Jay Carney: Gun control is part of the solution but far from all of it

posted at 4:11 pm on December 17, 2012 by Allahpundit

Via Mediaite. Carney usually looks uncomfortable to the point of constipation but I’m still surprised to see him so ill at ease and noncommittal in talking about this. Obama has the political wind at his back. Per ABC, 54 percent of adults now say they favor stricter gun-control laws, which is a bit higher (but only a bit) than polls have shown over the past five years. Longtime pro-gun Democrats like Harry Reid, Joe Manchin, and Mark Warner are chattering about a change of heart, no doubt in part because they’re afraid to cross a guy who just won 330+ electoral votes at a moment of high national emotion. If ever there was a time to pound the podium, this is it.

So why the conspicuous hedge? Probably because the White House knows that the public backlash to guns after mass shootings, at least until now, has been fleeting. O’s afraid to dive headfirst into the gun-control pool until he’s sure there’s some water in there. (That’s what all the “tipping point”/”this time is different” rhetoric from liberals was about this weekend.) But if even pro-gun Dems are giving him political cover, what does he have to lose by pushing the issue as hard as he can and daring Senate Republicans to filibuster whatever emerges? All that’s left of the Hopenchange brand is the idea that the GOP is scary and evil and loves rich people and dead children. That message got this guy re-elected; no sense to give up on it now. At the very least, if he can force a party-line vote in which Republicans filibuster a Democratic gun-control bill banning, say, high-capacity magazines, he might make enough GOP senators uncomfortable about being boxed in on that issue that they’ll try to compromise on other issues that are more important to him. If he’s lucky, depending upon how restrained the eventual Democratic bill is, he might even attract enough Republicans to get to 60. Murkowski can usually be counted on to cross the GOP in a pinch; Collins is a perennial wild card too. Those two, plus the increased number of Democrats in the next Congress will get him close if he can hold the Democratic caucus together. A new assault-weapons ban like Feinstein is proposing may be a bridge too far for Reid, Manchin, et al., but something more modest might be viable. Then, if it gets through, the House will torpedo it and Obama can get back to his scary-evil-Republican messaging, which might earn him an extra concession or two on immigration or the budget or whatever.

Incidentally, a data point from that ABC poll linked above:

You see now why the Journal thinks high-capacity magazines are a likely starting point for a new gun-control bill. Look at the other two results, though. Adults overwhelmingly oppose a total ban on guns but they marginally support a ban on semiautomatics, even though semiautomatics make up the vast, vast majority of guns. Per Tim Carney’s post this morning, talking about “semiautomatic weapons” is like talking about “gasoline cars.” That’s how common they are. If the public opposes those and yet also opposes a blanket prohibition on guns, it’s likely because some chunk of them is confused about what a “semiautomatic” actually is and does. Which is another way of saying that when you read opinion polls on this topic, take the results with a grain or two of salt.

Exit question: Jeff Greenfield argues that the immediate aftermath of a horrendous attack is precisely the right time to start a policy debate over solutions. Okay, but does that logic apply to acts of terrorism too? I know people on both the left and right who think that creating TSA and passing the Patriot Act in a flurry of Do-Something concern after 9/11 proved to be a panicky, ill-considered response to the attack that hasn’t done much to improve safety. Second look at the Do-Something approach, then?


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Jeff Greenfield feeding on carrion.

On Carney and Obama, Goebbels wet himself in his grave, again. Every time any of them speak, they lie.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Expect a lot of activism with marginal policy changes. The goal is not ban weapons, but to empower Democrats to continue the wealth transfers that define the left wing machine.

rob verdi on December 17, 2012 at 4:18 PM

If ever there was a time to pound the podium, this is it.

Political carrion-consuming vultures. May they all go to Hades, pronto.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 4:18 PM

Gun control is part of the solution but far from all of it

“We need 50,000 new administrators to manage a new program of (re)education.”

belad on December 17, 2012 at 4:18 PM

People completely don’t understand the meaning of the word “semi-automatic”. They still think we’re talking about Matrix-style machine pistols.

In TV and movies, EVERYone has an automatic weapon (even if it’s just burst-fire). In the real world, practically NO ONE can fire more than one bullet at a time.

