Oh well: Boehner’s “Plan B” likely already DOA in the Senate

posted at 7:41 pm on December 18, 2012 by Allahpundit

The word this afternoon was that Democrats would block it. According to Robert Costa’s GOP sources, they’re not bluffing.

“Harry Reid will happily blow this up, and the president won’t accept Boehner’s terms,” predicts a GOP senator. “If this is the end of the game, then we’re going over the cliff.”

Two more Republican senators agree, and say that Boehner’s proposal is more of a political Hail Mary than a realistic option.

The conservatives, for their part, don’t like the proposal’s inclusion of high-income tax-rate increases, and the moderates don’t like the timing. “It should have come sooner,” a centrist Republican senator says. “Now, it may be too late.”…

“I doubt this is going to be the final plan,” a Senate GOP staffer says. “Democrats aren’t going to accept this, and they’ll push Boehner back on what he wants.”

National Journal notes Obama and Boehner aren’t that far apart numbers-wise, but if that’s true and a deal’s in the offing, then what’s up with Plan B? Is Boehner trying to squeeze a few more concessions from O on a deal by putting him on the spot with a pretend take-it-or-leave-it millionaire tax or is this really his way of saying “to hell with it” and walking away? Either way, I’m curious to see how many House conservatives vote against it when the bill comes to the floor on grounds that it doesn’t extend the Bush tax cuts for everyone. Pelosi and Hoyer are vowing to whip against it despite the fact that Pelosi herself once endorsed a bill like this for the same sort of PR reasons that are now motivating Boehner. Assuming the entire Democratic caucus votes no, he can afford to lose 16 Republicans and no more. If he does, the bill fails and he’ll be roundly humiliated. In fact, now that I think about it, I wonder if Republicans are pushing the idea that the bill’s DOA in part because it gives Boehner an excuse to withdraw the idea before it ever hits the House floor. That would be less embarrassing than putting it to a vote and having it fail due to conservative defections.

So what now? Boehner could turn up the heat on O even further by dropping the threshold for new taxes from millionaires to households that earn more than $400,000 a year. That was the cut-off that Obama himself proposed yesterday, remember; he’d be giving O exactly what he asked for and then daring him to veto it or the Democrats to block it. He could even hold a splashy “you win” presser before skipping town for Christmas, denouncing the bill as a piece of crap that’ll hurt the economy but one which the House feels obliged to pass because it’s the only way to stop Obama from forcing the country over the cliff. If Democrats respond by refusing to take yes for an answer and blocking the bill, then the economic chaos when we fall off the cliff is entirely on them. Would the promise of making Obama squirm — and still having the prospect of a debt-ceiling standoff in the spring — make this more acceptable to House conservatives despite the lower income threshold for the new tax rates? If not and the bill fails, they’re only going to pass something similar to it in January after we’re over the cliff and people are running around screaming. (As always, the polls are brutal.) Might as well do it now and regroup for the big debt-ceiling fight.

Or, maybe we should follow Drew’s advice by letting the Democrats propose anything they want, voting present en masse so that they can pass it, and then letting the public reap what they’ve sowed economically until they learn better. Exit question: Second look at “let it burn”?

Update: Hmmmm.


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Or, maybe we should follow Drew’s advice by letting the Democrats propose anything they want, voting present en masse so that they can pass it, and then letting the public reap what they’ve sowed economically until they learn better.

+ many millions, if only Boehner were smart, big if…

Schadenfreude on December 18, 2012 at 7:44 PM

i need a drink. or a line of coke.

GhoulAid on December 18, 2012 at 7:44 PM

PASS IT! Let the democrats vote in favor of raising everyone else’s taxs so the rich don’t have their’s raised.

Zaggs on December 18, 2012 at 7:45 PM

L.I.B.

esr1951 on December 18, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Yeah, Let It Burn.

KCB on December 18, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Pass the bill…

… send it to the Senate, and walk away.

Seven Percent Solution on December 18, 2012 at 7:46 PM

With economic collapse near and societal upheaval close behind, this would be a good time to disarm the public for a whole host of reasons.

Bishop on December 18, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Exit question: Second look at “let it burn”?

I never stopped looking the first time.

Viva el fuego!

