Michigan’s Republican governor vetoes bill that would allow concealed carry in schools

posted at 6:51 pm on December 18, 2012 by Allahpundit

Disappointing but understandable. If even the NRA was sufficiently cowed by public reaction to Sandy Hook to keep silent until today, how much political leeway did the Republican governor of a blue state have to expand gun rights — in schools?

Gov. Rick Snyder vetoed a bill this afternoon that would have allowed gun owners with extra training to carry their concealed weapons in schools, day care centers, churches and stadiums.

In his veto letter sent to the Legislature shortly before 4 p.m., Snyder said the bill had a fatal loophole that didn’t allow for those institutions to opt out of the new legislation and prohibit weapons from their buildings.

“I believe that it is important that these public institutions have clear legal authority to ban weapons from their premises,” he said. “Each is entrusted with the care of a vulnerable population and should have the authority to determine whether its mission would be enhanced by the addition of concealed weapons.”

The bill passed the Michigan legislature, which is also controlled by Republicans, the day before the Connecticut rampage, so it was Snyder alone who was left to squirm here. He made no bones about what influenced him either:

Gov. Snyder said in a release sent to The Huffington Post that last Friday’s shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary led to a thorough review of the bill. Instead, he said he calls for a “more comprehensive review of issues relating to gun violence.” He has now ordered a multi-departmental assessment of the state’s services and needs regarding at-risk children.

“This type of violence often leaves society with more questions than answers,” Snyder said in the release. “The reasons for such appalling acts usually are numerous and complex. With that in mind, we must consider legislation like SB 59 in a holistic manner.”

It’s legal in Michigan to carry openly, just not concealed, so the stakes were low. Besides, for the moment, Snyder’s facing a nasty backlash over the right-to-work law he signed last week. Per PPP, the public opposes the RTW statute, 41/51. Snyder’s approval rating now stands at 38/56, down 28 points since early November, and the Republican legislature is even less popular than he is. This was an easy chance for him to get on the other side of them and to cash in some of the goodwill he earned from conservatives after taking on the local unions. If he has to endure a few weeks as a Democratic talking point in the great gun-control debate (“even Michigan’s Republican governor thinks…”) then, as a blue-state pol, he can live with that.

Via RCP, here’s what a red-state pol sounds like on the same issue.


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More “Gun Free Zones”. That’ll help.

SAZMD on December 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM

Stupid.

darwin on December 18, 2012 at 6:57 PM

The timing of the bill’s passage is just remarkably unfortunate. Seems that Snyder decided to beat a strategic retreat here. Tough decision, but politically reasonable.

Robert_Paulson on December 18, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Send it back to him again and again.

The right has nothing.. not a single thing to be ashamed of or cowered by in this horrible tragedy! Nothing!

If this had been the law in CT and one or more of those teachers had owned a weapon.. they could have stopped this slaughter!

President Obama is calling for gun bans! President Obama and his entire family as well as many other politicians and celebrities are all protected by security who carry guns! But we are not suppose to be?

The left is wrong on this! I don’t care how much they rage, cry and accuse us of murder… or make threats like they are on Twitter right now Calling for the murder of all NRA members! They are wrong! It is their policies that create gun free zones which are nothing more than kill at will zones!

JellyToast on December 18, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Doing the right thing is not always popular…

d1carter on December 18, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Obviously he wants more dead kids.

RoadRunner on December 18, 2012 at 7:00 PM

“I believe that it is important that these public institutions have clear legal authority to ban weapons from their premises,”

Another politician that has no fundamental understanding of the differences between public and private.

lowandslow on December 18, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Understandable. Don’t really care. Can’t take too much when the media is trying to rip you.

Flapjackmaka on December 18, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Capitulation…neither security nor freedom

Schadenfreude on December 18, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Instead, he said he calls for a “more comprehensive review of issues relating to gun violence.”

Drugs, criminals and nuts.

Of course Obama’s wonderful economy isn’t helping.

darwin on December 18, 2012 at 7:02 PM

That’s dumb, given that someone with a gun would have been just about the pnly thing that could have stopped the rampage.

Count to 10 on December 18, 2012 at 7:04 PM

The timing is unfortunate. Does he not talk with his congressional leadership colleagues about things like this?

