Quotes of the day

posted at 10:40 pm on December 17, 2012 by Allahpundit

Unburdened by re-election worries and empowered by law to act without Congress, U.S. President Barack Obama could take action to improve background checks on gun buyers, ban certain gun imports and bolster oversight of dealers…

Christopher Schroeder, who ran the Justice Department’s review, said it looked at possible legislation to send to Congress as well as action the administration could take itself.

“You always look at both, because if you can do it administratively it’s certainly a less involved process,” said Schroeder, who has since returned to a professorship at Duke Law School.

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After years of arguing that Democrats should be willing to bear the political costs — lost votes in the South, in particular — of gun control measures, advocates Saturday began cautiously to make a different case. Gun control leaders and other progressive figures told BuzzFeed that, whether or not Democrats can get new legislation through Congress, they should be winning elections on the issue of guns

“For the first time in decades, Republicans are losing on social issues — they’re losing on same-sex marriage, they’re losing on contraception, and now they could lose on guns because their position is so intractable,” said Kessler. “Except for a vocal minority, people know and expect that something can be done.”

“It’s not that Democrats could do it and make some political gains,” added Mike Lux, founder of the consulting firm Progressive Strategies, and a former aide to President Bill Clinton. “It’s that they have to do it. It’s not only the base, it’s now the American people. They better damn well do it, or people will say what on earth is going on.”

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The White House is looking at various options, and the scope and details of the president’s approach aren’t clear. One possibility likely to be considered is a ban on high-capacity magazines, the devices attached to firearms that store large numbers of bullets and reload them rapidly.

A 1994 ban on assault weapons that expired in 2004 included a ban on ammunition magazines that held more than 10 rounds. Recent shootings, including the one Friday, have involved firearms with much more capacity, allowing a shooter to fire many more shots before having to reload, which could allow someone to intervene…

No White House proposal is imminent, and it remains to be seen whether it would be legislative or administrative and how hard the president would push for any legislative initiative.

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And yet those who study mass shootings say they are not becoming more common.

“There is no pattern, there is no increase,” says criminologist James Allen Fox of Boston’s Northeastern University, who has been studying the subject since the 1980s, spurred by a rash of mass shootings in post offices.

The random mass shootings that get the most media attention are the rarest, Fox says. Most people who die of bullet wounds knew the identity of their killer.

Society moves on, he says, because of our ability to distance ourselves from the horror of the day, and because people believe that these tragedies are “one of the unfortunate prices we pay for our freedoms.”

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The usual argument on this point is “we need to ramp up our mental health efforts,” but that’s easier said than done. And what we’re really talking about is involuntary detainment and observation of people if they are deemed threatening by “odd behavior.” If you think seeking therapy and mental health treatment is stigmatized now, wait until the government can easily access your mental health records without your consent to determine if you’re a threat to society.

You’ll hear an argument about arming teachers, a solution that has its own problems, among them that the security at any given school will depend upon A) teachers willing to carry weapons in their classrooms and B) their ability to control a firearm at all times. The first time a teacher forgets and leaves their gun where a student can touch it, that whole policy will become the newest scapegoat.

I’m not sure that school security is really the right focus, because most schools, with their press-the-buzzer-to-enter, check in at the front office, closed-circuit television cameras, and so on, are not built to stop a determined murderer with multiple guns. Few facilities in our country are. And to be honest, I’m not quite sure I want to rearrange every school in America to be a fortress, designed to stop a determined murderer with multiple guns; the result would be the mass “TSA-ization” of American life.

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Even with Friday’s killing, 2012 will see fewer homicides at school than the typical year when I was in middle school, according to FBI data. And the data suggest that Newtown was a terrible aberration. The trend since the early-to-mid-1990s is distinctly downward…

Conservatives, eager to look for a solution aside from gun control, have begun speaking vaguely about “mental health.” Our culture, and maybe our government, could do more to address the issue. But where is this line of argument heading? Simply more funding? There’s no correlation between education spending and educational achievement. Should we expect government mental health programs to fare differently than government education programs?

Or, when we speak of “doing something about mental health,” are we talking about closer surveillance of those who might have mental illness? Or do some want government to pre-emptively detain those deemed mentally disturbed? That ought to worry civil libertarians on both the Left and Right.

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What if there is nobody or nothing to blame for Adam Lanza’s heinous acts? Other than Lanza, of course…

What if it’s too simple to lay the massacre at the feet of the gun lobby? Reader Larry Kelly tweets that shaming Aspies “makes about as much sense at stigmatizing the NRA. Pick an enemy … any enemy. Let outrage and fear rule.”

What if Lanza wasn’t provoked by video games? David Axelrod, a close friend an adviser of President Obama, tweeted last night: “In NFL post-game: an ad for shoot ‘em up video game. All for curbing weapons of war. But shouldn’t we also quit marketing murder as a game.”…

What if Lanza’s mother did everything she could, short of keeping her guns out her adult son’s reach? What if he wasn’t bullied?

What if there is nobody or nothing to blame? Would that make this inexplicable horror unbearable?

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And don’t say that it won’t make a difference because crazies will always be able to get a gun. We’re not going to eliminate gun deaths, any more than we have eliminated auto accidents. But if we could reduce gun deaths by one-third, that would be 10,000 lives saved annually.