Curtiss on December 18, 2012 at 7:49 PM

It’s ok Reid, you flaming ass, we’ll just let it crumble to the ground.

rplat on December 18, 2012 at 7:50 PM

“Democrats aren’t going to accept this, and they’ll push Boehner back on what he wants.”

Democrat’s are not going to accept one darn thing. This is a big fat joke.

Let. It. Burn.

Give the people what they voted for.

JPeterman on December 18, 2012 at 7:50 PM

House should keep passing these thing. Make Reid and Dear Liar expose themselves as obstructionists.

rbj on December 18, 2012 at 7:51 PM

Clearly this is Republicans fault.

Clearly.

I would imagine this is what it was like growing up in the late 60′s-70′s. Things just look like they are going off the rails.

Gatsu on December 18, 2012 at 7:53 PM

by all means, let’s go over the bloody cliff. revenues: pocketed.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 7:54 PM

House should keep passing these thing. Make Reid and Dear Liar expose themselves as obstructionists.

rbj on December 18, 2012 at 7:51 PM

And who exactly is going to expose them?

JPeterman on December 18, 2012 at 7:55 PM

I am not so sure that the Democrats would vote against this…maybe they would. At this point, I have no idea what to expect. I have a feeling that my taxes are going up and I am not a millionare…not even close.

Rubin said she thought it might pass:

In his conference Boehner told fellow Republicans, according to GOP leadership:

At the end of this week we’ll take up three measures: The first will be the Senate Democrats’ tax plan [to raise taxes on everyone making more than $250,000], to show that even now, it cannot pass the House. The second would extend all of the tax rates for Americans earning less than $1 million. The third would extend the rest of the rates for all. At the same time we’re moving on “Plan B,” we’re leaving the door wide open for something better. And I have been clear about that with the president. Plan B is Plan B for a reason. It’s a less-than-ideal outcome. I’ve always believed we can do better.

You can understand the strategy here. The GOP can vote to protect everyone from a tax increase and then vote to protect only non-millionaires. What Democrats will vote against that?

Well, Reid is now in a bind, and sounded, well, incoherent. In a statement he proclaimed, “Speaker Boehner’s ‘Plan B’ is the farthest thing from a balanced approach. It will not protect middle class families because it cannot pass both Houses of Congress.” So Democrats will now vote against this? Umm, that sounds unlikely. (Granted it is imbalanced in that it would have no cuts, but that’s for Republicans to grumble about.)

Terrye on December 18, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Dear Mr. Boehner,

Write a bill that you want. Slash the budget by $16.3 Trillion dollars, eliminate every Department, Agency, and Bureaucracy to get it done. Overhaul the Tax Code so it fits on a Post Card. Eliminate all the waste, fraud, corruption, and abuse that you can.
Make Congress live under the laws they pass, retroactively. Pass it, send it to the Senate, then ask them for their version.

But try to get it done before Friday.

Sincerely,

The Mayans

Seven Percent Solution on December 18, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Obysmal wanted those middle-class tax rates extended for a year, right?

Obysmal and Reid are playing games, and the House needs to call Preezy’s and the Senate’s bluff.

onlineanalyst on December 18, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Interesting take from Kaus:

http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/18/gops-need-one-1-symbolic-victory/

What if GOP says let it burn and then it, uh, doesn’t burn? (i.e., 2013 sees a stronger recovery and then any fiscal deal has only O’s and Dem fingerprints on it).

Purple Fury on December 18, 2012 at 8:01 PM

I say pass it anyway.

gophergirl on December 18, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Good. Boehner is as liberal as Harry. Screw the Repububsicklians and the Demothrowupians. Let it run completely off the cliff and burn up. All 535 of these criminals make me sick. It’s our money and they act as if though they have been chosen by God to waste, I mean spend, it for us because we are too ignorant. Boehner is a complete joke as well as the rest of the Repubs.

air_up_there on December 18, 2012 at 8:07 PM

by all means, let’s go over the bloody cliff. revenues: pocketed.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Like solyndra.

the_nile on December 18, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Why do republicans have to propose anything? They were not elected to the presidency, the commie was. It’s up to him to put up or shut up.

bgibbs1000 on December 18, 2012 at 8:08 PM

I sat down today to figure out my budget with the 41% ObamaTax increase in my health insurance premiums starting January. I can’t wait to see what else I have to cut if my income taxes go up too. Whatever billers I have to drop are going to understand precisely why I’m dropping them, and it isn’t because of their service.

txhsmom on December 18, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Interesting take from Kaus:

http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/18/gops-need-one-1-symbolic-victory/

What if GOP says let it burn and then it, uh, doesn’t burn? (i.e., 2013 sees a stronger recovery and then any fiscal deal has only O’s and Dem fingerprints on it).