CorporatePiggy on December 18, 2012 at 7:04 PM

Adam Lanza Found Out His Mother Was Moving To Commit Him

Adam Lanza found out that his mother, Nancy Lanza, had petitioned the courts for conservatorship of her son as a necessary step toward having him committed to a mental health facility.

Nancy Lanza knew her son was spiraling out of control and that she could no longer manage him. She was trying to get him the help and treatment he desperately needed.

Nancy Lanza had volunteered at the Sandy Hook school for several years, working with kindergartners. The first grade children who were killed in the attack were children Nancy Lanza had worked with last year. Adam Lanza, in his delusional state, believed that his mother loved the school and the children there more than she loved him. He snapped.

The ACLU and others had sued and caused legislation in Connecticut to be passed that made it much more difficult, and a much more lengthy process, to have an adult committed against their will for treatment at a mental health facility.

This tragedy is not an indication that the U.S. needs more gun laws, assault weapons bans, or gun control. It is a mental health issue. This nation needs to see that those who are suffering from mental health issues receive the treatment and care that they desperately need in a timely and effective manner.

thatsafactjack on December 18, 2012 at 7:05 PM

I wish Perry hadn’t have been bad in the debates. He had some liberal, emotional ideas about governance but he’s not a weather vein and he seemed serious about the 10th. If he wasn’t sooo bad at debating he could of won the whole thing and stalled this quick slide into statism.

BoxHead1 on December 18, 2012 at 7:05 PM

I need to move to Texas. Especially because the state produces women who look like that reporter.

Bishop on December 18, 2012 at 7:07 PM

School conceal carry laws will be a winning issue for the GOP in 2016

Pablo Honey on December 18, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Soft targets made softer.

The demorats can author a bill requiring larger “GUN FREE ZONE” signs on all public school doors, apparently the existing ones were too small for the Savage Landa to read.

Bishop on December 18, 2012 at 7:10 PM

The timing is unfortunate. Does he not talk with his congressional leadership colleagues about things like this?

CorporatePiggy on December 18, 2012 at 7:04 PM

I seriously doubt the MI legislature knew on Thursday when they passed the bill that on Friday the shootings would occur.

Midas on December 18, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Opening day of deer season is practically a state holiday. Michiganders are not wobbly when it comes to the Second Amendment.

And frankly, I’m on the fence when it comes to concealed weapons. I agree with Snyder that institutions should be able to “opt out” for whatever reason. I also know why this wasn’t part of the legislation. The liberal overlords of community colleges seethe at the idea that their off-duty cops and others might show up for classes with firearms. I don’t know why but this is a big deal to the radical left in MI.

Happy Nomad on December 18, 2012 at 7:11 PM

This tragedy is not an indication that the U.S. needs more gun laws, assault weapons bans, or gun control. It is a mental health issue. This nation needs to see that those who are suffering from mental health issues receive the treatment and care that they desperately need in a timely and effective manner.

thatsafactjack on December 18, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Del, please translate this to the leftists around here.

Schadenfreude on December 18, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Gov is right.
I’m a NRA member & very conservative.
I do not think teachers w/ a little extra training should be toting guns in their pockets. Remember, these are the same union members that act like fools after calling in sick for days for the purpose of protesting good govt legislation like…. ‘Right to Work’

purgatory on December 18, 2012 at 7:12 PM

The timing is unfortunate. Does he not talk with his congressional leadership colleagues about things like this?

CorporatePiggy on December 18, 2012 at 7:04 PM

They passed it on the Thursday before the shootings. I don’t blame him at all for vetoing that bill.

changer1701 on December 18, 2012 at 7:13 PM

Staggering.

Bmore on December 18, 2012 at 7:14 PM

I seriously doubt the MI legislature knew on Thursday when they passed the bill that on Friday the shootings would occur.

Midas on December 18, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Seriously doubt? I know you are being sarcastic but the fact of the matter is that MI just went through a rough week where Democrats were predicting blood in the streets due to a civil war. Hardly the time to pass and let alone sign into law something as controversial as concealed carry legislation. My guess is that Rick would have vetoed this even without the slaying at Newtown.

Happy Nomad on December 18, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Dumb and Dumber.