Likewise, don’t bother with the argument that if more people carried guns, they would deter shooters or interrupt them. Mass shooters typically kill themselves or are promptly caught, so it’s hard to see what deterrence would be added by having more people pack heat. There have been few if any cases in the United States in which an ordinary citizen with a gun stopped a mass shooting.

The tragedy isn’t one school shooting, it’s the unceasing toll across our country. More Americans die in gun homicides and suicides in six months than have died in the last 25 years in every terrorist attack and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq combined.

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For once I agree with liberals. It’s high time to have a conversation about guns. Let’s start with the problem that there are far too few guns on our streets.

Wait, we can’t have that conversation. In fact, we’re not supposed to have what people might commonly describe as a “conversation” at all. We’re supposed to shut-up and listen as liberals, barely masking their unseemly delight at the opportunity, try to pin the murder rampage of one degenerate creep on millions of law-abiding Americans who did nothing wrong. The conversation is then supposed to end with us waiving our fundamental right to self-defense.

Because that is what the goal is – a total ban on the private ownership of firearms. There’s always another “common sense” gun law which fails because it is targeted at law-abiding citizens and not criminals, thereby inviting another round of onerous new restrictions until finally no citizen is keeping or bearing anything more than a dull butter knife…

Here’s the fact – bad people are going to have guns. And if you’ve ever smoked a joint, you are disqualified from arguing that prohibition works.

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“You need Wayne LaPierre or one of those guys to come to the White House meeting, and if they won’t come, the president invites them to the televised meeting, and they won’t come to say their piece in public, they should be shamed into it, and assaulted, one of the terms they like, for their lack of patriotism.”

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“I just have to say, your position completely boggles me, honestly. I just do not understand it.”


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bishoff!

Paul-Cincy on December 17, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Same old same old it’s tiresome how the liberals rant on and on and on…

Scrumpy on December 17, 2012 at 10:43 PM

There’s always another “common sense” gun law which fails because it is targeted at law-abiding citizens and not criminals, thereby inviting another round of onerous new restrictions until finally no citizen is keeping or bearing anything more than a dull butter knife…

When you take my butter knife from dead cold hands… huh what?

Scrumpy on December 17, 2012 at 10:44 PM

For all the carrion-feeders

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 10:45 PM

‘Fast and Furious”…

… “Benghazi”!

Seven Percent Solution on December 17, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Obama believes that his Marxist Coup has given him his dream of an American Marxist Utopia. All he has to do now is dictate it’s last few articles.

John “Bonehead” Boehner is a damned Marxist traitor. /Rant

On the tragic loss of 20 innocent children.

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Paul-Cincy on December 17, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Oh that’s so not fair! I was here first alone! All by my lonesome and YOU get to Bishoff?!

Moderators being choosy/ lol

Scrumpy on December 17, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Gun control makes for a tight shot pattern.

cozmo on December 17, 2012 at 10:46 PM

Good evening fellow ranters and ravers! ;-)

Scrumpy on December 17, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Very witty cozmo!

Scrumpy on December 17, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Good evening fellow ranters and ravers! ;-)

Scrumpy on December 17, 2012 at 10:47 PM

And good night. I’m tired.

cozmo on December 17, 2012 at 10:47 PM

They don’t deserve to be free.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 10:48 PM

cozmo on December 17, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Me too, but will hang for another oh say 20 mins or so…

Good night Cozmo!

Scrumpy on December 17, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Our Founding Fathers once proclaimed, “When in the course of human affairs…” Perhaps it’s time to give a second look at “Refreshing the Tree of Liberty with the blood of Tyrants”.

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 10:48 PM

One of the answers to all of this is right in front of our faces…

“Why Israel Has No Newtowns”

… but we can’t have THAT now, can we?

Seven Percent Solution on December 17, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Unburdened by re-election worries and empowered by law to act without Congress, U.S. President Barack Obama could take action to improve background checks on gun buyers, ban certain gun imports and bolster oversight of dealers…
==============================

Well that sure did work out in Fast and Furious,
where,essentially,the Obama Administration was


thee,…..GUN DEALER!!

canopfor on December 17, 2012 at 10:53 PM

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 10:48 PM

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/12/gov-dossiers-on-us-citizens/

davidk on December 17, 2012 at 10:54 PM

“Why Israel Has No Newtowns”

… but we can’t have THAT now, can we?

Seven Percent Solution on December 17, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Seven Percent Solution:

UBetcha Seven,and ZERO Airline Hi_Jackings as well!:)

canopfor on December 17, 2012 at 10:55 PM

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 10:48 PM

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/12/gov-dossiers-on-us-citizens/

davidk on December 17, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Covered that on my blog already.

Erick Holders Department of Injustice becomes America’s Gestapo.

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Our Founding Fathers once proclaimed, “When in the course of human affairs…” Perhaps it’s time to give a second look at “Refreshing the Tree of Liberty with the blood of Tyrants”.

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Yeah, except those tyrants were all duly elected by the people or duly selected by those the people elected.

cynccook on December 17, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Murder is illegal…yet murders still happen.
Rape is illegal…yet rape still happens.
Theft is illegal..yet theft still happens.

Laws are either followed or broken.

New laws won’t stop future school attacks.

Defense is the only way to counter them.

portlandon on December 17, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Good evening fellow ranters and ravers! ;-)

Scrumpy on December 17, 2012 at 10:47 PM

I don’t post that much in the evening, but I’m really not into it tonight. G’night all.

