The new horizon of gun control, part 1. “A Violent Society”

posted at 8:51 am on December 18, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

In the wake of one unspeakable tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut last week, the nation is facing yet another crisis which is bearing down on us like a storm. It would have been far preferable to leave such a battle until the tears of the mourners had dried, as I wrote this weekend, but those who would tiptoe in during the darkest hours to seize the high ground have no intention of waiting. By the time Monday morning had rolled around, forces which have been waiting for the perfect storm of outrage were moving to use the deaths of innocents as an excuse to portray this week as the ideal time to “open a national dialogue” on limiting the second amendment rights of United States citizens.

There were many examples to be found on the Sunday morning shows and virtually every other soapbox available in the public square. But when the work week started, I awoke to find a somewhat more disturbing example rolling out on Joe Scarborough’s show. (We can leave aside for the moment the endless discussion here of whether or not you think Morning Joe qualifies as a conservative. We’ve hashed it out before, but I still feel he has been, at heart, a needed conservative voice in a media market which reaches far more of the moderate, frequently undecided vote than the majority of speakers who inhabit more traditional right wing echo chambers.) Over the course of three hours, Joe rolled out a number of high profile guests, including previously solid second amendment supports such as Joe Manchin, who were suddenly “reevaluating” their views on gun control laws. But that was only after Joe himself delivered a lengthy soliloquy in a similar vein.

It’s rather lengthy, but rather than being accused of chopping something completely out of context, you can view the entire video here, or read the entire transcript here. I would like, however, to extract a couple of key portions which identify the three major themes which we will be hearing for weeks and months to come.

Politicians can no longer be allowed to defend the status quo. They must instead be forced to protect our children.

Parents can no longer take “No” for an answer from Washington when the topic turns to protecting children.

The violence we see spreading from shopping malls in Oregon, to movie theaters in Colorado, to college campuses in Virginia, to elementary schools in Connecticut, is being spawned by the toxic brew of a violent pop culture, a growing mental health crisis and the proliferation of combat-styled guns…

It’s not all about guns, or all about violent movies and video games. But we must no longer allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good. And we must not excuse total inaction by arguing that no single action can solve the problem and save our children.

This summarizes the three main points, each of which deserves attention. This is a “complex” problem, as the President’s press secretary told us and as you will be repeatedly informed. And it’s not really about gun control, you see. What they’re talking about here are strictly the sinister cases of mass shootings. Heck, they’re not really interested in your guns anyway. They’re working on a bigger picture… a cure for the societal cancer of the 21st century.

But I’m here to assure you that you should have no doubt that each of these three items winds up pointing back to the guns. The reasons we are told that “now is the time” to take up new gun control legislation are because there are three primary factors contributing to these mass shootings:

- The dangers of a violence obsessed, video game-driven society drained of the milk of human kindness
- A mental health care system which is producing far too many unstable individuals with easy access to weapons, and
- The proliferation of “military combat style guns”

Today, let’s take a brief look at the first one.

A Violent Society

The contention here is a familiar one, and not entirely without merit. It is repeatedly noted that we are raising generations of youths who watch violent movies and television shows depicting wanton mayhem and slaughter. They then log on to their computer and engage in a variety of video games where they are encouraged to issue forth and commit every form of murder and violence. And for those who choose to do so – and, we should note, are allowed to do so by their parents – this is certainly true. How could this not contribute to setting off the tripwires of cloistered, disaffected loners who take up arms and act out those fantasies in real life?

And perhaps there is something to that theory… for the dozen or so truly disturbed teens and young adults who wind up in these tragic headlines. Of course, that seems a bit of a harsh judgment upon the tens of millions of similar young people who watch theses shows, play these games, and yet somehow don’t wind up going on a shooting spree. And how, pray tell, were we to know if that same dozen violent maniacs wouldn’t have found another source to feed their dark proclivities? But let’s say for a moment that these movies, TV programs and games were the trigger mechanism.

What precisely is the remedy being proposed? The bottom line would obviously seem to be that we should limit the availability of weapons, thereby preventing them from living out their evil fantasies. And I will agree, for the sake of argument, that the lack of a gun would make their job considerably harder, and perhaps even discourage a few from the attempt. But as with so many other sad cases, the shooter last Friday didn’t even need to purchase a weapon. In fact, by some accounts – still under review since the media rushed to report on this story before they’d even gotten their socks on properly – he tried to buy a weapon, but failed due to the stringent laws already in place in Connecticut. But there were legal weapons aplenty in his own home, and he seized them.

But back to the remedy. Are we seriously suggesting that fixing the societal problems of these troubled teens and young adults would be best handled legislatively by the United States Congress? At what point did we stop asking how much of this social disease was brought on by a breakdown in civil society and the positive influence of a supportive, cohesive family environment? There is a vast and profitable market for movies, shows and games with a violent theme. Why? People are seeking this material out (with 99.999% of them handling it without going on a murder spree) and the market is delivering what sells. If we’re looking for a “cure” for this, begging the federal government to intervene in what constitutes desirable entertainment is a pale, sickly course. The real question should be why the material was desirable in the first place, and how families could be raising children to value other human traits more highly.

None of this sounds like the province of the government at any level, at least to my way of thinking. And using the recent tragedy as an excuse to demand government intervention to fix a broken social structure appears foolhardy in the extreme.

I’ll leave you with the video of the Scarborough editorial. Tomorrow, I’ll be back with part two of this exploration, where we will ask just how the very real tragedy of mental healthcare in this nation gets tied into government intervention and guns.

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Force the teachers unions to use dues to pay for armed security in every school.

If they refuse, start a national campaign on why the unions hate children.

If it works for them….

rightside on December 18, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Maybe it’s just my circle of friends and family but I don’t know a single person who is crying for more gun control. No one is talking about it at work either.

cadams on December 18, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Joe Scarborough = Helen Lovejoy

?

Valkyriepundit on December 18, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Maybe it’s just my circle of friends and family but I don’t know a single person who is crying for more gun control. No one is talking about it at work either.

cadams on December 18, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Agreed. The only talk is about buying.

gophergirl on December 18, 2012 at 9:01 AM

This is just another excuse for the radical gun control freaks to make noise. Push back hard, lest you lose another freedom.

rplat on December 18, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Jeffery Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy and Jerry Sandusky (who has put his victims through a living hell before they die) have destroyed multiple lives as well. Are their crimes somehow less destructive because they did it one at a time rather than all at once?

