Video: Obama’s speech in Newtown

posted at 8:01 am on December 17, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

While the nation mourned the horrific murders at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Connecticut, Barack Obama arrived to deliver a message of political action.  What kind of action?  Despite some of the initial reactions to Obama’s speech at the prayer vigil last night, a read of the transcript shows that the speech was as vague on solutions as most of us have felt since the shootings on Friday.  Certainly, one could have some suspicions about the direction that Obama and his administration would like to travel for solutions, but other than promise to study the situation, Obama offered no easy proposals to solve the problems of brokenness, however one defines it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1gSsm5xlKQ

Here is the most relevant part of the speech:

We can’t tolerate this anymore. These tragedies must end. And to end them, we must change. We will be told that the causes of such violence are complex, and that is true. No single law — no set of laws can eliminate evil from the world, or prevent every senseless act of violence in our society.

But that can’t be an excuse for inaction. Surely, we can do better than this. If there is even one step we can take to save another child, or another parent, or another town, from the grief that has visited Tucson, and Aurora, and Oak Creek, and Newtown, and communities from Columbine to Blacksburg before that — then surely we have an obligation to try.

In the coming weeks, I will use whatever power this office holds to engage my fellow citizens — from law enforcement to mental health professionals to parents and educators — in an effort aimed at preventing more tragedies like this. Because what choice do we have? We can’t accept events like this as routine. Are we really prepared to say that we’re powerless in the face of such carnage, that the politics are too hard? Are we prepared to say that such violence visited on our children year after year after year is somehow the price of our freedom?

But Obama never went any further toward providing his own answers to those questions.  Instead, he returned to the tenor of the vigil service:

All the world’s religions — so many of them represented here today — start with a simple question: Why are we here? What gives our life meaning? What gives our acts purpose? We know our time on this Earth is fleeting. We know that we will each have our share of pleasure and pain; that even after we chase after some earthly goal, whether it’s wealth or power or fame, or just simple comfort, we will, in some fashion, fall short of what we had hoped. We know that no matter how good our intentions, we will all stumble sometimes, in some way. We will make mistakes, we will experience hardships. And even when we’re trying to do the right thing, we know that much of our time will be spent groping through the darkness, so often unable to discern God’s heavenly plans.

There’s only one thing we can be sure of, and that is the love that we have — for our children, for our families, for each other. The warmth of a small child’s embrace — that is true. The memories we have of them, the joy that they bring, the wonder we see through their eyes, that fierce and boundless love we feel for them, a love that takes us out of ourselves, and binds us to something larger — we know that’s what matters. We know we’re always doing right when we’re taking care of them, when we’re teaching them well, when we’re showing acts of kindness. We don’t go wrong when we do that.

In the face of such evil and horror, a little humility isn’t a bad quality to demonstrate.  We’ll see whether that sticks, but the speech itself — on its own terms — expresses the anger, frustration, and grief that all Americans still feel after Newtown: how can we fix this? And perhaps the greater frustration: Is it really in our power to fix it?

Update: I wrote that the shootings took place on Thursday, but they took place on Friday.  I’ve fixed it above.


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Time to start profiling white male gun owners.

lostmotherlandfluker on December 17, 2012 at 8:13 AM
How is it that this moron made it through the weekend without being banned?

turfmann on December 17, 2012 at 8:16 AM

…when the septic field starts bubbling out of the ground and you acknowledge it…the rest of the sewage starts coming to the top!…this thread is an example…next thing you know solid feces like turdfreeorpee and DickDryrot are all over your lawn!

KOOLAID2 on December 17, 2012 at 9:25 AM

If you refuse to address the mental health elephant in the room then there will be more people murdered.

Dave Rywall on December 17, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Dang, your brain worked…for once.

The libs and ACLU (but I repeat myself) won’t do it.

They keep going after the wrong target.

cozmo on December 17, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Actually the Hotair bloggers were complimentary to Obama’s initial statements that now was not the time for politics and policy debates etc.

But when liberals start musing at an event meant to only deal with mourning and loss what the super state can do to fix universal problems of the human condition some of us know what’s coming and don’t like it.

gwelf on December 17, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Obama has no core beliefs or faith in God so the only thing he can offer is a quick fix by the stse. And no, he should NOT be sucking up the air space in this abominable act.

congma on December 17, 2012 at 9:26 AM

If you refuse to address the mental health elephant in the room then there will be more people murdered.

Your choice.

Dave Rywall on December 17, 2012 at 9:22 AM

if we refuse! Seems we’re the only ones who care about 300 dead Mexicans, and four dead Americans including Chris Stevens

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Time to start profiling white male gun owners.

lostmotherland on December 17, 2012 at 8:13 AM

I’ll have Roy meet you at the gate.

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Obama’s speech sounded like all his speeches – a teleprompter. It probably even scrolled the words *shed a tear here” and Ron Barack Burgundy followed it religiously.

