Carney: Obama will “actively support” Dems’ push for new assault weapons ban

posted at 6:01 pm on December 18, 2012 by Allahpundit

A bit more specific than he was yesterday, huh? Sounds like those cabinet chats on new gun-control measures concentrated a few minds.

“He is actively supportive of, for example, Senator Feinstein’s stated intent to revive a piece of legislation that would reinstate the assault weapons ban,” White House press secretary Jay Carney told reporters, publicly backing for the first time legislation Feinstein plans to introduce. The White House had previously been reluctant to publicly named any specific action it might support in an effort to prevent future massacres.

“[The President] supports — and would support legislation that addresses the problem of the so-called gun show loophole, and there are other elements of gun law — gun legislation that he could support,” Carney said. “People have talked about high- capacity ammunition clips, for example, and that is something, certainly, that he would be interested in looking at,” he added.

As a matter of pure politics, it makes all the sense in the world for him to bypass ticky-tack measures like banning high-capacity magazines and reach for a full assault weapons ban. Not only is he a lame duck, he’s suddenly getting cover on this from Democrats who would have kneecapped him on it six weeks ago. As Rahm Emanuel reminded us today, The One has always supported the ban; any hints to the contrary were nothing more than campaign-trail garbage shoveled at gullible rural Democrats whose votes he needed in purplish states like Pennsylvania. The odds of him getting a new ban through both houses of Congress are south of zero, but that’s okay. By asking for a lot up front, he might soften up Senate Republicans for an eventual compromise on the magazines or on background checks for private gun sales. (His ridiculous fiscal-cliff opening bid worked out reasonably well by softening Boehner up, no?) If Senate Republicans force him to drop the AWB in favor of something more modest, then he can (a) screech about how GOP obstructionism is placing our children in danger while (b) agreeing to the more modest bill in the interest of moving it to the House and putting Boehner and the GOP caucus on the hot seat.

This isn’t really about stopping the next Adam Lanza, in other words. Politically, for the White House, it’s about maximizing O’s leverage in future negotiations with Republicans on other issues by forcing them to take positions on this one that’ll further degrade their popularity and, by extension, their political capital. Policy-wise, it’s about trying to reduce gun violence more broadly, not preventing instances of mass murder. As some liberals admit, there’s not much that can be done legislatively to stop a determined rampage killer but there may be things that can be done that’ll cut the death toll from other types of shootings. They’re leveraging public grief over the victims of Sandy Hook, in other words, to advance a gun-control agenda that’s not really about Sandy Hook or Aurora or Virginia Tech. As a wise man once said: Never let a serious crisis go to waste. That’s smart politics, but I do wonder how the left’s momentum on this will hold up if/when they’re forced to start conceding that their proposals wouldn’t have done much good if enacted before last Friday. To take the most obvious example, Lanza’s rifle apparently did not qualify as an “assault weapon” under either Connecticut state law or the now-expired federal ban. Even if it had, there’s no earthly way that a new AWB would ban semiautomatic pistols or rifles categorically, despite the fact that the larger magazines and quick reloading made possible by semiautomatics are, supposedly, keys to higher death tolls. Not only would an AWB not stop the worst of the worst, in other words, it wouldn’t even stop the bad. But it’s something, and — crucially — it might move the Overton window on this issue enough to make the public more accepting of more aggressive gun-control measures later when the AWB inevitably fails to achieve much. (Just as single-payer will be the “remedy” when ObamaCare fails and more intrusive government policing of one’s diet will be the remedy when Bloomberg’s dumb “Big Gulp” ban fails, the only real “remedy” to gun-control failure is more gun control.) Too bad for liberals it’s not going to happen. But they’ll get some nice political mileage from it if/when they force Boehner and the House to torpedo it.

Here comes the pushback, though — the first statement from the NRA since the Sandy Hook shootings:

National Rifle Association of America is made up of four million moms and dads, sons and daughters – and we were shocked, saddened and heartbroken by the news of the horrific and senseless murders in Newtown.

Out of respect for the families, and as a matter of common decency, we have given time for mourning, prayer and a full investigation of the facts before commenting.

The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again.

The NRA is planning to hold a major news conference in the Washington, DC area on Friday, December 21.

Meaningful policy contributions, i.e. concessions, or some other form of contribution? I assume they’re going to call for better treatment options for the mentally ill to refocus the debate that way rather than on guns. But guess what: A more aggressive mental-health regime might not have stopped Lanza either.