The Schaef on December 17, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Exit answer – For the Left, Disaster Dumpster Diving is to be practiced whenever, and only, when it is to their advantage.

Steve Eggleston on December 17, 2012 at 4:19 PM

GOP of offer no opposition. Gang of 14 all over again.

Oil Can on December 17, 2012 at 4:19 PM

So Obama and others have raised expectations. Can they deliver? To pull this off in the gun area, the president is going to have to tackle every issue associated with these heinous crimes: gun laws, our gun culture, mental health, the de-sensitization of violence thanks to Hollywood and video game makers, and of course parental responsibility. If it’s a LARGER policy discussion, it’s much harder for the most ardent NRA-supporting lawmaker to walk away.

Obama was out the door when the word “responsibility” was uttered.

J_Crater on December 17, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Please define “gun control”.

In my line of work we try very hard to use non-specific words that offer people the chance to interpret meaning for themselves.

Charlemagne on December 17, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Contact the NRA and tell them to get on the stick. This is what WE PAY THEM FOR!

Mr. Arrogant on December 17, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Please define “gun control”.

In my line of work we try very hard to use non-specific words that offer people the chance to interpret meaning for themselves.

Charlemagne on December 17, 2012 at 4:20 PM

I meant NOT to use.

Charlemagne on December 17, 2012 at 4:20 PM

“The answer to evil men with guns is not to disarm the good. It is to arm the good, so they can protect the innocent.”…

PatriotRider on December 17, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Is he talking a ‘Final’ solution?

Innocents Betrayed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAU9AJfttls&feature=player_detailpage

Around 58 minutes long, but well worth watching – a detailed examination of what has happened in the past after leftist oppressive governments have instituted gun registration followed by confiscation and the inevitable murder of unarmed peoples.

Galt2009 on December 17, 2012 at 4:23 PM

More gun control might be the start, but it is by no means the be all and end all of liberty crushing regulation that the government should put into place as a result of this unpreventable tragedy.

besser tot als rot on December 17, 2012 at 4:24 PM

Boy bho/team are going to milk this thing till the teat is dry? They want this and this is just the tip of the iceberg if they get their wish?
L

letget on December 17, 2012 at 4:24 PM

Use horrific events to drive public policy?

It’s time we revisited abortion then in light of Hermit Gosnell.

Right lefties?

gwelf on December 17, 2012 at 4:25 PM

32% in Favor of New Gun Control Laws
49% in Favor of Enforcing Existing Gun Control Laws

http://www.langerresearch.com/uploads/1145a1GunControl.pdf

So much for….it’s time.

sentinelrules on December 17, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Okay, but in that case, does that logic apply to acts of terrorism too?

Meh, look how ‘quickly’ Obama and his stupid cohort reacted to Ft. Hood, where due to PC the Soldiers were not armed.

Also, after Eduard Kennedy killed a woman with a care, none of the leftist tyrannical hyenas asked for banning cars.

Have they asked to ban airplanes, except for those owned by conservative fat cats?

May hypocrisy devour you all, and yours too. Media, you don’t deserve to live/work freely any longer.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Jay Carney: Gun control is part of the solution but far from all of it

Translation: We’re not only going to take your guns away, we’re going to take your ammo, too.

UltimateBob on December 17, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Did Carney mention a gun control policy that would have actually prevented the massacre?

gwelf on December 17, 2012 at 4:26 PM

People completely don’t understand the meaning of the word “semi-automatic”. They still think we’re talking about Matrix-style machine pistols.

The Schaef on December 17, 2012 at 4:19 PM

I had to explain to friends/family 4 times this weekend what “semi-automatic” is and what the “assault weapon” ban really was. They had no clue, by the time I explained it to the last friend I’m sure I was dripping with frustration at the lack of knowledge but how that didn’t prevent people from sounding off.

Not to mention the fact that people seem to think it take 5mins to load a new magazine in a gun.

Have to educate people one at a time since the media isn’t doing their job.

nextgen_repub on December 17, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Adults overwhelmingly oppose a total ban on guns but they marginally support a ban on semiautomatics, even though semiautomatics make up the vast, vast majority of guns. Per Tim Carney’s post this morning, talking about “semiautomatic weapons” is like talking about “gasoline cars.” That’s how common they are. If the public opposes those and yet also opposes a blanket prohibition on guns, it’s likely because some chunk of them is confused about what a “semiautomatic” actually is and does.

