Report: Fiscal cliff deal emerging — including one-year debt-ceiling increase; Update: Obama concedes on new, higher income threshold for tax hikes
posted at 5:51 pm on December 17, 2012 by Allahpundit
I didn’t believe this when I saw it at WaPo yesterday, then I started to wonder when I read Ed’s post this morning, and now Ezra Klein claims Democrats are telling him the same thing. I thought the GOP’s big Plan B alternative to a grand bargain was to extend the Bush tax cuts for the middle class, let them lapse for the rich, and then go home so that they can fight another day when it’s time to raise the debt ceiling again in the spring. The automatic tax hikes on January 1 have deprived them of leverage in this negotiation, but they’ll have more once that’s over with and the debt ceiling is all that’s left on the table.
Change of plans: Now the GOP’s going to agree to raise the ceiling for another year, right up front. Wait, what?
Boehner offered to let tax rates rise for income over $1 million. The White House wanted to let tax rates rise for income over $250,000. The compromise will likely be somewhere in between. More revenue will come from limiting deductions, likely using some variant of the White House’s oft-proposed, oft-rejected idea for limiting itemized deductions to 28 percent. The total revenue raised by the two policies will likely be a bit north of $1 trillion. Congress will get instructions to use this new baseline to embark on tax reform next year. Importantly, if tax reform never happens, the revenue will already be locked in.
On the spending side, the Democrats’ headline concession will be accepting chained-CPI, which is to say, accepting a cut to Social Security benefits. Beyond that, the negotiators will agree to targets for spending cuts. Expect the final number here, too, to be in the neighborhood of $1 trillion, but also expect it to lack many specifics. Whether the cuts come from Medicare or Medicaid, whether they include raising the Medicare age, and many of the other contentious issues in the talks will be left up to Congress…
As for the debt ceiling, that will likely be lifted for a year, at least. In contrast to a week or so ago, when the White House was very intent on finishing the debt ceiling fight now, they’re sounding considerably less committed to securing a long-term increase in these negotiations. The argument winning converts, I’m told, is that since the White House won’t negotiate on the debt ceiling now and won’t negotiate on it later, there’s little reason to make it the sine qua non of a deal.
So in exchange for a tweak to Social Security’s benefit formula, Boehner’s agreeing to tax hikes on the rich and limits on deductions and a mere promise of future spending cuts and a debt-ceiling increase that would formally abandon the live-to-fight-another-day strategy? Note the “at least” part, too. Matt Yglesias is entirely right about this:
Punting 12 months on the debt ceiling so it comes in the middle of a congressional campaign seems like a recipe for disaster.
— Matt Yglesias (@mattyglesias) December 17, 2012
If you’re a House Republican, you’re much more apt to drive a hard bargain next spring than you are in early 2014, when election day will be less than a year away. In fact, if the economy starts to pick up and revenue increases next year, then the next debt-ceiling might be delayed by months — which could mean a showdown right before the midterms. No Republican facing reelection in a purplish district will go to the mat under those circumstances and Boehner knows it, so I assume the one-year deal will quickly become a two-year deal. Will, er, House conservatives — who are already irritated at Boehner’s offer on tax hikes — go along with that? Or is Boehner now prepared to write them off and govern with a coalition of Democrats plus a small group of moderate Republicans? If I’m Pelosi and JB comes back to the House with the sort of deal described above, I’d instruct my troops to vote no (at least on the first pass) just to watch Boehner be humiliated as waves of conservatives vote no too and the bill fails.
But maybe this is just a trial balloon. Here’s what his spokesman said about raising the debt ceiling:
Boehner’s offer signals that he expects a big deal with sufficient savings to meet his demand that any debt limit increase be paired dollar for dollar with spending cuts. That would permit him to keep a key vow to his party — and head off a potentially nasty debt-limit fight — at least until the end of next year.
“Our position has not changed,” Boehner spokesman Michael Steel said Sunday. “Any debt limit increase would require cuts and reforms of a greater amount.”
