Spokesman: Rubio supports comprehensive study of gun laws to prevent more mass shootings

posted at 7:31 pm on December 17, 2012 by Allahpundit

Think the frontrunner for the 2016 Republican nomination is going to get crosswise with the NRA by voting for new gun regs? Me neither.

The challenge for Rubio’s communications team: Craft a statement that screams “reasonable!” for the benefit of national swing voters while committing to nothing beyond respectful consideration. Here’s what they came up with.

“In the aftermath of the unspeakable tragedy in Newtown, Sen. Rubio, like millions of Americans, is looking for public policy changes that would prevent such a horrible event from happening again,” spokesman Alex Conant said. “He remains a strong supporter of the Second Amendment right to safely and responsibly bear arms. But he has also always been open to measures that would keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill. The challenge with gun laws is that by definition criminals do not follow the law. For example, Connecticut’s gun laws, some of the strictest in the nation, were not able to prevent this atrocity. Nevertheless, he supports a serious and comprehensive study of our laws to find new and better ways to prevent any more mass shootings.”

So, to sum up, he’s against criminals and lunatics possessing weapons and wants to do more to prevent lethal rampages. Reasonable! He also has an A rating from Gun Owners of America and a B+ from the NRA, which is an interesting story. Until 2006 he had an A from them too; then, after he became speaker of the state legislature, he voted for an NRA-backed bill to permit gun owners to bring their weapons to workplace parking lots. But because the bill was blocked on its first try by the Florida Chamber of Commerce and eventually was passed with compromise language, the NRA concluded that he hadn’t done enough as speaker to advance its agenda. The result was a new grade of B+, which sounds relatively high but in fact is relatively low by Senate Republican standards. According to WaPo’s spreadsheet, the only GOPers with a worse grade are Susan Collins, Dan Coats, and Mark Kirk; meanwhile, fully ten Democrats have a higher rating than B+, which tells you what Obama’s up against in trying to get a bill passed here.

A man with a B+ from the NRA will be eager to impress conservative primary voters with his commitment to the cause so I’m trying to imagine a bill that Reid could bring up which might conceivably earn Rubio’s vote. Maybe, given what the statement says about keeping guns out of the hands of the wrong people, he’d support extending background checks to private gun sales? As recently as two years ago, his spokesman confirmed that he supports “reasonable restrictions” like background checks and waiting periods. But for Rubio to vote yes, Reid would likely have to float it as a separate bill; if he jammed it into some sort of omnibus gun control package, Rubio will obviously vote no on grounds that it goes too far. In fact, that’d be the optimal outcome for him. He’d get to give a floor speech alluding to “some good ideas” in the Democratic bill (reasonable!) before explaining why he must, alas, vote no to protect the rights of gun owners. And why not? A bill requiring background checks for private sales would have nothing to do with Sandy Hook. After all, Lanza didn’t get his guns that way. Whatever the Democrats propose is all but guaranteed to be disconnected from the actual facts of the horror that inspired the policy chatter this weekend, right down to the fact that mass shootings are not, in fact, becoming more frequent in the U.S., so if your top priority is addressing what happened in Newtown, you might as well vote no. The only measure related to Lanza’s M.O. that might come up is a ban on high-capacity magazines, and that may not be something Rubio goes for. His thinking on this subject seems, quite correctly, to focus on better screening of gun owners, not tinkering with the weapons themselves. The question is, if Reid floats a ban on high-capacity magazines and nothing more, would that be a “small” enough incursion that some Republicans (if not Rubio) would feel politically safe voting for it?


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Wouldn’t Rubio’s “comprehensive study” find the same thing, if this is true? Why would you object to merely studying, if you are so certain of the truth?

ernesto on December 17, 2012 at 8:12 PM

I say study away. But, I mean real scientific and statistical inquiry. Not fake leftist inquiry or “study” that starts with a conclusion and searches for select data that it can twist to fit that conclusion.

besser tot als rot on December 17, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Every polititian who wants to be elected has to give lip service to…”We can’t allow incompetent, mentally ill, people to have guns”…You guys should understand how this works.

If Rubio say, no changes, the hounds would force him out of office because you guys complain about “squish” but won’t support him when he needs it, and he knows it.

So they give lip service to the people with the real power, and you guys who just blabber have no leverage, so you take it…

You sure showed the liberals the last election how powerful you are…

right2bright on December 17, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Like everyone else I was sickened by he events over the last month but damn it the politicians have lost their minds jumping on the gun control issue.