In other words, we’ve got a bunch of low information morons out there and the Dems are hoping to capitalize on their ignorance. The GOP would be wise to not play along as their base is likely far more knowledgeable about guns and will punish them at the ballot box for trashing the 2nd amendment.

Doughboy on December 17, 2012 at 4:28 PM

How many people died from this as opposed to say … the Obama administration running guns to Mexican cartels? Maybe we need to do something about that first?

besser tot als rot on December 17, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Hopefully Public School Control and Democrat Voter Control and Teacher Union Control are also part of the “solution”.

Jeddite on December 17, 2012 at 4:28 PM

We need common sense ink control. No one needs more ink than what you get in a single ballpoint pen. And we should do something about the office supply store loophole, too.

Mr. D on December 17, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Exit answer – For the Left, Disaster Dumpster Diving is to be practiced whenever, and only, when it is to their advantage.

Steve Eggleston on December 17, 2012 at 4:19 PM

And carrion-consuming-vulturism

It is the perfect analogy for politicians, on this topic mostly from the left. On others it applies to all of them. May they all be consumed by vultures as soon as they turn hypocritical. For ex. when they give up their armed protection, I’ll begin to listen to them.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Now I’m confused…

… I thought “the movie” was the cause for violence?

Seven Percent Solution on December 17, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Obama’s looking for new revenue, how about a 40% tax on the revenue networks receive while talking about these mass shootings.

agmartin on December 17, 2012 at 4:30 PM

The Republicans control the House and no gun bill will pass without their approval… The renewal of the assault weapon ban is not going to pass the House not only because it will be opposed by Republicans but many democrats will also oppose it… So the issue is dead on arrival…

mnjg on December 17, 2012 at 4:30 PM

As usual, ABC shows their ignorance. Ban high-capacity ammunition clips? Clips hold ammunition prior to loading it into a MAGAZINE. Real in depth journalism there.

“It’s a complex problem that will require a complex solution.”

When has our federal government shown any ability to address complex problems with meaningful solutions? Although I am sure they can come up with a “complex meaningless” solution that will punish the innocent for the acts of mad men.

djtnt on December 17, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Not to mention the fact that people seem to think it take 5mins to load a new magazine in a gun.

nextgen_repub on December 17, 2012 at 4:27 PM

loughner was tackled while reloading his gun.

idiot.

sesquipedalian on December 17, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Jay Carney: Gun control is part of the solution but far from all of it

Jay “Baghdad Bob” Carney and his Marxist ba$tard Boss can go right straight to he11.

On the tragic loss of 20 innocent children.

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 4:32 PM

The only question I have is, While Obama was in Newtown telling the people about the need of gun control, how many Secret Service members were standing there with loaded weapons guarding him? Then you take the media’s depiction of the Secret Service’s not being reliable due to acts of drinking and whoring around, should they be armed. It seems that we, with the help of the government have produce about five generations of idiots.

savage24 on December 17, 2012 at 4:33 PM

In other words, we’ve got a bunch of low information morons out there and the Dems are hoping to capitalize on their ignorance. The GOP would be wise to not play along as their base is likely far more knowledgeable about guns and will punish them at the ballot box for trashing the 2nd amendment.

Doughboy on December 17, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Not just low information – they tend to make decisions based mainly on emotion, and right now emotions are running high. Given time to really think about it, the more reasonable people will figure out that gun control really doesn’t work. And eventually the poll numbers for those who right now think gun control is the answer will go down.

dentarthurdent on December 17, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Can’t wait till Django hits the theatres and some young gangbanger goes out to kill all the white people.

ex Dem from Miami on December 17, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Let’s Have That Conversation About Guns
http://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2012/12/17/lets-have-that-conversation-about-guns-n1468596/page/full/

For once I agree with liberals. It’s high time to have a conversation about guns. Let’s start with the problem that there are far too few guns on our streets.

Wait, we can’t have that conversation. In fact, we’re not supposed to have what people might commonly describe as a “conversation” at all. We’re supposed to shut-up and listen as liberals, barely masking their unseemly delight at the opportunity, try to pin the murder rampage of one degenerate creep on millions of law-abiding Americans who did nothing wrong. The conversation is then supposed to end with us waiving our fundamental right to self-defense.