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 8:45 AM

If he was there to speak from the heart, why did he use a teleprompter in the first place?

petefrt on December 17, 2012 at 9:29 AM

If you refuse to address the mental health elephant in the room then there will be more people murdered.

Your choice.

Dave Rywall on December 17, 2012 at 9:22 AM

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2011/jan/10/loughners-illness-protected-liberal-privacy-laws/

I repeat myself.

hawkdriver on December 17, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Violence in the media needs to be part of the conversation. It appears to have contributed to the problem in Newtown. We’ll likely know more based on the FBI’s computer forensics.

dedalus on December 17, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Why do we need to re-order the society of law abiding citizens in an attempt to stop crazy and evil people from doing crazy and evil things? Why does 90+% of the population need it’s rights limited in a vain attempt to prevent the unpreventable?

If the goal of our laws is preventative then why don’t we outlaw cars and any other thing which causes death or harm?

gwelf on December 17, 2012 at 9:29 AM

lostmotherland is North Korea. Don’t worry. They’re still “authentic” according to the NYTimes. Kim Jong Un can still jump tall building in single bounds and still hires the really hot girls for traffic duty.

launching satellites…that’s a different story.

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 9:32 AM

There have also been recent mass shootings in Norway and Germany (you know – places where it’s essentially illegal to own a gun). If their socialized medicine systems aren’t sufficient then what prayer do we have?

gwelf on December 17, 2012 at 9:25 AM
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Then clearly those countries aren’t doing enough to address mental health issues.

Gun control is only a tiny part of the solution. And by gun control I mean pay f*cking attention to the mental health of people who want to obtain a gun and have limits on the kinds of guns people can get.

The status quo is clearly not working, so stop second amendment whining and get your heads out fo your asses.

Dave Rywall on December 17, 2012 at 9:32 AM

If he was there to speak from the heart, why did he use a teleprompter in the first place?

petefrt on December 17, 2012 at 9:29 AM

good question. Why does he think San Diaaago means a whales vajayjay?

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 9:33 AM

I repeat myself.

hawkdriver on December 17, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Libs work diligently to protect the mentally ill. Then blame the gun when the mentally ill do what the mentally ill do.

cozmo on December 17, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Dang, your brain worked…for once.

The libs and ACLU (but I repeat myself) won’t do it.

They keep going after the wrong target.

cozmo on December 17, 2012 at 9:25 AM
——

The NRA could come out of this smelling like roses if they stopped being such obstinate a**holes.

If they embraced the “no guns for mentally ill people” argument and led the charge to tackle the issue, they, for once, would be useful.

But tackling mental health issues is hard, so zero chance of them doing something like that.

Dave Rywall on December 17, 2012 at 9:35 AM

The status quo is clearly not working, so stop second amendment whining and get your heads out fo your asses.

Dave Rywall on December 17, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Its libs you should be addressing.

cozmo on December 17, 2012 at 9:35 AM

The status quo is clearly not working, so stop second amendment whining and get your heads out fo your asses.

Dave Rywall on December 17, 2012 at 9:32 AM

you’re right. Gun Free zones are clearly not working.

when do you suddenly grow a brain?

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Dave Rywall on December 17, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Um other than the fact that it isn’t in their charter, they have tried to keep guns out of the hands of those who should not have them.

Next?

cozmo on December 17, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Why do we need to re-order the society of law abiding citizens in an attempt to stop crazy and evil people from doing crazy and evil things? Why does 90+% of the population need it’s rights limited in a vain attempt to prevent the unpreventable?

If the goal of our laws is preventative then why don’t we outlaw cars and any other thing which causes death or harm?

gwelf on December 17, 2012 at 9:29 AM
——

Why don’t you go to Newtown and say this to one of the parents and then let us know how that goes.

“why don’t we outlaw cars and any other thing which causes death or harm?”
is incredibly f*cking stupid and useless in this discussion – if you don’t realize that, then you’re too stupid to be here and you should put a sock in it.

Dave Rywall on December 17, 2012 at 9:37 AM

If you refuse to address the mental health elephant in the room then there will be more people murdered.

Dave Rywall on December 17, 2012 at 9:22 AM

That is exactly the discussion that needs to occur but your fellow travelers only want to talk about banning guns, clips, and ammo. To discuss the mental health system you need to have adults present and the rat-eared wonder and all the left only wants to talk about gutting the Constitution.

Happy Nomad on December 17, 2012 at 9:37 AM

the only recent shooting not committed by a lunatic was the Family Research Council shooting. Ban guns for libs. they’re all lunatics.

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 9:38 AM

The status quo is clearly not working, so stop second amendment whining and get your heads out fo your asses.

Dave Rywall on December 17, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Its libs you should be addressing.

cozmo on December 17, 2012 at 9:35 AM
——

Both sides of the aisle have done f all to prevent anything anywhere any time.

Order more body bags.