Fxxking great.

hillbillyjim on December 18, 2012 at 7:15 PM

I wish Perry hadn’t have been bad in the debates.
BoxHead1 on December 18, 2012 at 7:05 PM

I sighed about that earlier when I saw this:
After Sandy Hook, teachers should be armed, says Texas Gov. Rick Perry

I think it’s worth posting a pic of his boots again too.

TxAnn56 on December 18, 2012 at 7:15 PM

“This type of violence often leaves society with more questions than answers,” Snyder said in the release. “The reasons for such appalling acts usually are numerous and complex.

Yes, that’s true. That’s why trying to stop them at the source, either with gun restrictions, changes in mental health support, mental commitment laws, etc. will never entirely succeed.

On the other hand, the act itself is simple: an armed guy in a school. Once you’ve reached that point you have two options: run and hide, or counter-attack. The former is official policy that was followed in this particular case, and we’ve seen the results of its effectiveness. The latter is much more effective if you have more to attack the killer with than just your body.

I think Perry should have sent the bill back to the legislature for reconsideration in light of Newton. The atmosphere right now requires some calm deliberation, and neither signing it nor vetoing it contributes to that. But all proposals should be on the table. Liberals are bringing theirs (most of which are proven failures), it’s only fair that ours get a hearing as well.

Socratease on December 18, 2012 at 7:16 PM

School conceal carry laws will be a winning issue for the GOP in 2016

Pablo Honey on December 18, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Gun control will be a winner for you in 2014. Ask Tom Foley.

The Count on December 18, 2012 at 7:16 PM

I’m a NRA member & very conservative.
I do not think teachers w/ a little extra training should be toting guns in their pockets. Remember, these are the same union members that act like fools after calling in sick for days for the purpose of protesting good govt legislation like…. ‘Right to Work’

purgatory on December 18, 2012 at 7:12 PM

What about that off-duty cop attending criminal justice classes at Kalamazoo’s community college? Why shouldn’t he/she be able to carry?

Happy Nomad on December 18, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Perry is spot-on. There’s simply no question about it. The only thing that could’ve stopped the CT situation was first) to not have been a ‘gun free zone’ invitation to zero-resistance free-for-all shooting of innocents, and second) have an unknown number and unknown names group of individuals – teachers, staff, etc – in every school that could be, at any given moment, at any place in the school – be packing a weapon with which to end the incident.

Yes, a nutter here or there may still try it, but if some adult – much less 10 adults or so – in that CT school had been carrying a gun, I’m comfortable based on stats and evidence from other situations that this would’ve ended better. Not perfectly, perhaps, but fewer kids would’ve been killed. And maybe none of them would’ve been, had the shooter known that he would likely be put down quickly upon forcing himself into the school and opening fire.

Don’t have a direct quote or attribution, but someone the other referred to ‘gun free zones’ (schools, etc) as ‘hunting preserves’ for those intent on inflicting as much harm as possible with no resistance.

Midas on December 18, 2012 at 7:18 PM

Hey! I know what we oughta do!

This is good — stay with me now.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Let’s make it easier for bad people to do bad things!

Yeah. That’s the ticket.

hillbillyjim on December 18, 2012 at 7:18 PM

It sounds like the Governor gave the republican legislature an easy way to get the bill passed. Go ahead and add the opt-out clause and get it signed. If the left can have “creeping socialism,” then we can get “creeping self-defense rights.”

Mohonri on December 18, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Rick Perry SUPPORTS allowing CC in schools.
Oh Texas, how I love thee…

annoyinglittletwerp on December 18, 2012 at 7:19 PM

I’m a NRA member & very conservative.
I do not think teachers w/ a little extra training should be toting guns in their pockets. Remember, these are the same union members that act like fools after calling in sick for days for the purpose of protesting good govt legislation like…. ‘Right to Work’

purgatory on December 18, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Maybe.

Maybe, however, *those* fools are precisely the ones who *won’t* carry, because they abhor it so much. *shrug*

Midas on December 18, 2012 at 7:19 PM

The legislature overshot. They should have just allowed school employees to be armed, in conjunction with local district decision-making on how to implement.

Dusty on December 18, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Nancy Lanza had volunteered at the Sandy Hook school for several years, working with kindergartners.

I will be grateful for decent reporting to emerge. I keep reading reports that there was no record of her being tied to the school in any way.