Purple Fury on December 18, 2012 at 8:01 PM

If money printing works , why ever stop.

the_nile on December 18, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Let it burn.

The Republicans have the power to refuse to raise the debt ceiling, and they should do it. The Federal debt we already have will be honored–it just won’t grow any bigger. In one stroke, the Federal budget (if there is one) is balanced.

Boehner should not be talking about taxes because this isn’t a tax problem–it’s a spending problem. Federal tax rates are pretty much what they’ve been, give or take, for the past 30 years–it’s spending that’s gone crazy through the roof!

Palin 2016. Now more than ever.

Emperor Norton on December 18, 2012 at 8:10 PM

a centrist Republican senator says

Translated to those who are not paying attention: Progressive douchebag who can’t get elected as a dem so he calls himself a Repub.
Gratis

Rio Linda Refugee on December 18, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Purple Fury on December 18, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Do you honestly think that’s going to happen? Like I just said, my discretionary spending is taking a big hit starting January because of ObamaTax and I’m not the only one. Throw in income tax increases and this economy won’t be growing at all.

txhsmom on December 18, 2012 at 8:14 PM

No mater how much Boner crawls it’s never enough. Why doesn’t he try something different, like not crawling for a change?

VorDaj on December 18, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Clearly.

I would imagine this is what it was like growing up in the late 60′s-70′s. Things just look like they are going off the rails.

Gatsu on December 18, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Back then the communists were in The Soviet Union and on US campuses, now they’re in the WH and infesting the government.

Rio Linda Refugee on December 18, 2012 at 8:19 PM

BtW, there is no cliff. The sky won’t fall. We won’t all die.

VorDaj on December 18, 2012 at 8:20 PM

The deal is done.

We’re already screwed and bending over for more GOP bullshit.

GOP: Hear this:

You’ve let me down one too many times. You are going to have to earn my respect, and my vote.

hillbillyjim on December 18, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Plan c is to buy lots of hookers and pretend there’s no debt problem

davemason2k on December 18, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Why is the GOP panicking over a midterm election that is still 2 years away? People’s memories are about 6 weeks long, at best.

The polls are being manipulated against the GOP.

Just pass some bills and adjourn. Obama is gonna be pissed about missing Hawaii. Then be willing to go over the cliff.

matthew8787 on December 18, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Screw compromise! There’s nothing left to compromise. Warshington put us here and we expect them to save us?

racquetballer on December 18, 2012 at 8:32 PM

This whole fiscal cliff debate is silly. Both sides know we can’t cut spending if we want to avoid a recession. So, they will end up passing a tax hike for 1 million plus and spending cuts for future date that will never be made. In the end the US credit rating will be downgraded and we will be headed towards Greece.

davemason2k on December 18, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Following up on davemason2k’s Plan C: Plan D, move in next to Depardieu.

racquetballer on December 18, 2012 at 8:37 PM

The House should vote on the bill, pass it, and adjourn until Jan 3.

Dasher on December 18, 2012 at 8:37 PM

we can’t cut spending if we want to avoid a recession

This assumes that Federal spending causes economic growth. It doesn’t. It provides the illusion of growth.

Emperor Norton on December 18, 2012 at 8:39 PM

So, is HOlder and the rest of Fast & Furious going to serve the time? We MUST start with that before any other discussion on guns commences.

Start with HOLDER and DOJ.

riddick on December 18, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Wrong thread, sorry…

Plan B wise, Boehner went from $800B in taxes to $1T in taxes and open handed 2 year debt ceiling. Why should Hussein cave when Boehner is about to concede to anything Hussein wants.

riddick on December 18, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Last one through Thermopylae pass is a rotten egg!

racquetballer on December 18, 2012 at 8:41 PM

We wouldn’t be here if not for a lying, traitorous media that constantly runs interference for the Democrats and Obama. We’ll be demonized no matter what happens.