Exit question: Why do gun manufacturers continue to make guns that look like military weapons even though they aren’t? I don’t care if the market demands it; you’re doing gun-control fans a huge favor by following that aesthetic. My hunch is that much of the power in the term “assault weapons” comes less from the term itself than from the fact that it frequently appears in newspapers alongside photos of an AR-15, which looks to an untrained eye like something you’d see in a Rambo movie. Rationally I know it’s not a machine gun but I recoil from it anyway in a way that I don’t when looking at pics of more traditional rifles. Want to make potential gun-grabbers more at ease with semiautomatics? Then make them look as little like automatics as possible.



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- Now demand the banning of all guns.

You’re just plain loco, and very morally conflicted.

darwin on December 18, 2012 at 6:43 PM

+ 100..I agree..:)

Dire Straits on December 18, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Fast and Furious gun found at Mexican crime scene

Galt2009 on December 18, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Eric Holder comment: Oh that’s where it ended up!

My only solace these days- The Nazis thought they would be in power for a century too.

Happy Nomad on December 18, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Exit question: Why do gun manufacturers continue to make guns that look like military weapons even though they aren’t? I don’t care if the market demands it; you’re doing gun-control fans a huge favor by following that aesthetic.

That’s really not the issue. This isn’t an “aesthetic” matter. Firearms are designed in specific ways for specific purposes. And it is our Constitutional right to own firearems.

If Liberals want to ban firearems, then they should be honest and say that they want to amend the Constitution to repeal the Second Amendment. Instead, they try to circumvent the Constitution.

WhatSlushfund on December 18, 2012 at 6:46 PM

Liberals have done more harm, through their endless sanctimonious gibberings, than all the firearms in all of history.

The biggest weapons of mass destruction are liberals.

Liam on December 18, 2012 at 6:46 PM

You just condoned violence, genius.

Jim Treacher on December 11, 2012 at 4:46 PM

there are forms of violence i actually condone.

sesquipedalian on December 11, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Schadenfreude on December 18, 2012 at 6:47 PM

I’m going to miss these “assault weapons” when they’re gone.

http://www.nps.gov/spar/historyculture/images/case_55.jpg

Bishop on December 18, 2012 at 6:47 PM

We need to pass a gun control bill to know what’s in it.
/s

chewmeister on December 18, 2012 at 6:47 PM

How about this, AP?

http://www.riflegear.com/blogimages/KittyRifle.jpg

stick on December 18, 2012 at 6:10 PM

How come kitty rifle has a funky hand grip? Was it subject to the thumbhole stock business from the old AWB?

arnold ziffel on December 18, 2012 at 6:47 PM

These threads make you happy, admit it. ; )

Bmore on December 18, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Ant thread that educates the ignorant, and drives libs crazy, makes me happy.

The thing that bugs me is they fall on ladies night at the range. I have two girls itching to try out their early Christmas presents.

cozmo on December 18, 2012 at 6:48 PM

You’ve proven repeatedly you’re not a serious poster. Enjoy others’ attention.

rogerb on December 18, 2012 at 6:35 PM

that only thing that comment proves is that you’re deeply confused.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Says the Fascist who called me “deluded” on another thread here…

Sorry, kid, but rogerb kicked your getalife into low earth orbit. The only one here not believing that is yourself.

Now, please tell us again how the fact that nearly 15% of all US murders are committed with knives is “irrelevant”, or why it’s OK for gang members to steal weapons from parked railroad freight cars…

Del Dolemonte on December 18, 2012 at 6:49 PM

The biggest weapons of mass destruction are liberals.

Liam on December 18, 2012 at 6:46 PM

Pretty much … their nuclear “good intention” weapon has literally killed millions.

darwin on December 18, 2012 at 6:49 PM

That is not true. rogerb is very accurate.

Bmore on December 18, 2012 at 6:41 PM

1. why he’s copying a sequence of comments from another thread, out of order and without context, only he knows.
2. i linked a chicago sun article to support the claim that criminals get many of their guns from legal, “reputable” dealers.
3. in addition, as a side note i also linked that harvard page because rodge insisted on .edu links.

rodge is not accurate, he’s an imbecile who’s obsessed with me.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:50 PM

cozmo on December 18, 2012 at 6:48 PM

The duty to the girls far out weighs your pleasure on these threads. Enjoy! ; )

Bmore on December 18, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Ant thread that educates the ignorant, and drives libs crazy, makes me happy.