A Boehner aide told CNN the same thing — no debt-ceiling hike without an equivalent amount of cuts. Now that they’ve drawn that line publicly, they can’t cave without Boehner losing whatever remaining credibility he has with the House. So maybe this is just a tactic to pressure Obama on cuts by wringing a little positive PR from the negotiations for the GOP, with Boehner angling to come off as the responsible, compromise-minded side of the table who’s willing to give O what he wants in exchange for a little fiscal responsibility in return. If I were Obama, though, I’d call his bluff. Given how the polling worked out for the GOP after the last debt-ceiling standoff, Boehner will have tremendous difficulty holding the caucus together if/when there’s a new standoff in the spring. Why would O give him the cuts he wants now when he could try to split the House by forcing another debt-ceiling showdown a few months from now?
Update: I wonder what this concession bought from Boehner:
President Barack Obama has proposed a deficit-reduction package to House Speaker John Boehner (BAY’-nur) that would increase the top tax rates on taxpayers earning more than $400,000, cut more spending from health care programs and add $200 billion more in spending cuts over 10 years to his earlier offer.
Boehner had proposed an earnings threshold of $1 million for higher rates. Obama dropped his demand that individuals making more than $200,000 pay higher rates.
A higher threshold for the top bracket means less revenue raised once the new rate goes into effect, which in turn means less deficit reduction. But the tax part about this has never been about deficit reduction. If Obama cared about that, he’d have a serious entitlement reform plan on the table. This is about “fairness,” in all its arbitrary glory. The new threshold for what’s “fair”: More taxes from people who makes $400,000 or more.
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I hate that picture. Can’t we find one with horns and a pitchfork.
BeachBum on May 17, 2013 at 8:43 PM
In charge of everything, responsible for nothing.
Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 8:45 PM
This work,Beach dude?
bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 8:46 PM
Well he always was a dim-wit.
GarandFan on May 17, 2013 at 8:46 PM
The buck stops here.
- Harry Truman
I’m shocked, shocked to learn that partisanship is going on at the IRS.
- Barack Obama
aunursa on May 17, 2013 at 8:48 PM
Bish + 7
Jackalope on May 17, 2013 at 8:49 PM
The dude is just a stone-cold azshole, no need to dig further into his psyche.
Bishop on May 17, 2013 at 8:49 PM
At no point did the Obama Administration have any idea what the Obama Administration was doing…
/Carney
Jackalope on May 17, 2013 at 8:50 PM
More Obama going against our allies…Nigerian Forces are attacking the evil Boko Harem jihadist group and what does John Kerry, henchman of Obama, have to say?
http://news.yahoo.com/nigerian-forces-bomb-islamist-camps-110910162.html
sadsushi on May 17, 2013 at 8:50 PM
It is time to eliminate the IRS altogether. Go to a consumption tax to get the black market revenue. Even pimps and drug dealers would pay tax if you paid it at purchase time.
But it will never happen, because it takes power away from the Congress. It’s time to refresh the tree of liberty.
Wino on May 17, 2013 at 8:52 PM
So I look outside my window and guess what I see ?
burrata on May 17, 2013 at 8:52 PM
LOL…yeah, that works.
BeachBum on May 17, 2013 at 8:53 PM
Polished and well-dressed incompetence.
The left hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing.
TimBuk3 on May 17, 2013 at 8:53 PM
“I actually know of at least 3 different Obama administrations.”
-Cornball
Bishop on May 17, 2013 at 8:55 PM
It’s not fair of you to compare obambi to the devil. barky is much worse. At least the devil wears his evil.
VegasRick on May 17, 2013 at 8:56 PM
I concur, can we go off topic now?
cozmo on May 17, 2013 at 8:57 PM
The fro is looking mighty gray.
bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 8:58 PM
Comzo is a weasel.
O/T.
bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 8:58 PM
Right.. you can’t expect a CEO to be responsible for anything in his company.
Can’t expect a Captain to be responsible for his ship.
The owner of a business certainly isn’t responsible for what goes on in his business.
The owner of a restaurant can’t ever be held accountable for what goes on in his kitchen.
A homeowner can’t be held liable for the condition of his home.
We all know this. Ask any lawyer.
JellyToast on May 17, 2013 at 8:59 PM
BeachBum on May 17, 2013 at 8:53 PM
Fellow beach bum..
which coast are you bumming at?
bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 9:00 PM
Duh, tell me something I don’t know.
I am a cute weasel though.
cozmo on May 17, 2013 at 9:00 PM
I plead the 5th. :)
bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 9:02 PM
Obama’s a nice guy, just in over his head.
arnold ziffel on May 17, 2013 at 9:02 PM
In fact… Obama doesn’t know anything going on anywhere within his administration. This is proof he’s on top of everything.