Because that is what the goal is – a total ban on the private ownership of firearms.

Liberals ask why I need these weapons. The answer is simple. I’m going to be as well-armed or better armed than the threat. Period.

Here’s the fact – bad people are going to have guns. And if you’ve ever smoked a joint, you are disqualified from arguing that prohibition works.

Galt2009 on December 17, 2012 at 4:33 PM

I had to explain to friends/family 4 times this weekend what “semi-automatic” is and what the “assault weapon” ban really was. They had no clue, by the time I explained it to the last friend I’m sure I was dripping with frustration at the lack of knowledge but how that didn’t prevent people from sounding off.

nextgen_repub on December 17, 2012 at 4:27 PM

I got into it recently on Facebook with a very uninformed lefty. Apparently they also don’t realize that an AR-15 is not some large caliber high power rifle. A .223 bullet is only slightly larger than a .22 (although the cartridge is larger and packs more punch than a .22).

The idiot actually said that he does not propose banning “hunting” rifles…. even though most “hunting” rifles are much larger in caliber, and are much deadlier from a greater distance.

You just can’t reason with idiots.

UltimateBob on December 17, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Got the Chicago gangbangers wetting their pants in fear their weaponry may be declared illegal. Chicago shooting body counts will be a good way to measure the success of magazine size restrictions. They maintain a steady rate at present, so a dip should stand out. Call me silly, but, I don’t think mag size and body count are causally related.

a capella on December 17, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Please define “gun control”.

Charlemagne on December 17, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Weaver Stance. It’s comfortable, stable, accurate, and easy to learn.

JeffWeimer on December 17, 2012 at 4:34 PM

loughner was tackled while reloading his gun.

idiot.

sesquipedalian on December 17, 2012 at 4:31 PM

He was tackled when his gun JAMMED!

troll.

nextgen_repub on December 17, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Isn’t it time we marched on the ACLU…?

Seven Percent Solution on December 17, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Now I’m confused…

… I thought “the movie” was the cause for violence?

Seven Percent Solution on December 17, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Ya – didn’t Hellywood just realease a new Brad Pitt movie glorifying mob assassins?

dentarthurdent on December 17, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Translation: We’re not only going to take your guns away, we’re going to take your ammo, too.

UltimateBob on December 17, 2012 at 4:26 PM

They will not even try it… It is a political suicide for them on so many levels… This is a dead issue… Lot and yeling and screaming now because of the emotions still running high… Few months from now very few will be talking about this…

mnjg on December 17, 2012 at 4:35 PM

loughner was tackled while reloading his gun.

idiot.

sesquipedalian on December 17, 2012 at 4:31 PM

So why didn’t anyone tackle Lanza? If your vaunted tackling method isn’t available or convenient what do you propose? Strong language?

And how many shots should a woman get at an attacker before she has to reload and her would-be rapist/murder gets to tackle her?

gwelf on December 17, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Use horrific events to drive public policy?

It’s time we revisited abortion then in light of Hermit Gosnell.

Right lefties?

gwelf on December 17, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Problem is, maybe Fox News, Washington Times and conservative blogs are the only outlets that reported it. Hard to create a national stir about an issue when the press only covers stories that advance liberalism.

The Count on December 17, 2012 at 4:35 PM

loughner was tackled while reloading his gun.

idiot.

sesquipedalian on December 17, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Based on orders from Sarah Palin./s

sentinelrules on December 17, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Correction

Also, after Eduard Kennedy killed a woman with a care car

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 4:36 PM

I don’t like guns. I get really nervous when I see one. However, I really don’t see how banning certain guns helps. Someone who wants to murder is going to find a way to do. I just don’t see how it solves mass murder.

terryannonline on December 17, 2012 at 4:37 PM

it’s not really that complex. The mental illness aspect is overblown, as if only mentally ill people kill, and any sane person won’t kill. To think that is the height of idiocy. Plus, barbarism got its name from somewhere, not random igloo icicle stabbings.

williampeck1958 on December 17, 2012 at 4:37 PM

The left really jumped on this. But, when you point out that you can’t regulate crazy, and that a determined individual would have certainly killed children, they respond that without a firearm, he would not have killed “as many”. So just what is an acceptable body count? Banning the tool only minimizes a body count. Whereas trying to find the root cause can make the issue of a body count a moot point.