Sandy Hook was horrific. So were these other crimes. None of the other three used a gun, but they did have one thing in common: homosexuality. Do we now need to ban homosexuality?

rbj on December 18, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Idiots on this morning show tried to temper their arguments saying that they only wanted to outlaw assault weapons and then would transition into glock pistols are bad too.

Liberals- sheesh. Yes Joe you are liberal

Bensonofben on December 18, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Give no ground. No incremental reduction of rights.

hawkdriver on December 18, 2012 at 9:05 AM

Maybe it’s just my circle of friends and family but I don’t know a single person who is crying for more gun control. No one is talking about it at work either.

cadams on December 18, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Agreed. The only talk is about buying.

Probably just the right wing hard core NRA cultists you live and work with. Most normal people are appalled.

lostmotherland on December 18, 2012 at 9:06 AM

I’ll leave you with the video of the Scarborough editorial.

mmmmmm, NOPE. Not clicking it.

Tired of hearing their lies and propaganda.

Why do I need to hear another Big government loving Progressive that is a squishy, no principles politician?

PappyD61 on December 18, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Wouldn’t you like to know how many and what kind of weapons are owned by these leftist hypocrites and their bodyguards? Why don’t they set an example for us and be the first to disarm themselves? Fat chance bub.

50sGuy on December 18, 2012 at 9:06 AM

The largest contributor to violence in any society is diversity.

The more diverse a population, the more conflict (including violence).

The more conflict, the more outside force that is required to quell the violence.

This is why the progressives want so much diversity.

It gives them a reason to use government force on the citizens.

Not allowing citizens to defend themselves creates a vacuum for government to fill.

Defenseless citizens are forced to look to government to protect them.

The progressives disarm the citizens making them vulnerable, push a society of massive diversity to cause conflict, when the conflict results in violence or violence erupts for any reason, then the progressives can look like heroes by proposing to protect their newly enslaved citizens.

astonerii on December 18, 2012 at 9:07 AM

We can’t keep applying fantasy fixes to problems, and expect things to turn out OK. Restricting guns to solve a mental health problem we created in 1963, with the Community Mental Health Act is never going to work.

claudius on December 18, 2012 at 9:07 AM

they passed obamacare, got roberts to fold, mitt to lick and boehner to bend over.

why wouldn’t they think they couldn’t take away our guns?

renalin on December 18, 2012 at 9:08 AM

Politicians can no longer be allowed to defend the status quo. They must instead be forced to protect our children.

Parents can no longer take “No” for an answer from Washington when the topic turns to protecting children.

Hey Joe…….

2,700 children killed in the womb everyday in this country with the full support of this country for nearly 40 years.

When the Federal government stops funding holocaust in the womb and now FORCING private religious groups to perform them or lose overall funding…..

…..THEN the government can talk.

PappyD61 on December 18, 2012 at 9:08 AM

Probably just the right wing hard core NRA cultists you live and work with. Most normal people are appalled.

lostmotherland on December 18, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Appalled, yes, but not asking for more gun control as the polls indicate.

sentinelrules on December 18, 2012 at 9:08 AM

But that was only after Joe himself delivered a lengthy soliloquy in a similar vein.

Oh, I was missing those MSNBCs “Speshul Komments” delivered with frothy saliva. How many “MISTER Bush”s were there?

Marcus on December 18, 2012 at 9:09 AM

We’ve hashed it out before, but I still feel he has been, at heart, a needed conservative voice in a media market which reaches far more of the moderate, frequently undecided vote than the majority of speakers who inhabit more traditional right wing echo chambers.

That would be true if Scarborough had a conservative voice. He’s a moderate at best in a radical left echo chamber. That doesn’t make him a conservative, just less liberal. Sorry but that is the truth. It’s like looking thinner by hanging around with fat people.

And any American who justifies gutting the Constitution under the meme of “changing the status quo” is really just saying that they want to ban guns. To do so when the dead of Newtown have yet to be buried is just opportunistic partisanship.

Happy Nomad on December 18, 2012 at 9:10 AM

sssssshhhhhhhhh, Dirty little secret.

Guns scare Progressives because…..

..they don’t want people to be able to defend themselves from what the Progressives want/MUST to do to them.

PappyD61 on December 18, 2012 at 9:11 AM

The insertion of issue politics into this tragedy before parents have even buried their children is probably the most despicable display of inhumanity I have ever witnessed.

The simple fact is that none of the gun proposals on the table would have prevented this tragedy. Yet once again liberals have taken advantage of a terrible crisis to dust off their legislative ambitions.

We should have a “national discussion”, yet Democrats already have the answers. Sound familiar? This opportunist approach has become their sine qua non for diluting rights, stealing liberties and growing the largess of government.

Their “solutions” have nothing to do with solving the problem.

Once again we have a murderer who was alleged to be a “genius” who successfully navigated the system (vis a vis’ his parent) to avoid both the proper mental health labeling and treatment for his illness. His mother then loaded the house with lethal firearms and taught this piece of garbage to shoot. You’ll have to help me understand how banning magazines and assault weapons would have changed this situation?

The fact of the matter is these bans have zero to do with these tragedies. A murderer will kill with whatever he has available. Is Oklahoma City that distant in people’s memories?

Marcus Traianus on December 18, 2012 at 9:12 AM

We’ve hashed it out before, but I still feel he has been, at heart, a needed conservative voice in a media market which reaches far more of the moderate, frequently undecided vote than the majority of speakers who inhabit more traditional right wing echo chambers.

Right, because these people watch a far-left niche-channel like pMSDNC. And natually, you reserve the word “echo chamber” for the right. Shaw, you are as conservative as Scarborough.

Valkyriepundit on December 18, 2012 at 9:12 AM

The media has become emotive, group-hug, why-can’t-we-all-get-along, activist-journalism…

Give me logostical journalism: who what when where how!