If she was allowed to volunteer with no paperwork what other security measures did they miss?

These children were betrayed by adult-ignorance and complacency.

Capitalist Hog on December 18, 2012 at 7:21 PM

I’m disappointed in my Guv, but willing to grant him a Mulligan should this come up again, after the what he has had to endure up here regarding the RTW brouhaha of the last few weeks.

That being said, the schools themselves may be gun free zones, but with the open carry laws up here, I’d be curious to know how the surrounding areas feel about armed neighborhood watch patrols during school hours. Just sayin’.

waterytart on December 18, 2012 at 7:22 PM

What about that off-duty cop attending criminal justice classes at Kalamazoo’s community college? Why shouldn’t he/she be able to carry?

Happy Nomad on December 18, 2012 at 7:17 PM

I don’t think it applies to off duty cops.

The U.S. Congress has determined that in a post-9/11 world, the public is better served when off-duty officers are in a position to effectively respond in the face of a threat. To this end, the Law Enforcement officers Safety Act of 2004 (LEOSA) allows officers to carry concealed weapons not only in their jurisdictions but in all 50 states, and the territories of the United States, provided certain conditions are met.1 This article will explore LEOSA, address federal statutory limitations regarding firearms possession, and summarize a short legal history of the Second Amendment concerning the right to bear arms.2

Source.

JPeterman on December 18, 2012 at 7:22 PM

Idiot. Fluking moron. He wasn’t doing a bad job here in Michigan until now.

NotCoach on December 18, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Let’s make it easier for bad people to do bad things!

Yeah. That’s the ticket.

hillbillyjim on December 18, 2012 at 7:18 PM

Perfect re-cap of the 2012 Presidential elections.

Happy Nomad on December 18, 2012 at 7:23 PM

I need to move to Texas. Especially because the state produces women who look like that reporter.

Bishop on December 18, 2012 at 7:07 PM

The way so many are re-acting to this just proves too many American men have been chick-a-fied.

Imagine if this had happened 60 years ago. A hundred years ago?

There would be men down at that school all armed with guns! The fathers, the sons, the brothers would be down there with their guns to make sure that school remained secure.! Fathers, sons and brothers all across this nation would have their guns out and ready at schools to protect their children, their wives and their teachers!

That’s how this gets dealt with.

What are we doing today? Cowering in fear and attacking anyone who dare suggest that the obvious… that defenseless people arm themselves in the face of murderous madmen! Cowering in fear from rants and attacks by the very people who created the gun free zones in the first place! Cowering in fear and sucking our thumbs as we are attacked by a party who has the real goal of disarming the entire American population… except themselves!

The ruling class will never give up their guns! The celebrities will never give up theirs either!

Our freedoms are not to blame! Liberty was banned at that school! The only options the liberals gave those teachers to protect those children was to run, hide or pray!

JellyToast on December 18, 2012 at 7:23 PM

‘Gun Free Zones’ are lethal – children are especially vulnerable – they deserve protection.

Pork-Chop on December 18, 2012 at 7:23 PM

“more comprehensive review of issues relating to gun violence.”

Pansies.

The word gun is unneeded.

This is just politics and no one really cares about the violence as long as everyone “thinks” they care about it.

Guns, knives, fists, baseball bats, whatever. Violence is violence and the root is all the same. Someone made a bad decision.

ButterflyDragon on December 18, 2012 at 7:25 PM

I’m a NRA member & very conservative.
I do not think teachers w/ a little extra training should be toting guns in their pockets. Remember, these are the same union members that act like fools after calling in sick for days for the purpose of protesting good govt legislation like…. ‘Right to Work’

purgatory on December 18, 2012 at 7:12 PM

BS.

Teachers who take their job seriously and are willing to go through gun training and a rigorous certification process would by definition NOT be the ones to whom you refer.

Nope. Not even close.

hillbillyjim on December 18, 2012 at 7:25 PM

I don’t think it applies to off duty cops.

JPeterman on December 18, 2012 at 7:22 PM

Doesn’t apply to declared gun-free zones like most educational instititutions in MI.

Happy Nomad on December 18, 2012 at 7:25 PM

I seriously doubt the MI legislature knew on Thursday when they passed the bill that on Friday the shootings would occur.