Fallon on December 17, 2012 at 10:58 PM

…there is no Constitution.

KOOLAID2 on December 17, 2012 at 10:58 PM

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Yeah, except those tyrants were all duly elected by the people or duly selected by those the people elected.

cynccook on December 17, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Or so those tyrants and the Fifth Column Treasonous Media would like everyone to believe. Remember how Saddam Hussein used to get 97% of the popular Iraqi vote. Funny how the Iraqi people, once no longer under Saddam’s thumb had no problem with, and wasted no time hanging him.

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 10:59 PM

There are no perfect solutions. Every mass murderer is insane in one way or another so some kind of attempt to identify them and keep weapons out of their hands MAY reduce the death toll. I believe there is already some sort of Federal statute about that. Unfortunately, even the criminally insane are very smart in many ways and able to get around prohibitions and identifications – if they really want to kill they will. I am coming to the conclusion that if I don’t want to be a victim I had better be prepared to act on my own. The great reality is that police forces do little to prevent violent acts, but rather react to them. So, it’s off to the concealed carry class, get the proper paperwork and spend some time and money at the range. God willing, I will never have to use the training and knowledge I have, but God knows, by the time the cops respond, it is merely to tag the bodies and collect the evidence. Maybe classrooms should be like cockpits – some pilots are armed (not all), so maybe some teachers (who are willing) should be armed. There will be accidents – but that’s life.

Bernfp on December 17, 2012 at 10:59 PM

I’m going to check out weapons(LEGALLY, libs) tomorrow. Aspies still have second amendment rights…for now.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 17, 2012 at 11:00 PM

My 20 mins has been surpassed. I too am off to bed!

Good night and God Bless!!

Scrumpy on December 17, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Well,another Dem weighs in,and a (News)list of
LibRats,who tripped over themselves,to the Cock-
Tail Partys,for top bragging rights,of the BLEEDING
HEART LIBERAL DO_GOODER!!

Sen.-elect Joe Donnelly, pro-gun Democrat, says he’s now open to gun control measures – @PoliticalTicker

2 hours ago from politicalticker.blogs.nn.com by editor

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/gun-control

canopfor on December 17, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Covered that on my blog already.

Erick Holders Department of Injustice becomes America’s Gestapo.

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 10:56 PM

When I first read that I thought of you and the hits you are getting from D. C.

davidk on December 17, 2012 at 11:01 PM

A 1994 ban on assault weapons that expired in 2004 included a ban on ammunition magazines that held more than 10 rounds. Recent shootings, including the one Friday, have involved firearms with much more capacity, allowing a shooter to fire many more shots before having to reload, which could allow someone to intervene…

And, yet, the murder rate has been lower since the expiration of the AWB than it was when it was in effect. In fact, the murder rate has been going down as CCW rights have expanded across the country.

The data — from the government — doesn’t lie:

The AWB or CCW Laws: Which Has Had More Of An Impact On The Murder Rate?

The AWB was a piece of “feel good” legislation that did not prevent Columbine, Paducah, or Jonesboro. It did nothing more than ban guns that with COSMETIC CHANGES that made them LOOK SKEERY, BUT THAT OTHERWISE FUNCTIONED LIKE OTHER LEGAL “NON-ASSAULT WEAPONS.”

Good public policy is not the result of emotion.

Resist We Much on December 17, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Covered that on my blog already.

Erick Holders Department of Injustice becomes America’s Gestapo.

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 10:56 PM

When I first read that I thought of you and the hits you are getting from D. C.

davidk on December 17, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Believe me, I think about it quite often as well.

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 11:03 PM

For once I agree with liberals. It’s high time to have a conversation about guns. Let’s start with the problem that there are far too few guns on our streets.

But that’s not the conversation leftists want to have.

The conversation they want to have goes like this:

Leftist: Give me your guns and ammo. And shut up if you don’t agree.

Conversation over.

UltimateBob on December 17, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Great feeling knowing the R’s have my back on this whole gun issue.

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Great feeling knowing the R’s have my back on this whole gun issue.

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Funny, I have never really found the feel of a gun at my back to be a great feeling. o_O

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Good Night Fallon, good Night Scrumpy, Pleasant Dreams.

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Ya know,the Lib/ProgTards are going after every thing that makes
America,America,and the Left are in WE WON,WERE GONNA WEAR YOU
OUT Conservatives Operational Mode,

TILL THE CHANGE THAT WE WANT HAPPENS!!

canopfor on December 17, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Once upon a time, the wife of a Senator from Tennessee started a campaign to put restrictions and ratings on video games, music, etc. because of the “horrendous things” our children were being exposed to by unfiltered access.

Her name eludes me at the moment …

… but I do recall that her husband was given an award for a totally fictitious movie he starred in about ten years later which was nothing more than political propaganda marketing for a new business venture he started …

… and I know for certain the same business interests she led a campaign against now are the biggest contributors to the candidates of the same political party she and her husband represented …

… and the media conglomerates they control are slavishly devoted to that party’s political agenda.

Tipper somethingGall?

The Sociopathic Liars Democratic Party?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

PolAgnostic on December 17, 2012 at 11:05 PM

canopfor on December 17, 2012 at 10:55 PM

It is a start…

… it works, and it is everything opposite of the Left’s ideology.