These media types, like JS, has become feminized to the point of becoming prison sex toys on a soap box…

mjbrooks3 on December 18, 2012 at 9:12 AM

Probably just the right wing hard core NRA cultists you live and work with. Most normal people are appalled.

lostmotherland on December 18, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Everyone is appalled. It’s only the leftists who are willing to sacrifice the constitutional rights of others.

antipc on December 18, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Probably just the right wing hard core NRA cultists you live and work with. Most normal people are appalled.

lostmotherland on December 18, 2012 at 9:06 AM

That’s right, anybody who supports the Second Amendment must me a cultist. At least to left wing effeminate pansies who cry a the drop of a hat and thinks that they have the only valid viewpoint.

Here’s a little secret. Sandy Hook Elementary was a gun-free world. How’d that work out?

Happy Nomad on December 18, 2012 at 9:14 AM

True story about Diane Feinstein. When she was mayor of SF, and requiring everyone to turn in their handguns, it came to someone’s attention that she herself had an S&W revolver she hadn’t turned in. With great fanfare, she called a press conference at City Hall to turn in her weapon. She handed the blue box containing the gun to this crusty old police chief, who proceeded to open the box and check the weapon. He looked up his eyes wide with surprise. She had brought a loaded gun into City Hall!

claudius on December 18, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Probably just the right wing hard core NRA cultists you live and work with. Most normal people are appalled.

lostmotherland on December 18, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Right … most normal people are appalled, which is why you’re not. Your first thought was “how can we take away more rights from law abiding Americans to fulfill our communist goals”?

darwin on December 18, 2012 at 9:15 AM

“We really need to have a national conversation about significantly altering the 2nd 5th Amendment. The fact that murders are able to easily acquire firearms conceal the truth about their crimes is totally unacceptable in our modern, violent society. We need government intervention!”

Don’t go down the rabbit hole, folks.

JDF123 on December 18, 2012 at 9:15 AM

murderers*

JDF123 on December 18, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Maybe we wouldn’t be such a violent society if more people were focused on God and how He would have us live instead of trying to look like Lilo and Justin and live a life of excess. Our dear leader is just as guilty as the next of this. Look at all the parties he gives with celebrities. We’re not taking care of the mentally ill as we should and it’s leaving us vulnerable to their mayhem. We’ll never know what sets them off and no law can protect us.

Kissmygrits on December 18, 2012 at 9:18 AM

never let a crisis go to waste. our country is going down the toilet and obama and his pack of marxists are trying to distract everyonee with this gun grab business.

good luck with that bamster!

renalin on December 18, 2012 at 9:18 AM

This is not about guns. It is about control. Every socialist/marxist/leftist throughout history has disarmed the population and then just rounded up and killed the opposition. These leftists want your guns, your only means of resistance to an all powerful central socialist government. Those children didn’t mean squat to them (we’re talking about people who believe in partial birth abortion, they don’t care one little bit about a life their than their own)…nothing more than props used to push their leftist agenda. We will eventually have to fight this scum in the street or they will disarm us and send us off the gulag for reeducation. This is a war for the future and we must treat it like one.

Doomsday on December 18, 2012 at 9:20 AM

Probably just the right wing hard core NRA cultists you live and work with. Most normal people are appalled.

lostmotherland on December 18, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Yeah, brilliant observation there…..

…why every single person in my office packs an M-16
with their lunch every day!

“Right wing hard core NRA cultists”

Hmmm, I’ve never met such an individual, but if I were to, I’d
bet good money that they are far better and more Tolerant
than Sanitarium deprived, lotus eating, thumb sucking,
Leftist Azzwipes such as yourself.

ToddPA on December 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Probably just the right wing hard core NRA cultists you live and work with. Most normal people are appalled.

lostmotherland on December 18, 2012 at 9:06 AM

I work in a school in suburban Chicago, hardly a hotbed of “right wing hardcore NRA cultists”. Out of the dozen or so of my coworkers I’ve spoken with since the shooting, exactly one has brought up any kind of gun control proposal, specifically reinstating the ban on hi-cap mags.

Many more, however, think that what this country needs much more than new gun control laws is a serious look at how we approach mental health.

JimLennon on December 18, 2012 at 9:22 AM

How bout that abortion on demand?

tom daschle concerned on December 18, 2012 at 9:23 AM

She had brought a loaded gun into City Hall!

claudius on December 18, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Which is why liberals shouldn’t own guns. If you aren’t a responsible gun owner, which includes knowing how to use it and store it safely, then you shouldn’t have a gun in the first place.

Happy Nomad on December 18, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Probably just the right wing hard core NRA cultists you live and work with. Most normal people are appalled.

Appalled at the behavior of Democrats who once again seek to substitute emotion for substance.

You will have to articulate for everyone who is listening exactly how any of the gun restrictions being proposed would have prevented this tragedy or will prevent a repeat?

We are listening for a reasonable intellectual explanation and debate. If you can’t find it in you heart to have such a conversation, without schoolyard ad hominems and acting like a demagogue, then perhaps this isn’t the place for you.

Personally I believe it futile to engage a person who makes these types of appeals and thus has no credibility. But this is your chance.

Marcus Traianus on December 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM

So liberals work endlessly to destroy the family unit, shun traditional institutions and make people mindless dependents of the State, then blame guns when things start falling apart.

Dongemaharu on December 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Right Barack Scarborugh abortion on demand and Occutard Wall $treet have NOTHING to do with the cheapening of the ideas of the sanctity of life and the lack of honor we see today.

Joe you lie down with donks you get up with fleas and a sore butt.

harlekwin15 on December 18, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Dongemaharu on December 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM

They plan ahead. In many cases a hundred years of advanced planning to get to their goal.

astonerii on December 18, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Probably just the right wing hard core NRA cultists you live and work with. Most normal people are appalled.

lostmotherland on December 18, 2012 at 9:06 AM

You think the vast federal bureaucracy is actually going to increase safety in schools against evil I’d prefer people on the ground who are actually capable and willing to deal with it.

When a killer shows up at a “gun free zone” ready to kill all your ‘assault weapon’ and ‘high capacity magazine’ bans will not have changed anything for the killer – only those in the school who might have a better chance at defending themselves.

You’re also pushing for laws that will make it harder for women to defend themselves against male attackers who are likely to be bigger and stronger. You should be ashamed of yourself – the federal government isn’t going to be around when these women are attacked but you want the federal government to take away options they have for defending themselves.

gwelf on December 18, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Many more, however, think that what this country needs much more than new gun control laws is a serious look at how we approach mental health.