The thing that bugs me is they fall on ladies night at the range. I have two girls itching to try out their early Christmas presents.

cozmo on December 18, 2012 at 6:48 PM

Admit it, you planned that misspelling.

Bishop on December 18, 2012 at 6:50 PM

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:38 PM

You have worn yourself out today, haven’t you?

Bmore on December 18, 2012 at 6:45 PM

sesqui should get a job working for Maytag.

Del Dolemonte on December 18, 2012 at 6:50 PM

rodge is not accurate, he’s an imbecile who’s obsessed with me.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:50 PM

I’m thinking the Sandy Hook shooter thought people were obsessed with him, too.

Hmmm….

Bishop on December 18, 2012 at 6:51 PM

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Nothing you say here is ever out of context. So I have been told.

Bmore on December 18, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Says the Fascist who called me “deluded” on another thread here…

Del Dolemonte on December 18, 2012 at 6:49 PM

let me add that it was prompted by you claiming that clinton left bush a recession and 9/11. i still giggle about that.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:51 PM

TxAnn56 on December 18, 2012 at 6:48 PM

But that would violate the civil rights of the criminal! Can’t have that!

Liberals always and invariably coddle the criminal, making excuses for him. We know the details, so I need not list that ugly history.

The longer this goes on about Sandy Hook, the more I hate liberals.

Liam on December 18, 2012 at 6:52 PM

rodge is not accurate, he’s an imbecile who’s obsessed with me.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:50 PM

No, he is a genius compared to you, and showing those who may not have seen your rants, with your own words, just how stupid you really are.

cozmo on December 18, 2012 at 6:52 PM

No one in the United States military is coming for anyone’s guns or any other private property. I’ll stake my stripes, my NRA Patron membership, and my life on it.
M240H on December 18, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Tell that to David Koresh and hisseveral of his followers.
General Wesley Clark… That name ring any bells with you?

LegendHasIt on December 18, 2012 at 6:52 PM

I’m thinking the Sandy Hook shooter thought people were obsessed with him, too.

Hmmm….

Bishop on December 18, 2012 at 6:51 PM

don’t worry, no guns in this household, which means that nobody will die.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:52 PM

rodge is not accurate, he’s an imbecile who’s obsessed with me.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Aw, poor Ms. Victimhood, here, here…a pacifier, baby…better now, much metter…maahhhhhhh…pacifier in honey now.

Kindergartens are indignant.

Schadenfreude on December 18, 2012 at 6:53 PM

rodge is not accurate, he’s an imbecile who’s obsessed with me.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Any objective observer would say you’re obsessed with attention, especially since most of the crap you post is made up.

Perhaps we need a mental health expert to evaluate you. You could become dangerous in the future.

darwin on December 18, 2012 at 6:53 PM

sesqui should get a job working for Maytag.

Del Dolemonte on December 18, 2012 at 6:50 PM

And grind their reputation for reliability into the dirt?

No thanks.

cozmo on December 18, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Del Dolemonte on December 18, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Lol! Been meaning to mention this. Del, the grade you gave the lost one was a very generous grade. It didn’t seem to appreciate it as much as the rest of us did. ; )

Bmore on December 18, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Tell that to David Koresh and hisseveral of his followers.
General Wesley Clark… That name ring any bells with you?

LegendHasIt on December 18, 2012 at 6:52 PM

That was all FBI and police that went into Waco – not military.

dentarthurdent on December 18, 2012 at 6:53 PM

rodge is not accurate, he’s an imbecile who’s obsessed with me.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Say’s one of the biggest imbeciles to ever grace the pages of Hotair.

JPeterman on December 18, 2012 at 6:54 PM

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Realistically—what do you think YOU are accomplishing here? And where does that value, if any, rate?

Liam on December 18, 2012 at 6:54 PM

don’t worry, no guns in this household, which means that nobody will die.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Providing you don’t have one of those pesky crack head intruders.

Bmore on December 18, 2012 at 6:54 PM

rodge is not accurate, he’s an imbecile who’s obsessed with me.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:50 PM

A narcissist who claims someone has an obsession with him. Perfect.