Dave Rywall on December 17, 2012 at 9:38 AM

I used to think this was a conservative, freedom-loving blog. The president said this:

Are we prepared to say that such violence visited on our children year after year after year is somehow the price of our freedom?

And, as usual, it went right over the author’s head.

Durka-Durka on December 17, 2012 at 9:39 AM

if you don’t realize that, then you’re too stupid to be here and you should put a sock in it.

Dave Rywall on December 17, 2012 at 9:37 AM

There is truth in this. If there is anything the Candadian Commie knows it is stupid. But, of course the sock is for others and not him.

Happy Nomad on December 17, 2012 at 9:39 AM

you’re right. Gun Free zones are clearly not working.

when do you suddenly grow a brain?

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 9:35 AM
——
tell us, mr giant brain, how you’d like to tackle the enormous mental health issues as they relate to these massacres

Dave Rywall on December 17, 2012 at 9:40 AM

We can’t tolerate this anymore.

We have to change? The one time Barack Obama forgets the word I? That is pretty interesting because its that rage of jealousy the President is so very fond of exploiting that’s caused this terrible tragedy, in fact, covetousness gone to fury is the major component in a wave of violence merely culminating in the awful Sandy Hook incident.

You want change? You can’t take it anymore? Aside from the obvious connection to what several shooters must have felt:

Grow up! Heal thyself! Stop being the political children of anger.

Speakup on December 17, 2012 at 9:40 AM

Hot Air refuses to show any of the President’s remarks on Newton. That’s just stank.

libfreeordie on December 16, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Your apology was underwhelming.

Left Coast Right Mind on December 17, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Durka-Durka on December 17, 2012 at 9:39 AM

It’s now a Republican, amnesty loving blog. Get over it or rag on Ed some more. I prefer the latter

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 9:42 AM

“why don’t we outlaw cars and any other thing which causes death or harm?”
is incredibly f*cking stupid and useless in this discussion – if you don’t realize that, then you’re too stupid to be here and you should put a sock in it.

Dave Rywall on December 17, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Nope, its the logical progression of the anti-gun arguemnt.

Both sides of the aisle have done f all to prevent anything anywhere any time.

Order more body bags.

Dave Rywall on December 17, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Nope, the right has tried constructive solutions to mental health problems. The left shoots every one of them down.

cozmo on December 17, 2012 at 9:42 AM

You can’t fix crazy. You can only hope to contain it.

ButterflyDragon on December 17, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Hey Ed! Don’t get to…er…high on Amnesty

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 9:43 AM

The NRA could come out of this smelling like roses if they stopped being such obstinate a**holes.

If they embraced the “no guns for mentally ill people” argument and led the charge to tackle the issue, they, for once, would be useful.

But tackling mental health issues is hard, so zero chance of them doing something like that.

Dave Rywall on December 17, 2012 at 9:35 AM

The NRA already does, it was the NRA which pushed to have that question added to the Form 4473 addressing mental illness. The problem is that medical records are mostly sealed and even the cops have difficulty accessing them when doing background checks.

It was also the NRA which lobbied for the background check system which is in place now. I’m not sure what else you expect them as a private organization to do.

It’s not the NRA’s responsibility to keep firearms out of the hands of the mentally ill, that falls to government at all levels.

Bishop on December 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Is that really the appropriate time/venue to roll out specific policy proposals? I imagine he’ll address those in another forum (is there a state of the union next year?). I thought his speech was too political even with the vagueness, and oddly detached as well. There was nothing warm or particularly comforting about it, just like the man himself. He gives these as if he’s just checking the ‘give presidential response’ box.

changer1701 on December 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Dave Rywall on December 17, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Bless your heart, you act like no one tries, that we just wander blithely from one horrific tragedy to another without trying to prevent them. At this point the mental illness has to have been documented by law enforcement, due to patient/physician confidentiality. And even then if it is a juvenile or in the case of the VA Tech shooter, some bureaucrat decides to override the possibility of an actual criminal record with anger management classes there may not be a record available. And if you don’t think that families of mentally ill people, gun owners and the producers of violent videos, songs and movies/TV are going to fight the stigma, you don’t know people.

Cindy Munford on December 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Then clearly those countries aren’t doing enough to address mental health issues.

Gun control is only a tiny part of the solution. And by gun control I mean pay f*cking attention to the mental health of people who want to obtain a gun and have limits on the kinds of guns people can get.

The status quo is clearly not working, so stop second amendment whining and get your heads out fo your asses.

Dave Rywall on December 17, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Why do you assume the killer obtained his guns legally?
And if he had then by what criteria would you have denied him ownership? He didn’t have a criminal record and as far as I know he’d never been hospitalized for any mental conditions or declared dangerous by a psychiatrist (he might have but I havn’t read anything saying he had).

gwelf on December 17, 2012 at 9:45 AM

“why don’t we outlaw cars and any other thing which causes death or harm?”
is incredibly f*cking stupid and useless in this discussion – if you don’t realize that, then you’re too stupid to be here and you should put a sock in it.

