Quotes of the day

posted at 10:11 pm on December 18, 2012 by Allahpundit

Republican members of the House of Representatives, where the party holds a majority of seats, discussed the killings in their weekly closed-door conference meeting and said afterward there was more willingness now to talk about regulating weapons.

“You are going to have some people who never, never go there,” Representative Steve LaTourette, an Ohio Republican, told reporters, referring to a small number of Republicans who will not countenance any talk of gun regulation.

“But yes, I think most Republicans are willing to have a very, very serious conversation about what this means and taking a second look at what the Second Amendment (guaranteeing the right to bear arms) means in the 21st century,” he said.

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Boehner said the GOP’s strategy would be to examine the reasons that the mass shootings of recent years have been carried out, almost exclusively, by young, white males with mental illnesses, according to the lawmaker in the room.

“We need to have a discussion about guns,” the lawmaker said, relaying Boehner’s remarks, “and that doesn’t mean that all of a sudden we abandon the Second Amendment or the NRA [National Rifle Association] or anything like that. But there needs to be a discussion and everybody needs to participate and we need to depoliticize it.”

Boehner also told Republicans that they need to be “circumspect” in their observations, the lawmaker said, warning that “it’s not helpful” for lawmakers to call for arming teachers as a way to prevent mass shootings.

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No reasonable person, and that includes millions of gun owners, wants to repeal the Second Amendment – though I suspect more than a few liberals would like to if they could. But no reasonable person can make the case any longer that civilians need semi-automatic weapons and clips that hold 100 bullets…

The First Amendment guarantees all of us freedom of speech. But we can’t shout fire in a crowded theater if there is no fire, and we can’t libel decent people with made up stories designed to hurt them. No rights are absolute.

Republicans would be smart to actually lead the move to ban assault weapons and not just follow the Democrats. This would help repair the damage done to the GOP brand by the crazies who think President Obama was born somewhere outside of the United States and the zealots who think that abortion should always be illegal, even in the case of rape or incest.

But on many issues Republicans aren’t smart. So when Congress convenes in January, and gun legislation is brought up on Day One, some Republicans will vote No on the assault weapon ban. If too many vote that way, it will be another self-inflicted wound for the GOP, more proof that they’re out of touch with the American people.

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The reaction to the Newtown shootings spread to corporate America and to California on Tuesday, as a private equity firm said it would immediately sell the company that made the assault-style rifle used in shootings, while California lawmakers announced an effort to regulate the sale of ammunition more tightly…

In announcing the sale of the gun manufacturer, the private equity firm Cerberus Capital Management made clear that the decision stemmed from the killings at Sandy Hook Elementary School, in Newtown, Conn. “It is apparent that the Sandy Hook tragedy was a watershed event that has raised the national debate on gun control to an unprecedented level,” Cerberus said in a news release.

The firm said it planned to sell the Freedom Group, which makes the .223 Bushmaster rifle used in the massacre. Cerberus acquired Bushmaster in 2006, later merging it with other gun companies to create the Freedom Group.

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1. Institutions can change. The NRA has become an implacable foe of gun control but that doesn’t mean it will always be. There could be glasnost in the NRA Kremlin, a recognition that the world has changed. It’s not a perfect analogy by any means but auto companies opposed seat belts and then accepted them as standard equipment. They fought air bags and then accepted them.

2. Hunters might triumph over the automatic crowd. At some point, it’s possible that hunters will feel less threatened by the spectre of gun control laws and be willing to assert themselves more. Of course, hunters are no more monolithic than “drivers” or “students” but they may not see themselves as having a vested interest in enormous magazines.

3. The NRA supported the 1934 Firearms Act, aimed at “gangster weapons” and the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 which prohibited interstate trade in handguns. Could the NRA be persuaded to support something to curtail the easy availability of guns of mass destruction? Right now, it’s inconceivable. In a year?

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The partisan differences persist, however, across almost every demographic measure. White voters were substantially more likely to own guns than Hispanics, blacks or Asians. But white Republicans were more likely to own guns than white Democrats, Asian Republicans more likely than Asian Democrats, and so forth.

More elaborate data-mining techniques, such as logistic regression analysis, suggest that gun ownership is a more powerful predictor of whether a voter is Republican than her gender, whether or not she identifies as gay or lesbian, whether she is Hispanic, or whether she lives in the South, along with many other demographic characteristics.