JimLennon on December 18, 2012 at 9:22 AM

You really think that those out there screaming for banning guns want to have a serious and objective look at the issues? The shooters in Tucson, Blacksburg, Aurora, and Newtown all were being treated for mental illness. The deficiencies are non-PC stuff like institutionalization in places other than prison. Yet, for all that, It wasn’t a high-capacity magazine that killed 27 people last Friday. This is merely an excuse to gut the Constititution.

Happy Nomad on December 18, 2012 at 9:30 AM

The people who don’t know the difference between a rifle and a shotgun are in complete and total control of the narrative.

We’re boned.

Pale Rider on December 18, 2012 at 9:30 AM

lostmotherland on December 18, 2012 at 9:06 AM

And then there are the hysterical hard core leftists like you who are using this incident to try to further your agenda. Ghoul.

Night Owl on December 18, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Maybe we wouldn’t be such a violent society if more people were focused on God and how He would have us live instead of trying to look like Lilo and Justin and live a life of excess. Our dear leader is just as guilty as the next of this. Look at all the parties he gives with celebrities. We’re not taking care of the mentally ill as we should and it’s leaving us vulnerable to their mayhem. We’ll never know what sets them off and no law can protect us.

Kissmygrits on December 18, 2012 at 9:18 AM

This.

Ward Cleaver on December 18, 2012 at 9:31 AM

As of today there have been 516 homicides in Chicago in 2012, last year at this time there were 411.

So…lefties…the slow motion mass-killing occurring in Chicago…why no news coverage…why no presidential visits and tearful speeches…why no “national dialogue”? Why do you hate Chicagoans?

Bishop on December 18, 2012 at 9:31 AM

But we must no longer allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good. And we must not excuse total inaction by arguing that no single action can solve the problem and save our children.

Is this going to be the arguement for passing laws that aren’t actually effective?

LilyBart on December 18, 2012 at 9:31 AM

So liberals work endlessly to destroy the family unit, shun traditional institutions and make people mindless dependents of the State, then blame guns when things start falling apart.

Dongemaharu on December 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM

A clear thread-winner candidate has emerged.

Pale Rider on December 18, 2012 at 9:32 AM

So liberals work endlessly to destroy the family unit, shun traditional institutions and make people mindless dependents of the State, then blame guns when things start falling apart.

Dongemaharu on December 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Pretty much. But you forgot the fact that they also are working on how to curtail the civil liberties that interfere with their socialist agenda.

Happy Nomad on December 18, 2012 at 9:32 AM

So liberals work endlessly to destroy the family unit, shun traditional institutions and make people mindless dependents of the State, then blame guns when things start falling apart.

Dongemaharu on December 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM

A clear thread-winner candidate has emerged.

Pale Rider on December 18, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Agree. What a great statement.

hawkdriver on December 18, 2012 at 9:33 AM

The largest contributor to violence in any society is diversity. . .

astonerii on December 18, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Entire astonerii post could not have been more spot on. Of course, there are those progressives numbskulls who would say it was “racist”. I would say it is called living in the “real world”. Hey progressives, how’s your non-judgemental secular dream world working out? I can’t even watch the news the last few days, there is nothing grounded in reality being said by anybody. Our lawmakers, even the ones with an “R” after their name are too stupid to know they are stupid. These twits don’t know a magazine from a clip and they are going to make new gun laws which make us sitting ducks for criminals and an overreaching Federal government. I am sick of the faux tears being poured out over this event. Off the camera they are high-fiving that they have the issue that will end in our slavery. If you have not already done so, arm up now and don’t forget to buy a burial container for your guns. I’ll bet my bottom dollar that arms dealers will have their biggest month ever and I’ll do my best to add to it.

SpiderMike on December 18, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Since the vast majority of mentally ill people never harm a fly, exactly what justification does anyone have to lock them up or give them drugs against their will?

I get it. The mentally ill are icky, you don’t like looking at them. Well, get over it. It’s no picnic for them, either.

There have been people complaining about the difficulty of raising children with MH issues. Again, not all diseases have cures and it’s not like we aren’t already spending huge amounts for research.

Blake on December 18, 2012 at 9:34 AM

So liberals work endlessly to destroy the family unit, shun traditional institutions and make people mindless dependents of the State, then blame guns when things start falling apart.

Dongemaharu on December 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM

+1

gwelf on December 18, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Probably just the right wing hard core NRA cultists you live and work with. Most normal people are appalled.

lostmotherland on December 18, 2012 at 9:06 AM

What a clown bigot you are.

hawkdriver on December 18, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Probably just the right wing hard core NRA cultists you live and work with. Most normal people are appalled.

lostmotherland on December 18, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Why don’t you get back to us after the federal government has finally won the current social wars on poverty and drugs before moving on to another front that the people can actually solve themselves.

gwelf on December 18, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Probably just the right wing hard core NRA cultists you live and work with. Most normal people are appalled.

lostmotherland on December 18, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Most normal people don’t use non-sequiturs to make an argument. It’s illogical and stupid.

RadClown on December 18, 2012 at 9:37 AM

This is just another excuse for the radical gun control freaks to make noise. Push back hard, lest you lose another freedom.

rplat on December 18, 2012 at 9:01 AM

This should be an easy call for those of us who still believe in the Constitution. But we have people like Rubio throwing in with the gun-control lobby. You sure you want this guy for President?

Why is Rubio doing this? I thought he was too busy working on Amnesty for MS-13 and other illegal alien crimminals?

Alabama Infidel on December 18, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Since Lost contributes noting but insults, why is he allowed to post here?

Blake on December 18, 2012 at 9:38 AM

http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html

22-year old Nick Meli is a hero, but you won’t hear about his bravery from the LSM. He used his concealed weapon to save lives without firing a single shot.

Lostmotherland, if he had saved one of your family members, would you still object to him legally carrying a firearm inside a mall?

Pale Rider on December 18, 2012 at 9:39 AM

If you have not already done so, arm up now and don’t forget to buy a burial container for your guns. I’ll bet my bottom dollar that arms dealers will have their biggest month ever and I’ll do my best to add to it.

SpiderMike on December 18, 2012 at 9:34 AM

My collection is now lying at the bottom of Lake Superior. Seems I accidentally put them in my boat, a sudden wind came up, the waves got big, the boat tipped and down they went. Tragic. All I have left is this old single shot bolt action .22, the rest are gone.