Midas on December 18, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Ah…fair point.

CorporatePiggy on December 18, 2012 at 7:26 PM

The only options the liberals gave those teachers to protect those children was to run, hide or pray!

JellyToast on December 18, 2012 at 7:23 PM

There are other options as sesquireptilian noted earlier: Learn Akido.

Bark should appoint an Akido Czar and Congress should make a law requiring all Americans to become at least a purple belt in Akido.

Bishop on December 18, 2012 at 7:28 PM

I agree with the governor. Why arm a union thug?

Mirimichi on December 18, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Awesome keeping the criminals armed and the law abiding unarmed…smart power.

CW on December 18, 2012 at 7:30 PM

The 2nd Amendment works best when guns are in the hands of God-fearing moral people. The left can’t teach morals, so all they can do is grab guns. Heaven forbid you teach people about the sanctity of life. That might pose some difficulties for them in explaining some of their other policies, if you know what I mean.

The Count on December 18, 2012 at 7:32 PM

[Pork-Chop on December 18, 2012 at 7:23 PM]

Yes, but you can’t legislate away stupidity.

The legislature screwed up by making the measure mandatory, and allowing anyone (permitted) to carry, it gave deep blue districts, and other ‘institutions’ a reason to oppose them. If they had structured it so that it provided locals to exercise the allowance and by how much, it wouldn’t have been such a big deal and it sounds like the Governor would have signed it.

Dusty on December 18, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Gun Free Zones…where only the criminals have guns!!! Smart power.

CW on December 18, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Bark should appoint an Akido Czar and Congress should make a law requiring all Americans to become at least a purple belt in Akido.

Bishop on December 18, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Myself, I’m gonna threaten every S. O. B. that gets in the way of my Marxist takeover with a severe dose of patchouli.

hillbillyjim on December 18, 2012 at 7:34 PM

The problem for Snyder is that any subsequent school shooting in MI would be blamed on the CCW law – that the perp wasn’t breaking the law until he drew his gun…which is exactly the point. The law wouldn’t legalize school shootings. He would only be vindicated if he was lucky enough to have a CCW stop him.

The Count on December 18, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Maybe.

Maybe, however, *those* fools are precisely the ones who *won’t* carry, because they abhor it so much. *shrug*

[Midas on December 18, 2012 at 7:19 PM]

Maybe. Maybe they’ll not want to teach at a school that allows them and they’ll leave and go elsewhere to teach. Double win.

Dusty on December 18, 2012 at 7:36 PM

I agree with the governor. Why arm a union thug?

Mirimichi on December 18, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Especially at a time they are stalking Rick’s family. Literally.

Happy Nomad on December 18, 2012 at 7:37 PM

It’s getting to the point where I’m thinking about just carrying wherever, whenever anyway. It’s not like anyone would ever see it. Any occasion I would have to draw my gun would be one where running afoul of some gun law would be the least of my worries.

The Count on December 18, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Schools couldn’t even opt out!

But why should they want to? What makes more sense than allowing people to carry concealed guns into school buildings?

chumpThreads on December 18, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Gun Free Zones: schools, malls, movie theaters

Non Gun Free Zones: statehouses, courthouses, media headquarters

Oh Irony, thou art…well…ironic.

2lbsTest on December 18, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Douche.

Mr. Arrogant on December 18, 2012 at 7:41 PM

There’s plenty of veterans who are either home or coming home that could use a job protecting “the children”, and they have EXPERIENCE dealing with nutcases.

Rovin on December 18, 2012 at 7:41 PM

There are other options as sesquireptilian noted earlier: Learn Akido.

Bark should appoint an Akido Czar and Congress should make a law requiring all Americans to become at least a purple belt in Akido.

Bishop on December 18, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Akido is good.
I have a 2nd degree black belt in goshin Jutsu Karate and a brown in jiu jitsu and judo.

Your hand won’t stop a bullet tho.

JellyToast on December 18, 2012 at 7:43 PM

But why should they want to? What makes more sense than allowing people to carry concealed guns into school buildings?

chumpThreads on December 18, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Hanging big signs on the door which say: “GUN FREE ZONE! IF YOU HAVE A GUN, PLEASE LEAVE NOW!”