And based on demographic inertia, the differences seem likely to grow over time. About 35 percent of Democratic voters aged 65 and older reported having a gun in their home, against about 25 percent of those aged 18 to 29. But gun ownership rates bore little relationship to age among Republican voters, and were constant at about 55 percent among all age groups. That might suggest that gun ownership will continue to decline among Democrats while holding steady among Republicans, further increasing the partisan gap.

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Must every tragic mass shooting bring out the shrill ignorance of “gun control” advocates?…

The rate of gun ownership is higher in rural areas than in urban areas, but the murder rate is higher in urban areas. The rate of gun ownership is higher among whites than among blacks, but the murder rate is higher among blacks. For the country as a whole, hand-gun ownership doubled in the late 20th century, while the murder rate went down.

The few counter-examples offered by gun-control zealots do not stand up under scrutiny. Perhaps their strongest talking point is that Britain has stronger gun-control laws than the United States and lower murder rates…

There is innocent ignorance and there is invincible, dogmatic, and self-righteous ignorance. Every tragic mass shooting seems to bring out examples of both among gun-control advocates.

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Via Mediaite.

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Hate to wax Cindy Munford here, but I love you guys. Take it how you list. True, it’s like walking around the Island of Misfit Toys and everything, but — other strange places on the interwebs just aren’t like this strange thing.

You too AP, for rolling with it.

It’s a break in the pain talking, so no one feel too warm. Exist Resist — get as warm as you’d like. :)

Too physically worn to poof . . .

Axe on December 19, 2012 at 3:21 AM

and again, because it’s worth being on the top of the page

An excellent short essay.

March 23, 2007 by Marko Kloos
Why the Gun is Civilization
http://minx.cc/?post=335773

concludes with -
…When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation…and that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act.”

And THAT is why progressive scum want/NEED to disarm the rest of us.

rayra on December 19, 2012 at 3:22 AM

someone came for my gun today and I shot him. Luckily he was a racist White Hispanic.

Hispanic is a funny word, because there’s no word for it in Spanish.

Slade73 on December 19, 2012 at 3:23 AM

thatsafactjack on December 19, 2012 at 1:46 AM

You have nailed it. Hot Air should let you write a thread about this. Everyone else is missing the real issue.

SparkPlug on December 19, 2012 at 1:48 AM

…….what Sparky said!
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…p. s.
anybody see Key West Reader lately?

KOOLAID2 on December 19, 2012 at 3:32 AM

SO any sign of a viable new conservative party anywhere? One that’s both fiscally AND socially conservative, but not isolationist?

rayra on December 19, 2012 at 3:38 AM

Quotes of the day

posted at 10:11 pm on December 18, 2012 by Allahpundit

…troll free!…it’s nice when they are off dry humping each other!

KOOLAID2 on December 19, 2012 at 4:13 AM

Why the f**k does the GOP have to cave on every goddamn thing? Why the f**K do they have cede ground to the f**king liberals every goddamn time there’s a debate going on? They can’t even f**king stand up for the 2nd Amendment now? “We have to have look at what the 2nd Amendment mean in the 21st century”? What the f**k is that? What the f**k does that mean?

HerneTheHunter on December 19, 2012 at 4:32 AM

thatsafactjack -

http://pjmedia.com/blog/assault-weapons-ban/#comment-4069072

VorDaj on December 19, 2012 at 5:34 AM

HerneTheHunter on December 19, 2012 at 4:32 AM

I studied Con Law and watched how this sort of analysis works.

Actually, they are imitating the entertainment industry.

In this method of social/legal development, our founding documents grow like an attractive young lady. You have to check to see how much the young ladies have grown.

Charlie Chaplin, Peter Bogdonavich and Roman Polanski come to mind.

Think about what the exams lead to for the young ladies and you will know what is coming for us.

Except that Mrs. Chaplin had a great life and marriage with The Little Tramp and he was 53 or 58 and she was 16 or 17 when they met. Lots of kids born to them.

IlikedAUH2O on December 19, 2012 at 5:49 AM

Thomas Sowell is SPOT ON…

hear hear TS

Good Morning HA Crew!

cmsinaz on December 19, 2012 at 5:55 AM

See Johnny run.

See Mary run.