STL_Vet on December 18, 2012 at 6:54 PM

don’t worry, no guns in this household, which means that nobody will die.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Put that on a sign in your front yard. Or on your front door.

cozmo on December 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM

don’t worry, no guns in this household, which means that nobody will die.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Liberal logic. Put a sign on your door.

the_nile on December 18, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Put that on a sign in your front yard. Or on your front door.

cozmo on December 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM

dude, i live in nyc.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:57 PM

2. i linked a chicago sun article to support the claim that criminals get many of their guns from legal, “reputable” dealers.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Directly from your link:

From 2008 to March 2012, the police successfully traced the ownership of 1,375 guns recovered in crimes in Chicago within a year of their purchase.

Of those guns, 268 were bought at Chuck’s — nearly one in five.

Here on Planet Earth, four in five would be “many” of their guns. Not “one in five”. Proof again that you’re not from around here.

Again, from your link:

The guns traced back to suburban Cook County stores have often been stolen from legitimate buyers who got them for protection, he said.

Police acknowledge stolen guns form part of the supply line to crooks.

In an interview with the Chicago Sun-Times, a South Side gang member admitted he and his crew almost exclusively arm themselves with stolen guns because they can’t afford to buy new ones. Some of those guns, he said, are stolen from freight trains sitting in South Side rail yards. Others are swiped from gun stores.

So in reality, your article only says that 1 in 5 guns from crime scenes in Chicago were traceable to one store. And that many of those traced guns were in fact purchased at the store not by gang members but by law abiding citizens, who later had them stolen.

One more time: do you want to ban railway freight cars for their role in providing guns to gang members?

Del Dolemonte on December 18, 2012 at 6:57 PM

Simple solution: Unionize the Bushmaster, Sig Sauer, and Glock shops… No more AWB nonsense… Bailouts coming and tax credits for select purchases… Not to mention bloated pensions for gunsmiths…

“Osama is dead, and Rock River is alive…!”

PointnClick on December 18, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Providing you don’t have one of those pesky crack head intruders.

Bmore on December 18, 2012 at 6:54 PM

having a gun would mean that i wouldn’t get a chance to use the bat.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Rationally I know it’s not a machine gun but I recoil from it anyway in a way that I don’t when looking at pics of more traditional rifles. Want to make potential gun-grabbers more at ease with semiautomatics? Then make them look as little like automatics as possible.

How?

Axe on December 18, 2012 at 6:59 PM

don’t worry, no guns in this household, which means that nobody will die.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:52 PM

So who’s going to protect you when some armed thug breaks into your house? Guns in mine, and the only one who may die is the thug who is stupid enough to break in while I’m home.

chewmeister on December 18, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Realistically—what do you think YOU are accomplishing here? And where does that value, if any, rate?

Liam on December 18, 2012 at 6:54 PM

i’m now officially the most popular commenter at hotair.

sesquipedalian on December 12, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Good for you! Do you win a prize?

Del Dolemonte on December 12, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Schadenfreude on December 18, 2012 at 7:00 PM

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:59 PM

A bat will not protect you against an armed intruder. Has your home ever been violated? Serious question.

Bmore on December 18, 2012 at 7:01 PM

One more time: do you want to ban railway freight cars for their role in providing guns to gang members?

Del Dolemonte on December 18, 2012 at 6:57 PM

Think of all the lives that could be saved.

According to the US DOT there are about 5,800 vehicle train crashes each year in the United States, most of which occur at Railroad crossings. These accidents cause 600 deaths and injure about 2,300.

STL_Vet on December 18, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Exit question: Why do gun manufacturers continue to make guns that look like military weapons even though they aren’t?

Allahpundit

.
Civilian models of military hand-held, fully-automatic (sub-machinegun) firearms have been available to the general public since before WWII. The reason they look the same is because they are the same, except for the inner mechanisms that limit it to semi-auto fire only.

The reason for this is first and foremost, COST. The manufacturing assembly lines are already set up to produce the military models, so using the same lines to manufacture a civilian model cuts costs.

I don’t care if the market demands it; you’re doing gun-control fans a huge favor by following that aesthetic

Allahpundit

.
If you believe the issue of “aesthetics being too scary looking” is a valid one, then I’m at a loss.
There’s no valid reason for people familiar with firearms to be afraid of the “assault weapon”, and there’s no valid reason for people unfamiliar with firearms to remain unfamiliar with firearms.

Do you find that line of thinking too “hard?”