Their replies indicate their true intentions – they are not concerned about protecting children; they want to eliminate the Second Amendment. If they were truly concerned about children, even one life would be unacceptable.

Jim M. on December 17, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Judging from the ugliness I see in print and social media, the left hopes to use their “gun control” to track down conservatives and punish them.

petefrt on December 17, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Public officials in some places are either advocating or instituting programs to allow certain staff in schools to be armed, where before they weren’t. The gun-grabbing ghouls don’t seem to have such a firm and sure soapbox built on the bodies of all those lost at Sandy Hook.

Remember a bank robbery some years ago in LA, where the criminals had full-auto AK-47s and heavy-duty body armor? A gazillion cops showed up, and not a one had more than a 9mm handgun. They ran risk of being slaughtered, and needed better firepower. What did the police do?

They ran to a nearby gun store and borrowed semi-auto rifles to better even the odds. The result: Two dead criminals instead of a lot of dead cops. Some police were wounded, but the criminals didn’t live to brag about their exploits in prison. The results would have been the opposite if there wasn’t a shop selling firearms to private citizens.

The ghouls can sensationalize the politics all they want, but they still have their work cut out for them. Further evidence is the success of a gun show in PA yesterday mobbed by potential buyers, and that more guns are going to be in responsible hands at schools to protect children.

That seems the smart thing to do, and a better solution to criminally insane people killing others en masse.

Liam on December 17, 2012 at 4:39 PM

UltimateBob on December 17, 2012 at 4:34 PM

A Remington semiauto 7400 in 30.06 with a dozen loaded 5 round mags in a vest would have wreaked way more havoc in that school. Or a Garand.

a capella on December 17, 2012 at 4:39 PM

savage24 on December 17, 2012 at 4:33 PM

I find it supremely maddening that folks who pontificate behind a screen of armed security have the stones to tell me I don’t need a gun to protect myself.

Or that millions of other gun owners should be punished with the loss of a fundamental right because of the actions of a lunatic.

Galt2009 on December 17, 2012 at 4:39 PM

The Republicans control the House and no gun bill will pass without their approval… The renewal of the assault weapon ban is not going to pass the House not only because it will be opposed by Republicans but many democrats will also oppose it… So the issue is dead on arrival…

mnjg on December 17, 2012 at 4:30 PM

I seem to remmeber Bo(eh)ner promising there wouldn’t be tax-rate increases, yet he’s now offering a 50% top rate on at least millionaires.

Steve Eggleston on December 17, 2012 at 4:40 PM

How many people died from this as opposed to say … the Obama administration running guns to Mexican cartels? Maybe we need to do something about that first?

besser tot als rot on December 17, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Add to that–how many will die from Obamacare death panels? or bcuz the ambulance had to drive 20 miles further to the nearest hospital? or bcuz they didn’t get a doctor’s appointment in time? or get an operation in time? or couldn’t get the life-saving drugs? But none of that will be considered senseless death or massacre.

stukinIL4now on December 17, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Today………your guns.

Tomorrow……………a train trip to be re-educated.

Look at history.

PappyD61 on December 17, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Courtesy of RWM

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 4:41 PM

Adults overwhelmingly oppose a total ban on guns but they marginally support a ban on semiautomatics, even though semiautomatics make up the vast, vast majority of guns. Per Tim Carney’s post this morning, talking about “semiautomatic weapons” is like talking about “gasoline cars.” That’s how common they are. If the public opposes those and yet also opposes a blanket prohibition on guns, it’s likely because some chunk of them is confused about what a “semiautomatic” actually is and does

I had this exact conversation with a friend of mine. She said she was all for people having guns to defend themselves, but not semi-automatic guns.

I found that odd because her husband owns 3 pistols that I know for a fact are semi-automatic.

So I asked her if she was saying they were going to sell their pistols and buy new ones that were revolvers and she was dumbfounded by why I would ask such a question.

When I explained to her that the pistols she and her husband own are semi-automatic, she was like, oh yeah, I was wrong, I meant those assault weapons.