F15Mech on December 17, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Carrion-consuming-vultures, one and all.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 8:15 PM

You sure showed the liberals the last election how powerful you are…

right2bright on December 17, 2012 at 8:15 PM

…or the land saw how spineless and devoid the other guy and the party are.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 8:17 PM

The Federal Government Study: The source of so much crap in our nation.

Bishop on December 17, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Rubio will betray on amnesty and on gun control.

sharrukin on December 17, 2012 at 8:00 PM

And many other issues to pander to the media.

bw222 on December 17, 2012 at 8:12 PM

When they give away the shop before even meeting the enemy you know they won’t hold firm on anything. We have seen this same nonsense time and time again.

sharrukin on December 17, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Just got an email from axlecreap. Yea, barkys interested in a “study”.
He (axlerod) restated the “everything within the potus’s power” line again. Expect EO’s for Christmas. Holders cooking them up now.

wolly4321 on December 17, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Wasting dough for what is already known, hard earned dough, stolen from the taxpayers.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 8:13 PM

It is true that this has already been done. But, nobody on the left knows about it, so maybe he can repackage it or something? Use it as an opportunity to expose the greater public to the truth that the statists and their worshipers in the press work diligently to bury.

besser tot als rot on December 17, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Of course we should “study” how to — within the confines of the Second Amendment — keep guns out of the hands of lunatic madmen bent on killing dozens of schoolchildren. If agreeing with that is enough to DQ him for the Republican nomination, then we do have some issues internally that need to be looked at.

Progressive Heretic on December 17, 2012 at 8:20 PM

So they give lip service to the people with the real power, and you guys who just blabber have no leverage, so you take it…

You sure showed the liberals the last election how powerful you are…

right2bright on December 17, 2012 at 8:15 PM

You ran a spineless jellyfish who gave all that lip service and he still lost. Now Boehner if giving Obama some ‘lip service’ even now.

We are sick of it.

sharrukin on December 17, 2012 at 8:21 PM

GOP’s America is pretty much dead.

ddrintn on December 17, 2012 at 7:43 PM

FIFY.

Myron Falwell on December 17, 2012 at 8:22 PM

This is lip service….I’m not a gun person but support the right..

People kill not guns..cliche’…but true

Redford on December 17, 2012 at 8:23 PM

I’ll pose to you the same question I posed to Pork-Chop. If even mentioning some sort of inquiry into American gun deaths illicits this reaction, is there anyone, any institution, any field of science, you actually trust?

ernesto on December 17, 2012 at 7:49 PM

“Illicit” does not equal elicit. It does, however, serve as an appropriate modifier for so many of the sentence subjects nominative of your ideas.

M240H on December 17, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Studies show that most people who kill eat ate at least one meal on the day they commited their crime. I therefore think Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner should be outlawed.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on December 17, 2012 at 8:25 PM

besser tot als rot on December 17, 2012 at 8:14 PM

I see a conservative proposing a comprehensive study. If that strikes conservatives as highly suspicious – that some liberal plot lies behind this conservative Senator’s words – who will you trust?

ernesto on December 17, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Send the mentals to Gitmo and let them have fun playing no rules football with the Jihads….problem solved.

hillsoftx on December 17, 2012 at 8:25 PM

So they give lip service to the people with the real power, and you guys who just blabber have no leverage, so you take it…

You sure showed the liberals the last election how powerful you are…

right2bright on December 17, 2012 at 8:15 PM

You ran a spineless jellyfish who gave all that lip service and he still lost. Now Boehner if giving Obama some ‘lip service’ even now.

We are sick of it.

sharrukin on December 17, 2012 at 8:21 PM

I’m waiting for the headline that screams, “Speaker BOHICA has officially re-registered as a liberal Democrat.”

If Mitt was Millard Fillmore, BOHICA is Franklin Pierce.

Myron Falwell on December 17, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Bill Bennett announced yesterday on Meet The Press that if the President forms any kind of Commission to wring their hands study what to do about guns/mental health/negative cultural influences and whatever, he would like to be a member of said Commission. Now just add Chris Farley Christie and Frosty the Snowman for awesome comedic optics!

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on December 17, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Wouldn’t Rubio’s “comprehensive study” find the same thing, if this is true? Why would you object to merely studying, if you are so certain of the truth?

ernesto on December 17, 2012 at 8:12 PM

The data is from the government. We’ve already paid for it. I don’t think that we need to pay to study it again. The brokest nation in the history of mankind has to be more responsible with its money.