If an American citizen has been raised to be a “candy-assed pansy”, TOUGH.

listens2glenn on December 18, 2012 at 7:01 PM

having a gun would mean that i wouldn’t get a chance to use the bat.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:59 PM

An assault bat!?

the_nile on December 18, 2012 at 7:01 PM

… General Wesley Clark… That name ring any bells with you?

LegendHasIt on December 18, 2012 at 6:52 PM

You mean that jackass that was water carrier for Hillary’s ’08 campaign? The jackass that tried to get Rush off AFN radio? That Arkansas born West Point ring-knocker Clinton codpiece warmer?

You mean that Wesley Clark?

Yep, everybody in uniform since before yesterday knows who he is.

M240H on December 18, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Says the Fascist who called me “deluded” on another thread here…

Del Dolemonte on December 18, 2012 at 6:49 PM

let me add that it was prompted by you claiming that clinton left bush a recession and 9/11. i still giggle about that.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:51 PM

And when I correctly noted that bin Laden himself admitted that the attacks were supposed to happen on Clinton’s watch, you simply pretended I never said it. BTW I added a later followup post-bin Laden did have a personal animus against Clinton, not simply because he was the President at the time.

As for that recession that Clinton gave Bush? Proven as well. From 2000 to 2001 (Clinton’s watch) the Fed raised interest rates several times to slow down the stock market, which resulted in a recession beginning in March of 2000. Bush wasn’t President then.

F-

Del Dolemonte on December 18, 2012 at 7:03 PM

don’t worry, no guns in this household, which means that nobody will die.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Can you guarantee that, 100%? If so, prove it. Because if your home is invaded, you’ll be begging for your pitiful life over and above your wife’s and children’s lives. YOU, I bet, will be first to scream, “Please don’t kill me!”

You think you hold the moral high ground. But you would sacrifice anyone and everyone to save your own lame carcass if it came to brass tacks.

You’re no Man in my book. You’re not a gentleman, either. You’re a typical pontificating self-centered lib.

Liam on December 18, 2012 at 7:03 PM

Here on Planet Earth, four in five would be “many” of their guns. Not “one in five”. Proof again that you’re not from around here.

oh del, read that again. nearly one in five came from a single, legal gun store. the rest could have come elsewhere, as the article suggest, from the south through the ‘dixie’ line, where it’s even easier to get them.

So in reality, your article only says that 1 in 5 guns from crime scenes in Chicago were traceable to one store. And that many of those traced guns were in fact purchased at the store not by gang members but by law abiding citizens, who later had them stolen.

One more time: do you want to ban railway freight cars for their role in providing guns to gang members?

Del Dolemonte on December 18, 2012 at 6:57 PM

you’re desperately latching on to parts of it. alas,

But stolen guns are only part of the supply.

The gang member interviewed by the Sun-Times also said weapons from straw purchasers are common, too. It’s just another way to make money on the street.

Most federally licensed gun dealers are smart enough to follow the letter of the law that bars them from selling to straw buyers.

So they check whether a customer has a valid Illinois firearm owner’s identification card needed to buy a gun.

They conduct a background check to make sure the buyer isn’t a crook.

But when they suspect a customer is a straw purchaser, some gun dealers don’t follow the spirit of the law, Jones said.

that, right there, is the problem.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 7:04 PM

dude, i live in nyc.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:57 PM

Explains a lot.

Del Dolemonte on December 18, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Obama is shooting for lame duck status awfully early, isn’t he?

Dusty on December 18, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Simple solution: Unionize the Bushmaster, Sig Sauer, and Glock shops… No more AWB nonsense… Bailouts coming and tax credits for select purchases… Not to mention bloated pensions for gunsmiths…

“Osama is dead, and Rock River is alive…!”

PointnClick on December 18, 2012 at 6:58 PM

lol … it would work too.

darwin on December 18, 2012 at 7:06 PM

An assault bat!?

the_nile on December 18, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Wiffle ball.

JPeterman on December 18, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Then make them look as little like automatics as possible.

…are you crazy? Seriously.

TX-96 on December 18, 2012 at 7:07 PM

A bat will not protect you against an armed intruder. Has your home ever been violated? Serious question.

Bmore on December 18, 2012 at 7:01 PM

yes it has, while i was away. been hoping to catch one in the act ever since.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 7:08 PM

dentarthurdent on December 18, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Wouldn’t hurt to educate yourself on that matter. You are only half right.

