Report: Fiscal cliff deal emerging — including one-year debt-ceiling increase; Update: Obama concedes on new, higher income threshold for tax hikes
posted at 5:51 pm on December 17, 2012 by Allahpundit
I didn’t believe this when I saw it at WaPo yesterday, then I started to wonder when I read Ed’s post this morning, and now Ezra Klein claims Democrats are telling him the same thing. I thought the GOP’s big Plan B alternative to a grand bargain was to extend the Bush tax cuts for the middle class, let them lapse for the rich, and then go home so that they can fight another day when it’s time to raise the debt ceiling again in the spring. The automatic tax hikes on January 1 have deprived them of leverage in this negotiation, but they’ll have more once that’s over with and the debt ceiling is all that’s left on the table.
Change of plans: Now the GOP’s going to agree to raise the ceiling for another year, right up front. Wait, what?
Boehner offered to let tax rates rise for income over $1 million. The White House wanted to let tax rates rise for income over $250,000. The compromise will likely be somewhere in between. More revenue will come from limiting deductions, likely using some variant of the White House’s oft-proposed, oft-rejected idea for limiting itemized deductions to 28 percent. The total revenue raised by the two policies will likely be a bit north of $1 trillion. Congress will get instructions to use this new baseline to embark on tax reform next year. Importantly, if tax reform never happens, the revenue will already be locked in.
On the spending side, the Democrats’ headline concession will be accepting chained-CPI, which is to say, accepting a cut to Social Security benefits. Beyond that, the negotiators will agree to targets for spending cuts. Expect the final number here, too, to be in the neighborhood of $1 trillion, but also expect it to lack many specifics. Whether the cuts come from Medicare or Medicaid, whether they include raising the Medicare age, and many of the other contentious issues in the talks will be left up to Congress…
As for the debt ceiling, that will likely be lifted for a year, at least. In contrast to a week or so ago, when the White House was very intent on finishing the debt ceiling fight now, they’re sounding considerably less committed to securing a long-term increase in these negotiations. The argument winning converts, I’m told, is that since the White House won’t negotiate on the debt ceiling now and won’t negotiate on it later, there’s little reason to make it the sine qua non of a deal.
So in exchange for a tweak to Social Security’s benefit formula, Boehner’s agreeing to tax hikes on the rich and limits on deductions and a mere promise of future spending cuts and a debt-ceiling increase that would formally abandon the live-to-fight-another-day strategy? Note the “at least” part, too. Matt Yglesias is entirely right about this:
Punting 12 months on the debt ceiling so it comes in the middle of a congressional campaign seems like a recipe for disaster.
— Matt Yglesias (@mattyglesias) December 17, 2012
If you’re a House Republican, you’re much more apt to drive a hard bargain next spring than you are in early 2014, when election day will be less than a year away. In fact, if the economy starts to pick up and revenue increases next year, then the next debt-ceiling might be delayed by months — which could mean a showdown right before the midterms. No Republican facing reelection in a purplish district will go to the mat under those circumstances and Boehner knows it, so I assume the one-year deal will quickly become a two-year deal. Will, er, House conservatives — who are already irritated at Boehner’s offer on tax hikes — go along with that? Or is Boehner now prepared to write them off and govern with a coalition of Democrats plus a small group of moderate Republicans? If I’m Pelosi and JB comes back to the House with the sort of deal described above, I’d instruct my troops to vote no (at least on the first pass) just to watch Boehner be humiliated as waves of conservatives vote no too and the bill fails.
But maybe this is just a trial balloon. Here’s what his spokesman said about raising the debt ceiling:
Boehner’s offer signals that he expects a big deal with sufficient savings to meet his demand that any debt limit increase be paired dollar for dollar with spending cuts. That would permit him to keep a key vow to his party — and head off a potentially nasty debt-limit fight — at least until the end of next year.
“Our position has not changed,” Boehner spokesman Michael Steel said Sunday. “Any debt limit increase would require cuts and reforms of a greater amount.”
A Boehner aide told CNN the same thing — no debt-ceiling hike without an equivalent amount of cuts. Now that they’ve drawn that line publicly, they can’t cave without Boehner losing whatever remaining credibility he has with the House. So maybe this is just a tactic to pressure Obama on cuts by wringing a little positive PR from the negotiations for the GOP, with Boehner angling to come off as the responsible, compromise-minded side of the table who’s willing to give O what he wants in exchange for a little fiscal responsibility in return. If I were Obama, though, I’d call his bluff. Given how the polling worked out for the GOP after the last debt-ceiling standoff, Boehner will have tremendous difficulty holding the caucus together if/when there’s a new standoff in the spring. Why would O give him the cuts he wants now when he could try to split the House by forcing another debt-ceiling showdown a few months from now?