We have more than 20,000 gun laws on the books now. The murder rate is at a historic low even though gun ownership and CCW are at historic highs.

Loughner, Cho, Holmes, Kleibold, Harris, Lanza and on and on. The same thing was said after each went on his rampage and, no, I am not referring to the predictable chorus of Absolute Shalls bewailing the fact that Americans have a right to bear arms. No, I am referring to the fact that, after each one, the people that knew them said, “I feel bad for the victims, but I’m not surprised. The dude was a mental case. Always has been.” If Congress and others are serious about trying to prevent future rampage killings and want to demonstrate it to skeptics like me, then they will start with the root causes, especially how we deal with mentally ill people, who are dangers to society.

“Curiously, during the period before deinstitutionalization, the mentally ill seem to have been less likely to be arrested for serious crimes than the general population.”

“Studies in New York and Connecticut from the 1920s through the 1940s showed a much lower arrest rate for the mentally ill. In an era when involuntary commitment was relatively easy, those who were considered a danger to themselves or others would be hospitalized at the first signs of serious mental illness. The connection between insanity and crime was apparent, and the society took a precautionary approach. Mentally ill persons who were not hospitalized were those not considered a danger to others. This changed as deinstitutionalization took effect.”

From “Madness, Deinstitutionalization & Murder,” by Clayton Cramer.

According to one of Adam Lanza’s old babysitters, his mum told him “to never turn his back on the child, not even to go to the bathroom.” Furthermore, Adam was flagged by school security in his freshman year and a school psychologist was assigned to him full time.

This did NOT come out of the blue and NO gun control law would have prevented it.

Resist We Much on December 17, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Amnesty, Gun Control? By the end of the week he will be sponsoring a gay married bill and opening 300 new abortion clinics. We don’t need democrats, we have Rubio.

Alabama Infidel on December 17, 2012 at 8:30 PM

… If that strikes conservatives as highly suspicious –that some liberal plot lies behind this conservative Senator’s words – who will you trust?

ernesto on December 17, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Herr Glock.

M240H on December 17, 2012 at 8:31 PM

RWM – congratulations on your prescience about T. Scott.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Thx. I was off by 4 years, but then I thought that DeMint would finish out his term.

Scott was my “Most Likely to Succeed” from the House Class of 2010.

Resist We Much on December 17, 2012 at 8:32 PM

I see a conservative proposing a comprehensive study. If that strikes conservatives as highly suspicious – that some liberal plot lies behind this conservative Senator’s words – who will you trust?

ernesto on December 17, 2012 at 8:25 PM

It is foolishness to trust a study conducted by someone motivated by politics. Who will I trust? Me, looking at the raw data and controls.

besser tot als rot on December 17, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Put mental patients in mental hospitals. Problem fixed.

TX-96 on December 17, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Yep. Most of Congress should be isolated from the people who elected them.

Smaller government because they’re out of the way.

I’m sure there is enough room in Idaho, South Dakota or any state that will accept them.

Problem solved. ;)

Oh, and they don’t receive benefits. O’Care for all of them.

Cody1991 on December 17, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Expect EO’s for Christmas. Holders cooking them up now.

wolly4321 on December 17, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Yep, coming any day now.

petefrt on December 17, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Studies show that most people who kill eat ate at least one meal on the day they commited their crime. I therefore think Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner should be outlawed.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on December 17, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Other than input bias, the major problem is most studies are the absolutely abysmal controls used.

besser tot als rot on December 17, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Like someone with a handle like M240H would know anything about guns.
/!/

wolly4321 on December 17, 2012 at 8:37 PM

I’m waiting for the headline that screams, “Speaker BOHICA has officially re-registered as a liberal Democrat.”