Dave Rywall on December 17, 2012 at 9:37 AM

You realize alcohol causes more death, destruction and violent behaviors than all of the guns and video games could ever do.

Ban alcohol?

ButterflyDragon on December 17, 2012 at 9:45 AM

If the goal of our laws is preventative then why don’t we outlaw cars and any other thing which causes death or harm?

gwelf on December 17, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Cars and drivers are regulated–seat belts, impact protection, DUI. The country won’t eliminate either guns or cars but there will be an attempt to reduce fatal externalities.

dedalus on December 17, 2012 at 9:45 AM

The status quo is clearly not working, so stop second amendment whining and get your heads out fo your asses.

Dave Rywall on December 17, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Fix your own country. The fact is even with your government produced stats of crime “continuing to fall”, your organized crime with gangs in Winnipeg and Manitoba “continue to climb”. Sick to death of you sounding like you can order shit here.

hawkdriver on December 17, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Curious why if Obama had a son, he wouldn’t look like one of the Sandy Hook victims.

BigAnge on December 17, 2012 at 9:47 AM

tell us, mr giant brain, how you’d like to tackle the enormous mental health issues as they relate to these massacres

Dave Rywall on December 17, 2012 at 9:40 AM

my brain is normal sized, slightly above average intellect. But I still know taking away our protection from lunatics isn’t the answer. I also know lunatics and criminals show a devout tendency to flout gun laws. Your answer? More gun laws for them to flout.

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 9:47 AM

De-institutionalization didn’t start under Reagan, in fact it was an ongoing movement starting at least as far back as the early 1960′s with treatments for syphilis actually stopping the rise of the long-term mental effects that disease had. If you wish to blame the homeless and other problems with de-institutionalized mental patients, then do realize that they are an effect of longer term legislation that started before he ever got into office.

The ACLU is only a part of this problem, and continues to work against a stronger review of mental commitment even after decades of problems with de-institutionalized mental patients or those who at one time would have required deeper psychiatric evaluation but cannot be put to such due to their civil rights. Indeed involuntary commitment is something not done lightly, nor is institutionalization especially after remedies for mental problems are discovered. Such discovery, especially for long-term ameliorative medical use to keep such an illness at bay requires that one with such an illness actually take such medication which can be most difficult to those who have no life habits for that self-care.

Over at NRO John Fund takes a look at mass killings in the US and finds that they are less common this past decade than in the prior decade, and that the worst year for mass killing in the US was 1929. As a people we do not see this as an everyday occurrence and are in no way used to such things. And when they happen in schools or theaters, they are of a particular horror, because of the situation that we voluntarily create via legislation and then abide by as citizens. What was missing from those incidents, however, were CCW holders (or simple concealed carry in non-prohibited States) in the audience as the theater had a no handguns rule for the establishment. Of mass shootings Mr. Fund puts forward that since the 1950′s only one incident, that involving Gabby Giffords, happened in a place where carrying firearms was not prohibited with the rest taking place in ‘gun free zones’. To someone with a homicidal derangement or total disregard for the life and humanity of others, such an area is the equivalent of a risk-free attack zone: no one will lay down return fire or even be able to threaten to do so.

Do remember that we have had people driving cars, trucks and SUVs through open markets, into restaurants, and other facilities that guarantee a high number of unarmed individuals in a relatively confined space. Similarly hand weapons and hand powered distance weapons have also taken a share of these events, so it is not guns nor cars nor any single thing that causes such massacres save the state of mind of the individual doing the carnage. The weapons are not the cause of these incidents nor even the easy outlet for these troubled souls who apparently have few qualms about slaughtering the innocent and getting blood on their hands or faces, at long range or up-close and personal. What they do fear is their lives being put in jeopardy by those who are willing to fight back and have a means to do so. Restricting ‘assault weapons’ did not stop these attacks in the ’90s and will not stop them now… nor will attempting to ban high capacity magazines… or shotguns… or pistols… or bow and arrow… or knives… once there is murder in the heart and mind, then things being ‘illegal’ have little meaning and less consequence to those who have already decided that they are the law unto themselves.

That is the problem.

It is worth finding a way to keep the sane from being unjustly institutionalized and yet protect the sane from those who lose grip with reality and simple common decency. And as so many on the Left try to cast conservatives as having mental problems in their conservative ideology, great care must be taken against the horrific abuse of such power as has been witness in tyrannical regimes for nearly a century. No public safety is gained by the course of punishing political ideology by casting it as a mental disorder… but that requires rational discussion and ending aspersions of blood libel, being against human rights, racism, and any other form of demonization of those with different political beliefs… which is an irrational fear of the other which requires rational discussion, not emotional stimulation.

ajacksonian on December 17, 2012 at 9:48 AM

wait, Dave Rywall isn’t even an American?!