I didn’t have the energy at that point to get into the whole conversation of asking her to tell me what she thought an “assault weapon” was.

ButterflyDragon on December 17, 2012 at 4:41 PM

they are not concerned about protecting children; they want to eliminate the Second Amendment. If they were truly concerned about children, even one life would be unacceptable.

Jim M. on December 17, 2012 at 4:38 PM

54+ million American children murdered by abortion since Roe v Wade, no, the left doesn’t give a damned about Children.

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 4:41 PM

Boehner s/b removed from his ‘leadership’ position.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 4:41 PM

Obama is for fully grown children starving to death, left in rooms/closets.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 4:42 PM

Obama is a cool salesman.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 4:43 PM

“Please,” the Left chants to its collective self, “please, another shooting massacre soon to close the deal.”

rrpjr on December 17, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Folks, sorry to go all off-topic and all but could you please refrain from quoting the Obama supporter when responding to her.

We can all guess that what she wrote was as “brilliant” as most prose from the low-information-left, but you don’t have to feed it by repeating it’s little diddies.

Galt2009 on December 17, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Naturally, Obama and his mouthpiece, Carney, are lost in a thick fog without a compass or a map. They are completely incapable of attacking the real problems confronting this country such as the brutal, mindless acts of a few murdering crazies. Instead they attack an inanimate object . . . the gun.

rplat on December 17, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Also, after Eduard Kennedy killed a woman with a care, none of the leftist tyrannical hyenas asked for banning cars.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2012 at 4:26 PM

They didn’t ask for banning drunken womanizing senators from Massachusetts or anywhere else, either.

stukinIL4now on December 17, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Per Tim Carney’s post this morning, talking about “semiautomatic weapons” is like talking about “gasoline cars.”

Can I also just say that I love that analogy, makes perfect sense and immediately puts it into perspective for most people.

nextgen_repub on December 17, 2012 at 4:45 PM

I posted this on a thread last night. I am still wondering what country I live in.

I live in rural Iowa. On a very good night, a sheriffs deputy is 10 or 15 minutes away from my 911 call. I possess several handguns, (retired law enforcement) several shotguns, several rifles, and an M4. Many of my weapons are semi autos. I use the M4 for coyote hunting, and I keep a couple of 30 rounders in the safe for the possibility of human varmints. I hope I never need them. I usually carry a 1911 when I’m out and about. I hope I never need it also. My question, who is the mayor of New York to tell me how to live my life? What business does a Congress woman from California have trying to remove my rights as an American citizen, without a repeal of the 2nd amendment? Can someone help me understand this?

kam582 on December 17, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Today………your guns.

Tomorrow……………a train trip to be re-educated.

Look at history.

PappyD61 on December 17, 2012 at 4:40 PM

And how are they going to do this?… I know that the left are evil and stupid but they are not that stupid to commit suicide…

mnjg on December 17, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Today………your guns.

Tomorrow……………a train trip to be re-educated.

Look at history.

PappyD61 on December 17, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Innocents Betrayed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAU9AJfttls&feature=player_detailpage

Around 58 minutes long, but well worth watching – a detailed examination of what has happened in the past after leftist oppressive governments have instituted gun registration followed by confiscation and the inevitable murder of unarmed peoples.

Galt2009 on December 17, 2012 at 4:46 PM

54+ million American children murdered by abortion since Roe v Wade, no, the left doesn’t give a damned about Children.

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 4:41 PM

It doesn’t give a damn about life, period. It’s an ideology of death — economic, spiritual, moral and physical.

rrpjr on December 17, 2012 at 4:46 PM

I am all for Gun Control.
It is essential to a tight grouping.

Jocundus on December 17, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Not just low information – they tend to make decisions based mainly on emotion, and right now emotions are running high. Given time to really think about it, the more reasonable people will figure out that gun control really doesn’t work. And eventually the poll numbers for those who right now think gun control is the answer will go down.

dentarthurdent on December 17, 2012 at 4:33 PM

And making decisions based on emotion is one of the worst things you can do, especially when it involves something of this magnitude. People need to take a moment, mourn the dead, have a national discussion if they wish(a real dialogue, not a one-sided conversation from the left), and then proceed in a calm, rational manner.