The very fact that he knows nothing is the very evidence of his great intelligence.
JellyToast on May 17, 2013 at 9:02 PM
viking01 on May 17, 2013 at 9:03 PM
Trust no one.
- Fox Mulder
trigon on May 17, 2013 at 9:03 PM
East coast of central Florida on a barrier island.
BeachBum on May 17, 2013 at 9:03 PM
You make me cry.*
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* – NSFW
cozmo on May 17, 2013 at 9:03 PM
Cool. The strikeout bug strikes again.
viking01 on May 17, 2013 at 9:04 PM
JellyToast on May 17, 2013 at 8:59 PM
A+ Barry is Capt. Edward Smith.
PS..your handle always makes me hungry.
So does, tatersald.
bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 9:04 PM
David Brooks is one of the most gullible idiots of all time. I guess that’s why the NYT likes him so much. He’s their useful idiot.
Curtiss on May 17, 2013 at 9:04 PM
I think there has been no time in present history as now that a case can be made to abolish the IRS and go to a flat tax that even the ‘low information voters’ can understand…
… But we need to do it, while we still have the time.
Seven Percent Solution on May 17, 2013 at 9:05 PM
East coast of central Florida on a barrier island.
BeachBum on May 17, 2013 at 9:03 PM
no shite..me too.
bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 9:05 PM
Graphic of the Day: Narrative Derailment
Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 9:06 PM
Just wait until Congress discovers that Obama has had the IRS engaged for the last couple of years on a massive hunt for the missing strawberries.
trigon on May 17, 2013 at 9:07 PM
All of us crazy Conservatives were right about ol’ Scooter.
…Unfortunately.
By the way, I believe that bluegill has a sockpuppet. I just can’t prove it…yet.
She stopped posting…and a new poster appeared.
kingsjester on May 17, 2013 at 9:07 PM
@AP Have a great weekend. :)
Followed by an argument that he never had to physically pick up the phone. I’ve made similar arguments myself, but I hope in this case someone in the West Wing spent some time typing at the computer.
BECAUSE IF THEY DIDN’T, the IRS is autonomous — the IRS just makes up any sh!t it wants, whenever it wants. That reality would be a much uglier than Obama’s White House using the IRS as a weapon.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324767004578487332636180800.html?mod=rss_opinion_main
Axe on May 17, 2013 at 9:07 PM
Get Outta Town!!….where, if I may ask? I’m in New Smyrna Beach.
BeachBum on May 17, 2013 at 9:08 PM
Hope and Change
John the Libertarian on May 17, 2013 at 9:09 PM
But, at least, he’s not a squirrel….and, it’s a good thing considering his penchant for pants-less weekends.
Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 9:09 PM
Note the subtle “nudge”. Yep I really like government nudging me while bending me over and then shaking me upside down by the ankles.
arnold ziffel on May 17, 2013 at 9:09 PM
cozmo on May 17, 2013 at 9:03 PM
haha..no hate.
Wuv for feisty as$.
I see your okay..was worried about you and the hoteeee wife (her mostly) ;)
Glad your here.
bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 9:11 PM
NO ONE CLICK THAT!
Axe on May 17, 2013 at 9:11 PM
Uh, oh…I just divulged my position…is that the sound of helic…
BeachBum on May 17, 2013 at 9:11 PM
BeachBum on May 17, 2013 at 9:08 PM
Think Nasa. :)
bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 9:11 PM
rogerb on May 17, 2013 at 9:12 PM
I think I will go put pants on…and a cup.
And some aspirin, and a drink.
You should have included a warning.
Really
cozmo on May 17, 2013 at 9:13 PM
:p
Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 9:13 PM
I should have listened to axe man.
agggghhhhh!
thx rwm..you damn ruined my last rib.
Bill in the mail.
Oh hell..your a lawyer..I’m screwed.
bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 9:14 PM
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Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 9:14 PM
Many Florida commenters here.
Curtiss on May 17, 2013 at 9:15 PM
hehehehehe
It’s only 9:15 on Friday night and Cozmo has abandoned his pants-less week-end already!
Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 9:15 PM
cozmo on May 17, 2013 at 9:13 PM
I saw it a couple of days ago.
