Obama, Boehner meet at the White House over new cliff-deal proposals?

posted at 2:31 pm on December 17, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

Christmas is only one week away, and the clock is winding down on the fiscal cliff. Over the weekend, Speaker Boehner reportedly offered some concessions to President Obama in the vein of tax hikes on actual millionaires and a temporary debt-ceiling hike, in exchange for some entitlement reforms — and as Ed summarized this morning, it may be the case that the White House is actually, sincerely ready to come to some king of agreement based on the new GOP offer.

The back-and-forth at least seems to be going on at a more rapid rate than it has since the election, anyway. Could this mean there’s an honest-to-goodness deal in the works? Maybe we aren’t necessarily headed over the cliff after all, but they’re all playing keeping their cards close to the vest:

House Speaker John A. Boehner and President Barack Obama met at the White House on Monday for another negotiating session on the fiscal cliff amid growing optimism that they can reach a deal to avoid the tax increases and automatic spending cuts due to take effect in a little more than two weeks.

It was the third face-to-face meeting between Boehner and Obama in the past eight days, and the first since word that Boehner had broken his stance against tax rate increases, offering to allow rates to rise on earnings over $1 million.

White House spokesman Jay Carney said in his daily briefing that “conversations continue” without elaborating on anything that was discussed at the 45-minute negotiating session late Monday morning. A Boehner spokesman also declined to offer any specifics.

Even if a cliff-deal is actually happening and President Obama and Speaker Boehner do reach some type of an agreement, there’s still the challenge of cobbling together some succinct, acceptable legislation and getting it through both chambers of Congress. That’s the mega-task that may be even more difficult:

Christmas may be out, but… before New Years? Maybe? Anyone?


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Spank me some more, Barry!

/Boehner

CurtZHP on December 17, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Obama wants to go over the cliff.

Boehner will have to make an offer that’s more appealing to Obama than: taxes going up on everyone, cuts to defense spending and the GOP getting all the blame in the media.

gwelf on December 17, 2012 at 2:35 PM

Bo(eh)ned again.

Get used to saying Speaker Pelosi, and I have a feeling it will happen before 2015.

Steve Eggleston on December 17, 2012 at 2:35 PM

How is “compromising” and coming up with a deal that accepts EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OBAMAS premises better than “going over the fiscal cliff?” And since HotAir is now the official spokesblog of the RNC, I’m hoping you can address this in a later post so all of us plebes can know the official party line.

And, uh, Erika, I thought you had a ideological and deep felt belief that tax increases hurt economic growth and will not increase revenue to washington anywhere near as much as the central planners think. At least that seemed to be your position during the election. Why would we want to divorce the marginal rate for “high earners” even more from current tax structure then it currently is?

Wouldn’t putting a huge (effective) marginal tax rate increase on incomes of $1million plus cause people and businesses to aim to only earn 999,999$ a year?

Exhausting.

You know what I want to see? Everyone at Hotair explain to us in detailed terms how economics work. I’m very very curious what we’d learn from that.

Timin203 on December 17, 2012 at 2:38 PM

I heard the NHL and players were talking today too. I’m on the edge of my chair.

forest on December 17, 2012 at 2:39 PM

They can agree on whatever they want, but the fact remains it still has to pass the Us House of Representatives and the US Senate.

MoreLiberty on December 17, 2012 at 2:40 PM

Bo(eh)ned again.

Get used to saying Speaker Pelosi, and I have a feeling it will happen before 2015.

Steve Eggleston on December 17, 2012 at 2:35 PM

I’m DONE with the republican party. Absolutely done. Boehner knows damn well he just screwed anyone who believes in Hayekian economics from ever making the case for it for the next ten years.

he accepted the premise that higher marginal rates on high earners will increase revenues to washington and help close the deficit.

I’m REALLY starting to think that the dems are right — republicans have no reason for being against high taxes other then buying votes by promising people they will owe less to the IRS at the end of the year.

Otherwise I can’t explain how everyone could so easily and quickly walk away from such a deep felt belief involving austrian economics (or even supply side!) and the laffer curve. I don’t think any of the republicans in leadership even understand the concepts, let alone believe it. It just focus grouped well before the elections.