Get Toby Keith to put a boot in his @ss – it’s the American way

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Why don’t you go to Newtown and say this to one of the parents and then let us know how that goes.

“why don’t we outlaw cars and any other thing which causes death or harm?”
is incredibly f*cking stupid and useless in this discussion – if you don’t realize that, then you’re too stupid to be here and you should put a sock in it.

Dave Rywall on December 17, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Laws wont stop evil people from doing evil things.
You have a bigger chance of getting hit by lightning that killed in a mass shooting by a crazy person (you’re more likely to be killed in a car accident and cars kills tens of thousands of people a year; the truth is that if cars were illegal then hundreds of thousands of people would still be alive). If YOUR criteria for creating laws is to only stop once you can guarantee crazy people won’t be able to do crazy things then you’re on a fools errand.

Practically speaking you can’t prevent things like this. The best you can do is empower people to stop them once they have started.

But according to I’m just an idiot so why don’t you enlighten us – what laws would have stopped this from happening?

gwelf on December 17, 2012 at 9:50 AM

wait, Dave Rywall isn’t even an American?!

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Yeah, doing the job American idiot libs won’t.

cozmo on December 17, 2012 at 9:50 AM

I really can’t believe the revisionism here. I get the gun-grabbing, but the mental health issue?

The ALCU and other progressive groups sued states to release mental patients from institutions who weren’t there voluntarily.

But fact that someone who probably should have been institutionalized get a gun because he’s free, this is the conservatives fault, again?

You can’t win for losing in Joe Goebbles Land.

hawkdriver on December 17, 2012 at 9:51 AM

But according to I’m just an idiot so why don’t you enlighten us – what laws would have stopped this from happening?

gwelf on December 17, 2012 at 9:50 AM

Why magic unicorn laws of course, you silly goose.

cozmo on December 17, 2012 at 9:52 AM

wait, Dave Rywall isn’t even an American?!

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 9:49 AM

No he is not, however; Drywall has plenty of advice for Americans and would opine about it on Canadian blogs except that they have restricted freedom of speech up there. So he comes here instead.

Bishop on December 17, 2012 at 9:54 AM

I was not born with a passion for our 2nd Amendment, nor was I born into a hunting or sporting family where such skills and affinities would be expected to be passed down. No, what made me embrace and treasure our 2nd Amendment was being told to do a book-report on ‘The Diary of Anne Frank’ in the eight grade. I imagined the helplessness she must have experienced, trapped in that attic with no way to defend herself against a government and a people intent on her enslavement and destruction.

Now, hearing about this unfathomable Newtown slaughter, I can only imagine how different things might have turned out if every other adult present at that school had been armed, trained and willing to intervene on those children’s behalf.

As long as we continue to create these ‘gun-free/target-rich’ environments, and as long as we continue to propogate a society unwilling or unable to defend itself at the micro level, we will continue to see more of this.

CaptFlood on December 17, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Cars and drivers are regulated–seat belts, impact protection, DUI. The country won’t eliminate either guns or cars but there will be an attempt to reduce fatal externalities.

dedalus on December 17, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Guns are already regulated. What new gun law would have prevented what happened?

The truth is that the evidence says that more guns in the hands of of law-abiding citizens reduces crime. But liberals never take this approach. Conservatives want an educated populace that’s capable of defending itself from criminals. See the above posts about the efforts of the NRA. We already have laws that try to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the insane but all laws are flawed and they cannot guarantee anything. Liberal solutions to such flaws are always doubling down on the things that don’t work but restrict the freedoms of law-abiding citizens wishing to protect themselves.

gwelf on December 17, 2012 at 9:55 AM

JellyToast on December 17, 2012 at 9:03 AM

-
As usual, you’re spot on.
…And the fawning parasites called media.

diogenes on December 17, 2012 at 9:55 AM

Seems as if everyone reads into Dear Leaders speech what they want to hear…based on his four year history concerning Americans’ Constitutional rights, I am not comforted.

d1carter on December 17, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Obama’s speech sounded like all his speeches – a teleprompter. It probably even scrolled the words *shed a tear here” and Ron Barack Burgundy…..
Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 8:45 AM

Did those tears flow from the apparent extra tear ducts at the outside corners of his eyes? Did he tenderly wipe them again with his middle finger?

quiz1 on December 17, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Just because I want to start some crap, I blame atheists. They can’t be content to have their own beliefs, or lack there of, they have to squash all other expressions that don’t agree with them. They belittle and bully believers taking away the benefits of extra hope, grace and conscience they might exercise before doing something that they might regret.

Cindy Munford on December 17, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Bishop on December 17, 2012 at 9:54 AM

LOL!!