Seven Percent Solution on December 17, 2012 at 11:05 PM

The usual argument on this point is “we need to ramp up our mental health efforts,” but that’s easier said than done. And what we’re really talking about is involuntary detainment and observation of people if they are deemed threatening by “odd behavior.” If you think seeking therapy and mental health treatment is stigmatized now, wait until the government can easily access your mental health records without your consent to determine if you’re a threat to society.

You’ll hear an argument about arming teachers, a solution that has its own problems, among them that the security at any given school will depend upon A) teachers willing to carry weapons in their classrooms and B) their ability to control a firearm at all times. The first time a teacher forgets and leaves their gun where a student can touch it, that whole policy will become the newest scapegoat.

I’m not sure that school security is really the right focus, because most schools, with their press-the-buzzer-to-enter, check in at the front office, closed-circuit television cameras, and so on, are not built to stop a determined murderer with multiple guns. Few facilities in our country are. And to be honest, I’m not quite sure I want to rearrange every school in America to be a fortress, designed to stop a determined murderer with multiple guns; the result would be the mass “TSA-ization” of American life.

If you could stop hand-wringing a minute, hold this $200 door up so I can put the hinge-pins in and stop this from ever happening again.

Axe on December 17, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Funny, I have never really found the feel of a gun at my back to be a great feeling. o_O

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 11:04 PM

I have got to do a better job of hitting that sarc tag key. ; )

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 11:06 PM

There have been few if any cases in the United States in which an ordinary citizen with a gun stopped a mass shooting.

That’s a bloody lie. Here’s one:

Pearl High School shooting

Woodham drove his mother’s car to Pearl High School. Wearing an orange jumpsuit and a trenchcoat,[1] he made no attempt to hide his rifle. When he entered the school, he fatally shot Lydia Kaye Dew and Christina Menefee, his former girlfriend. Pearl High School assistant band director, Jeff Cannon, was standing five feet away from Dew when she was fatally shot. Woodham went on to wound seven others before leaving, intending to drive off campus and conduct another shooting at the nearby Pearl Junior High School. However, assistant principal Joel Myrick had retrieved a .45 pistol from the glove compartment of his truck and subdued Woodham inside his mother’s car.

Resist We Much on December 17, 2012 at 11:06 PM

I’m not quite sure I want to rearrange every school in America to be a fortress, designed to stop a determined murderer with multiple guns

Stop talking and do it anyway.

g******. Some of these guys don’t want to do anything.

Axe on December 17, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Contemptible bums’ rush. The worst sort of ‘wave the bloody shirt’ politics. Just the sort of crisis the administration was trying to create with Fast and Furious.
I’ve a message for the banners and that crone Feinstein. We will not submit. And grandfathering what you cannot seize – in hopes of forestalling an insurrection – will not be enough. You try to shove that crap bill thru, or anything like it and it will be war. And it will be against the politicians who do it and their supporters in the media and progressive machine, not their police-state minions. And we won’t sit and wait for the no-knock that comes in the middle of the night.

rayra on December 17, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Setting up for that huge black blued market. Fine stainless and anodized too.

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 11:12 PM

We are witnessing the country about to come apart at the seams…we are in for many ugly years…I hope they don’t get even more violent and bloody.

d1carter on December 17, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Can’t wait for them to come for my “lovelies”. A lot fewer of them will leave than who came. Where I live, we don’t call 911 … until it’s over.

TXUS on December 17, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Even Parkerised. ; )

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Funny, I have never really found the feel of a gun at my back to be a great feeling. o_O

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 11:04 PM

I have got to do a better job of hitting that sarc tag key. ; )

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Society will always need those rare individuals stupid enough to give voice to the uncomfortable thoughts we all have but are to smart to express in public, Society will always require their sacrifice to ease the guilt of their cowardice and inaction.

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Yeah, except those tyrants were all duly elected by the people or duly selected by those the people elected.

cynccook on December 17, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Doesn’t matter how the tyrants came, they should suffer a tyrant’s fate.

/and I don’t mean retiring to some garden spot with a looted treasury.

rayra on December 17, 2012 at 11:14 PM

All Democrats have to do is create a false-flag ‘War On Children’ and blame it on Republicans and gun control will be a winning issue for them.

Why? Because much of the electorate is emotional and irrational. The rest are men.

Corporal Tunnel on December 17, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Joe Biden chimes in, “Nobody is going to take away my Juicyfruit!”

fogw on December 17, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Recent shootings, including the one Friday, have involved firearms with much more capacity, allowing a shooter to fire many more shots before having to reload, which could allow someone to intervene

Yep, if only those terrified, bewildered first graders had a moment when the large adult savage was reloading, they could have rushed him, thrown him to the floor, and put him in a arm-bar until the proper authorities arrived.

Bishop on December 17, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Our Founding Fathers once proclaimed, “When in the course of human affairs…” Perhaps it’s time to give a second look at “Refreshing the Tree of Liberty with the blood of Tyrants”.
SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 10:48 PM

So… What are you actually advocating, specifically?

Spit it out man. How does that translate to action? It’s easy to throw a tough quote out there.

What are you doing? When you say that, what does it mean you actually want done/to do to “Refresh” the Tree of Liberty?

Genuine on December 17, 2012 at 11:16 PM

One possibility likely to be considered is a ban on high-capacity magazines, the devices attached to firearms that store large numbers of bullets and reload them rapidly.