Timin203 on December 17, 2012 at 2:41 PM

Dec 31 at 11pm

cmsinaz on December 17, 2012 at 2:43 PM

At least s**t sandwiches are cheap.

docflash on December 17, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Obama wants to go over the cliff.

Boehner will have to make an offer that’s more appealing to Obama than: taxes going up on everyone, cuts to defense spending and the GOP getting all the blame in the media.

gwelf on December 17, 2012 at 2:35 PM

Don’t forget that whether or not Obama / Boehner come up with a last minute “compromise” to “avoid the cliff,” Obama has already won his biggest political objection at all: Boehner has agreed that tax hikes on “the rich” will “help to close the deficit.” If Republicans pass a package with any tax increases that THEY PROPOSED, they lose. There truly is no difference between dems and republicans on tax and spending.

Timin203 on December 17, 2012 at 2:45 PM

We get to keep mum. Everything else goes.

The Rogue Tomato on December 17, 2012 at 2:46 PM

it may be the case that the White House is actually, sincerely ready to come to some king of agreement based on the new GOP offer

.

Is this the same offer that the WH has already rejected according to Drudge?

katiejane on December 17, 2012 at 2:47 PM

I know, he should tell Obama that he will raise the millionaire tax over the Bush cut amount, but also do all the cuts and the raising of the other taxes.

But, he should do it on national television so we can see the President’s face.

LoganSix on December 17, 2012 at 2:48 PM

I’m confused though. Can anyone help me out?

Which one is Thelma?
And which one is Louise?

LegendHasIt on December 17, 2012 at 2:49 PM

bho(I won) has won and has the r’s forever under his thumb? As Rush said awhile ago, bho wants the cliff and will not agree with anything boehner give him? The r’s will get the blame and bho is laughing his fool head off that he pulled this off?
L

letget on December 17, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Sorry – it was the Daily Caller that said the WH had rejected the offer – not Drudge.

katiejane on December 17, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Get ride of Boehner. Can’t add.

Raise debt limit by 2T, 3T, 4T today but cuts of 2T, 3T, 4T over 10 years…..

Sure that equates……new math.

What an idiot……oh and by the way raise taxes on those over $1M. Extend Unemployment payments….sure, more Food Stamps…..sure……

Good luck getting the support of your caucus.

Rating Agencies are not stupid. Congress is. Downgrade in January.

Starlink on December 17, 2012 at 2:43 PM

He only needs 25 others this year and 17 next year (assuming full attendance and no “Present”s).

Steve Eggleston on December 17, 2012 at 2:53 PM

We’re screwed no matter what we do. Remember how many promises the great promiser has kept? Slim to none. I would trust the man as much as I’d trust a snake oil salesman, because that’s exactly what he is.

scalleywag on December 17, 2012 at 2:54 PM

How does Boehner keep such an even tan? By rolling over all the time.

rayra on December 17, 2012 at 2:55 PM

Protect your wallets and your azzes.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 2:56 PM

Put a stake through the GOP. The sooner the better. I’d rather have nothing at this point, i.e., to start from zero.

rrpjr on December 17, 2012 at 2:57 PM

I’m confused though. Can anyone help me out?

Which one is Thelma?
And which one is Louise?

LegendHasIt on December 17, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Did you ever see Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid? There was a great scene where Butch finally wheedles Sundance into jumping off a cliff with him, so as to escape a posse. In that case our guy is the scared one, since he can’t swim and he’s about to plunge into a fast growing river of debt at the bottom of the cliff.

MTF on December 17, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Total load of crap…nothing will help or fix this situation…

We’ve go over the line….period…

PatriotRider on December 17, 2012 at 2:59 PM

This just in from Mark Knoller – “And Carney says Pres Obama stands by tax rate hike for top 2% at $250K and above, even as Boehner offering deal on $1million & above.”

Steve Eggleston on December 17, 2012 at 2:59 PM

So, what are the odds of Boehner losing his speakership over this? Seems that this plus his purge of the committees might lead to some widespread dissension in the ranks.

AZfederalist on December 17, 2012 at 3:06 PM

rayra on December 17, 2012 at 2:55 PM

+1

JDF123 on December 17, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Oh boy is this great!