*sobs*

Meanwhile every online sites I normally use to buy PMAGS and such are strangely and suddenly out of stock on most everything, it’s almost as if American citizens are reacting to the approaching government overreach.

Bishop on December 18, 2012 at 9:39 AM

As of today there have been 516 homicides in Chicago in 2012, last year at this time there were 411.

So…lefties…the slow motion mass-killing occurring in Chicago…why no news coverage…why no presidential visits and tearful speeches…why no “national dialogue”? Why do you hate Chicagoans?

Bishop on December 18, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Well Bishop, Chicago is fighting to be #1 at something… at the moment it seems it is due to gangs and violence.

upinak on December 18, 2012 at 9:42 AM

My collection is now lying at the bottom of Lake Superior. Seems I accidentally put them in my boat, a sudden wind came up, the waves got big, the boat tipped and down they went. Tragic. All I have left is this old single shot bolt action .22, the rest are gone.

*sobs*

Meanwhile every online sites I normally use to buy PMAGS and such are strangely and suddenly out of stock on most everything, it’s almost as if American citizens are reacting to the approaching government overreach.

Bishop on December 18, 2012 at 9:39 AM

I’m convinced that Feinstein and Shumer own a lot of stock in the gun industry.

gwelf on December 18, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Another day another crisis the left wants to exploit. Why am I against gun control? Because I don’t want to stand back and watch a bunch of opportunistic hyenas sit around and eat the gun control elephant one bite at a time. Or to use the proverbial cliche, let’s not let the camel get its nose under the tent.These zealots just want to gain a small foothold on restricting our 2nd amendment rights so they can start nibbling away at the rest of them. Let’s see, why don’t we start with the innocent high capacity magazine. And while we’re at it, let’s re-define what an assault weapon is. Automatic versus Semi-Automatic? Nah, like the scare word “global warming”, it’s not inclusive enough. Let’s call it “rapid firing weapons”. That way we can include any pistol that can fire 2 bullets in succession. Don’t you see how it all works?

Gun control doesn’t work. Look at Russia, Mexico and Brazil that have tougher gun control laws than we do and have a murder rate that is higher. Norway has strict gun control laws but that didn’t stop that butcher from slaughtering 80 or 90 kids. Here in the states most of the savagery occurs in strong gun control cities and states like New York and Chicago, or in other words, left wing, let’s coddle-the-criminal, blue states.

If it’s an honest discussion about gun control the left wants, let’s make it really honest. Only proven facts and statistics can be used. No emotional hype allowed. Honest discussion? That’s just a canard.

Here’s a good way to have a discussion – Deciphering How Statists Think about Gun Control

And while we’re on the subject, every act of evil cannot be explained away as a “mental illness”. That just hides the true facts most people don’t want to face. Evil exists. Pure and simple. God’s Word says “But they listened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.”

iamsaved on December 18, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Just had a scary thought. In order to helps persuade those ‘moderates’ on the fence to vote for more gun control, the government will agree to having armed guards in the schools/classrooms, they will propose that those position be staffed by unionized members of Dept. of Homeland security or some new branch of the TSA.

RAN58 on December 18, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Since the vast majority of mentally ill people never harm a fly, exactly what justification does anyone have to lock them up or give them drugs against their will?

Blake on December 18, 2012 at 9:34 AM

One of the commonalities between the shooters in Tucson, Blacksburg, Aurora, and Newtown was that they were being treated for mental illness and had exhibited signs before they slayed others. In short, these people are not part of the “vast majority” of mentally ill people.

An mental health activist (who clearly had her own agenda) was on local radio this morning. She made the point that it is tough to find a bed for somebody needing in-patient mental health services. And, even if you do, discharge happens when the threat to the individual or others has passed even though some of the drugs used for treatment can take weeks to kick in. This is the kind of stuff that should be discussed in the wake of the Newtown shootings instead of allowing anti-Constitutionalists to go out after the Second Amendment.

Happy Nomad on December 18, 2012 at 9:42 AM

This is just another opportunity to point out the utter failure of the “gun control” laws that led to the slaughter of defenseless innocent people once again by an evil person in our society. The is an issue going nowhere that is on distracting attention away from the real economic issues we are facing right now. As long as the left wants to operate in a fantasy land why don’t they just ban evil?

Ellis on December 18, 2012 at 9:43 AM

If you have not already done so, arm up now and don’t forget to buy a burial container for your guns. I’ll bet my bottom dollar that arms dealers will have their biggest month ever and I’ll do my best to add to it.

SpiderMike on December 18, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Make your own out of PVC pipe.

upinak on December 18, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Force the teachers unions to use dues to pay for armed security in every school.

If they refuse, start a national campaign on why the unions hate children.

If it works for them….

rightside on December 18, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Let’s put that seed of sense into every teacher’s minds !!
Could be possible, if they’re getting scared.
Not a bad idea !!

pambi on December 18, 2012 at 9:44 AM

SpiderMike on December 18, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Make your own out of PVC pipe.

upinak on December 18, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Wooded areas are best.

Three feet or deeper. GPS the site.

hawkdriver on December 18, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Wooded areas are best.

Three feet or deeper. GPS the site.

hawkdriver on December 18, 2012 at 9:46 AM

near tree make the best cover and not many will notice.

upinak on December 18, 2012 at 9:48 AM

None of this sounds like the province of the government at any level, at least to my way of thinking. And using the recent tragedy as an excuse to demand government intervention to fix a broken social structure appears foolhardy in the extreme.

I find it laughable that we have people that think Washington can “fix” any problem when they can’t even begin to solve matters like the “fiscal cliff” (a problem that Washington brought on in the first place).

Bitter Clinger on December 18, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Probably just the right wing hard core NRA cultists you live and work with. Most normal people are appalled.

lostmotherland on December 18, 2012 at 9:06 AM

…so tell us genius….when you and your liberal friends are done taking all the guns away from law abiding citizens because a very small minority of people commit acts of murder with them…..
…………will you then round up all the muslims and lock them away since a larger percentage of them are involved in terrorist acts around the world and kill thousands on a yearly basis.

Baxter Greene on December 18, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Don’t be fooled. They’re coming.