By the sound of some posters here, we’ve already lost because we lack unity.

I don’t want our side to capitulate, but there is no easy way out of this. I’m as conservative as anyone, but we’re in an impossible situation with the current political climate that the media has created.

Obama’s propaganda machine is unparalleled in American History.

If we can’t solve that problem, none of us will ever be happy with anything our representatives do. None of them will ever be conservative enough for us.

Corporal Tunnel on December 18, 2012 at 8:46 PM

…adjourn until Jan 3.

Dasher on December 18, 2012 at 8:37 PM

I’m up for this part. Go home and come back on Jan. 3rd and elect a new speaker. Every Rep is up for re-election in 2014.

Call your Rep: http://www.gop.gov/republicans

Fallon on December 18, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Pass it anyway. Given Plan B v. the Cliff sounds like a game of political chicken so see who blinks first.

EB

EdmundBurke247 on December 18, 2012 at 9:04 PM

make this more acceptable to House conservatives despite the lower income threshold for the new tax rates?

Did you know that never in U.S. history when republicans controlled the house have income rates gone up?

Why should they start acting democrap now?

paulsur on December 18, 2012 at 9:19 PM

let it burn

xplodeit on December 18, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Follow the money, follow the money, follow the money….

Any idea what across-the-board tax hikes are worth if there’s no deal?

News Flash: Obama wants the money. It’s blood to the vampire, to badly abuse a metaphor. He doesn’t care about the economy (only his own).

He wants the revenue, so long as Republican’s are blamed for it. Right now, all he’s doing is positioning himself for the PR end game.

So, Boehner and he might as well head out to Lover’s Leap and join arms.

IndieDogg on December 18, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Both sides know we can’t cut spending if we want to avoid a recession. So, they will end up passing a tax hike for 1 million plus and spending cuts for future date that will never be made. In the end the US credit rating will be downgraded and we will be headed towards Greece.

davemason2k on December 18, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Yes, GDP (being consumer + investment + government spending) will probably contract in the short term if we massively cut spending.

That’s okay. It was never real wealth. It will have a temporary affect, but will be a necessary correction if we ever want to have real economic growth again.

Yeah, Keynesianism can artificially boost GDP (look at China!) but that doesn’t measure wealth very well. It only measures how much money is passed around in a given year.

Timin203 on December 18, 2012 at 9:24 PM

BtW, there is no cliff. The sky won’t fall. We won’t all die.
VorDaj on December 18, 2012 at 8:20 PM

??? My taxes will go up substantially (somewhere in the $7000 range) and I’m nowhere near the Deemons definition of “rich”. I’m not a tax guru, but I believe most of it may be because of the AMT. Talk about hurt. We would be selling our home.

txhsmom on December 18, 2012 at 9:28 PM

OK Boaehner! Time to cave some more buddy..more taxes pronto!

sadsushi on December 18, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Boehner i mean

sadsushi on December 18, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Do you honestly think that’s going to happen? Like I just said, my discretionary spending is taking a big hit starting January because of ObamaTax and I’m not the only one. Throw in income tax increases and this economy won’t be growing at all.

txhsmom on December 18, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Dunno. Seems hard to believe. But… Anecdotally…

Have friends who are trying to buy a home on the foreclosure market. In the last 6 months it has become VERY difficult to find decent properties. Next to impossible.

Heard a news report today that HPI has been going up the last 5-6 months.

Wouldn’t take but a little bit of movement in housing to float more economic growth elsewhere.

FWIW, yadda yadda.

Purple Fury on December 18, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Does it really matter either way?

If we go “over the cliff” LOL so stupid..

Then we do get some real spending cuts at least.

fatlibertarianinokc on December 18, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Exit question: Second look at “let it burn”?

It should have been the FIRST look all along, considering that the Dems wanted it all along. So give it to them. But Speaker BOHICA wanted to play footsie with Obama and ruin it all.