Cindy Munford on December 17, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Practically speaking you can’t prevent things like this. The best you can do is empower people to stop them once they have started.

gwelf on December 17, 2012 at 9:50 AM

No-gun zones are soft targets. An elementary school is a soft target. Kindergarteners are soft targets. Now, I’m not suggesting CCW for toddlers as one filthy lib was snarking about within minutes of the shooting (and before the true magnitude was even known) but practically speaking all a school can do is to try and control the learning environment but even that goes just so far. Those children in Detroit or Chicago may be safe in schools locked down tighter than Fort Knox but sooner or later they have to go home in neighborhoods filled with shootings in a supposedly gun-free environment.

This is what the anti-Constitution people don’t get. Even if they were able to ban all private gun ownership, there would still be shootings. There still would be mass murder. There still would be violent death. Guns are not the problem no matter how much the left wants to portray every gun owner as a ticking timebomb even though the vast majority gun owners are responsible and safe.

Happy Nomad on December 17, 2012 at 9:59 AM

There’s probably a tax on gun ownership buried somewhere in Obamacare. Like maybe $1000/gun/year, enforced by IRS.

petefrt on December 17, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Cindy Munford on December 17, 2012 at 9:58 AM

But that’s what libs do!

Fling crap, that is.

cozmo on December 17, 2012 at 10:01 AM

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/12/17/1344001/huckabee-blames-tax-funded-abortion-pills-for-newtown-massacre/?mobile=wt

Huckabee doubles Down on blaming birth control and abortion and atheists and probably the gays for the shooting. Since CT is so liberal how is this it blaming The victim by proxy.

libfreeordie on December 17, 2012 at 10:02 AM

There’s probably a tax on gun ownership buried somewhere in Obamacare. Like maybe $1000/gun/year, enforced by IRS.

petefrt on December 17, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Per gun? Or gun owner…its important.

They might get a couple, but when word gets around…

cozmo on December 17, 2012 at 10:03 AM

libfreeordie on December 17, 2012 at 10:02 AM

That makes him as stupid as y’all.

cozmo on December 17, 2012 at 10:03 AM

cozmo on December 17, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Unfortunately there seems to be good money in doing it also.

Cindy Munford on December 17, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Murder is still a crime.

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Did you know there’s no law against bringing guns into k-12 Schools in Kansas? http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/map-gun-laws-2009-2012

Thanks tea party!

libfreeordie on December 17, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Did those tears flow from the apparent extra tear ducts at the outside corners of his eyes? Did he tenderly wipe them again with his middle finger?

quiz1 on December 17, 2012 at 9:56 AM

I believe so, then he did a shout out for a speedy recovery for Hugo Chavez – if the jerk isn’t dead yet.

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Cindy Munford on December 17, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Does that mean you are switching sides? For the money?

You mercenary.

cozmo on December 17, 2012 at 10:05 AM

libfreeordie on December 17, 2012 at 10:05 AM

I call BS. No self respecting college professor reads Mother Jones

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 10:06 AM

I blame atheists. They can’t be content to have their own beliefs, or lack there of, they have to squash all other expressions that don’t agree with them. They belittle and bully believers taking away the benefits of extra hope, grace and conscience they might exercise before doing something that they might regret.

Cindy Munford on December 17, 2012 at 9:58 AM

I don’t have a warm spot in my heart for atheists this morning. I heard more than a couple of them over the weekend arguing that God doesn’t exist because He would never had allowed the deaths of those children if He existed. It is as sick to use the deaths of twenty precious children to further an anti-God ideology. What is it to these atheists if the families of those slain find comfort in their faith? And yet they are out there taunting and demanding we all believe in their faith of non-belief.

God had nothing to do with those deaths- that was a visit by evil- but He was and is there in the aftermath of the consoleing, grieving, and ultimately healing.

Happy Nomad on December 17, 2012 at 10:06 AM

gwelf on December 17, 2012 at 9:25 AM

And a mass killing in China also. A land the left has been toting lately…

dogsoldier on December 17, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Did you know there’s no law against bringing guns into k-12 Schools in Kansas? http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/map-gun-laws-2009-2012

Thanks tea party!

libfreeordie on December 17, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Damn shame Connecticut doesn’t have the same law. Some law-abiding citizen with a firearm might have popped a cap in the monster’s head before he could have killed 20+ people.

ButterflyDragon on December 17, 2012 at 10:06 AM

If you refuse to address the mental health elephant in the room then there will be more people murdered.

Your choice.

Dave Rywall on December 17, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Frankly, I think many here would not mind having a discussion about the “mental health elephant”. The problem is that I do not think our more progressive bretheren would have the interest. It is too complex, it risks sounding politically incorrect and the mentally unhealthy do not vote. Granted gun owners vote but regulating guns is a simple concept in an emotionally charged environment such as this and gun owners probably don’t vote Democrat in significant numbers. I would actually like to see you take the issue on mental health to a liberal blog and see what feedback you get. You will probably get some willingness to discuss it after the libs get another round of gun control legislation they are so hot for. Kind of like Obama willing to discuss entitlement reform after he gets his tax hikes on (let’s face it) the middle class and above. What I mean is that after the libs get their gun control legislation there will not be much interest in discussing mental health. They might agree though to testing for mental health in the womb and aborting affected individuals or if they survive abortion putting them in a closet to fend for themselves for a couple of hours.