Update: I wonder what this concession bought from Boehner:
President Barack Obama has proposed a deficit-reduction package to House Speaker John Boehner (BAY’-nur) that would increase the top tax rates on taxpayers earning more than $400,000, cut more spending from health care programs and add $200 billion more in spending cuts over 10 years to his earlier offer.
Boehner had proposed an earnings threshold of $1 million for higher rates. Obama dropped his demand that individuals making more than $200,000 pay higher rates.
A higher threshold for the top bracket means less revenue raised once the new rate goes into effect, which in turn means less deficit reduction. But the tax part about this has never been about deficit reduction. If Obama cared about that, he’d have a serious entitlement reform plan on the table. This is about “fairness,” in all its arbitrary glory. The new threshold for what’s “fair”: More taxes from people who makes $400,000 or more.
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Oh, My…Just When You Thought That It Couldn’t Get Any Worse… Obama’s IRS Went After A Survivor Of A Japanese Concentration Camp For Her Political Speech
Seriously bad optics.
Resist We Much on May 20, 2013 at 8:43 PM
c-ya
however, dear leader is not going to let him go…no way no how
cmsinaz on May 20, 2013 at 8:44 PM
Many? Or all six of them?
KingGold on May 20, 2013 at 8:44 PM
The corrupt Democrat Whisperer..
Electrongod on May 20, 2013 at 8:44 PM
Unless he wants to go, he’s not going. Neither of these historical men will be put out of office. Besides, like Rush said this afternoon, Holder knows where all the bodies are buried in the Clinton and Obama administrations.
Cindy Munford on May 20, 2013 at 8:44 PM
*On camera, with puppy dog eyes, lower lip sticking out* It`s so hard being a black man in America, but if you want me to go-”
“No, no! Please stay! Sorry, we know we`re being insensitive. Water under the bridge!”
ThePrez on May 20, 2013 at 8:45 PM
Holder will be for Obama what Rumsfeld was for Bush… someone who should have been replaced immediately after reelection.
ninjapirate on May 20, 2013 at 8:47 PM
Sebelius?
Resist We Much on May 20, 2013 at 8:48 PM
Yeah and pigs can fly.
bgibbs1000 on May 20, 2013 at 8:48 PM
“Experienced Democrats” whispering that it might be time for Holder to go.
What they should be whispering is……..
“Experienced Democrats” whispering that it might be time for
HolderObama to go.PappyD61 on May 20, 2013 at 8:48 PM
Sebelius!
Rovin on May 20, 2013 at 8:48 PM
HOLDER=JAIL
TX-96 on May 20, 2013 at 8:49 PM
To jail, yes.
rbj on May 20, 2013 at 8:50 PM
Why you are the one and only AP.
You will be audited.
Holder needs to go to prison.
The dam hasn’t even cracked, yet. It’s just now beginning to get interesting.
The CYA is not done, by fare. Scapegoating them was NOT a good idea.
Schadenfreude on May 20, 2013 at 8:51 PM
S/b the two scumhags and capos of the admin: Sibelius and Napolitano.
Schadenfreude on May 20, 2013 at 8:52 PM
Weiner/Holder — 2016
Schadenfreude on May 20, 2013 at 8:53 PM
If ditching Holder won’t really hurt Obama, then I want Holder staying on. Once he’s gone, he becomes a non-player despite him having more baggage lying around than JFK airport at Thankgsgiving. If Holder goes, the Dems will say, “You got your pound of flesh; he’s no longer in government. He’s irrelevant and you’re still on a witch hunt.”
If Obama’s past is any indicator, he’ll tell everyone pushing for Holder’s resignation to get stuffed. Obama is likely to double-down just to prove no one can make him do anything.
I also don’t want any backroom deals where Holder is ‘sacrificed’ to get support for amnesty. The issues aren’t related, and we don’t want amnesty anyway. I hope the Pubs aren’t going to do this to our country again.
Liam on May 20, 2013 at 8:53 PM
Holder knows everything and has faithfully been doing Barry’s and Valerie Jarrett’s dirtywork. He ain’t going nowhere. Obama will go before Holder goes. If Holder gets angry and spills his guts, it’s going to be a very bad day for the president and his henchwoman.
Philly on May 20, 2013 at 8:54 PM
Valerie Jarrett…
d1carter on May 20, 2013 at 8:54 PM
It is long since past the time Holder should have gone….
His “gutsy” move to come to the aid of the New Black Panther Party after their 2008 voter intimidation conviction in Philly would have driven any other Attorney General from DC…on a rail.