See the republicans are asses with no backbone and are increasingly irrelevant by their own design.

Nincompoops!!

Sherman1864 on December 19, 2012 at 5:58 AM

Sherman1864 on December 19, 2012 at 5:58 AM

appears so

gop will cave on this because they don’t want to look bad by the lsm and dems….PUHLEEZE

infuriating….

let everything burn…i’m tired of their crapola

see you at the tents

cmsinaz on December 19, 2012 at 6:05 AM

obama gun task force=simpson bowles 2.0

bring all these people on board and end up with bupkis…

cmsinaz on December 19, 2012 at 6:09 AM

ot: no disciplinary actions will take place against ther state departments awful failures on benghazi….

unstinkingbelievable…

cmsinaz on December 19, 2012 at 6:31 AM

cmsinaz on December 19, 2012 at 6:31 AM

Mornin’. Here’s something to think about: My take.

kingsjester on December 19, 2012 at 6:44 AM

This is not an issue of gun law, gun control, or assault weapons bans. This is an issue of mental health care.

thatsafactjack on December 19, 2012 at 1:31 AM

Your talking facts here. The left isn’t interested. Neither are many Republicans. It’s about the gun.

In fact,they are now rushing to get a deal done on the fiscal cliff so they can get to banning our guns. You might say, if it wasn’t for the fiscal cliff talks they would have already voted for the assault ban.

But I’m telling you… they are not going to just renew the old ban. They are going to go for everything they can get. They may even try to ban all semi-autos. Thank God there are no gun lawsuits before the court at the moment or they would rule against the 2nd amendment.

I can see Nancy Pelosi… heck , maybe it’ll be Boehner himself saying ..”We have to pass this gun ban so that we can see what’s in this gun ban!”

They’ll write the law after they pass it.

Unless the American people make their voices heard!
Join the NRA! Join every legitimate gun group there is! We have got to make our voices heard on this or it’s over.

Call the Republicans over and over and over! Do not let them go to sleep at night thinking we support gun bans!

Anybody thinking all they are going to do is pass the old assault weapons ban is fooling themselves. The Obama regime will not be satisfied with that!

Expect an attempt to ban all semi-autos! Mandated new storage laws. New police powers to enter houses and check to see if your guns are stored properly. More restrictions on concealed carry. More mandatory gun free zones.

They will go for it all!

JellyToast on December 19, 2012 at 6:45 AM

They say the State Department is asking permission from Congress to transfer more than $1.3 billion from contingency funds that had been allocated for spending in Iraq.

OT:via NYT….re: benghazi report

ummmmm wasn’t dear leader using that monies to take down the debt?

yep, those spending cuts will apply toot sweet
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cmsinaz on December 19, 2012 at 6:47 AM

kingsjester on December 19, 2012 at 6:44 AM

Morning KJ

a good take indeed….Cuda was right, crickets from the left natch

cmsinaz on December 19, 2012 at 6:48 AM

Does it not seem like we have been in a perpetual crisis the last 4 years? And it’s getting worse. It’s like one freaking crisis after another.

Welcome to politics in the new Amerika.

A crisis happens.. real or imagined. And the left will accuse you of murder. Mobs will riot outside of your house. They will spit on you, threaten you and rage against you and this is who we’re suppose to work with? There is not reasoning hear!

JellyToast on December 19, 2012 at 6:58 AM

JellyToast on December 19, 2012 at 6:58 AM

the new ‘civil’ tone don’cha know

cmsinaz on December 19, 2012 at 7:00 AM

kingsjester ‏@kingsjester1
Putting Joe Biden in charge of a Gun Control Task Force is like putting Elmer Fudd in charge of a Rabbit Farm.

kingsjester on December 19, 2012 at 7:00 AM

Hispanic is a funny word, because there’s no word for it in Spanish.

Slade73 on December 19, 2012 at 3:23 AM

There’s no word for “of Spanish descent” in Spanish? God you’re dumb…..

libfreeordie on December 19, 2012 at 7:19 AM

Does it not seem like we have been in a perpetual crisis the last 4 years? And it’s getting worse. It’s like one freaking crisis after another.

Un plug from the media for a bit, what you’re experiencing is of their design.

libfreeordie on December 19, 2012 at 7:20 AM

Un plug from the media for a bit, what you’re experiencing is of their design.

libfreeordie on December 19, 2012 at 7:20 AM

True. But they always are pushing for a liberal solution.
Gets tiresome.