DaveDief on December 17, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Thanks tea party!

libfreeordie on December 17, 2012 at 10:05 AM

And the staff at some Texas schools can carry.

Colorado schools of higher education too, I think.

cozmo on December 17, 2012 at 10:07 AM

cozmo on December 17, 2012 at 10:05 AM

No, I can’t lie with a straight face.

Cindy Munford on December 17, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Huckabee doubles Down on blaming birth control and abortion and atheists and probably the gays for the shooting. Since CT is so liberal how is this it blaming The victim by proxy.

libfreeordie on December 17, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Huckabee is a good dude. He just doesn’t like eugenics.

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Dear leader is still searching for cogent thoughts. His speech contained randomly selected quotes from the scriptures, a little it takes a village to raise your child since you can’t do it on your own and a vague reference to doing something with his power to stop it if only we come together, which means the Rs block all the goodness he tries to do. Of course, we all want this kind of thing to not be repeated. Evil can’t be stopped by laws. The high school teachers Lanza had knew he needed mental health care and it didn’t happen. They should be our first line of defense after the parents.

Kissmygrits on December 17, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Did you know there’s no law against bringing guns into k-12 Schools in Kansas?

libfreeordie on December 17, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Did you know that there might not have been 27 people slain had CT didn’t have such prohibitions?

Thanks anti-Constitutionalists!

Happy Nomad on December 17, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Just because I want to start some crap, I blame atheists. They can’t be content to have their own beliefs, or lack there of, they have to squash all other expressions that don’t agree with them. They belittle and bully believers taking away the benefits of extra hope, grace and conscience they might exercise before doing something that they might regret.

Cindy Munford on December 17, 2012 at 9:58 AM

come on! It’s not AllahPundit’s fault :*(

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 10:09 AM

“Let me be clear… I will not rest until Newtown is every bit as safe as Democrat Chicago. Um. Oh wait, guys…. Sawyer, Williams, Ifill, Lehrer? Make sure that all edits out of the evening news faster than Hillary’s memory banks on Benghazi after, uh, bumping her head, mmmkay?

All right where was I?

Let me be clear… I will not rest until Newtown is every bit as safe as Democrat Washington, DC… Um… wait guys… edit that out too… got it? “

viking01 on December 17, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Did you know there’s no law against bringing guns into k-12 Schools in Kansas? http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/map-gun-laws-2009-2012

Thanks tea party!

libfreeordie on December 17, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Did you know liberal organizations sued state governments in the 60-70s to insure you could only be held in mental institution voluntarily? (Oh, that’s right you didn’t judging by your stupid and ignorant comment about Raegan earlier)

Huckabee doubles Down on blaming birth control and abortion and atheists and probably the gays for the shooting. Since CT is so liberal how is this it blaming The victim by proxy.

libfreeordie on December 17, 2012 at 10:02 AM

And probably the gays? Geez, you can’t even get through an hour without trying to revise history. The article didn’t say anything about gays Captian Hyperbole.

PS, “you” were just saying Donks were leading the way talking about the culture that insites this. Which way do you want it, Teach. Can’t have both.

Pathetic idiot.

hawkdriver on December 17, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Happy Nomad on December 17, 2012 at 10:06 AM

But I bet if you asked them, they see nothing wrong with announcing that their view is the only view, the truth.

Cindy Munford on December 17, 2012 at 10:11 AM

To facist libs “mental health care” reform = declaring anyone who wants to own anything more than one single shot bolt action rifle a mentally unbalanced danger to society who must be closely watched by government mental health officials and possibly sent to a re-education camp, especially if they exhibit any tendency to have right-of-center thoughts.

In the good old days in the Soviet Union mental health professionals regularly detected mentally illness by looking out for thought crime symptoms. They enlisted their fellow comrade citizens in this glorious effort to protect and improve society, encouraging them to keep a watchful eye out and report anything suspicious to the authorities.

farsighted on December 17, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Did you know there’s no law against bringing guns into k-12 Schools in Kansas? http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/map-gun-laws-2009-2012

Thanks tea party!

libfreeordie on December 17, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Actually it says “permit holders” are allowed to do so, and I’m thinking that Kansas doesn’t dispense permits through vending machines.

For a perfesser you seem oddly unable to discern simple sentences.

Bishop on December 17, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Did you know there’s no law against bringing guns into k-12 Schools in Kansas?

libfreeordie on December 17, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Kindergarten? Really? Someone caught you trying to cop a feel again?

viking01 on December 17, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Time to start profiling white male gun owners.

lostmotherland on December 17, 2012 at 8:13 AM

Yeah, that should significantly curtail most of the gun violence in all of our major cities across the United States. Once we start profiling white male gun owners, the reign of terror of the Crips, Bloods, Latin Kings and the like will be O-V-E-R

/s

Pale Rider on December 17, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Chris Matthews says the media is too biased in favor of the right wing. He based that on Mitt’s binder comment. He forgot to mention Obama only got into the Ivy League through being in a binder full of Kenyans.