But, Holder is three things…a friend/worshipper of Obama; Black, therefore historic or something; and a shameless hater of whites…well, conservative American whites.
So, the Left, the progressives, will defends him to the death…unless they get new marching orders. [There is a classic episode of the original Twilight Zone that addressed this sort of thing...when the Left determines that Holder is obsolete...]
For now…Holder, just as Obama…will skate.
coldwarrior on May 20, 2013 at 8:55 PM
Two more Fox reporters listed as co-conspirators.
But the press will never let it get to the general public.
And there are too many dems in the senate for there to be real justice.
No the Republicans focus should be on dramatizing and personalizing the scandals so that the American public associates the Democratic party will abuse of power.
Iblis on May 20, 2013 at 8:55 PM
So the anti-American thug has to go in order for 20 million
non-American cholos and jihadies to get on welfare legally ?
Is that what the Eightidiots are “debating” ?
burrata on May 20, 2013 at 8:56 PM
You know what…there seems to be a pattern developing here…
d1carter on May 20, 2013 at 8:56 PM
holder ain’t going anywhere, he has complete confidence in him
cmsinaz on May 20, 2013 at 8:57 PM
George Ryan is a Republican.
Resist We Much on May 20, 2013 at 8:58 PM
holder doesn’t know anything.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/05/16/eric-holder-just-doesnt-know-n1598543
VegasRick on May 20, 2013 at 8:58 PM
Holder go?
That would be like Al Capone losing Frank Nitti.
VorDaj on May 20, 2013 at 8:59 PM
Holder was just doing what Obama wanted.
Dusty on May 20, 2013 at 8:59 PM
Beat me to it.
I’d love nothing more than to toss that Frank Burns-looking, fake-Catholic prog right out on the smug stick-up her arse she conducts herself with.
budfox on May 20, 2013 at 8:59 PM
Will never happen — and he can be accountable for no crime … that would be racist, don’t you know?
/Leftist indoctrination and incompetence and incineration of independents insurance policy
ShainS on May 20, 2013 at 9:00 PM
Do they really want someone at Justice who knows where the Chicago bodies are buried? Rahm Emanuel and turned out to be not loyal enough to Team O to stay around — given all the scandals, do they want another non-syncopate with the power to control investigations and who knows how the game has been played in the Windy City. Sounds like a future Archibald Cox v2.0 set-up for Obama if the scandals keep dripping out.
jon1979 on May 20, 2013 at 9:00 PM
dand squishy gop will fall for it too…
*shaking the head*
cmsinaz on May 20, 2013 at 9:01 PM
Are you sure? Maybe he simply fell victim to more of those rogue, low-level workers that are so prevalent and powerful in government these days. /
Liam on May 20, 2013 at 9:01 PM
Hagel and Kerry are two dumb toads. No one is scared of them.
Sebelius/Holder/Napolitano are Obama’s capos.
Schadenfreude on May 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM
I don’t know who it will be, but I know who it should be:
Kathleen Sebelius.
BKeyser on May 20, 2013 at 9:06 PM
Let’s not forget Holder worked for the previous Democrat pResidency.
Just sayin’.
Del Dolemonte on May 20, 2013 at 9:12 PM
Unfortunately he would be replaced with Deval Patrick who would be even worse….the GOP would rubber stamp him so as not to be called racists and probably give away the farm for good measure….
Caseoftheblues on May 20, 2013 at 9:12 PM
Wait, you mean it hasn’t been Napolitano all this time? I’m honestly stunned. I mean, Holder is a corrupt mean-spirited incompetent. Napolitano is a butch corrupt mean-spirited troll overseeing the routine molestation of private travelers.
As for “Endgame?” It isn’t the endgame even if Holder goes. Not even the beginning of the endgame. It would be, perhaps, the end of the beginning-game.
Gingotts on May 20, 2013 at 9:13 PM
Given the absolute top-to-bottom corruption of this administration and the executive branch, whether Holder goes or not is sort of… irrelevant.
Personally, would prefer to see him hang on to the bitter end, self-recused and professedly ignorant of everything, whispered and murmured about, and– one can hope– outflanked by a couple of special prosecutors.
de rigueur on May 20, 2013 at 9:14 PM
I don’t think so.
Holder is a firewall. He’s already been held in contempt of Congress, so there isn’t much left they can do to him. Even if that contempt citation goes against hm, and it likely will, it is a civil matter and he doesn’t face jail time unless he defies a court order to respond fully to the supoenas.
He has also proven himself willing to engage in just about any kind of illegality in the service of Obama. Tools like that aren’t so easy to find.