Start here:

http://www.wnd.com/2003/10/21282/

LegendHasIt on December 18, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Schadenfreude on December 18, 2012 at 7:00 PM

I know. Sad, isn’t it, that someone brags about refusing to have the means to protect his loved ones?

There’s was time when a man said, “You gotta get through me to hurt my family.”

Now, like with all libs, it’s, “Let’s have a meaningful dialogue.”

Pfft!

Liam on December 18, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Anyone who can carry enough magazines and reload them fast enough could have killer just as many with a 1911 pistol which only holds 7-8 rounds ad has been around for over 100 years. These libs know this but it doesn’t matter as long as they can demogouge while standing on the bodies of these poor dead children. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to pretend these libs hearts aren’t filled with rage and are as black as lump of cole. Also with the revelation that Axelrod is attempting to raise campaign dough off this massacre only serves to further underscore the evil in these leftists hearts.

jawkneemusic on December 18, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Here on Planet Earth, four in five would be “many” of their guns. Not “one in five”. Proof again that you’re not from around here.

oh del, read that again. nearly one in five came from a single, legal gun store. the rest could have come elsewhere, as the article suggest, from the south through the ‘dixie’ line, where it’s even easier to get them.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 7:04 PM

But “nearly one in five” isn’t “many”. It’s 1/5 of the total percentage. The textbook definition of “many” is “a large indefinite number”. Proof once more that you’re from another world.

And “as the article suggest” is just as meaningless, because it ignores those guns stolen from legitimate owners, and also ignores those guns stolen from railway cars.

Once again: do you favor a ban on railroad freight cars for their role in supplying weapons to criminals?

Del Dolemonte on December 18, 2012 at 7:10 PM

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 7:08 PM

So never while you were at home in the premises?

Bmore on December 18, 2012 at 7:10 PM

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:52 PM

You have NO idea how low I find you in the greater scheme of all that is humanity and civilization.

Liam on December 18, 2012 at 7:11 PM

“Meaningful policy contributions, i.e. concessions, or some other form of contribution?”

Well, the Foxnews article I read talked about restrictions on violent video games, movies, and some controls on news media reporting. I don’t remember reading about any concessions.

Dusty on December 18, 2012 at 7:13 PM

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:52 PM

I can easily picture you letting happen the rapes of your wife and kids right in front of your eyes, to be sure you don’t ‘offend’ their attackers.

Liam on December 18, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Can you guarantee that, 100%? If so, prove it. Because if your home is invaded, you’ll be begging for your pitiful life over and above your wife’s and children’s lives. YOU, I bet, will be first to scream, “Please don’t kill me!”

Liam on December 18, 2012 at 7:03 PM

perhaps, liam. it’s more likely that no intruder will ever try, much less succeed in, getting through my front door. getting even less likely is that said intruder would be skilled in close-quarters combat. i should also add that being 6’3″, 220 pounds and generally unafraid to get up close, i’m hardly the ideal victim of home intrusion from the perp’s perspective, if you know what i mean.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 7:17 PM

I can easily picture you letting happen the rapes of your wife and kids right in front of your eyes, to be sure you don’t ‘offend’ their attackers.

Liam on December 18, 2012 at 7:17 PM

enough, liam.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 7:21 PM

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Your boasting means nothing, going by all the liberal rot you post all the time. By all you have written, you strike me as a ‘tough guy’ bully type who will fold at the first hint of serious resistance.

By all you have written, you would sacrifice your wife and children to save your own carcass.

You have, by your own writings here, no credibility with me and, counting other people, no standing with many others.

Liam on December 18, 2012 at 7:22 PM

Simple solution: Unionize the Bushmaster, Sig Sauer, and Glock shops… No more AWB nonsense… Bailouts coming and tax credits for select purchases… Not to mention bloated pensions for gunsmiths…

“Osama is dead, and Rock River is alive…!”

PointnClick on December 18, 2012 at 6:58 PM

lol … it would work too.

darwin on December 18, 2012 at 7:06 PM

New union chant: Card check and chamber check!

For the children, of course….

PointnClick on December 18, 2012 at 7:24 PM

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Incorrect. Physical attributes make zero difference. I will leave you with one thought. Having said you were not at home or on the premises at the time of the incursion. You do not know the feeling of your heart being seized by terror as you reach for your useless bat. Once you have enjoyed that moment, it will have a profound affect on your perception. You will never allow it to become even a remote possibility again. Until you know this moment no one can convince you otherwise, regardless of the persuasiveness of they’re council. My hope is you never enjoy the moment. It would bee too late for you and yours at that precise moment.