Jabberwock on December 19, 2012 at 7:28 AM

Does it not seem like we have been in a perpetual crisis the last 4 years? And it’s getting worse. It’s like one freaking crisis after another.

Yes, and the true crisis is our irresponsible spending and weak willed and self serving politicians. We need to let the country go over the cliff, let sequestration take affect then rebuild a responsible nation. I’m 75 and I’ll feel the pain of all the cuts but I’m ready to do that if it saves the future for my kids and grandkids.

rplat on December 19, 2012 at 7:45 AM

There’s no word for “of Spanish descent” in Spanish? God you’re dumb…..

libfreeordie on December 19, 2012 at 7:19 AM

.
I’m sure my Guatemalan lawn maintenance crew considers themselves and their heritage to be of ” Spanish descent”. /

Why are liberals such ignorant racists ?
Typical white people.

FlaMurph on December 19, 2012 at 7:48 AM

kingsjester @kingsjester1
Partial Birth Abortions..Obamacare Death Panels…Yet, they want to grab our guns for our safety? Tell me another one.

kingsjester on December 19, 2012 at 7:59 AM

FIRST!

Sorry I’m late, I was up all night ordering everything which will soon be unavailable.

Bishop on December 19, 2012 at 8:01 AM

I’m bugging out and going Galt soon. I’m taking my guns with me.

wolly4321 on December 19, 2012 at 8:03 AM

Why the f**k does the GOP have to cave on every goddamn thing? Why the f**K do they have cede ground to the f**king liberals every goddamn time there’s a debate going on? They can’t even f**king stand up for the 2nd Amendment now? “We have to have look at what the 2nd Amendment mean in the 21st century”? What the f**k is that? What the f**k does that mean?

HerneTheHunter on December 19, 2012 at 4:32 AM

It means we’re fuc…screwed.

Bishop on December 19, 2012 at 8:04 AM

Does it not seem like we have been in a perpetual crisis the last 4 years? And it’s getting worse. It’s like one freaking crisis after another.

.
How fortuitous it that ? – seeing as we are led by an Alinskyite and his administration that is so steeped in experience and transparency….that vows “you never want a serious crisis to go to waste.”

Self fulfilling ? , or just full of himself ?

Oh, the Irony……

FlaMurph on December 19, 2012 at 8:04 AM

My bunker has a 5 mile long driveway. And chicken coops outside. Elk country. Prepping for a looooooong visit by fall.

I hate communist. They better take the no trespass signs seriously.

wolly4321 on December 19, 2012 at 8:17 AM

I hate communist. They better take the no trespass signs seriously.

wolly4321 on December 19, 2012 at 8:17 AM

These communists will be different, they’ll be friendly and bring chocolate. Why are you such a homophobe?

Bishop on December 19, 2012 at 8:20 AM

There’s no word for “of Spanish descent” in Spanish? God you’re dumb…..

libfreeordie on December 19, 2012 at 7:19 AM

I was paraphrasing Tom Wolfe Back To Blood

phucking jackass

Slade73 on December 19, 2012 at 8:24 AM

I guess college professors don’t read much

Slade73 on December 19, 2012 at 8:29 AM

Not very encouraged about anything .
A little o/t . Two stories about looking for the ” moral authority ”
( Belgum and France ) to kill people . On Drudge this morning .

Lucano on December 19, 2012 at 8:30 AM

SO any sign of a viable new conservative party anywhere? One that’s both fiscally AND socially conservative, but not isolationist?

rayra on December 19, 2012 at 3:38 AM

Click my name.

hawkdriver on December 19, 2012 at 8:34 AM

BOR doubled down last night on the tightening the rules, whatever that means, on assault weapons, whatever that means. Every time the rules are tightened, we lose a little more freedom. He doesn’t like the ARs and doesn’t think we need them. He has lawyers on the show and argues against the laws with them. He argues against the constitution and doesn’t even realize it. Boxer is readying another ban on assault weapons meaning more infringement on our constitution.

Kissmygrits on December 19, 2012 at 8:44 AM

Why are you such a homophobe?