Sadly, the odds of that happening with the Democrat/media complex are slim to none. It’s clear they want to use this tragedy to push their agenda.

Doughboy on December 17, 2012 at 4:47 PM

PappyD61 on December 17, 2012 at 4:40 PM

And how are they going to do this?… I know that the left are evil and stupid but they are not that stupid to commit suicide…

mnjg on December 17, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Are you willing to bet your life on that.

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 4:47 PM

He was tackled when his gun JAMMED!

troll.

nextgen_repub on December 17, 2012 at 4:35 PM

No. He was reloading.

ButterflyDragon on December 17, 2012 at 4:48 PM

If the public opposes those and yet also opposes a blanket prohibition on guns, it’s likely because some chunk of them is confused about what a “semiautomatic” actually is and does. Which is another way of saying that when you read opinion polls on this topic, take the results with a grain or two of salt.

Wouldn’t it be great if we had some body of government that we paid to research these issues and make intelligent and informed choices about what new legislation would actually improve our safety?

Call me a dreamer.

Socratease on December 17, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Carney states that a ban on assault guns is “part of the problem”. It’s the other part, mental health, that they don’t want to deal with. Concealed weapon laws are being passed today as we speak (Michigan). A friend of mine said an armed security guard was stationed at her child’s school today.

Let the politicians put out all the statements they want, but we are going to protect our kids. Right now, it’s important that the students and teachers FEEL safe. This is the pressure we need to put on our local politicians right now.

lea on December 17, 2012 at 4:48 PM

If republicans are interested in not losing the house, then need to come to the table on this. A large swath of policy needs to be done. If, in any way, they look like they are trying to keep these weapons on the market, kiss the house goodbye. It will be played just like they are protecting the wealthy.

rubberneck on December 17, 2012 at 4:49 PM

It’s likely because some chunk of them is confused about what a “semiautomatic” actually is and does.

I really wish people understood the difference. Especially the media. All guns are semiautomatic – ALL! Congressmen need to point out the difference between automatic and semiautomatic weapons when they are interviewed. The poll just shows you how the populace has no idea about firearms, except what they hear from the biased media.

If our nation forgets why our forefathers put the Second Amendment into the constitution, then we are doomed to repeat it. The reason it doesn’t specify any types of weapons is because they knew that later on weapons would change. And we already ‘control’ guns as it is. If people really think that we don’t, they are stuck on stupid.

Patriot Vet on December 17, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Sadly, the odds of that happening with the Democrat/media complex are slim to none. It’s clear they want to use this tragedy to push their agenda.

Doughboy on December 17, 2012 at 4:47 PM

That is absolutely the problem we face. The libs WANT to make decisions based on emotion, and they never want actual facts considered in that process.

dentarthurdent on December 17, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Remember when the press was telling us we were all crazy for thinking Obama was going to push for new gun control measures?

That was, what, all of four weeks ago?

Socratease on December 17, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Kira Davis has the response to anyone suggesting a gun ban.

ButterflyDragon on December 17, 2012 at 4:50 PM

It will be played just like they are protecting the wealthy.

rubberneck on December 17, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Yup and we kept the House.

sentinelrules on December 17, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Are you willing to bet your life on that.

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Yes, I am… Tell me which army are they going to send to take the guns away from the 80 million gun owners who own 250 million guns… Is it the US military that vote 70% Republicans including 90% of the officer staff?… Let us not get paranoid here on the gun issue… We need to worry about things that the left wing socialists can actually accomplish such as the further implementation of destructive socialism and the expansion of the Welfare State…

mnjg on December 17, 2012 at 4:52 PM

I posted this on a thread last night. I am still wondering what country I live in.

I live in rural Iowa. On a very good night, a sheriffs deputy is 10 or 15 minutes away from my 911 call. I possess several handguns, (retired law enforcement) several shotguns, several rifles, and an M4. Many of my weapons are semi autos. I use the M4 for coyote hunting, and I keep a couple of 30 rounders in the safe for the possibility of human varmints. I hope I never need them. I usually carry a 1911 when I’m out and about. I hope I never need it also. My question, who is the mayor of New York to tell me how to live my life? What business does a Congress woman from California have trying to remove my rights as an American citizen, without a repeal of the 2nd amendment? Can someone help me understand this?

kam582 on December 17, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Because they know better than you – they are smarter and know that you don’t need those guns.