Bmore on December 18, 2012 at 7:24 PM

don’t worry, no guns in this household, which means that nobody will die.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Really? Ever heard of stabbing and strangulation?

Better yet, have you ever heard of “The Dutch Killed My Step-Grandfather in Indonesia” method of murder? Evidently, it involves falling off a chair while hanging drapery, but getting your step-grandson, a future President of the United States, to blame it on whitey.

Resist We Much on December 18, 2012 at 7:24 PM

let me add that it was prompted by you claiming that clinton left bush a recession and 9/11. i still giggle about that.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Stock market began tanking in February of 2000. By January 2001, NASDAQ lost more than half its value

9/11 pilots graduated flight school in December of 2000.

Giggling is easier than learning, I suppose.

Chuck Schick on December 18, 2012 at 7:24 PM

they’re=their, ?

Bmore on December 18, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Resist We Much on December 18, 2012 at 7:24 PM

sesquipedalian, does not see knives as threatening. No one dies from the use of them in violent crimes. Well not many anyway. His take, not mine, I am fully aware of the numbers.

Bmore on December 18, 2012 at 7:26 PM

enough, liam.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Okay, I’ll stop. But, please understand I don’t want anyone left naked when being attacked. For whatever it might be worth, without any politics at all, I want you and yours to defend your household the same way I demand right to cover mine.

I’m stopped opposing you for now.

Liam on December 18, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Incorrect. Physical attributes make zero difference. I will leave you with one thought. Having said you were not at home or on the premises at the time of the incursion. You do not know the feeling of your heart being seized by terror as you reach for your useless bat. Once you have enjoyed that moment, it will have a profound affect on your perception. You will never allow it to become even a remote possibility again. Until you know this moment no one can convince you otherwise, regardless of the persuasiveness of they’re council. My hope is you never enjoy the moment. It would bee too late for you and yours at that precise moment.

Bmore on December 18, 2012 at 7:24 PM

thanks for the advice.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 7:29 PM

don’t worry, no guns in this household, which means that nobody will die.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:52 PM

So .. no cars and none of you shower. I’m not surprised about the showering part. I can smell you through the blog.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 18, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Well, the Foxnews article I read talked about restrictions on violent video games, movies, and some controls on news media reporting. I don’t remember reading about any concessions.

Dusty on December 18, 2012 at 7:13 PM

My $.02 worth.

One of the problems we have is that we glorify the mass murderers by giving them the attention they wanted- even posthumously.

The Aurora shooter even booby-trapped his apartment that he knew he wouldn’t ever be returning to. The media gave three solid days to the slaying at Newtown with endless speculation in lieu of actual facts (most of it proven to be wrong).

Happy Nomad on December 18, 2012 at 7:33 PM

don’t worry, no guns in this household, which means that nobody will die.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Heh! I’m sure that more than a couple parents who sent their five-year-old off to Sandy Hook Elementary was equally oblivious to the realities of the world.

You control what you can but there is much that you cannot.

Happy Nomad on December 18, 2012 at 7:35 PM

don’t worry, no guns in this household, which means that nobody will die.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:52 PM

You’re such a simplistic tw8t. What a dumbazz.

CW on December 18, 2012 at 7:38 PM

don’t worry, no guns in this household, which means that nobody will die.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:52 PM

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Certainly no one will die from an accidental discharge, while cleaning a gun.
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If you live in a neighborhood where home-invasion “ain’t never gonna happen”, then more power to you.

But you still have to leave that fortress sometime, and go out into the real world.

listens2glenn on December 18, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Certainly no one will die from an accidental discharge, while cleaning a gun.

listens2glenn on December 18, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Unless they’re idiot liberals.

Liam on December 18, 2012 at 7:46 PM

don’t worry, no guns in this household, which means that nobody will die.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Really? There was never the SF earthquake, never the NYC blackout, never 911. The system can’t fail. You just have to pick up the phone and SWAT and the Marines will be there before you blink. Keep believing that. It will be fun to find you on the evolutionary tree.

Limerick on December 18, 2012 at 7:46 PM

don’t worry, no guns in this household, which means that nobody will die.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Lizzie Borden, Caesar, and that kid beaten to death in Chicago with a 2×4 a few years back want to have a talk with you.