/

Even if a cliff-deal is actually happening and President Obama and Speaker Boehner do reach some type of an agreement, there’s still the challenge of cobbling together some succinct, acceptable legislation and getting it through both chambers of Congress. That’s the mega-task that may be even more difficult:

c’mon Erika? Really? Don’t think for a minute that they won’t take six blank notebooks, slap a name like the P.R.O.S.P.E.R.I.T.Y. act on it and call it a day.

Lost in Jersey on December 17, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Dear Lord. Scooter will steal money from our wallets by the dark of night. Again.

kingsjester on December 17, 2012 at 3:08 PM

MTF on December 17, 2012 at 2:58 PM

I can’t swim!

Are you crazy? the Fall will probably kill you.

LegendHasIt on December 17, 2012 at 3:09 PM

While they will continue to hassle, Mr. Obama now has another fight to engage in, and since he has the basic concession of a higher tax rate, in my opinion, he will negotiate hard but with the objective of trying to settle before the end of the year. A tax and spend issue, along with a sinking economy, would interfere with trying to negotiate a change in gun laws, and this is where he will want to concentrate. Long term goal of ‘changing America,’ you know.

A.S.R. on December 17, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Maybe if Boehner agreed to ban all those semi-automatic weapons that shoot 30 rounds a second he’d have more leverage. Go for it! s/
Wait, it might work…

tomg51 on December 17, 2012 at 3:11 PM

So, what are the odds of Boehner losing his speakership over this? Seems that this plus his purge of the committees might lead to some widespread dissension in the ranks.

AZfederalist on December 17, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Are you talking in 2013 or 2015? There is no official challenger to Bo(eh)ner’s right, and by targeting only 4, he’s hoping there aren’t 17 mad enough to leave him off their ballot.

Steve Eggleston on December 17, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Does Boehner take his knee pads when he heads over to the White House for these meetings?

karenhasfreedom on December 17, 2012 at 3:13 PM

Buck Foehner.

Mr. Arrogant on December 17, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Don’t want a deal at this point; better to have no deal and let the Dems own it that any deal that has GOP fingerprints on it.

But, the GOP have proven time and again how political inept they are, which is a bad combination given that they don’t really seem to believe in non-liberal ideology anyway.

Why do we have a GOP again?

Neither team really has a handle on what’s needed; there’s 2 seconds left in the fourth quarter, the libs just scored and are going for a two-point conversion, the GOP is promising to not even defend if the libs will only kick a single point-after, and what’s needed is a blocked kick/interception, run back all the way for a touchdown that’s somehow worth 16trillion+ points.

F*ck both teams. Let it burn.

Midas on December 17, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Are you talking in 2013 or 2015? There is no official challenger to Bo(eh)ner’s right, and by targeting only 4, he’s hoping there aren’t 17 mad enough to leave him off their ballot.

Steve Eggleston on December 17, 2012 at 3:11 PM

My thought was 2013. While he only targeted 4 on the committees, it was my understanding was that there were veiled threats that “there could be more” if the rest didn’t fall in line. Couple that with caving on raising taxes and this could lead to a leadership fight. Particularly for those who would feel vulnerable in 2014.

AZfederalist on December 17, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Does Boehner take his knee pads when he heads over to the White House for these meetings?

karenhasfreedom on December 17, 2012 at 3:13 PM

Barry White is played in the background. Michelle is in the garden chasing squirrels. It’s all good.

Oil Can on December 17, 2012 at 3:24 PM

I’m confused though. Can anyone help me out?

Which one is Thelma?
And which one is Louise?

LegendHasIt on December 17, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Obama is Louise. Boehner is Thelma.

Louise is driving when Thelma says, “Let’s do it. Let’s keep going.” Louise then asks, “Are you sure?” and Thelma nodds in agreement.

Fallon on December 17, 2012 at 3:25 PM

So, what are the odds of Boehner losing his speakership over this? Seems that this plus his purge of the committees might lead to some widespread dissension in the ranks.

AZfederalist on December 17, 2012 at 3:06 PM

The election for Speaker is January 3rd, 2013

Get ahold of your Rep and let him/her know how you want them to vote.

Just click on your state, here:

http://www.gop.gov/republicans

Fallon on December 17, 2012 at 3:29 PM

I guess Boehner doesn’t want to be called bad names by the ‘press’…

… That’s more important than saddling our children with Trillions and Trillions of debt.