My bride asked me why I was speaking so high.
kingsjester on May 17, 2013 at 9:16 PM
I should have dedicated the previous tune to you…
cozmo on May 17, 2013 at 9:16 PM
Seven Percent Solution on May 17, 2013 at 9:05 PM
I am with you 7%.
Eliminate the damn agency.
If I didn’t pay an accountant, i wouldn’t know what to do. All BS.
Time for some real change. that would be a superb starter.
bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 9:16 PM
Evening All!!!!
ROFLMAO…RWM…priceless :) lol
CoffeeLover on May 17, 2013 at 9:16 PM
That picture needs to be burned already.
NotCoach on May 17, 2013 at 9:17 PM
Considering how lucky I have been with some of the crazy crap I have done, that picture will give me nightmares.
cozmo on May 17, 2013 at 9:18 PM
Many Florida commenters here.
Curtiss on May 17, 2013 at 9:15 PM
U too?
I will add you to the list.
Lots of ladies. Who happen to be awesome..but of course.
bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 9:18 PM
*shakes head*
Fine. Don’t listen.
*sip*
DON’T YOU PEOPLE SEE SHE’S EVIL!
E-VEEEL!
– No. Fine. Shiny.
My mellow won’t be harshed by all this disbelief and squirrel torture.
Axe on May 17, 2013 at 9:19 PM
Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 9:15 PM
hehe,haha,hoho.
He is gonna put on his sports cup. lol
bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 9:19 PM
Evenin’.
annoyinglittletwerp on May 17, 2013 at 9:20 PM
evening twerpie
bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 9:21 PM
I did hear that squirrel has gotten the lead in the Michael Jackson Bio-pic, though.
kingsjester on May 17, 2013 at 9:21 PM
*half-hearted thwack — more of a thwa*
Axe on May 17, 2013 at 9:21 PM
Snort.
Hey, Coffee, Coach, KJ, Baz, ALT, Coz!
Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 9:22 PM
Even KJ. And KJ deserves better.
Axe on May 17, 2013 at 9:22 PM
Nigeria has joined hands with Kenya and Camaroon ( and one other country I can’t recall right now ) to fight jihadies who train and then infilterate these countries from Somalia.
Please remember here, in both Kenya and Nigeria, there are Christian governments ( duly elected ofcourse) which are facing cross border islamic terrorism.
Obama ‘s cousin Sharia Odinga has been reduced to nothing in Kenya now, after he was hoisted on a pedestal by Obama using American taxpayer money ofcourse .
If my prediction is right , Kerry’s statement means Obama will be arming Sharia Odinga to bring down the Christian governments of both Nigeria and Kenya.
And then the slaughter of Christians will begin.
I give it a timeframe of about 6 months.
Remember Ivory Coast ?
burrata on May 17, 2013 at 9:22 PM
David Brooks is such a fool. You know what the IRS thought it was doing in Cincinnati? Yeah, giving conservatives a “nudge”.
Curtiss on May 17, 2013 at 9:23 PM
I wonder how that fellow that looks like his son is doing. You know that guy that took good care of them womyn in Cleveland?
CW on May 17, 2013 at 9:23 PM
That creeped me out..for some reason.
wtf is wrong with u people!
balls, eye balls, ball warmers-
no wonder I go to bad with nightmares after qotd.
bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 9:24 PM
and somewhere tonight, Justice Alito is chuckling to himself.
can_con on May 17, 2013 at 9:24 PM
bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 9:21 PM
Hiya!
annoyinglittletwerp on May 17, 2013 at 9:25 PM
Axe on May 17, 2013 at 9:22 PM
Evenin’.
Y’know, Nixon didn’t want a special prosecutor, either.
And, Watergate was nothing compared to all of this.
kingsjester on May 17, 2013 at 9:25 PM
Obama has just taken a huge dump on the heart of our democracy. Even daft liberal idiots like Piers Morgan are starting to wake up. It’s only the brownshirts like HotAirLib who are still goose-stepping to the Fuehrer.
John the Libertarian on May 17, 2013 at 9:26 PM
Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 9:22 PM
What up.
It is Friday ya know. ;)
shhh…tell axe your saying tgif.
bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 9:26 PM
*half-hearted thwack — more of a thwa*
Axe on May 17, 2013 at 9:21 PM
*Whole-hearted FLINK! I’ve got tomorrow off so me and the mister can attend a graduation. SATURDAY OFF! WOO-HOO!*
annoyinglittletwerp on May 17, 2013 at 9:27 PM
OK Now I Really want to click…
Jackalope on May 17, 2013 at 9:28 PM
Can we still say TGIF?