If Obama bans high-capacity magazines he’ll be giving a huge advantage to violent criminals over law abiding citizens and it will rekindle the Democrats reputation as being soft on crime, if not downright helpful to violent criminals. I don’t think he’ll do it because it won’t make a bit of difference and it will cost the Democrats.

On the other hand the Republican Party is self destructing and poses little if any resistance to the Democrat Party so perhaps they are unconcerned about being regarded as helpful to violent criminals by gimping the guns of law abiding citizens.

FloatingRock on December 17, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Right wing nut jobs like Lanza’s mom have made this country a very dangerous place. Hope you all take a look within.

DBear on December 17, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Right wing nut jobs like Lanza’s mom have made this country a very dangerous place. Hope you all take a look within.

DBear on December 17, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Go play Russian Roulette with a loaded Colt 1911 Douchebear…

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Hope you all take a look within.

DBear on December 17, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Yep, we do. Beware of all the DBears around you. They are the enemies of your freedom. They disregards the constitution and the SC, unless they benefit their Utopian pipe dreams.

Leftists are never truly liberal or free. They are and love tyrants.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 11:21 PM

disregard

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Our Founding Fathers once proclaimed, “When in the course of human affairs…” Perhaps it’s time to give a second look at “Refreshing the Tree of Liberty with the blood of Tyrants”.
SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 10:48 PM

So… What are you actually advocating, specifically?

Spit it out man. How does that translate to action? It’s easy to throw a tough quote out there.

What are you doing? When you say that, what does it mean you actually want done/to do to “Refresh” the Tree of Liberty?

Genuine on December 17, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Apparently pissing you off, which seems like a damned good start.

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 11:22 PM

I saw a pick up today with two stickers:

1. Obama 2012.

2. “I believe in equality”.

Bigger morons the world never knew.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 11:22 PM

The interview between MSNBC’s Soledad & John Lott is a keeper. I kind of like her because she’s honest; she just forthrightly admits to getting a brain-freeze when confronted with an idea that stands outside the left-wing orthodoxy (more guns, less crime), repeating over & over again that her mind just “boggles.” (I know, she intended it as a put-down, but whatever.)

Other MSNBC lib-hosts would try to cover their animal-like incomprehension with some kind of pseudo-sophistication; a challenge to Lott’s credentials, some warmed over Think Progress talking points, etc. But Soledad just outright admits her epistemic closure.

BCrago66 on December 17, 2012 at 11:23 PM

How about commuting Presidents who run thousands of assault weapons to Mexican drug gangs to mental asylums?

VorDaj on December 17, 2012 at 11:23 PM

T

he usual argument on this point is “we need to ramp up our mental health efforts,” but that’s easier said than done. And what we’re really talking about is involuntary detainment and observation of people if they are deemed threatening by “odd behavior.” If you think seeking therapy and mental health treatment is stigmatized now, wait until the government can easily access your mental health records without your consent to determine if you’re a threat to society.

Spoke with my sister tonight. She has spent her entire adult life in the Mental Health arena. She said even if they ramped up the money into mental health it probably wouldn’t change things. In her area there is only one small private hospital that takes MH patients. There just aren’t any beds around. No she doesn’t live in a rural area. She lives in Southern California. Los Angeles County (eastern portion) to be exact.

She also noted that there are no good treatment options for psychopaths, sociopaths and narcissists short of involuntary confinement. i.e. those most likely to commit an atrocity such as what happened on Friday.

chemman on December 17, 2012 at 11:24 PM

we all know the left/media are bad actors. A rational discussion like Dr. K. has is impossible with these people. They are single minded opportunists who just want to pretend their smart, and make sure they are in the IN crowd…and want power over Guns. Nothing else, just that

here’s a rational set of changes that we could talk about

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/335767/five-point-action-plan-president-obama-reduce-violence-mentally-ill-d-j-jaffe#more

but sadly no..it is more fun to wax hysterical for the cameras (like Alex Wagner on msnbc)

but the real story is that there are many categories of gun violence. The rampage is small. But most leftists/libs/media live in urban areas. There is a nightly drone of violence there…right there on their tv…see..it is right there. If it Bleeds it Leads…right there every night.

So left/lib want to control That violence, the nightly gun toll. So this is a handy way to talk about the urban problem…without talking about the urban problem

Nightly gun news is an entirely different category. Just today our local city police IDed a teenager who was killed yesterday…in front of some apartment…someone just walked up and SHOT him…dead

This is why Lemon et al. want to Ban Guns…because they don’t know how to deal with small time hoodlums killing one another. Lib/left don’t have the intellectual or ideology to address these problems…so lets just Ban Guns

r keller on December 17, 2012 at 11:24 PM

How about commuting Presidents who run thousands of assault weapons to Mexican drug gangs to mental asylums?

VorDaj on December 17, 2012 at 11:23 PM

How about extraditing them to Mexico to face hundreds of homicide charges.

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Right wing nut jobs like Lanza’s mom have made this country a very dangerous place. Hope you all take a look within.

DBear on December 17, 2012 at 11:17 PM

I see this having more to do with the emasculation of a troubled young man than anything. Mommy issues, etc. I think he was jealous of the children and that is why he mowed them down.

It had nothing to do with what you call ‘right wing nut jobs.’

You’re full of crap.

Corporal Tunnel on December 17, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Right wing nut jobs like Lanza’s mom have made this country a very dangerous place. Hope you all take a look within.

DBear on December 17, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Pay attention…

The murder rate peaked at 10.2 per 100,000 inhabitants in 1980.