I know that’s OT but it’s pretty funny

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Another day in gun-sodden America:

Two Police Officers Shot And Killed In Kansas…

3-Year-Old Accidentally Shoots Himself, Dies…

Gunman At Large After Shooting Victim 4 Times…

Man Shoots Wife, Keeps Cops In Standoff For Hours…

One Person Shot In San Antonio, Gunman Later Shot By Cops…

Woman Shot At Campground…

Woman Shot To Death, Son ‘Thought She Was Sleeping’. . .

Make owning guns socially unacceptable. Stigmatize and isolate gun owners. Post their names in public so the rest of us can avoid them and their dangerous habit.

lostmotherland on December 17, 2012 at 10:16 AM

For a perfesser you seem oddly unable to discern simple sentences.

Bishop on December 17, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Heck, that nutball has a hard time discerning anything.

cozmo on December 17, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Make owning guns socially unacceptable. Stigmatize and isolate gun owners. Post their names in public so the rest of us can avoid them and their dangerous habit.

lostmotherland on December 17, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Please post mine. Where the criminals can see it.

hawkdriver on December 17, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Bishop on December 17, 2012 at 10:13 AM

no! you’re wrong. Kansas decided chocolate mild was unhealthy, so they replaced it in the vending machines with 44 Glocks.

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 10:09 AM

LOL! I put AP in the agnostic category, I don’t care what he says. Obvious I don’t believe that it is the fault of atheists, I blame that poor sick tormented kid. What kind of hell goes on daily in the mind of someone who would do that? As a world, we should do as much to find relief for the sufferers of mental illness that we did for the folks with AIDS. When you think about it, once that illness came to the public attention, remarkable progress was made. We may not be able to cure but manage, and it should be goal, not a sound bite.

Cindy Munford on December 17, 2012 at 10:17 AM

The hypocrisy of the self-righteous buffoon in the WH is intolerable to me.

Lining up the photos of Loughner, Holmes, and Lanza is demonstrable evidence that something was/is wrong with their mental health.

Below are some suggestions to address the root of the problem.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/335767/five-point-action-plan-president-obama-reduce-violence-mentally-ill-d-j-jaffe#more

onlineanalyst on December 17, 2012 at 10:18 AM

If I hear one more phony politician say ‘it’s time for a national conversation about guns’, I’m going to spit. How trite and vacuous can it get.

We’ve already had that conversation, and it’s been settled over and over again, recently by District of Columbia v. Heller.

The Second Amendment means what it says. Get used to it.

petefrt on December 17, 2012 at 10:18 AM

lostmotherland on December 17, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Knock your socks off.

Cindy Munford on December 17, 2012 at 10:18 AM

lostmotherland on December 17, 2012 at 10:16 AM

How many gun-related deaths in gun-free Chicago over the weekend?

Happy Nomad on December 17, 2012 at 10:18 AM

lostmotherland on December 17, 2012 at 10:16 AM

You don’t like American freedom and liberty very much, do you?

kingsjester on December 17, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Another day in gun-sodden AmericaMexico:

Holder and Obama kill another 300 or so Mexicans

lostmotherland on December 17, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Slade73 on December 17, 2012 at 10:19 AM

petefrt on December 17, 2012 at 10:18 AM

I bet a Nexus Lexus search on how little we talk about gun control would be edifying, to even the harshest critic.

Cindy Munford on December 17, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Make owning guns socially unacceptable. Stigmatize and isolate gun owners. Post their names in public so the rest of us can avoid them and their dangerous habit.

lostmotherland on December 17, 2012 at 10:16 AM

I agree!

Heck, I would go as far as having gun owners wear a patch. Something like:

Be aware, this individual may be armed and can blow your sorry ass away if you try anything.

cozmo on December 17, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Did you know there’s no law against bringing guns into k-12 Schools in Kansas?

libfreeordie on December 17, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Did you know that the law which was passed allows CONCEALED CARRY in K-12 schools? Not OPEN CARRY? Concealed carry requires a permit, here is the permit that must be completed:

http://www.sedgwickcounty.org/sheriff/cch_application.pdf

“I understand that a state and national criminal history records check will be conducted and may include access to
expunged records, and that other investigations may be conducted to determine my eligibility for a concealed carry
handgun license.”

Yeah…it’s not quite the wild west scenario you make it out to be, you ignoramous.

Pale Rider on December 17, 2012 at 10:20 AM

lostmotherland on December 17, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Good luck with that. As I said earlier, I’ll have Roy meet you at the gate. He has my name.

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 10:20 AM

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