God is being banned everywhere..
except in islamic circles.
Allah tis okay.
bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 9:28 PM
Can’t tell what will happen in this soup. The media is openly cheer-leading, now openly hand-wringing; the country (a swath of the country) went a’ worshiping, and so on. No clue what actually gets punished, by whom it’s punished, anymore.
*shrug*
Axe on May 17, 2013 at 9:29 PM
Punish your enemies
BobMbx on May 17, 2013 at 9:29 PM
You mean Thursday, right? :) Weren’t you on some weird Joo calendar?
Axe on May 17, 2013 at 9:30 PM
You were warned.
RickB on May 17, 2013 at 9:30 PM
Hello evil creature. I guess torturing us males last night with that image wasn’t enough for you. :P
NotCoach on May 17, 2013 at 9:30 PM
*sip*
Axe on May 17, 2013 at 9:31 PM
TGIF! TGIF! TGIF! TGIF! TGIF! TGIF! TGIF! TGIF! TGIF!
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Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 9:31 PM
I didn’t make you open it a second time. lol
Baz gave me the puuurrrrrrrrrrrfect opening. Cozmo is back wearing pants. Behold my power!
Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 9:33 PM
WH,IRS, EPA, DOE, DOEd, These letters stand for CORRUPTION.
pat on May 17, 2013 at 9:33 PM
*deep sigh*
I dunno. I’ve dated crazier, and . . . she’s special, somehow.
*rubs temples*
Axe on May 17, 2013 at 9:33 PM
This makes Watergate look like a third-rate fratboy prank.
Laura in Maryland on May 17, 2013 at 9:33 PM
It’s noteworthy how an ideologue is beholden to the political philosophy that a bigger, more expansive/intrusive centrally planned government is preferable yet lacks the competence to know who’s doing what underneath him. And that’s obviously being generous assuming his deniability is plausible. If nothing else, I hope, at least some of those inclined to vote for a statist give pause.
anuts on May 17, 2013 at 9:34 PM
Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 9:22 PM
Hey, Girlfriend!
annoyinglittletwerp on May 17, 2013 at 9:34 PM
Hey, ‘twerp. Here’s one for you.
Don pelts, the owner of world famous Corky’s Barbeque in Memphis, died at 72 this week from a massive heart attack. All the restaurants were closed today.
Services were at Temple Israel.
I guess pork with barbeque sauce on it is OK.
kingsjester on May 17, 2013 at 9:35 PM
You mean Thursday, right? :) Weren’t you on some weird Joo calendar?
Axe on May 17, 2013 at 9:30 PM
The graduation is at a church. I might be the first Jooo some of these folks have ever seen. LoL
annoyinglittletwerp on May 17, 2013 at 9:35 PM
He has had so many fathers, what the hell is he complaining about ?
He had a biologica father,
a grandfather who raised him,
a mentoring father Frank Marshal Davis,
a father from Indonesia–Sotero
a father who bought him his college degree –Al Mansoor,
a father who bought him his house –Rezko,
a religious father Jeremiah Wright
a father who started him in politics and wrote a book for him–Ayers
a father who bought him a puppy–the drunk slob Kennedy
and then he ulimate sugadaddy –Soros, who bought him the White House .
The dolt is never happy !!
burrata on May 17, 2013 at 9:35 PM
Working towards the …
farsighted on May 17, 2013 at 9:35 PM
A jock anyway.
cozmo on May 17, 2013 at 9:36 PM
I didn’t open it a second time! You made me recall it!
NotCoach on May 17, 2013 at 9:36 PM
Irony..
1974 Killary was a member of the impeachment inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.
2013-She is a member and responsible for of one of the biggest scandals to rock the USA.
She is now being probed and ready for the shredder. She helped bring down Nixion..then worked years later for Nixon on steroids.
Guess she didn’t learn well back in the good ol’ days.
Slightly amusing.
bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 9:38 PM
@b9
if you can tear yourself away from your fascinating bowl of lettuce, spin something. :) i need to reinforce my mellow against these standing negative waves.
Axe on May 17, 2013 at 9:38 PM
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