And a misanthrope too, evidently. At least he likes chickens.

lostmotherland on December 19, 2012 at 8:50 AM

If Republicans go along with eroding the 2nd Amendment, many will bolt to third parties, and the GOP will go the way of the Whig Party.

WannabeAnglican on December 19, 2012 at 9:18 AM

lostmotherland on December 19, 2012 at 8:50 AM

Obamacare is going to leave you mental retards off the books. You gonna fail, son.

tom daschle concerned on December 19, 2012 at 9:38 AM

BOR doubled down last night on the tightening the rules, whatever that means, on assault weapons, whatever that means.
Kissmygrits on December 19, 2012 at 8:44 AM

BOR is one of those “I want to be loved by the media” John Roberts types. I think it was Monday when he used the term AK15. He doesn’t like the big bad evil black rifle because it looks scary. Complete idiot. Ted Nugent took him to task on the radio the next day.

It probably won’t help but I’m stopping by my Congressman’s office today since it’s about 2 miles away. He’s an R, not that that means anything. Sometimes a personal visit makes more of an impact than a call or email and I want his office to know Boner needs to go. NOW.

TxAnn56 on December 19, 2012 at 9:53 AM

BOR doubled down last night on the tightening the rules, whatever that means, on assault weapons, whatever that means. Every time the rules are tightened, we lose a little more freedom. He doesn’t like the ARs and doesn’t think we need them. He has lawyers on the show and argues against the laws with them. He argues against the constitution and doesn’t even realize it. Boxer is readying another ban on assault weapons meaning more infringement on our constitution.

Kissmygrits on December 19, 2012 at 8:44 AM

I saw that. Wanted to grab him by the neck.
It’s like he doesn’t even know what a semi automatic weapon is. He say’s that there is no need for weapons like the AR. (What does some relativistic definition of need have to do with your 2nd A rights?) Does he think they are fully automatic weapons??..is it the size of the magazine??..is it their shape??..What?

Mimzey on December 19, 2012 at 11:20 AM

I hate to rain on some people’s gun parade here, but there probably is some sense in Republicans joining in tightening regulations on guns that can shoot hundreds of bullets without reloading, while not affecting the law-abiding citizen who wants a handgun for self-protection.

We keep hearing these calls for gun control every time some nutcase goes crazy and shoots dozens of people in a public place, such as the Newtown school shooting, the mass-shooting in the movie theater in Colorado earlier this year, or the mass-shooting at Virginia Tech a few years ago.

Most handguns can only shoot 6 rounds without reloading, which is enough for a law-abiding citizen to protect him/herself from a burglar, unless the house is attacked by a gang of more than 6 burglars, which is very rare.

But if the Newtown or Aurora CO shooters only had a handgun, the shooter would have had to reload after firing 6 shots, which would have given people time to intervene before police arrive, by attempting to tackle the shooter, and probably saved many lives.

Most gun-owners and/or game hunters outside the police and military would probably not object to being limited to handguns and rifles. From a political point of view, this would make Republicans appear “reasonable” and willing to work to prevent mass-murders, while preserving Second Amendment rights for those who own guns for self-protection and/or hunting.

Steve Z on December 19, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Is another thousand gun laws going to change criminals that use guns? I guess politicians and some people think that it will. Someone once said doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a change is insanity applies here in capital letters. Do they ever think of changing the punishment for armed crime? I guess they have because you can get more time in prison for stealing money than murder, some change. Our whole system of punishment has changed to prisons that in reality are fenced health clubs. Sheriff Jo’s runs a prison and gets re elected by an 85% vote. The media is unusually quiet about the positive things this sheriff has accomplished. I’m for bringing back the whipping post that the Brits took off their punishment program in 1948. Maybe a wife beater would change his mind after thirty lashes with the cat-O-nine tails. Maybe some punk teenager would change his habits from beating a senior citizen to a pulp after forty lashes. Maybe fifty lashes for a crime committed with a gun just short of murder. Something different needs to be thought about besides another piece of paper added to an already stack of paper that does nothing to correct a crime.

mixplix on December 20, 2012 at 7:30 AM

The bottom line is that the gun banners track record leads those of us who want the civil right of self-defense to treat any of their proposals as a hudna, the truce Muslims propose with infidels to allow them to build up enough strength to win by outright force. Better not to play at all.

SDN on December 20, 2012 at 8:21 AM

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