Sub-headings like that should be put to music. Perhaps a theremin, to give it that eerie, high-tension sci-fi movie feel. Or perhaps the theme from Jaws

:P

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on December 18, 2012 at 9:48 AM

the problem with the American culture is that the media perpetuates the glorification of violent gun use through its film and television broadcasts. yet, we now are 100+ years into a progressive era that pushes for more and more restrictive gun laws that do nothing more than remove guns from the hands of responsible citizens. these two events cannot co-exist without bloodshed.

long_cat on December 18, 2012 at 9:49 AM

If it’s an honest discussion about gun control the left wants, let’s make it really honest.

iamsaved on December 18, 2012 at 9:42 AM

They don’t. They want to exploit the deaths of those 20 children to further an agenda they’ve had for decades. Led by anti-constitutional groups like the Brady crowd, they want to abolish the Second Amendment. An unarmed populace is much easier to force into submission than an armed one.

What ever vitriol they spew this week has absolutely nothing to do with making the world a better place. Keep that in mind when you read about so-called moderates wanting to have a discussion. They don’t want a conversation that would require respect for other viewpoints.

Happy Nomad on December 18, 2012 at 9:49 AM

I see two bad approaches driving this debate:

1. An approach based on personal pain of parents. Obama typically cites his personal experience for his public stances. The problem with personal experience is it separates us into groups, into those who share the personal experience, and those who don’t. Yes, the pain of all parents in seeing children like theirs killed is valid. But non-parents not only feel pain at it too, but also live under the laws we make. Laws don’t feel pain, they don’t grieve, they aren’t parents. Laws need to be made and applied objectively. New gun laws being considered now are likely being considered subjectively, based on, as Obama has highlighted, the personal pain of parents, such as Obama’s pain in pondering that it could have been Sasha or Malia killed.

2. An approach based on a dynamic in “Atlas Shrugged”. In the book, laws and regulations were put in place not such much to solve problems, but to absolve those in authority of responsibility, to “pass the buck”. As Guy Benson posted yesterday night, it’s the attitude, “we need to do something, to send a message, even if it doesn’t make sense”. It’s an authority working to be seen in a good light, even if they’re not actually doing anything worthwhile. The day before the shooting, the Ohio Senate passed a pro-gun bill. There are calls now for Kasich to veto it, to “send a message” that, I guess, that we care. Kasich said he’s going to sign it:

Kasich intends to sign gun bill, rejecting call for a veto in wake of Connecticut shootings
Aaron Marshall, The Plain Dealer By Aaron Marshall, The Plain Dealer
on December 17, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Columbus — Gov. John Kasich said Monday he intends to sign a new concealed carry law allowing guns into the Statehouse parking garage, rejecting a call to veto the bill in the wake of last week’s shootings in Connecticut.

So we have

1. Laws being proposed based on feelings, rather than an objective analysis.
and
2. Laws being proposed because we need to “do something”, to assauge the guilt of authorities.

Both bad approaches to making law.

Paul-Cincy on December 18, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Let me check Joe’s ratings…yeah, just what I thought. Nothing to see here.

Mr. Arrogant on December 18, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Force the teachers unions to use dues to pay for armed security in every school.

If they refuse, start a national campaign on why the unions hate children.

If it works for them….

rightside on December 18, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Negative Sir! Those dues are already spoken for. They are used to elect democrats.

Alabama Infidel on December 18, 2012 at 9:50 AM

The mental illness argument doesn’t work, either, unfortunately.

Full disclosure: I’ve been hospitalized for mental illness multiple times in my life.

Sure, let’s talk about mental illness. What will be the result? You have shifted the ground of the argument, but not its substance. Who here wants to be hospitalized, against their will, on the sole authority of an ‘expert’ who says you need it?

Note that this is actually less strict than a law that might say, for instance, that an anonymous tip could trigger an examination.

If you pass an actually ‘useful’ law that would help ‘fix’ the mental health ‘problem’, what do you do? You’re giving power to keep people somewhere until they’re ‘cured’. And who knows when you’re cured? The very people who put you there.

It doesn’t work. You have shifted the power to those who define ‘mental illness’. Liberals are scared that some conservatives consider homosexuality a ‘mental illness’. Well, how would they like a law that could be interpreted as, ‘Put all gays into insane asylums and psych wards until they’re no longer gay’? If you make the law less powerful, such as by having an independent review panel make the decision, you either just shift the authority or dilute it past the point of usefulness.

In this (post)modern world, you cannot trust anyone to actually have integrity. And, if you do, that can be worse.

(Inspiration for this post comes from Lewis’s Abolition of Man and The Poison of Subjectivity.)

Scott H on December 18, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Let me see. Last week the unions in Michigan tried to kill numerous people inside a tent…collapsing a tent on people can kill. If there were any lighted or electric object inside the tent, it could easily have set a fire. And then there’s suffocation and being hit by the poles. President Obama and the media approved the union actions.

Politicians are calling for blood in the street.

President Obama calls all Republicans “the enemy”.

President Obama’s premier supporter calls for all Republicans to be arrested and I assume be put in jail to be tortured or killed.

President Obama drops a case that was won against a man who called for the murder of all white babies.

President Obama attacks a white policeman without facts; he attacks a “white-Latino” without facts.

President Obama tells supporters to become aggressive in supporting him: “get in their faces”.

The press and the Democrats say the case against Susan Rice is racist and sexist and Republicans are guilty of both sins–even though the last two Repubublican Sec’s of State were black, one a woman. The press and Democats say all Tea Partiers are racists; the press and Democrats say opposition to Obamacare is sexist and racist. Obama and Dems in Congress have taken action to stop all opposition speech (internet, radio, TV), while leftists are advocating freeing terrorists and replacing them with Republicans.

Jamie Foxx tells us how great it is to kill “ALL” white people and declares the man who will do what he wants his “lord and savior”. (has anyone documented Foxx celebrating what he called for? It appears that the victims in Connecticut are all white people—Foxx must be dancing in the streets). Oh, and Hollywood rewards him with nominations for lots of awards. Their funny hero, who wants all white people killed–Jamie Foxx is the leading vocal advocate of race-based murder.