Myron Falwell on December 17, 2012 at 8:26 PM

You laugh now, but wait six months for the ‘Unity Government’. /sarcasm I hope

sharrukin on December 17, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Here is a study: Instead of forcing teachers to run toward shooters unarmed, let teachers with CCW permits carry on school property. Let them have a shotgun locked in the office. Stop making soft targets even softer. This is a failure of liberal ideology. These lunatics don’t seem to be crazy enough to run into areas known to be able to shoot back. This school was a fortress. The guy had to take the time to break in. But in the process of breaking in, the victims could only throw their bodies at the shooter. I am sure that the principle would have preferred the option of having a shotgun when running toward him. But no, the left would rather not acknowledge that real evil exists. They want to inject themselves as the solution and make yet another law the criminal will ignore rather than give the power back to the people. Why do they care about the gun violence here and not in Chicago, DC, or NY? Because they already have their dogma in force there. They don’t care that it doesn’t work and they don’t want to acknowledge that it doesn’t work. And the worse school massacre in the US happened in 1927 and used bombs. The guy planned it for a year. You can’t pretend you live in utopia like a naive twit and force everyone else to pretend as well. You need to either be willing to go on offense against a lunatic or allow others to be able to take on that responsibility.

MechanicalBill on December 17, 2012 at 8:39 PM

The fact that the premise that “gun laws need to be studied” is accepted is disturbing to me. Gun laws weren’t the problem in this shooting. A mentally unstable man was the problem whether he used a gun, knife, bomb,etc., he needs to be locked up, removed from harming others.

Charm on December 17, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Anyone else wants that fake Latino as President? Me neither.

Archivarix on December 17, 2012 at 8:44 PM

In the 1927 incident the gubmint had siezed the guys property to build the school he blew up.

Let’s ban emminate domain.

wolly4321 on December 17, 2012 at 8:44 PM

ernesto on December 17, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Elicit, not illicit, brainiac.

alwaysfiredup on December 17, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Rubio supports comprehensive study of gun laws to prevent more mass shootings

Huh. And all this time, I thought there were laws against mass murder.

Well, let’s get right on that…and pass a very stern law against mass murder shootings. That’ll stop that sort of thing.

I really thought there already was one, though. Ah, well.

Solaratov on December 17, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Are there any real conservatives left in the GOP-I am so sick of these frauds kissing leftist butt any chance they get.Well good luck getting us to ever vote for you cowardly slimebuckets ever again!

redware on December 17, 2012 at 8:49 PM

wolly4321 on December 17, 2012 at 8:37 PM

UH-60M

M240H on December 17, 2012 at 8:50 PM

You can’t pretend you live in utopia like a naive twit and force everyone else to pretend as well.

MechanicalBill on December 17, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Yes you can! You just need Secret Service to protect your hide as you do.

Archivarix on December 17, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Expect EO’s for Christmas. Holders cooking them up now.

wolly4321 on December 17, 2012 at 8:20 PM

My apologies to Rodgers and Hammerstein…

We’re Gonna Brainwash Those 2nd Amendment Rights Right Outta Your Head

Resist We Much on December 17, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Not only is the AR15 not a military weapon, its an ARMS commonly in use by sporting users. DC v HELLER banned, banning guns.

On the Meaning of “Arms”

“The 18th-century meaning is no different from the meaning today. . . . The term was applied, then as now, to weapons that were not specifically designed for military use and were not employed in a military capacity. . . . Just as the First Amendment protects modern forms of communications and the Fourth Amendment applies to modern forms of search, the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding.”

On Restrictions Permissible Under the Second Amendment

“[N]othing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms. Miller said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those ‘in common use at the time.’ We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of ‘dangerous and unusual weapons.’

TX-96 on December 17, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Jeb Bush’s illegitimate son.

So much for Rubio…just another Republican Party Plant.

Rubio in Name Only.

trs on December 17, 2012 at 9:11 PM

RWM,, yep. F&F didn’t work out, so now there’s this. Even better this time the parade of victims as backdrops are American children. Same purpose, though. Same endgame. Same method. Use victims.

Create sympathy to obtain power.

The poor children of violence. The poor uninsured. The poor (insert here). If we just had more power we could fix these woes.

wolly4321 on December 17, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Hey, where did ernie go? Kind of rude for him to just leave like that.:)

a capella on December 17, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Rubio would be a disaster, and he’s charismatic primarily to political junkies and/or bloggers.

ddrintn on December 17, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Good Lord, ain’t that the truth. He’s the perfect Mike Murphy professional politician: a well-spoken, squishy centrist. I really think their purpose on earth is to avoid offending “intellectuals.”

Dongemaharu on December 17, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Their purpose is more to keep conservatives and conservatism locked in the cellar, to be trotted out only at election time. Too many people are wise to that crap now.

ddrintn on December 17, 2012 at 9:30 PM

nstead of forcing teachers to run toward shooters unarmed, let teachers with CCW permits carry on school property.