AWB is signed in 1994.

Murder rate per 100,000 inhabitants:

1994: 9.0
1995: 8.2
1996: 7.4
1997: 6.8
1998: 6.3
1999: 5.7
2000: 5.5
2001: 5.6
2002: 5.6
2003: 5.7
2004: 5.5

AWB expired in 2004.

Murder rate per 100,000 inhabitants:

2005: 5.6
2006: 5.7
2007: 5.6
2008: 5.4
2009: 5.0
2010: 4.8
2011: 4.7

CCW laws:

In 1986: 1 state was UNRESTRICTED; 8 had SHALL issue; 26 had MAY issue; and 15 had NO issue.

In 1987: 1 UNRESTRICTED; 9 SHALL Issue; 24 MAY Issue; and 16 NO Issue.

In 1990: 1 UNRESTRICTED; 15 SHALL Issue; 20 MAY Issue; and 14 NO Issue.

In 1994: 1 UNRESTRICTED; 20 SHALL Issue; 17 MAY Issue; and 12 NO Issue.

In 1998: 1 UNRESTRICTED; 30 SHALL Issue; 17 MAY Issue; and 7 NO Issue.

In 2002: 1 UNRESTRICTED; 31 SHALL Issue; 11 MAY Issue; and 7 NO Issue.

In 2009: 2 UNRESTRICTED; 37 SHALL Issue; 9 MAY Issue; and 2 NO Issue.

In 2011: 4 UNRESTRICTED; 37 SHALL Issue; 8 MAY Issue; and 1 NO Issue (Illinois’ ban has just been struck down by the Appellate Court).

According to the Federal government, the murder rate hit a four decade low in 2010 and appears to have further fallen since.It has been falling in correlation to the the increase of CCW. I wonder why???? Hmmmmm….

Gun control laws have the perverse effect of increasing crime because they disarm law-abiding citizens, leaving them defenceless against lawbreakers, who aren’t going to be “controlled” by gun control laws.

Resist We Much on December 17, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Scrumpy on December 17, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Hi Scrumpy.

How’s Sam?

That’s your puppy’s screen name.

His real name is Sparky.

SparkPlug on December 17, 2012 at 11:26 PM

They are just talking out of their asses. Just making things up. Talking about guns like they’ve only heard rumors of them; talking about schools like they are 1000 year projects and, meh, so hard to nail things to; talking about mental health in the same objective terms you’d get from a wine-taster; talking about history like their best-guess has some sort of historical merit.

Shut up. Stop writing. It’s not about your rights; you should be embarrassed. Keep picking you nose and thinking your deep thoughts but stop pretending like what you are doing is anything more than rapping your fingernails on a table and getting off on the look of your own by-line. You’re morons.

Stop pretending to govern. This isn’t the planet of the apes and you are a bunch of glorified baboons. No one is impressed by your stupid hand signals. Say something intelligent; do something intelligent; or go home and let your families treat you like you are important so the rest of us don’t have to endure your embarrassing and degrading preening. You’re morons.

Axe on December 17, 2012 at 11:26 PM

This guy has a question for the Magical Thinking folks like DBear…actually, two.

Resist We Much on December 17, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Right Left wing nut jobs like Lanza’s Malia’s mom dad have made this country a very dangerous place. I need to take a look within.

DBear on December 17, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Bishop on December 17, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Right wing nut jobs like Lanza’s mom have made this country a very dangerous place. Hope you all take a look within.

DBear on December 17, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Somebody stop Lanza’s mom before she runs thousand of assault weapons to murderous drug gangs!

VorDaj on December 17, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Anyone been able to ascertain how the leftist on this site plan to protect their rights?

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Genuine on December 17, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 11:27 PM

One of the answers to all of this is right in front of our faces…

“Why Israel Has No Newtowns”

… but we can’t have THAT now, can we?

Seven Percent Solution on December 17, 2012 at 10:49 PM

While I heartily accept the premise, I have to point out that all Israeli schools have an armed guard standing by the school gate. Not a donut-stuffed suburban cop reading Penthouse in his parked car, but an Army-trained, able-bodied, gun-carrying individual who knows damn well when and how to unholster.

Archivarix on December 17, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Most murders are committed by Obama voters.

SparkPlug on December 17, 2012 at 11:27 PM

. Hope you all take a look within.

DBear on December 17, 2012 at 11:17 PM

…when you look in the mirror…you are the only homosapien that can can accurately describe what an actual POS looks like!

KOOLAID2 on December 17, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Anyone been able to ascertain how the leftist on this site plan to protect their rights?

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Who cares? I hope the muzzies chop their heads off. It w/b hilarious to watch a few.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Anyone been able to ascertain how the leftist on this site plan to protect their rights?

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 11:27 PM

I think they will wear a yellow ribbon to bring awareness to the red pin on their lapel.

SparkPlug on December 17, 2012 at 11:29 PM

DBear on December 17, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Come to the my county there hasn’t been a murder in 5 years yet nearly all households have multiple semi-automatic weapons. There hasn’t been a armed bank robbery in that period of time either. I feel quite safe here other than the critters (rattle snakes, bears, mountain lions)and even they don’t try to take my rights away like you do. So what is this dangerous place you speak of? Oh yeah, its those progressive cities with strict gun control laws that don’t seem to work.

chemman on December 17, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Good dogs

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Anyone been able to ascertain how the leftist on this site plan to protect their rights?

