic carttons and so on. The libtards are forever busybodies talking about what we ought not to do. Exhibt B, Tipper Gore. Now there’s talk of grabbing games. Well my kids, even the then 4 now 6 year old, play Halo, COD, Assasain’s Creed etc, and any other war game, but I draw the line at gratuitous violence like GTA etc. At least the war games have defined good/evil, enemy/friend scenarios, compared to random mayhem just for kicks or stealing. But that’s for the parents to decide.

So if you come across a gamer that plays pretty well if erracticaly (he likes to drop his weapons and close in for the kill with shield & knife in COD), it’s probably my 6 yo, but he’s learning both tactically & strategically and getting better. :)

AH_C on December 18, 2012 at 5:14 PM

That’s the problem with this type of thinking. Lefties seem to think that manufacturing is some magical process and things can only be made when approved and sanctioned by government.

Walter Sobchak on December 18, 2012 at 2:10 PM

You’re the first person I’ve seen make this extremely relevant point.
Do people not realize how many people with modest machine shops can make just about anything – including fully automatic guns?

Does anyone realize how easy it is in fact to make your own flame thrower? What would the carnage have looked like, and how horrible would the deaths have been at Sandy Hook if that psycho had gone in with a homemade flame thrower and burned everyone to death?
Ban the guns and we will just see horrific mass murders by all kinds of homemade weapons.

OR – let people arm themselves for self defense against any possible weapon and see the number of deaths plummet.

dentarthurdent on December 18, 2012 at 5:14 PM

See, Obamacare.

totherightofthem on December 18, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Touche’

dentarthurdent on December 18, 2012 at 5:14 PM

I’m at a point where, if liberals have no clear solutions, they’re only arguing.

I’m done arguing.

Liam on December 18, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Joe Scarborough plays a great conservative on TV. But he is about as conservative as David Frum.

Faramir on December 18, 2012 at 5:26 PM

please drop Joe into somolia or the sudan alone with no provisions or documents. be needs to learn.

tom daschle concerned on December 18, 2012 at 6:39 PM

The far bigger threat to the black family is mass incarceration, not welfare. Mass incarceration is a direct result of the war on drugs.

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Are you really that stupid or are you just pretending this time?

98ZJUSMC on December 18, 2012 at 8:17 PM

They are missing the most improtant issue. Guns are only an instrument of these perverted minds not the casue. The cause is a sick, Godless, hedonistiic, amoral culture where there is no right or wrong but only infinite shades of gray. Our way of life and attitudes are creating and nurturing these dangerous social abberations and no gun control laws or high minded speaches by pandering politicians will change our despicable condition

rplat on December 18, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Ummm…yep.

98ZJUSMC on December 18, 2012 at 8:21 PM

And can you honestly not understand why that would be totally unpersuasive to black voters? Remember jim Crow wasn’t just a set of laws that denied black people citizenship, it was also a legal system that allowed southern whites to use violence, and even murder, to prevent black people from changing things on a state level. Do you think federal law was the first move of the civil rights movemenT? Are you suggesting that the deep south of Mississippi, Alabama or Georgia would have changed on their own?

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 12:29 PM

I know. That really sucked.

Why do Democrats do that?

I really wish they wouldn’t.

98ZJUSMC on December 18, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Why isn’t the tragedy of the murder rate in black and brown inner city areas enough to push the nation towards gun control? Its actually starting to bother me.

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Ask the Democrats who imposed Jim Crow. Ask the Democrats who opposed Voter’s Rights legislation, until it suited them. Ask the blacks, Catholics and White Republicans who were terrorized by the Democrat formed KKK? Ask the media who has no interest into the 80+% of black crime that is committed on….

….other blacks.

Ask the media why every hard core gun ban area seems to be the highest areas of gun-related crime?Ask the media why they cannot even correctly identify an assault weapon?

Do you know the difference?

Do your homework. Learn something, for a change.

98ZJUSMC on December 18, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Hum….. where are the faux tears for the 2,700 lives that were snuffed out TODAY in AMERICA.

Yep… in AMERICA since 1973….100 Sandy Hook’s have happened everyday, day in and day out for the last 40 years…. all thanks to a Supreme Court couldn’t find THE unalienable rights with which all human beings are endowed by their Creator and for the protection of which they institute governments. The foremost being LIFE.

This Government’s holocoust makes Nazi Germany’s look like a walk in the park.

roflmao

donabernathy on December 18, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Damn, Scarborough is one UGLY dude. Um, um, ummm…

purgatory on December 18, 2012 at 9:47 PM

lostmotherland on December 18, 2012

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012

…why don’t you two just dry hump each other…you’ll learn more!

KOOLAID2 on December 18, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Dick’s Sporting Goods no longer carrying its most popular rifle.

Akzed on December 18, 2012 at 12:31 PM

{{{Yawn}}}. Dick’s sucks. Cabela’s however, does carry it.

DevilsPrinciple on December 19, 2012 at 12:26 AM

lostmotherland on December 18, 2012

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012

…why don’t you two just dry hump each other…you’ll learn more!

KOOLAID2 on December 18, 2012 at 10:29 PM
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verbaluce on December 18, 2012

…and you can make it a menage a trio!

KOOLAID2 on December 19, 2012 at 4:27 AM

There is no better argument for the 2d Amendment than the knee jerk reactions of everybody with a D after their names writing and telling us that they want to kill people with guns. Well, my moronic marxists, I think I can safely tell you, the last thing you will do will be to will try to take the weapons of self defense from the people you have threatened. The last thing you will do.

Old Country Boy on December 19, 2012 at 8:34 AM

You might also remember that the democRAT party is the one who formed, armed and paid for the ku klux klan; and that they hung more white people for being Republican and helping blacks than they did blacks. Your democRATs are the ones who passed – where possible – ALL of the ‘jim crow’ laws to keep blacks “in their place”.
White Republicans suffered and died so that blacks could enjoy freedom in America. Freedom which your democRAT party sought to deny them.

You’re welcome, liveasaslaveanddie.

Solaratov on December 18, 2012 at 12:40 PM

And it was the dems that first came up with gun bans so that Blacks couldn’t defend themselves when the KKK came a’calling. Dems that banned educating Blacks, so they don’t get too uppity and start acting all white and intelligent. Dems that fleeced a lot of blacks out of their 40 acres via property tax laws and deliberate witholding of notifications until the sheriff showed up to aution the forclosed land. All trials and tribulations can be traced directly back to the demonrats, until they figured out how to make the new plantation based on dependency & fiscal slavery. Guess what, Blacks as a whole are being played and played again — as LBJ once said, for the next 200 years.

AH_C on December 19, 2012 at 8:35 AM

Just thinking out loud here for a minute folks…..

When everybody gets done wringing their collective hands and blowing the snot out of their collective noses over the death of these 20 innocent young children that died last week….

Ask yourself, how can any nation that not only approved the murder of one and a quarter unborn babies last year (1,.214,000) to be closer — and used taxpayers money to perform these murders — how can that nation hold up it’s head and say that this week’s action was criminal – those other million plus, was not… or paraphrasing….

“How many of those 1.21 million unborn babies deserved to die at the hands of a scalpel instead of a Smith & Wesson or Rueger?”

And we claim to hold life as precious?

Pecozbill on December 18, 2012 at 1:26 PM

While I respect your opinion, the tragedy last week has nothing to do with pro-choice.

A madman killed 26 innocent people. Women have the right to choose regarding abortion

Keep up the heated abortion argument, and continue losing the woman vote.

Redford on December 19, 2012 at 4:46 PM

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