Such sudden concern for AFT union “thugs.” What a difference 26 bodies make.

lostmotherland on December 17, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Their purpose is more to keep conservatives and conservatism locked in the cellar, to be trotted out only at election time. Too many people are wise to that crap now.

ddrintn

And come election time, you trot away. Every time. How’s President Romney working out for you?

lostmotherland on December 17, 2012 at 9:36 PM

What a difference 26 bodies make.

lostmotherland on December 17, 2012 at 9:35 PM

I am sure it means nothing to you but a political opportunity to score some points.

To conservatives however, it means that once again the leftist policies of disarming the citizenry has taken more of its bloody toll.

sharrukin on December 17, 2012 at 9:38 PM

What a difference 26 bodies make.

lostmotherland on December 17, 2012 at 9:35 PM

That’s about two weekends worth in Chicago. Interesting that the libs don’t care when black kids are getting shot. Why haven’t they been this upset before the CT shootings? Is it a racial thing?

a capella on December 17, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Such sudden concern for AFT union “thugs.” What a difference 26 bodies make.

lostmotherland on December 17, 2012 at 9:35 PM

You certainly are proud to be a useful idiot. But I would even want you to be able to defend yourself from a violent attacker.

MechanicalBill on December 17, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Such sudden concern for AFT union “thugs.” What a difference 26 bodies make.

lostmotherland on December 17, 2012 at 9:35 PM

And yet, you and your sort would keep them unarmed, unprotected and vulnerable.

Why do you hate teachers, lostmotherf****r?

For that matter, why do you hate children? I guess your sort just looks on the whole incident as a sort of “mass late-term abortion” – since that’s just fine with you.

Solaratov on December 17, 2012 at 9:44 PM

lostmotherland on December 17, 2012 at 9:35 PM

By the way, scumsucker, we have long been proponents of armed guards and/or armed teachers in schools for years. Long before Newtown, CT, was even available for you filth to try to exploit for political gain.

Try again. You failed this time.

F-

Solaratov on December 17, 2012 at 9:47 PM

And come election time, you trot away. Every time. How’s President Romney working out for you?

lostmotherland on December 17, 2012 at 9:36 PM

About as well as I expected.

Such sudden concern for AFT union “thugs.” What a difference 26 bodies make.

lostmotherland on December 17, 2012 at 9:35 PM

So by that reasoning you have the blood of an anti-abortion protester in Michigan and an Army recruiter in Arkansas on your hands. How’s it feel?

ddrintn on December 17, 2012 at 9:53 PM

I agree, but I don’t think we can afford to build enough mental hospitals to house every leftist idiot in the country.

bgibbs1000 on December 17, 2012 at 7:39 PM

We could start by putting them into the FEMA camps. They’re available………………

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/01/new_nationwide_fema_camps_should_raise_eyebrows.html

Solaratov on December 17, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Liberals love studies! And they love not listening to what the study comes to conclude.

amazingmets on December 17, 2012 at 7:48 PM

But…the preezy’s ‘Jobs Council”….oh. Wait…

well, how about preezy’s ‘Economic Advisory Board’ that said…oh. Wait…

Well, how about Fast & Furious? That was a….oh…wait…

Solaratov on December 17, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Are there any real conservatives left in the GOP-I am so sick of these frauds kissing leftist butt any chance they get.Well good luck getting us to ever vote for you cowardly slimebuckets ever again!

redware on December 17, 2012 at 8:49 PM

After losing DeMint, I can only count a handful:

Sen. Jeff Sessions – AL
Rep. Louis Gohmert – TX
Rep. Steve King – IA
And the 4 conservative reps who were kicked off of their committee assignments because they were too conservative and didn’t tow the line with Boner.

That’s all I can think of.

TxAnn56 on December 17, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Like I’ve said all along, Rubio is a joke, along with 98% of the rest of the GOP clowns. There are no others that are liberty minded, only those that every move they make is calculated for their political gain and upward movement. There was one that this wasn’t the case, Ron Paul (I know many will want to blast me for that but please refrain b/c it’s what I believe and it is irrelevant anyway.). I believe that we are so far gone now as a nation that the only thing left is to rebel.

air_up_there on December 17, 2012 at 10:12 PM

… If that strikes conservatives as highly suspicious –that some liberal plot lies behind this conservative Senator’s words – who will you trust?

ernesto on December 17, 2012 at 8:25 PM

…YOUR daily enema…ernesto !