Bishop on December 18, 2012 at 7:44 PM

It’s getting to the point where I’m thinking about just carrying wherever, whenever anyway. It’s not like anyone would ever see it. Any occasion I would have to draw my gun would be one where running afoul of some gun law would be the least of my worries.

The Count on December 18, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Open carry.

It may not make you friends, but that’s not the objective. If your state allows open carry, do so. It’s a healthy object lesson for would-be troublemakers, and educational for the rest.

The more that the people realize that armed, responsible citizens are NOT the enemy, the better off are we all.

hillbillyjim on December 18, 2012 at 7:45 PM

This equates to:

Hey, let’s spend more money because we’re not spending enough!

SouthernGent on December 18, 2012 at 7:45 PM

But why should they want to? What makes more sense than allowing people to carry concealed guns into school buildings?

chumpThreads on December 18, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Hanging big signs on the door which say: “GUN FREE ZONE! IF YOU HAVE A GUN, PLEASE LEAVE NOW!”

Bishop on December 18, 2012 at 7:44 PM

At least the chumpy maroon got his handle half right. That’s better than most of the maroon brigade of shit-spewing idiots who come in here only to “redistribute” the latest leftist line.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming.

hillbillyjim on December 18, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Schools couldn’t even opt out!

But why should they want to? What makes more sense than allowing people to carry concealed guns into school buildings?

chumpThreads on December 18, 2012 at 7:39 PM

I know, right? Who wants to stop mass murderers? Ghouls everywhere might be out of a job than.

NotCoach on December 18, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Adam Lanza Found Out His Mother Was Moving To Commit Him

Adam Lanza found out that his mother, Nancy Lanza, had petitioned the courts for conservatorship of her son as a necessary step toward having him committed to a mental health facility.

Nancy Lanza knew her son was spiraling out of control and that she could no longer manage him. She was trying to get him the help and treatment he desperately needed.

thatsafactjack on December 18, 2012 at 7:05 PM

.
Based on the sketchy detail I’ve heard or read till now, his mother is the one who “dropped the ball.”
But she’s not alive to face charges, sooo … the libs have to blame somebody still alive.

listens2glenn on December 18, 2012 at 7:55 PM

There are other options as sesquireptilian noted earlier: Learn Akido.

Bark should appoint an Akido Czar and Congress should make a law requiring all Americans to become at least a purple belt in Akido.

Bishop on December 18, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Also, as bayam informed us, people are faster than revolver bullets. So maybe we could compromise and allow revolvers in schools.

NotCoach on December 18, 2012 at 7:57 PM

retreat.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 7:57 PM

retreat.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Eat meat.

hillbillyjim on December 18, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Schools couldn’t even opt out!

But why should they want to? What makes more sense than allowing people to carry concealed guns into school buildings?

chumpThreads on December 18, 2012 at 7:39 PM

.
Believing in God, and accepting Jesus as Lord makes more sense.

As long as the school staff is made up of sober-minded, disciplined adults, why wouldn’t it be sensible?

listens2glenn on December 18, 2012 at 8:01 PM

seriously, by the time democrats are done passing gun control, climate change (next up) legislation and immigration reform by 2014, the conservative agenda will have been thoroughly defeated. a bit of a surprise, not that it’s happening but that it’s happening this quick.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 8:01 PM

retreat.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 7:57 PM

.
At hotair it’s, “Run away! Run away!”

listens2glenn on December 18, 2012 at 8:02 PM

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Symbolism over substance, Democrats, the party of bull sh!t.

Cindy Munford on December 18, 2012 at 8:05 PM

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Don’t count your chickens before your ducks are in a row…

… and coming home to roost.

or something.

Don’t worry, Scooby; your guys can monkey it up just as well as ours.

Wait for it. It IS coming.

hillbillyjim on December 18, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Adam Lanza Found Out His Mother Was Moving To Commit Him

Adam Lanza found out that his mother, Nancy Lanza, had petitioned the courts for conservatorship of her son as a necessary step toward having him committed to a mental health facility.

Nancy Lanza knew her son was spiraling out of control and that she could no longer manage him. She was trying to get him the help and treatment he desperately needed.