Myron Falwell on December 18, 2012 at 10:08 PM

…never wished harm on anybody in my life….then, Harry Reid came along!

KOOLAID2 on December 18, 2012 at 10:21 PM

I saw this day coming more than four years ago. I’ve prepared for it as best I could. At this point I say give the 51% exactly what they want. Screw’em L.I.F.B. Fire is the only disinfectant.

morbius on December 18, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Do you honestly think that’s going to happen? Like I just said, my discretionary spending is taking a big hit starting January because of ObamaTax and I’m not the only one. Throw in income tax increases and this economy won’t be growing at all.

txhsmom on December 18, 2012 at 8:14 PM

With Obamatax, the economy will be dying of a slit throat. And that’s why the media have been lying to us for years about this ‘fragile recovery’ that isn’t taking place. To the 47% sheeple, they will be lied non-stop into believing that the forthcoming depression is in fact a recovery.

Let ‘me suffer. I don’t even want them to learn a lesson – this election proved that such a concept is impossible, they really are that stupid and will never learn. So let them suffer in agony and misery, for the rest of their lives if they need to.

Myron Falwell on December 18, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Time for plan F.U.

Pass it. Send it to the Senate. Send it to the press. Go home.

See who reports it.

ProfShadow on December 18, 2012 at 11:00 PM

If Democrats respond by refusing to take yes for an answer and blocking the bill, then the economic chaos when we fall off the cliff is entirely on them.

But that’s just the thing: If we go over the cliff the GOP gets the blame.

If taxes go up the GOP gets the blame.

If we give the left everything they want, we lose more jobs, the economy fall still further – the GOP still gets the blame.

Didn’t this election just prove that facts, such as an abysmal record on jobs, the economy, a health care reform law that nobody likes – anything - doesn’t matter because the President and the left can assign blame to the GOP for anything and that is officially the new reality the minute it leaves the President’s mouth? He’s the Jedi Mind Trick Master, and the GOP has nothing to sway the narrative, because he can just make up anything and make it stick.

juanito on December 19, 2012 at 12:30 AM

I’m hearing “no” a lot from a particular party that holds the White House and Senate. Wasn’t there a cute nickname for that sort of behavior, not too long ago?

Left Coast Right Mind on December 19, 2012 at 1:07 AM

If Democrats respond by refusing to take yes for an answer and blocking the bill, then the economic chaos when we fall off the cliff is entirely on them.

Plan B already gives the Dems and O what they supposedly wanted, so if they refuse to pass it and we go off the fiscal cliff, they get the blame.

They get tax hikes on the rich, but they want to hold the middle class and “My 2K” hostage – for what? Raising taxes on non-millionaires?

Not even the MSM can spin that the Dems’ way, and Reid’s response yesterday about how Plan B doesn’t protect the middle class because HE won’t vote for it doesn’t pass the laugh test.

DRayRaven on December 19, 2012 at 6:12 AM

SOmeone please tell me why Boehner can’t FORCE them to do a budget!!! Just tell Reid you will only negotiate budgets, which will actually do something and you will not ramrod through anything CHristmas Eve. If Boehner were a leader, he could do that.

bflat879 on December 19, 2012 at 7:37 AM

Harry, the Undertaker, Reid. Pronouncin’ them!

Axeman on December 19, 2012 at 8:58 AM

What if GOP says let it burn and then it, uh, doesn’t burn? (i.e., 2013 sees a stronger recovery and then any fiscal deal has only O’s and Dem fingerprints on it).

Purple Fury on December 18, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Well, then perhaps the monkeys flying out of my keester might finally get jobs!!

Ultimately if I’m wrong on the economy, it’s a good thing…at least for a little while.

Axeman on December 19, 2012 at 9:02 AM

I’m hearing “no” a lot from a particular party that holds the White House and Senate. Wasn’t there a cute nickname for that sort of behavior, not too long ago?

Left Coast Right Mind on December 19, 2012 at 1:07 AM

C’mon. They’re the Party of Yes. “Yes, this bill is DOA and is going to sit in my inbox.” “Yes. We’re going off the cliff and going to blame the conservatives in the complicit media!” Yes!

See how more positive that is?!?

Axeman on December 19, 2012 at 9:04 AM