KOOLAID2 on December 17, 2012 at 10:43 PM

If your boat overturns on a duck-hunting expedition and you report your guns as lost–or if they are stolen from your truck because you foolishly forgot to lock it–well, they’re not “your” guns any more.

On a completely unrelated note, if properly sealed and packed in cosmoline, firearms can be stored for decades, even under the ground.

Just sayin’, and not in any way because the GOP “leadership” looks inclined to sell the Second Amendment down the river.

MidniteRambler on December 17, 2012 at 10:43 PM

For all the morons

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 10:43 PM

That’s about two weekends worth in Chicago. Interesting that the libs don’t care when black kids are getting shot. Why haven’t they been this upset before the CT shootings? Is it a racial thing?

a capella on December 17, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Interesting website. You can browse by date, age, sex, cause, day of the week, community area, race, or locale.

Fallon on December 17, 2012 at 10:46 PM

“In the aftermath of the unspeakable tragedy in Newtown, Sen. Rubio, like millions of Americans, is looking for public policy changes that would prevent such a horrible event from happening again,” spokesman Alex Conant said. “He remains a strong supporter of the Second Amendment right to safely and responsibly bear arms. But he has also always been open to measures that would keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill. The challenge with gun laws is that by definition criminals do not follow the law. For example, Connecticut’s gun laws, some of the strictest in the nation, were not able to prevent this atrocity. Nevertheless, he supports a serious and comprehensive study of our laws to find new and better ways to prevent any more mass shootings.”

Well I agree with that and don’t see anything RINO with that. Some conservatives need to understand “political words” that basically say I am not going to do anything. The word “study” is one of them…

William Eaton on December 17, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Is this the champion of the Conservative cause? Oh, we are playing identity politics now, that’s all that counts. There was reason Romney didn’t pick him.

Oil Can on December 17, 2012 at 11:00 PM

I’m fine with him pandering on it. As we all know and he does as well, nothing will get done to restrict gun freedom. It’s a losing issue for gun control advocates. As long as he votes like we want him too, I’m 100 percent.

Flapjackmaka on December 17, 2012 at 11:10 PM

There was reason Romney didn’t pick him.

Oil Can on December 17, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Romney didnt pick him because an oil stain could outshine romney in a campaign

Flapjackmaka on December 17, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Meh, this statement isn’t a big deal. It won’t solve anything, and yes, it will be a waste of money, but it doesn’t deserve the outrage it’s getting from some here.

xblade on December 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Meh, this statement isn’t a big deal. It won’t solve anything, and yes, it will be a waste of money, but it doesn’t deserve the outrage it’s getting from some here.

xblade on December 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Exactly. There are so many idiots here. This is chess. Obama does this all the time and does great for the left. If Rubio can do this for us, it’s even better. Pander and say this stuff like you care and then dont do shit about it later. I cant believe how little people know about politics on this site

Flapjackmaka on December 17, 2012 at 11:23 PM

I’m fine with him pandering on it. As we all know and he does as well, nothing will get done to restrict gun freedom. It’s a losing issue for gun control advocates. As long as he votes like we want him too, I’m 100 percent.

Flapjackmaka on December 17, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Exactly. All that matters is how he votes on any subject. Every politician in American history did pandering. He can’t come out an say: “Hey listen you incompetent progressive nitwits, gun control laws don’t work. They should have allowed teachers or security at the school to be armed with assault rifles so they could have busted multiple caps in the insane lunatics head and sent him straight to hell on a shutter”.

I am sure that would make some of you feel better, but there are lots of women who don’t understand man talk and might not like it. It is like walking up to some woman you want to date and saying “sex me now”.

William Eaton on December 17, 2012 at 11:25 PM

The only measure related to Lanza’s M.O. that might come up is a ban on high-capacity magazines,

I laugh whenever this idea comes up. If high cap mags are banned, then won’t more people opt for larger caliber hand gun once ammo capacity is removed from the equation? A person is much more likely to survive a gun shot from a 9 mm than they are a .45.

HarryBackside on December 17, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Exactly. There are so many idiots here. This is chess. Obama does this all the time and does great for the left. If Rubio can do this for us, it’s even better. Pander and say this stuff like you care and then dont do shit about it later. I cant believe how little people know about politics on this site

Flapjackmaka on December 17, 2012 at 11:23 PM

To be fair, if a Republican tells you he’s going to sell you out, he usually does. The same is not true for Democrats.

besser tot als rot on December 17, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Another RINO folding like a pack of cards! Rubio just like the rest of the Republican spineless flakes. Where do conservatives go to find a party with some real backbone which supports the Constitution and BOR ?