[They say this behind a cordon of armed personal]

Besides, you had too well for so long, it’s about time you learn how it is to be a victim, and how are they going to point a gun to you head and take your property to redistribute if you can defend yourself?

/sarc. [just in case]

Galt2009 on December 17, 2012 at 4:52 PM

If republicans are interested in not losing the house, then need to come to the table on this. A large swath of policy needs to be done. If, in any way, they look like they are trying to keep these weapons on the market, kiss the house goodbye. It will be played just like they are protecting the wealthy.

rubberneck on December 17, 2012 at 4:49 PM

If the Republicans want to lose the House then they should implement more gun restrictions…

mnjg on December 17, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Discovery hit ‘American Guns’ canceled as Hollywood wrestles with links to gun violence

- And so it begins……..

mechkiller_k on December 17, 2012 at 4:55 PM

When it comes to guns and violence, the right throws up its hands and says nothing can be done. I guess dead kindergartners are the price we all pay for your freedom to own a weapon of mass destruction. Hope you can sleep at night.

lostmotherland on December 17, 2012 at 4:55 PM

If republicans are interested in not losing the house, then need to come to the table on this. A large swath of policy needs to be done. If, in any way, they look like they are trying to keep these weapons on the market, kiss the house goodbye. It will be played just like they are protecting the wealthy.

rubberneck on December 17, 2012 at 4:49 PM

If the Republicans want to lose the House then they should implement more gun restrictions… And which weapons are you talking about that they need to keep off the market?

mnjg on December 17, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Yes, I am… Tell me which army are they going to send to take the guns away from the 80 million gun owners who own 250 million guns…

mnjg on December 17, 2012 at 4:52 PM

The federal, state and local police. Think not? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tta1qhQZWSE

SWalker on December 17, 2012 at 4:57 PM

I really wish people understood the difference. Especially the media. All guns are semiautomatic

dentarthurdent on December 17, 2012 at 4:57 PM

My question, who is the mayor of New York to tell me how to live my life? What business does a Congress woman from California have trying to remove my rights as an American citizen, without a repeal of the 2nd amendment? Can someone help me understand this?

Sorry, but the threat to public safety of widespread access to “semi autos” is too great. Maybe you can make do with an old fashioned 22. How many guns do you need?

lostmotherland on December 17, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Dead children make really good stepping stones on the path to banning guns – obama and his cabal will stop at nothing to achieve their goal of disarming America.

Pork-Chop on December 17, 2012 at 4:58 PM

When it comes to guns and violence, the right throws up its hands and says nothing can be done. I guess dead kindergartners are the price we all pay for your freedom to own a weapon of mass destruction. Hope you can sleep at night.

lostmotherland on December 17, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Every single word you just said is a lie and an absolute proof that your IQ is less than 90… The most violent cities in America are totally controlled by liberals and inhabited by the voters who vote democrat… So the culture of violence is among democrat voters…

mnjg on December 17, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Sorry, but the threat to public safety of widespread access to “semi autos” is too great. Maybe you can make do with an old fashioned 22. How many guns do you need?

lostmotherland on December 17, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Be a good buddhist and self immolate for the cause.

tom daschle concerned on December 17, 2012 at 4:59 PM

When it comes to guns and violence, the right throws up its hands and says nothing can be done. I guess dead kindergartners are the price we all pay for your freedom to own a weapon of mass destruction. Hope you can sleep at night.

lostmotherland on December 17, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Everything you tyrants propose must be forced upon the population with laws under penalty of fine, jail or both.

Everything.

You people and your sick ideology have killed millions with your “good intentions”.

Get lost … go play with your Stalin doll.

darwin on December 17, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Hope you can sleep at night.

lostmotherland on December 17, 2012 at 4:55 PM

I can’t. There are more Muslims than ever after 9/11. Expect more death and destruction.

sentinelrules on December 17, 2012 at 4:59 PM

So the culture of violence is among democrat voters…

Actually not.

lostmotherland on December 17, 2012 at 5:00 PM

lostmotherland on December 17, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Mass killers and assassins are almost always either leftists or nuts. Oh … sorry, I repeated myself there.

darwin on December 17, 2012 at 5:02 PM

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