Bishop on December 18, 2012 at 7:50 PM

[Happy Nomad on December 18, 2012 at 7:33 PM]

I agree it’s a problem, I don’t necessarily think the solutions should include what I infer the NRA alluded to as contributions to the discussion of what needs to be addressed.

I believe we should address the problem in the least restrictive and most effective way possible and see if it does what is needed first. Right now, it’s providing the allowance for firearms in schools for protection as decided upon by local districts. I’m still on the fence wrt mental health proposals as I don’t know enough.

Anyway, if all that is needed is the ability to have a firearm availability in schools for protection, that condition will become the norm across the country without making it mandatory.

Dusty on December 18, 2012 at 7:51 PM

Exit question: Why do gun manufacturers continue to make guns that look like military weapons even though they aren’t? I don’t care if the market demands it; you’re doing gun-control fans a huge favor by following that aesthetic. My hunch is that much of the power in the term “assault weapons” comes less from the term itself than from the fact that it frequently appears in newspapers alongside photos of an AR-15, which looks to an untrained eye like something you’d see in a Rambo movie. Rationally I know it’s not a machine gun but I recoil from it anyway in a way that I don’t when looking at pics of more traditional rifles. Want to make potential gun-grabbers more at ease with semiautomatics? Then make them look as little like automatics as possible.

That could be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read. Why not make all guns PINK while we’re at it ? They’ll look less threatening that way, too. Give me a break.

deadrody on December 18, 2012 at 7:52 PM

Bishop on December 18, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Manson the the Hillside strangler ran like hell from the ADT sign in the garden out front.

Limerick on December 18, 2012 at 7:52 PM

i should also add that being 6’3″, 220 pounds and generally unafraid to get up close, i’m hardly the ideal victim of home intrusion from the perp’s perspective, if you know what i mean.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 7:17 PM

At 0300, bleary eyed and confused, yeah, I’ll bet you’re a terror to a dude buzzed out of his skull on meth.

Bishop on December 18, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Logic and compassion will thwart all criminals. Believe! Focus! They will melt to tears as you explain your desire to survive.

Limerick on December 18, 2012 at 7:54 PM

i should also add that being 6’3″, 220 pounds and generally unafraid to get up close, i’m hardly the ideal victim of home intrusion from the perp’s perspective, if you know what i mean.

sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 7:17 PM

A 9mm is afraid of no fat to muscle ratio.

Limerick on December 18, 2012 at 7:56 PM

i should also add that being 6’3″, 220 pounds and generally unafraid to get up close, i’m hardly the ideal victim of home intrusion from the perp’s perspective, if you know what i mean.
sesquipedalian on December 18, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Hefty gal, ain’tcha?

LegendHasIt on December 18, 2012 at 7:59 PM

having a gun would mean that i wouldn’t get a chance to use the bat.

sesquipedalian

Why do you need a bat? Just tackle him/them.

xblade on December 18, 2012 at 8:01 PM

A 9mm is afraid of no fat to muscle ratio.

Limerick on December 18, 2012 at 7:56 PM

I prefer .45 ACP unjacketed.

Liam on December 18, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Hefty gal, ain’tcha?

LegendHasIt on December 18, 2012 at 7:59 PM

lol, good one.

arnold ziffel on December 18, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Just joined the NRA for the first time, and will definitely be buying my first gun as soon as I get home from Christmas. These progs scare the crap out of me. They always say they are against something until a crisis gives them the ability to do it. What’s the next crisis they won’t put to waste?

specialkayel on December 18, 2012 at 8:04 PM

I’ve yet to hear one single point that explains how taking the guns from law abiding citizens takes the guns from criminals, or how one law forbidding criminals to have firearms keeps criminals from having firearms. We of the gun culture are very very curious how disarming the rational disarms the irrational, or the evil.

Limerick on December 18, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Liam on December 18, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Grips are too big for my hands. It jumps too much. Then again I’m a 00 buck kinda guy. Doors are cheap at Home Depot.

Limerick on December 18, 2012 at 8:06 PM

arnold ziffel on December 18, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Reminds ya of Doris, Huh?
;-)

LegendHasIt on December 18, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Nite all, I need to smelt my Glock into party favors and into artificial limbs for handicapped criminals.

Limerick on December 18, 2012 at 8:12 PM

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