You know, “the children“…?

… I hear they’ve been in the news lately.

Seven Percent Solution on December 17, 2012 at 3:34 PM

My thought was 2013. While he only targeted 4 on the committees, it was my understanding was that there were veiled threats that “there could be more” if the rest didn’t fall in line. Couple that with caving on raising taxes and this could lead to a leadership fight. Particularly for those who would feel vulnerable in 2014.

AZfederalist on December 17, 2012 at 3:20 PM

I suspect one of the “veiled” threats was that, if Bo(eh)ner wasn’t re-elected as Speaker, he and his “leadership” team would vote for Pelosi instead of any Pubbie challenger.

Given I’m hard-pressed to tell the difference, I say call their bluff.

Steve Eggleston on December 17, 2012 at 3:34 PM

Just click on your state, here:

http://www.gop.gov/republicans

Fallon on December 17, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Thanks. Good information.

AZfederalist on December 17, 2012 at 3:36 PM

I suspect one of the “veiled” threats was that, if Bo(eh)ner wasn’t re-elected as Speaker, he and his “leadership” team would vote for Pelosi instead of any Pubbie challenger.

Given I’m hard-pressed to tell the difference, I say call their bluff.

Steve Eggleston on December 17, 2012 at 3:34 PM

You know, years ago, I would have taken that as severe sarcasm. After what we’ve witnessed in the past 6 to 8 years; I’m afraid that you might be right.

AZfederalist on December 17, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Obama, Boehner meet at the White House over new cliff-deal proposals?

He took his knee pads, what else do you need to know? Bonehead Boehner should offer Obama all the tax increases Obama’s heart desires on the condition that every elected politician in America receives a 100 percent tax statues forever. Bonehead Boehner is a coward and a Marxist useless imbecile.

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Sent Boehner a respectful “please rescind your tax hike offer – otherwise you are by default saying you agree that tax hikes can even remotely address the ‘spending problem’ you correctly said was the problem the other day – don’t lose the argument before its even really begun by accepting the wrong-headed lib ‘tax hike’ premise”.

I know it won’t change anything, but… it is what it is.

Midas on December 17, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Why is there a “gag order” on the talks between Thelma and Louise?

Fallon on December 17, 2012 at 4:02 PM

You know, years ago, I would have taken that as severe sarcasm. After what we’ve witnessed in the past 6 to 8 years; I’m afraid that you might be right.

AZfederalist on December 17, 2012 at 3:37 PM

I thought the same thing. At first, I laughed and then I recoiled in horror.

Fallon on December 17, 2012 at 4:05 PM

You know, years ago, I would have taken that as severe sarcasm. After what we’ve witnessed in the past 6 to 8 years; I’m afraid that you might be right.

AZfederalist on December 17, 2012 at 3:37 PM

So did I, then I remembered the coups against Newt Gingrich and the actions of Bo(eh)ner’s team.

Steve Eggleston on December 17, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Hey, since there’s no thread for this: I did mention it earlier, & it does deal with fiscal policy.
Just don’t click on the link if you haven’t yet eaten dinner; it may make you nauseous.
Here’s a progressive Senator from Alaska, Mark Begich, elated & bragging about the $200 million pork fest he’s bringing home to secure his voting block via the Sandy Scam bill.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/senator-pleased-include-200-million-pork-projects-sandy-bill_689927.html

Belle on December 17, 2012 at 5:43 PM

So does this mean still no budget from Demon Senators of the Majority Ruling party ?

FlaMurph on December 17, 2012 at 5:47 PM

yes, FlaMurph, no budget, just pork & more stimulus.
2014 House flips Demon, Queen gets her gavel, 1 party rule.
Now, give me some good news.
Oh, okay, we still live!

Belle on December 17, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Does Boehner take his knee pads when he heads over to the White House for these meetings?

karenhasfreedom on December 17, 2012 at 3:13 PM

…yes!…but he does use rubber gloves!

KOOLAID2 on December 17, 2012 at 11:37 PM

If Republicans have finger prints on this so called deal, they are toast!
No Republican votes Period!

Delsa on December 18, 2012 at 12:37 AM