Obama can’t afford a glory hound or even just a competent & semi-ethical lawyer to take Holder’s place. If Holder goes, look for some unknown but confirmable milquetoast with a clean record that will dither for the balance of Barry’s term.
novaculus on May 20, 2013 at 9:15 PM
I sincerely hope they mean to Hell.
SickofLibs on May 20, 2013 at 9:16 PM
or jail. That would be nice.
VegasRick on May 20, 2013 at 9:19 PM
Why the long face?
slickwillie2001 on May 20, 2013 at 9:20 PM
How can you be mad at someone who wears gosnel fabric shoes and bone jewelry?
acyl72 on May 20, 2013 at 9:21 PM
Since it is the Department of Jihad,
let’s get Loogie Fairy Khan as AG already……
and get it over with
burrata on May 20, 2013 at 9:25 PM
Clearly Napolitano.
jimver on May 20, 2013 at 9:27 PM
So Fitz basically has been persecuting Obama’s enemies in Sh**cago ? WOW !!!
burrata on May 20, 2013 at 9:34 PM
How about this one? Holder has perverted the whole idea and system of justice. He is a partisan ideologue who contorts law into an unrecognizable shape.
onlineanalyst on May 20, 2013 at 9:49 PM
You mean those who confirmed Kerry and Brennan? Those sides? The question is, who could Obama nominate that they wouldn’t confirm? OK, Susan Rice, but name someone else.
AZfederalist on May 20, 2013 at 9:51 PM
The only way Holder goes before The One leaves office (assuming The One ever intends to) is if he has a pre-signed Presidential Pardon in his pocket. Otherwise, things he knows, and could testify about to Congress to save his own a$$, could and would sink the Messiah.
He was Clinton’s point man on attacking the Second Amendment, and ran Fast & Furious as The One’s point man on the same thing. Add in that DOJ probably knows more about exactly who, and what, is crossing the Mexico U.S. border every day (that The One just doesn’t want to deal with- “undocumented voters” are his DREAM, drug gangs, slavers, street gangs and jihadis are the reality he doesn’t want to see), and Holder has The One by a very sensitive part of his anatomy.
And having served under the Clintons, I’m quite sure he has an insurance policy to forestall any “accidents”, “heart attacks”, or “Oh my G-d, the dog ate Eric!!”s.
The One is linked to Holder like Genovese was linked to Luciano. You may remember, to take one of them down, the other had to be convinced to leave the country first. (The other choice being Sing Sing.)
Holder isn’t going to accept that choice.
clear ether
eon
eon on May 20, 2013 at 9:54 PM
And let’s not accept the premises of these “narratives” that excuse the administration:
and
Has that claim been proven?
Just because they claim such, have they proven such? Voter ID is a threat to honest elections? Since when?
onlineanalyst on May 20, 2013 at 9:55 PM
Yes, I remember when Democrats lived by the principles of decorum during the previous administration.
JR on May 20, 2013 at 10:00 PM
Honest election; One the Democrat candidate wins.
Mandate; Any Democrat win, even by a single vote. (Never mind where that vote came from.)
Threat; Election laws actually being enforced as per the statutes, which inevitably disadvantages Democrats.
/Democratpedia
clear ether
eon
eon on May 20, 2013 at 10:14 PM
Barry will do none of it. Holder is his pal, and knows where the bodies are buried. Nope, Barry will just double down on stupid and start claiming “Executive Privilege”.
GarandFan on May 20, 2013 at 10:30 PM
Geez! So much navel gazing over firing a guy who is doing things he should be fired for.
This is what’s wrong with DC, politicians and their staffs and pundits.
Vince on May 20, 2013 at 10:47 PM
Republicans won’t make too much of a stink about that lest they be seen defending Dubya’s administration and Democrats won’t make much of a stink about Fitzgerald because they’ll be exceptionally eager to finally turn the page on this mess.
Wrong!!!!!
Patrick Fitzgerald pursued the White House knowing full well from the start Richard Armitage leaked the information. But still he conducted a witch hunt. The best he could do was a perjury charge and obstruction charge against Scooter Libby. He was rewarded by the Obama White House by allowing him to be one of the few US Attorneys to keep his job with the change of administrations.
His only saving grace is he couldn’t be as bad as Holder. But he is no friend of Republicans.
Corky Boyd on May 20, 2013 at 10:52 PM
Holder’s not going anywhere, especially now with all these scandals.
The Rogue Tomato on May 20, 2013 at 11:23 PM
Holder is Obama’s trained attack dog. When a man’s dog goes wild and hurts people–the owner is held to be at fault. How is it that simple legal and social fact escapes from reality for the leftist ruling class?
Holder needs to be tried by an impartial jury for criminal behavior and his boss…?
Don L on May 21, 2013 at 5:18 AM