Nancy Lanza had volunteered at the Sandy Hook school for several years, working with kindergartners. The first grade children who were killed in the attack were children Nancy Lanza had worked with last year. Adam Lanza, in his delusional state, believed that his mother loved the school and the children there more than she loved him. He snapped.

The ACLU and others had sued and caused legislation in Connecticut to be passed that made it much more difficult, and a much more lengthy process, to have an adult committed against their will for treatment at a mental health facility.

This tragedy is not an indication that the U.S. needs more gun laws, assault weapons bans, or gun control. It is a mental health issue. This nation needs to see that those who are suffering from mental health issues receive the treatment and care that they desperately need in a timely and effective manner.

thatsafactjack on December 18, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Be VERY careful about this one! Not saying it’s wrong to consider, but be very clear that the power to commit someone against their will brings a very slippery slope. Used wrongly, it could potentially be as pernicious as gun-grabbing. Ask some of the political inmates in Castro’s mental prisons hospitals.

bofh on December 18, 2012 at 8:07 PM

AP, you are an idiot. The NRA was and is not cowed, they were and are being respectful. Something persons of your ilk cannot understand. My Michelle keeps you on as a pundit is a mystery. For the most part you are so full of it you stink. The donks want to attack to tool and not the workman. There is no law on the books that would have prevented what Lanza did. He could have easily used the handguns he had available to him with the same results. The Second Amendment was not written for self protection, it is there to prevent tyranical government. An armed people are a free people.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on December 18, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Believing in God, and accepting Jesus as Lord makes more sense.

Yeah. Tell it to the Xmas Bunny pal.

As long as the school staff is made up of sober-minded, disciplined adults, why wouldn’t it be sensible?

listens2glenn on December 18, 2012 at 8:01 PM

I do believe you’ve answered your own question.

chumpThreads on December 18, 2012 at 8:10 PM

seriously, by the time democrats are done passing gun control, climate change (next up) legislation and immigration reform by 2014, the conservative agenda will have been thoroughly defeated. a bit of a surprise, not that it’s happening but that it’s happening this quick.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Because bills only need to pass the Senate. Schoolhouse Rock told me so.

NotCoach on December 18, 2012 at 8:11 PM

listens2glenn on December 18, 2012 at 8:01 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on December 18, 2012 at 8:13 PM

listens2glenn on December 18, 2012 at 8:01 PM

I’m so silly.
I forgot to say, Howdy!

annoyinglittletwerp on December 18, 2012 at 8:14 PM

It’s getting to the point where I’m thinking about just carrying wherever, whenever anyway. It’s not like anyone would ever see it. Any occasion I would have to draw my gun would be one where running afoul of some gun law would be the least of my worries.

The Count on December 18, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Not worth it brother. Felony possession in the eyes of the law is just that…a felony. Which will bar you from owning ANY firearm.

When I took my NRA Pistol Basic course for my pistol permit in CT we had a gal that wanted to go into the National Forest Service. Conversation eventually got to hiking in the back country and black bear defense. One guy said that he would risk carrying a pistol into Federal park land in the event he was attacked by a bear. I just looked up and said “Would you really risk a felony and lose your right to bear arms and vote?”

The government wants to disarm you. Why give them the ammunition?

2lbsTest on December 18, 2012 at 8:14 PM

My Why Michelle keeps you on as a pundit is a mystery.
Zelsdorf Ragshaft on December 18, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Hey, cheap help is hard to find.

Mr. Arrogant on December 18, 2012 at 8:14 PM

seriously, by the time democrats are done passing gun control, climate change (next up) legislation and immigration reform by 2014, the conservative agenda will have been thoroughly defeated. a bit of a surprise, not that it’s happening but that it’s happening this quick.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Obviously a delusional Jets fan that still thinks they’re in the playoff picture. Seriously!

Rovin on December 18, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Symbolism over substance, Democrats, the party of bull sh!t.

Cindy Munford on December 18, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Well said. Thank you.

Sesquipidoodoo would have you think otherwise, but we do know BS when we smell it, and the party of gimme dis, gimme dat, will not prevail. Once the Dems crash the economy, they’ll own it whether or not they admit it.

Let the lies begin.

Sesqi, what’s your excuse ahead of time? Blame Bush?

That’s old and moldy. Give us some reason why OJesus and the Dem’s legalized robbery scheme will make a damn. I dare you.

hillbillyjim on December 18, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Not too far OT I hope…

I think it’s worth posting a pic of his boots again too.