Sandybourne on December 17, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Exactly. There are so many idiots here. This is chess. Obama does this all the time and does great for the left. If Rubio can do this for us, it’s even better. Pander and say this stuff like you care and then dont do shit about it later. I cant believe how little people know about politics on this site

Flapjackmaka on December 17, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Yep, he’s just “pandering” on amnesty and he won’t do shit about it. I wouldn’t bet a lot of money on that one.

Alabama Infidel on December 17, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Just say your going to ban guns and you got the democratic nomination sewn up in 16 Rub, I mean Rino.

Fett on December 17, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Yep, he’s just “pandering” on amnesty and he won’t do shit about it. I wouldn’t bet a lot of money on that one.

Alabama Infidel on December 17, 2012 at 11:34 PM

He isnt pandering on that because he has actually proposed legislation. You got your tells when stuff like this happens. You can tell by this statement, he wont be doing shit. If you want someone like Rand Paul who wont get elected than someone who can get elected and do conservative things while lying then you’re beyond insane

Flapjackmaka on December 17, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Rubio is a frontrunner for 2016? Really?

maineconservative on December 17, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Not one freaking inch of retreat from RKBA, not one freaking inch.

DaMav on December 17, 2012 at 11:58 PM

Rubio is a frontrunner for 2016? Really?

maineconservative on December 17, 2012 at 11:50 PM

…not for me!…not in ’20 or beyond either!

KOOLAID2 on December 18, 2012 at 12:00 AM

compare and contrast w/ what a true conservative has to say

chasdal on December 18, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Flapjackmaka on December 17, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Is English your second or third language?

bw222 on December 18, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Not a leader or a statesman.

A mere politician…

INC on December 18, 2012 at 12:10 AM

He just sealed his 2016 fate

The Notorious G.O.P on December 18, 2012 at 12:11 AM

Yep he is gone just like Romney. Romney lost was a big surprise to me. It seems the gun community hatred of him was too great to overcome.

jdun on December 18, 2012 at 12:14 AM

so it’s December 2012 and we’ve already ruled out Christie, Jindal, and Rubio for 2016

Got it

There’s really no reason to even go through the motions of a primary at this point, we’ll be left with Bachmann vs Santorum 2.0 and get about 30% of the vote against Hillary

thurman on December 18, 2012 at 12:15 AM

Is English your second or third language?

bw222 on December 18, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Cant read?

Flapjackmaka on December 18, 2012 at 12:18 AM

INC on December 18, 2012 at 12:10 AM

jdun on December 18, 2012 at 12:14 AM

The Notorious G.O.P on December 18, 2012 at 12:11 AM

Get a load of these guys

Flapjackmaka on December 18, 2012 at 12:19 AM

thurman on December 18, 2012 at 12:15 AM

Christie – weak on the 2nd Amendment, a fan of global warming, pro-amnesty, pro-Ground Zero Mosque, appoints someone with terrorist connections to a judicial post, attacks anyone who doesn’t want sharia as part of our nation’s laws, just about performs a “Monica Lewinsky” on Obama the week before the election and a typical New Jersey loudmouth. Please don’t tell me really consider him presidential material.

As for Jindal, I am very disappointed he attacked Romney by pandering to the media. Romney told the truth. Jindal does well in Louisiana but seems to fall apart on the national stage (remember his State of the Union rebuttal?). He may be like many great offensive and defensive coordinators (e.g. Norv Turner) who fail when the get the whole enchalada (sp?).

bw222 on December 18, 2012 at 12:28 AM

Cant read?

Flapjackmaka on December 18, 2012 at 12:18 AM

Can’t compose a literate paragraph?

bw222 on December 18, 2012 at 12:29 AM

Get a load of these guys

Flapjackmaka on December 18, 2012 at 12:19 AM

They make a lot more sense than you.

bw222 on December 18, 2012 at 12:31 AM

Ah, we don’t ever need to win the stinking White House ever again…everything’s just fine the way they are…Sean Hannity, John Boehner, Rush, etc. are proof positive you can consistently back losers and still do well for yourself.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 18, 2012 at 12:34 AM

As we all know and he does as well, nothing will get done to restrict gun freedom. It’s a losing issue for gun control advocates.
Flapjackmaka on December 17, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Yeah, and Obama will never get re-elected. Nor will Obamacare ever pass./S

I am not underestimating Obama or his minions or the stupid people who voted for him anymore. If need be, he will just sign an executive order banning ALL guns, because he knows what’s good for everyone.
And he is a dictator.