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 11:27 PM

By following and harassing the children of GOP governors at school sporting events.

Either that or cold-cocking people who disagree with them.

Bishop on December 17, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Evening friend. I just find it telling, none of them throughout the day have answered this simple question. The other question they can’t seem to face is what is the proper amount of cartridges to have magazines designed for. Five, perhaps, they either don’t know or won’t say. Very telling.

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Yesterday, libfreeordie posted a link from someone that had tweeted this:

“In 1996, there was a shooting at a primary school in Scotland. 16 children ages 5-6 were killed, along with one teacher. The following year, the UK banned the private ownership of all cartridge ammunition handguns, regardless of calibre. There have been no school shootings since.”

Have you taken a look at what happened to the overall crime rate in the UK after gun bans went into effect? Gun crime increased by 89% between 1998 and 2009. In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold. In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled. The Metropolitan Police now has replaced some of the famously unarmed “Bobbies” with armed patrols on some streets and officers armed with “sub-machine guns” are engaged in routine policing for the first time.

From the BBC in 2001:

A new study suggests the use of handguns in crime rose by 40% in the two years after the weapons were banned.

The research, commissioned by the Countryside Alliance’s Campaign for Shooting, has concluded that existing laws are targeting legitimate users of firearms rather than criminals.

The ban on ownership of handguns was introduced in 1997 as a result of the Dunblane massacre, when Thomas Hamilton opened fire at a primary school leaving 16 children and their teacher dead.

But the report suggests that despite the restrictions on ownership the use of handguns in crime is rising.

The Centre for Defence Studies at Kings College in London, which carried out the research, said the number of crimes in which a handgun was reported increased from 2,648 in 1997/98 to 3,685 in 1999/2000.

It also said there was no link between high levels of gun crime and areas where there were still high levels of lawful gun possession.

Of the 20 police areas with the lowest number of legally held firearms, 10 had an above average level of gun crime.

And of the 20 police areas with the highest levels of legally held guns only two had armed crime levels above the average.

The campaign’s director, David Bredin, said: “It is crystal clear from the research that the existing gun laws do not lead to crime reduction and a safer place.

From The Telegraph in 2003:

Since the Government’s “total ban” five years ago, there are more and more guns being used by more and more criminals in more and more crimes. Now, in the wake of Birmingham’s New Year bloodbath, there are calls for the total ban to be made even more total: if the gangs refuse to obey the existing laws, we’ll just pass more laws for them not to obey. According to a UN survey from last month, England and Wales now have the highest crime rate of the world’s 20 leading nations. One can query the methodology of the survey while still recognising the peculiar genius by which British crime policy has wound up with every indicator going haywire – draconian gun control plus vastly increased gun violence plus stratospheric property crime.”

Gun control laws have the perverse effect of increasing crime because they disarm law-abiding citizens, leaving them defenceless against lawbreakers, who aren’t going to be “controlled” by gun control laws.

Ban Guns, Increase Gun Crime!

Resist We Much on December 17, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Anyone been able to ascertain how the leftist on this site plan to protect their rights?

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 11:27 PM

I think they will wear a yellow ribbon to bring awareness to the red pin on their lapel.

SparkPlug on December 17, 2012 at 11:29 PM

I suggest they wear the said ribbon on their necks. One tug for a man, one less liberal vote for the mankind.

Archivarix on December 17, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Yesterday, libfreeordie posted a link from someone that had tweeted this:

“In 1996, there was a shooting at a primary school in Scotland. 16 children ages 5-6 were killed, along with one teacher. The following year, the UK banned the private ownership of all cartridge ammunition handguns, regardless of calibre. There have been no school shootings since.”

Have you taken a look at what happened to the overall crime rate in the UK after gun bans went into effect? Gun crime increased by 89% between 1998 and 2009. In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold. In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled. The Metropolitan Police now has replaced some of the famously unarmed “Bobbies” with armed patrols on some streets and officers armed with “sub-machine guns” are engaged in routine policing for the first time.

From the BBC in 2001:

A new study suggests the use of handguns in crime rose by 40% in the two years after the weapons were banned.

The research, commissioned by the Countryside Alliance’s Campaign for Shooting, has concluded that existing laws are targeting legitimate users of firearms rather than criminals.

The ban on ownership of handguns was introduced in 1997 as a result of the Dunblane massacre, when Thomas Hamilton opened fire at a primary school leaving 16 children and their teacher dead.

But the report suggests that despite the restrictions on ownership the use of handguns in crime is rising.

The Centre for Defence Studies at Kings College in London, which carried out the research, said the number of crimes in which a handgun was reported increased from 2,648 in 1997/98 to 3,685 in 1999/2000.

It also said there was no link between high levels of gun crime and areas where there were still high levels of lawful gun possession.

Of the 20 police areas with the lowest number of legally held firearms, 10 had an above average level of gun crime.

And of the 20 police areas with the highest levels of legally held guns only two had armed crime levels above the average.

The campaign’s director, David Bredin, said: “It is crystal clear from the research that the existing gun laws do not lead to crime reduction and a safer place.