Black teens take to the streets to knock down old men. I can’t remember. Is it called “tipping?” People have died or been hospitalized. It goes unreported and black leaders have studiously avoided talking about it. Black teens rob in groups and these kids are not under-priviledged. They live in places like Germantown, MD. No major outlet including Fox reports it or comments on it. Black teens attack white attendees to the fair in Cincinati. No reports, no condemnation.

Connect the dots. I didn’t create this drug-hazed, anti-moral, hate-filled society. It’s top down hate. President Obama to Nancy Pelosi to Congressman Gray to news outlets to movie-star spokespeople who shape the culture.

In the 1930′s we called it fascism. In the 21st Century, it’s called “progressive”.

Portia46 on December 18, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Probably just the right wing hard core NRA cultists you live and work with. Most normal people are appalled.

lostmotherland on December 18, 2012 at 9:06 AM

…explain to us how Obama and Holder are “right wing NRA cultists” for carrying out the fantastically genius idea of selling thousands of assault weapons to Mexican drug Cartels that have resulted in the deaths of hundreds of people including American law enforcement.

….where was your self-righteous,bleeding heart liberal cry fest when these crimes by your boy king were exposed hypocrite.

Baxter Greene on December 18, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Here’s an idea that will warm and cheer the cockles of liberal hearts all across the Nation.

Since it is “for the children” why not just dissolve the entire Constitution of the United States of America, toss it out, completely, right into the dustbin of history?

It was written by a bunch of racist old dead white guys anyway, and failed to extol the virtues of diversity and women and minorities and Mother Earth. So, no great loss.

Then, once that little task is taken care of, let’s let government establish local police forces, under federal control, in all of our cities, towns hamlets and villages, to make sure that nobody is allowed to offend anyone else, utter words and write thoughts that might serve to injure the national well-being, or cause angst and grief of even one solitary citizen of our new progressive utopia.

Every phone monitored, every e-mail read by a government official, every piece of mail opened and its contents examined for hidden meanings or racist or misogynist thoughts…and we will be 100% guaranteed that no child, anywhere, ever, will be injured, ever, unless still in the womb.

What? Can’t guarantee against a nut case? Can’t guarantee against a criminal of any stripe purposely or accidentally hurting a child?

Like in Chicago? Or other town with super-restrictive laws on the books?

Scarborough is no conservative…big “C” or small.

And abrogating the Constitution seems to be the way we are headed.

To carry on the thought of one Hot Air poster on another thread earlier…if “government” can come up with a 100% sure way of making criminals and the insane follow 100% the spirit and letter of the law…hell, our problems are solved.

coldwarrior on December 18, 2012 at 9:54 AM

I told you so for all those who said I was “irreverent”, “insensitive” and “premature” for bringing up gun control at the very time of the tragedy but our enemies (and make no mistake they are enemies of freedom just as their left wing predecessors the Nazis and Soviets were) will LET NO CRISIS GO TO WASTE.

But our enemies have one big problem—millions of hunting licenses are issued every year to residents of Pa, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota etc. ALL BLUE STATES. To attempt to disarm all these avid blue state hunters would be a political disaster for the control freaks.

Something else to consider. There are around 200 million Kalashnikov rifles (illegal & otherwise) floating around not to mention millions of other illegal weaponry made in Eastern Europe and elsewhere. Need a machine gun? You can practically get it mail order.Thus you would only be taking guns away from those LEGALLY LICENSED to carry them. The illegals would still have them. The net effect will be to DISARM THE LAWFUL CITIZENRY PUTTING THEM AT THE MERCY OF THE ARMED, UNLAWFUL CITIZENRY. Not only that but those forced to surrender their lawful weapons (impossible to hide because registered) will be tempted to soon thereafter buy illegal guns on the black market for protection.

MaiDee on December 18, 2012 at 9:54 AM

So…lefties…the slow motion mass-killing occurring in Chicago…why no news coverage…why no presidential visits and tearful speeches…why no “national dialogue”? Why do you hate Chicagoans poor – BLACK- voter suppressed Chicagoans?

Bishop on December 18, 2012 at 9:31 AM

FIFMe

FlaMurph on December 18, 2012 at 9:55 AM

I find it laughable that we have people that think Washington can “fix” any problem when they can’t even begin to solve matters like the “fiscal cliff” (a problem that Washington brought on in the first place).

Bitter Clinger on December 18, 2012 at 9:48 AM

What do you know. You just bitterly cling to guns and religion anyway.
/Obama
“[You] cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

Hey! What’s your antipathy to people who aren’t like you about?

“Well, I say to them tonight, there is not a liberal America and a conservative America — there is the United States of America. There is not a black America and a white America and Latino America and Asian America — there’s the United States of America. The pundits like to slice-and-dice our country into Red States and Blue States; Red States for Republicans, Blue States for Democrats.” — Obama, 2004

Let’s not be bitter and clingy and antipathyee.

/Obama

Paul-Cincy on December 18, 2012 at 9:55 AM

I wouldn’t put it past the left to search for unstable individuals and prod them into becoming mass murderers all for the sake of confiscating guns.

darwin on December 18, 2012 at 9:55 AM

The Obamanation Administration seems bound and determined to start a genuine Civil war in America.

On the tragic loss of 20 innocent children.

SWalker on December 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Today, the second school district in my county announced that the retired State Police who patrol our schools will now be armed. To me, this is the only rational response to what happened in CT. While the morons in Washington have their “conversations”, my area is letting everyone know we won’t be sitting ducks.

Night Owl on December 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Portia46 on December 18, 2012 at 9:52 AM

.
The Alinsky culture of President Revenge.

FlaMurph on December 18, 2012 at 9:57 AM

For people like Ed Schultz who is calling for the confiscation of legally owned “looks like an assault rifle” weapons, I believe if he wants other’s constitutional rights to be removed, why not start with slowly removing Ed Schult’s constitutional rights. Freedom of speech would be a good place to start.

iamsaved on December 18, 2012 at 9:59 AM

darwin on December 18, 2012 at 9:55 AM

Our very own Reichstag/Marinus Van der Lubbe moment?

Seems plausible.

And by admitting that I believe it is plausible makes me shudder. The Nation has truly descended into the depths of political and societal depravity in a terribly short span of time.

coldwarrior on December 18, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Force the teachers unions to use dues to pay for armed security in every school.

If they refuse, start a national campaign on why the unions hate children.