TxAnn56 on December 18, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Seeing those boots made me think of this interview, shortly before he announced that he was leaving the race.

Rick Perry’s Boots Inspire a History Lesson

jffree1 on December 18, 2012 at 8:19 PM

I wouldn’t want to be Gov. Rick Snyder the next time a kid is killed in a Michigan school, and there will be a next time. Although the chances of any teachers actually having CCW is pretty small so the effect would be the same.

If you want to protect your kids, home school.

Common Sense on December 18, 2012 at 8:22 PM

If you want to protect your kids, home school.

Common Sense on December 18, 2012 at 8:22 PM

This.
Bonus: They will actually learn critical thinking and other not in vogue skills such as; math, English, hard science.

Mr. Arrogant on December 18, 2012 at 8:24 PM

What makes more sense than allowing people to carry concealed guns into school buildings?

chumpThreads on December 18, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Have classes at the police station?

Not really sure why every school doesn’t have a police sub-station in it.

ButterflyDragon on December 18, 2012 at 8:24 PM

here’s an example of the hounds of the leftist press going after Rahm Emanuel…he wasn’t tough enough.

the leftist press jackals want blood.

http://www.mrc.org/biasalerts/cbs-hounds-rahm-emanuel-left-gun-control-completely-avoids-chicagos-high-murder-rate

the press has been set free to shape the future…and they are not taking No for an answer

BTW, Emanuel talks about ‘straw’ purchases flooding
into the otherwise peaceful Chicago neighborhoods. So wwhat is he saying? Lage database of gun purchasers…can’t buy more than one a year?

r keller on December 18, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Children aren’t at risk. Americans forced into gun-free zones are at risk.

The people who are in danger are those who are not allowed to carry weapons to places in the world where the media glorifies killers and patronizes defenseless victims while simultaneously promoting legislation that only benefits criminals.

HopeHeFails on December 18, 2012 at 8:34 PM

I wonder if they plan to confiscate those already owned? I bet you see the polls make an about fact.

Cindy Munford on December 18, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Children aren’t at risk. Americans forced into gun-free zones are at risk.

HopeHeFails on December 18, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Because in America no place should be “gun free”!

chumpThreads on December 18, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Schools couldn’t even opt out!

But why should they want to? What makes more sense than allowing people to carry concealed guns into school buildings?

[chumpThreads on December 18, 2012 at 7:39 PM]

Districts and other institutions should be able to opt out. Districts, et al, should also be able to opt out of having employees armed in some way. It should be a local decision.

However, maybe that should be made clear to the parents, who also should have the option to opt out of the school district with full portability of the average cost of student education in the district so as to enroll their children in a school more favorable to providing fuller protection to the children in their care. The same should be said for those who don’t want their children protected by school district firearms.

There’s no reason districts or parents should be forced into doing something they don’t want.

Dusty on December 18, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Because in America no place should be is truly “gun free”!

chumpThreads

FIFY.

xblade on December 18, 2012 at 8:48 PM

xblade on December 18, 2012 at 8:48 PM

All these mass shootings have taken place in gun free zones. What is it about this that liberals don’t understand? Do they think it is a coincident?

Cindy Munford on December 18, 2012 at 8:59 PM

If they are so enamored with “gun free zones”, let them “bite the bullet” and provide TSA type security for each “zone” they want. After all, it’s for the children. Shouldn’t our children have the same “gun free zone” protection as our holier than thou politicians and judges enjoy? Oh, and let them fund it out of the school budget if they want to “opt out” of allowing concealed carry in their precious “zones”.

djtnt on December 18, 2012 at 9:00 PM

finally a politician does something that will stop the epidemic of elementary school shootings!!

chasdal on December 18, 2012 at 9:05 PM

All these mass shootings have taken place in gun free zones. What is it about this that liberals don’t understand? Do they think it is a coincident?

Cindy Munford on December 18, 2012 at 8:59 PM

The opposite of “gun-free” is Armed Camp America, Cindy. I know that’s the goal of the NRA and the wet dream of gun fetishists, but some of us would like to think we’re better than Somalia.

chumpThreads on December 18, 2012 at 9:17 PM

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