From The Telegraph in 2003:

Since the Government’s “total ban” five years ago, there are more and more guns being used by more and more criminals in more and more crimes. Now, in the wake of Birmingham’s New Year bloodbath, there are calls for the total ban to be made even more total: if the gangs refuse to obey the existing laws, we’ll just pass more laws for them not to obey. According to a UN survey from last month, England and Wales now have the highest crime rate of the world’s 20 leading nations. One can query the methodology of the survey while still recognising the peculiar genius by which British crime policy has wound up with every indicator going haywire – draconian gun control plus vastly increased gun violence plus stratospheric property crime.”

Gun control laws have the perverse effect of increasing crime because they disarm law-abiding citizens, leaving them defenceless against lawbreakers, who aren’t going to be “controlled” by gun control laws.

Resist We Much on December 17, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Bishop on December 17, 2012 at 11:31 PM

In that case, shallow graves will suffice.

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Evening friend. I just find it telling, none of them throughout the day have answered this simple question. The other question they can’t seem to face is what is the proper amount of cartridges to have magazines designed for. Five, perhaps, they either don’t know or won’t say. Very telling.

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 11:31 PM

They are afraid to tell you the number they have in mind, because they aren’t actually smart enough to grasp, that yes…Zero is a number.

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 11:31 PM

They’re just stupid all the while claiming to be ‘enlightened’ and ‘egalitarian’.

In the meanwhile they fail at studying nature, survival and the basics of life. Let them.

Ah, but we are the rube. I love it when they think so.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Far be it for me to suggest ways for people to act but lets have a permanent trollcot. Libfreeordie, Dbear, Sesquipud et al don’t want to debate— they want to inflame.

I asked libfree to talk about the expired AWB on Fri after he brought it up. For a professor his Socratic skills be lacking.

arnold ziffel on December 17, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Who cares? I hope the muzzies chop their heads off. It w/b hilarious to watch a few.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 11:28 PM

gotta love the good christian folk at hot air! the nation is grieving these beautiful children and you sick people are fantasizing about beheadings, religious war and stockpiling more weapons of destruction.

DBear on December 17, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Right wing nut jobs like Lanza’s mom have made this country a very dangerous place. Hope you all take a look within.

DBear on December 17, 2012 at 11:17 PM

.
No faith in humanity, huh?

listens2glenn on December 17, 2012 at 11:36 PM

canopfor on December 17, 2012 at 10:55 PM

It is a start…

… it works, and it is everything opposite of the Left’s ideology.

Seven Percent Solution on December 17, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Seven Percent Solution:

Sorry for the late response,was busy sending in tips on the
latest Fiscal Cliff,anywho,it makes one wonder at the Lefts
agenda!:)

canopfor on December 17, 2012 at 11:36 PM

DBear on December 17, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Who said anything about Christians. How will you protect your rights DBear? What is the correct number of rounds for a magazine?

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Who cares? I hope the muzzies chop their heads off. It w/b hilarious to watch a few.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 11:28 PM

gotta love the good christian folk at hot air! the nation is grieving these beautiful children and you sick people are fantasizing about beheadings, religious war and stockpiling more weapons of destruction.

DBear on December 17, 2012 at 11:35 PM

No, we are doing something called facing reality. “All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing” As for you losing your head to an angry Muslim, well, his nic isn’t Schadenfreude for nothing.

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 11:40 PM

DBear on December 17, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Who said anything about Christians. How will you protect your rights DBear? What is the correct number of rounds for a magazine?

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 11:38 PM

DoucheBear aint to bright, it don’t understand, “A right you cannot exercise is a right you do not have”. It don’t understand what a “Right” is or where “Rights” originate, so your questions are hurting it’s poor little head.

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Who said anything about Christians. How will you protect your rights DBear? What is the correct number of rounds for a magazine?

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 11:38 PM

I am saying you are all bloodthirsty, war-mongering evil people who cloak yourselves in your phony religion to somehow be able to live with yourselves. The reason you all want to carry guns so bad? because you are all psychopaths just wanting, waning to kill someone

DBear on December 17, 2012 at 11:42 PM

gotta love the good christian folk at hot air! the nation is grieving these beautiful children and you sick people are fantasizing about beheadings, religious war and stockpiling more weapons of destruction.

DBear on December 17, 2012 at 11:35 PM

DBear:

Oh how very thoughtful,of your Superiority I care more than you
Holier Than Thou Stance!

The Children,are getting used/abused by the LEFT/MSM,in this/there
NeverEnding Media Prostitution of GUN CONTROL!!

canopfor on December 17, 2012 at 11:43 PM

gotta love the good christian folk at hot air! the nation is grieving these beautiful children and you sick people are fantasizing about beheadings, religious war and stockpiling more weapons of destruction.

DBear on December 17, 2012 at 11:35 PM

I don’t think he was serious, why do you?

Corporal Tunnel on December 17, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Anyone been able to ascertain how the leftist on this site plan to protect their rights?

Bmore on December 17, 2012 at 11:27 PM

actually this was addressed in the jeffrey goldberg piece in the Atlantic…Goldberg thinks people should be able to defend themselves if needed.

the anti-Gun people? Not so much. Their defense would to be to throw stuff at the aggressor..or ‘play dead’. This article is long…but well worth the read (if you haven’t yet)

there are basic cognitive/emotional differences between the pro- and anti-gun crowd. That is why Soledad’s mind boggles…it is literally boggling (i imagine that is must feel like seasickness) …lib/leftists can not imagine another world view

scary actually.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/12/the-case-for-more-guns-and-more-gun-control/309161/

r keller on December 17, 2012 at 11:44 PM

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