If it works for them….

rightside on December 18, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Good morning my old friend… If the Liberals really want a gun ban, I have a compromise for them. Let’s start the gun ban by banning 100 percent of all federal Government employes from owning firearms. After we see how that works, we can negotiate further firearms restrictions.

SWalker on December 18, 2012 at 10:01 AM

…criminals and people with mental illness that snap are always going to find a way to carry out acts of violence in a free society.

Time and time again it is being shown around the world that tougher gun laws or banning guns all together benefit the criminals and leave law abiding citizens even more venerable to crime.

Sure the entertainment industry needs to take responsibility for the violence they sell on a regular basis….

………and sure we could improve our mental health support systems here in the US…..

…..but the best deterrent to a criminal is the ability to defend yourself.

When you eliminate yourself as an easy victim……you make it much harder for the assailant to carry out their criminal act…whether it is an alarm system,large dog,and gun to protect your home….or concealed carry to confront a perpetrator and at least give yourself or the people around you a fighting chance of survival.

Criminals seek out the week and easy victims….quit making it easy for them.

Baxter Greene on December 18, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Today, the second school district in my county announced that the retired State Police who patrol our schools will now be armed. To me, this is the only rational response to what happened in CT. While the morons in Washington have their “conversations”, my area is letting everyone know we won’t be sitting ducks.

Night Owl on December 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM

This is precisely the sort of thing that needs to happen. Each community is perfectly capable of solving this problem in the way that best suits their needs and concerns. The federal government will only get in the way of communities while doing nothing to hinder criminals bent on acts of evil.

gwelf on December 18, 2012 at 10:02 AM

So we have

1. Laws being proposed based on feelings, rather than an objective analysis.
and
2. Laws being proposed because we need to “do something”, to assauge the guilt of authorities.

Both bad approaches to making law.

Paul-Cincy on December 18, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Good public policy is hard and takes time. Good public policy is too slow to capture headlines in the immediate aftermath of something like the Newtown shootings when every media whore of every political stripe is out there talking about “conversations.”

Happy Nomad on December 18, 2012 at 10:06 AM

The most violent cities in America are totally controlled by liberals that are inhibited by the democrat voters… The culture of violence is mainly among the democrat voters… Gun violence committed by democrat voters or gun violence depcited in movies and TV shows created by democrat voters…

Democrats = Violence… This cannot be argued…

mnjg on December 18, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Don’t forget to remind your kids to pre-order Grand Theft Auto 5, which will be released Spring 2013.

Taking your kids to the rifle range, teaching them how to shoot, practice safety and respect a firearm = EEEEEEEEEVIL.

Taking your kids to the game store to purchase a video game where they can do drug deals, run people over with cars and shoot prostitutes for 6-8 hours a day in front of the television = SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE.

Got it.

Pale Rider on December 18, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Paul-Cincy on December 18, 2012 at 9:49 AM

40 years ago, a favorite professor stated that “bad law written for all the best of reasons is still bad law.”

Any legislation, regulation or law based on heartstrings and not a solid and deep look at the Constitution, consequences and ramifications will solve nothing. Nothing.

coldwarrior on December 18, 2012 at 10:11 AM

So liberals work endlessly to destroy the family unit, shun traditional institutions and make people mindless dependents of the State, then blame guns when things start falling apart.

Dongemaharu on December 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM

+100
Yes.
It fits their agenda.
The mindless puppets soak it up
and rage on for the puppet masters. Desperate Strings are being pulled now. An opportunity to strike on..Lost mother land..howz it feel to be a puppet and a tool?

Can someone help give the guy directions back to his lost mother land?

We have 2 guns in the house. I am not an NRA member. I am a knife connoisseur myself. I am sickened by people who behave like animals and have no conscious or core. A cultural sickness you turn a blind eye to purposely because you built it. But you target guns. I could kill in many ways-as could many. You won’t speak of the facts or true issue at hand.

No care for your neighbor,family,decency, or human life. Jet black hearts…and its falling apart boy. Libs hand a big hand in the decay. Own it. Enlighten us on the 100′s of murders committed by illegal gun running(majority of gun shot deaths and fatal injuries daily) What I fear..not Joe and responsible gun owners.
I don’t fear my weapons..I fear you actually.

The feds laws road block and contribute to the gunrunning problem-thus a booming business and arm the hands of criminals and youth…or are you like your pal Lester who doesn’t mind the gang on gang violence..cause they deserve it? Hypocrite you are. You don’t mind death..just depends who does the dying.

The feds are not doing their job(with anything)..but you don’t mind do you? As long as you can take away legal guns by Joe and Jane. Make you feel good? Doing something -Drop the bullshite and tell the truth..lol..yeah..a cold day in hell.

Where is the motherland? Africa? I will buy you a one way ticket. $ well spent.

bazil9 on December 18, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Remember Foghorn Leghorn, Wiley Coyote? They were exihibit A in the war on violent TV for kids a few decades ago. Where are we now? Good times indeed.

Blaming things and not the true cause — a breakdown in the nuclear family and lack of effective mental care. But then again, the secular medical profession doesn’t believe in demon possession and evil. And so we continue this merry-go-round with each new spree.

Lest we forget, the largest killing spree was done in the name of the law by liberals Clinton, Reno and her man on the ground, Holder at Waco.

AH_C on December 18, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Over the last few days I’ve been thinking long and hard about gun control, and in particular its relationship to the War on Drugs and the prison industrial complex. I am just not convinced that massive federal gun control will not, like drug laws, merely be another means to criiminalize and incarcerate men of color. I am skeptical about any massive reform impulse that is born strictly from a “shocking” or “unspeakable” tragedy. Why isn’t the tragedy of the murder rate in black and brown inner city areas enough to push the nation towards gun control? Its actually starting to bother me. There’s death in these communities every day and no politician on either side of the aisle has suggested we need to do gun control or to think about the broad systemic issues that produce violence in the inner city.

So I came to post that and to agree with the skepticism being expressed around here. And then I saw this partisan screed:

The most violent cities in America are totally controlled by liberals that are inhibited by the democrat voters… The culture of violence is mainly among the democrat voters… Gun violence committed by democrat voters or gun violence depcited in movies and TV shows created by democrat voters…

Democrats = Violence… T

And realized we’re doomed.

libfreeordie on December 18, 2012 at 10:14 AM

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