Sterling Holobyte on December 18, 2012 at 12:44 AM

To be fair, if a Republican tells you he’s going to sell you out, he usually does. The same is not true for Democrats.

besser tot als rot on December 17, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Yep.

Why would a conservative even be caught saying this in the first place? Oh, I guess it’s long-game, three dimensional chess with a death star on top.

The challenge for Rubio’s communications team: Craft a statement that screams “reasonable!” for the benefit of national swing voters while committing to nothing beyond respectful consideration.

What challenge? Be conservative, articulate and honest. That way you don’t need to “craft a statement”(i.e. deceive people) or other forms of douchebag political trickery.

Dongemaharu on December 18, 2012 at 12:59 AM

Maybe Rubio will study the issue and find that guns aren’t the problem, and that the last assault weapons ban didn’t do anything useful, and that gun free zones seem to get the vast majority of crazy gun-toting killers.

hawksruleva on December 18, 2012 at 2:12 AM

What challenge? Be conservative, articulate and honest. That way you don’t need to “craft a statement”(i.e. deceive people) or other forms of douchebag political trickery.

Dongemaharu on December 18, 2012 at 12:59 AM

That naive belief that sincerity equals persuasiveness is why 2 GOP Senate candidates ended up costing Republicans the White House in 2012.

Even if you’re being honest, you need to craft a statement that convinces people that you’re right.

hawksruleva on December 18, 2012 at 2:14 AM

Even if you’re being honest, you need to craft a statement that convinces people that you’re right.

hawksruleva on December 18, 2012 at 2:14 AM

That’s where the word “articulate” comes in. I saw enough “crafting” by Romney the last election. “Crafting” implies being all things to all people. Yeah, being slick and crafty has helped the GOP how? People like you are going to nuance the Republicans into oblivion.

Dongemaharu on December 18, 2012 at 2:27 AM

On a completely unrelated note, if properly sealed and packed in cosmoline, firearms can be stored for decades, even under the ground.

MidniteRambler on December 17, 2012 at 10:43 PM

They don’t do any good buried underground. If it comes to that, use them or lose them.

FloatingRock on December 18, 2012 at 2:34 AM

The Great Republican Hope! “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing.”

HerneTheHunter on December 18, 2012 at 4:07 AM

RINO.

Watch the stampede to sell out the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens.

pdigaudio on December 18, 2012 at 6:07 AM

I’ll pose to you the same question I posed to Pork-Chop. If even mentioning some sort of inquiry into American gun deaths illicits this reaction, is there anyone, any institution, any field of science, you actually trust?

ernesto on December 17, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Just what inquiry would be done that has not been done….

…over and over and over?

Show me a scientist that operates outside of the orbit of the government and I will trust him/her as the veracity of their peer reviewed research/conclusions suggest.

Peddle your “party of science” crap elsewhere, huh? The only science your types are interested in are those that support your pre-made, pre-bundled, emotion-based conclusions.

You know, the Nazis trusted science implicitly. That….didn’t really work out all that well.

Jews, Gypsies and all that. Kinda messy, Sparky.

Kinda messy.

98ZJUSMC on December 18, 2012 at 7:01 AM

The challenge for Rubio’s communications team: Craft a statement that screams “reasonable!” for the benefit of national swing voters while committing to nothing beyond respectful consideration. Here’s what they came up with.

Swing voters…

Rubio’s communications team has a bigger challenge. Pander to the middle without alienating people who actually would vote for him. His less than wholehearted defense of the Constitution along with his clear advocacy for amnesty will be hard for devoted conservates to swallow.

Happy Nomad on December 17, 2012 at 7:39 PM

I agree with you there, Happy Nomad. Rubio being touted as “the likely GOP nominee in 2016″ is becoming increasingly offensive given Rubio’s ongoing revelations in his “statements”.

Lourdes on December 18, 2012 at 7:06 AM

Why doesn’t he just change his name to Bush, and be done with it.

DFCtomm on December 18, 2012 at 7:12 AM

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